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ariesbull:
Kue and kwe aren't the same thing and there is nothing like kue in benin that I know ....so stop these lies ...it's not helping your case...what is meaning of Kue if there is anything like that in your Benin

ariesbull:
Kue and kwe aren't the same thing and there is nothing like kue in benin that I know ....so stop these lies ...it's not helping your case...what is meaning of Kue if there is anything like that in your Benin

steveosaz:
Their speaking the same language is a very recent thing. It was because of their enslavement by the Oyo empire. The popular Yoruba language today is the one from Oyo. The other groups like the Ekitis Egbas, Ijebus, Awori, Ondo all have various dialects. In fact, many of the dialects of Ondo state today speak languages that are not intelligible to people from Oyo or Ibadan.

So many of the people of Akoko area of Ondo state have ancestral links to Edo, but Yoruba are gradually rewriting those peoples history. Even Idoani that is still very much Edo till today, Yoruba are rewriting their history. What a dubious lot.

ChiefAzubuike1:
I've been living in the USA for the past 7 years. I still come to naija every year during the festive seasons.

Fact is Nigeria is not that bad. Only that Nigerian citizens are very greedy and are never satisfied. If you go to countries like Zimbabwe, Uganda, Tanzania, Bangladesh, India, phillipines , the favelas of brazil etc , you'll see people living in squalor and abject poverty. So why complain when you're in a better situation? You complain of boko haram its worse with the Isis and Taliban of Pakistan and Afghanistan. You complain of kidnapping its worse with the pirates and marauders of somalia. You complain of poor electricity it's worse in countries like Senegal and Mozambique. You complain of crime its worse in countries like south Africa.
Una wahala too much infact wetin una want sef.

Instead of you to think of ways to develop your country you're here complaining . The same complain you dey complain for 1975 na still the same complaint in 2018. No new complaint other than bad governance , light,water , no money etc.
Your government have tried their best. They can't kill themselves. Not even Buhari. At least you go pity his old age.

steveosaz:
Guy, we've told these dicks here repeatedly that for the purpose of truth, Yoruba has no history. What they describe as history is just pure conjurings, historical manufacturing and then assimilation.

They don't know the difference between myth and history as clearly demonstrated by that dumb imp called Moneywomen17. They simply just did addition and subtraction to the mythical accounts of various groups and then called it history. This is the reason why there are several ridiculous accounts of Oduduwa's origin and some even saying there are 5 Sangos.

BabaRamota1980:
Aah ah, where Edo still dey around and on top witchery, dark spell, otumokpo and conjure....

Mmmmtchhhheew, ignore BabaRamota abeg.

Na we get evil!

davidnazee:
The Yorubas claim to be the biggest tribe and claim to be brave but yet through out their history they cannot boast of any hero that stood out.. When African heroes are being celebrated you don't hear of any Yoruba person because they were spineless and cowardly.
Ogedengbe was just an ordinary cowardly bandit that raided farm settlements at Benin Northern border.. When message reach him that Benin army was advancing on his position he quickly fled.. If he had waited his head and the heads of his fellow Yoruba bandits would have decorated our palace.

BabaRamota1980:
See who is talking of ritualists. You want make we open your can of worms? Even your Oba admit your witchery is endemic. All your oloshos that were made to swear oath and eat human part before embarking on Libyan trip.

Isnt that why he brought that 800yr otumokpo out?

No go there abeg. Cover yourself from public discovery

Im glad you got sense and realized Bini was the kingdom, Edo is nothing but slaves. Good job correcting your error!

davidnazee:
Even the British soldiers that fought the war confessed they only won due to their superior weapons. They were shocked at the ferocity of the benin attack. Benin beat them at Sakponba and Ughoton..
Details of the war is available online, the Yorubas read it but out of jealousy they will twist it saying Benin was weak, we fought with bows and arrows lol.
Yoruba never stood a chance against Benin. Benin conquered all of Eastern Yoruba land.

steveosaz:
You are irretrievably dumb! Ekaladerhan(Oduduwa) was a priest and herbal expert at Ife. Oramiyan his son, fathered Eweka. The slave son of the slave woman who served under Oduduwa was the one who became ooni. Stop making a fool of yourself with your paraplegic comprehension. Read it written by a Yoruba man like yourself.

Obalufon:
Yoruba introduced beads making to edo ..Beads making is from yoruba land ile-ife to be specific the culture is from is from ile-ife is not Benin okay Mr man. seeing Olo owo adorned himself in beads doesn't make him from edo or influenced by edo you can see his breeches is adorned with beads not skirt like the edos and his faced is covered with beads ..All the ivory carving in your kingdom were done my owo craft men...""iyun ""beads making is family lineage in yoruba land...Adorning oneself with beads symbolize royalty in yoruba land is part of culture of ile-ife ..is an archaic way of dressing and its ceremonial.. ..Red Coral beads that is peculiar to the Benin were brought by the Portuguese ...

Moneywomen17:
trash trash I don see new one. I don dey wait for ur dumbass reply but I never knew it will be this dumb before I give u a befitting reply why not tell the other made up story u have about sango or as u call it isango and please tell us ur “son” that u mentioned that spread it across Yoruba land

Moneywomen17:
Gregyboy when u are done finding another lie to make up tell me 1. Who is ur “son” that spread religion in Yoruba land. 2. Who is sango or as u just call it isango and Ogun to Benin that makes it their deity but before u answer that also google what deity means and know that u have to deify someone to be a deity. Then 3rd make I butcher u for everybody to see how a shameless liar in greg claim in our very eyes that Ogun and sango or as u call it Isango is Benin deity. BabaRamota1980 Wetin Benin no go claim now first they say oduduwa na their lost prime now Ogun and sango na Benin gods wey they borrow Yoruba u now serve why we must not remain silent on any issue and leave people to their foolishness any longer but instead knock sense into their head.

Moneywomen17:
about the oduduwa origin read my replies to osaz I already gave him a fitting reply and the rest well trash will is not dignify of a response from me.

Moneywomen17:
lol why not say igango or orobilla another elkhadaren in the making dumbass I assume yeye osun too is also iye osu stop lying dumbass u think u are talking to toddler here Babaramota1980 olu317 come and see ooo apparently sango who reigned in oyo and was deified after same as ogun the god of war is now a Benin deity what won’t I see finish on nairaland

Moneywomen17:
again who is the ur “son” who spread this worship across Yoruba land

Moneywomen17:
e pain u well. I know edo are dumb but there is different between myth and true story. Oduduwa descending from the sky is a myth if u doubt me find where the story is said where it’s not included it’s a myth. Second ur brother gegyboy is right and honest edo yoruba has been hammering ur thick skull all what u consider as truth like the @500 year rule” and unbiased reader like ur brother Greg can see it’s only truth to u. The eastern yoruba particularly the ekiti lead by ogedengbe wire edo no be small. Greg comment should serve as a reminder u are only winning in ur own mind not what this thread portrays. Ps since the beginning of this thread when people were arguing with fact u have been throwing personal attack at yoruba “slave, weaklings” were so many of the words use by ur king we only replied u

Moneywomen17:
another trash doesn’t make sense at all. When oramiyan came to Benin didn’t he bring Yoruba from ife with and one such Yoruba is chief Oloton u know the chief of the royal ancestral shrine in Benin. Now answer my question what religion did u pass to us. I cite clear example of sango and Ogun which are Yoruba dirty worship in Yoruba land so name one Benin deity worship in Yoruba land and stop writing long story.

Moneywomen17:
ur logic will make sense about Benin not finding king in ondo and ekiti instead of ife if not that almost all the king in the said ekiti and ondo trace their own kingship to ife themselves. All Yoruba king are elected by what u call king maker (afobaje) it’s by ancestry not hereditary.

Moneywomen17:
shut up there what Benin religion is practices in Yoruba land none. But in Benin u worship sango a well know yoruba god u worship ogun and so many other Yoruba deity that’s someone giving u religion.

Moneywomen17:
omo Benin lasan lasan talk true are u still worshipping the many gods like sango ogun and osun that we impose on u hmm

MetaPhysical:
Benin did not settle in Lagos untill 1600s. Lagos was never part of Benin. Benin had a throne in Lagos to protect against invasions from Dahomey.

Benin did not fight the owners of Lagos, they were invited to secure their farms and lands against invasions from Dahomey. If the original invitation to Oyo had been honored Oyo would be the throne, not Benin.

prolog2:
Eshan are Edo, don't help the ennemy to devide your house.
The Oba of Benin is the king of the entire Benin Kingdom, not just its capital Benin City.
A guy being Edo doesn't make him necessarily right.

BabaRamota1980:
In American homeland all decesead soldiers are buried in the homeland. In American bases outside the homeland all deceased soldiers are transported back to the homeland soil for burial. You understand that?

Use this to process your logic on why descendants of Oranmiyan were taken back to their homeland for burial but his brothers sitting on dynasties in the homeland do not have to be transported anywhere.

Y0ruba:
Here you go:

As written by an Edo Historian.

Please make sure your rebuttal is in reference to a scholarly document. Else you need not respond to me at all in order to avoid a waste of both of our time.

Moneywomen17:
shut up there dumbass u think everybody is a fool like u. Ooni statue was in ur king palace coz ur king was probably worshipping it and no way implies any Benin superiority rather ife superiority over Benin so ur king and his subject knows who the boss his. And don’t deceive urself Benin worship Yoruba god like Sango ogun not the other way round. Ife made Benin and name that’s making someone ur son. Ile ife land of expansion has became a Benin word lol well welcome back dumbass greg

Moneywomen17:
my guy shut up there is no ife head in Benin or what are u talking about. What was dug up in benin palace is an artwork of the ooni not his actual head dumbass. But the actual head of ur king is buried in ife and why will it be dug our. The ooni point out very well to ur oba where they were buried when he visit ife. How far is Lagos to Benin and the awori went to Benin to ask for a king so did the Benin come to ife lying down begging for a king before oduduwa had mercy and sent one of son like how God sent one of his begotten son to the world. When oranmiyan got there saw what kind of people u are and saw that his Yoruba way does not tally with the bini way he took a Benin woman smash her had a son that his descendants will continue ruling u till today. Till today u worship almost every Yoruba gods like Shango, Ogun, osun and so many others the same way a conquered people should. Just like African worship their conqueror god Benin also worship Yoruba gods. We don’t any Benin food in eastern Yoruba is Shapa efo riro Benin food do u even know what shapa his. Benin eat our food not us. What Yoruba do u see wearing skirt like Benin we are men for god sake we don’t wear skirt at least for a long long time. Benin is just one of the lost people that ife birthed I know it hurts but accept it and stop crying now to Yoruba master men and respect ur Yoruba ruler in Benin we don dash u.

Moneywomen17:
my guy shut up Benin king head was buried in ife in the orun oba ado not the other way around. A Yoruba man statue was found in ur oba palace coz ur king was worshipping his father. Ur oba is a Yoruba descendant of oramiyan. Even ur oba tell the Portuguese that he owes a spiritual allegiance to ife. Benin came on their knee to ife to beg for king ife never went to Benin. Benin was a small village that could not even stamp his authority anywhere. European gave Yoruba gun not one small Benin who were still fighting primitive with cutlass and infantry. U guys never even had cavalry. Just forget it yoruba was ur boss in the past and still today. In fact Yoruba rule over u so much that u had to cry for the fg to help u create ur own mid western region so that u will not die as yoruba slaves. But u can not escape Yoruba domination u still bear our name worship our gods and even ur omo n oba na Yoruba descendant I know the truth hurts but accept it benin na yoruba boy end of story. Pele se o gbo

BabaRamota1980:
Im not done....im bringing more to share but first, comments on this fabrication....


1. The story of ekaladheran is not told by Omo N'Oba but rather by meanings read into his statement in Ife. So there is no true account of an official statement on ekaladheran. Omo N'Oba made a statement and soon after craftsmen are constructing a story around it.
Answer:
No stories are constructed by the oba ...omo n oba don't lie ..he is a God and whats the use of lies to him...

2. Ekaladheran is son of last Ogiso Ewedo. Records of the list of Ogisos and Obas is kept. Records is kept of Chiefs of Edo. Records is kept of artists of Edo. Record is kept of shrines and deities of Edo. ....but the most important figure in the history of Edo, Prince Ekaladheran had no record until he was discovered in 1982. Yet we are to believe that this guy became King in Ife.
Answers:
No one honnours him in edo he nevered made any remark in edo before leaving lets talk about people who made remark are all documented eg queen idah,queen iden,oba ewuare turned benin into city,adesuwa,oba ogudoduha made the first bank.....izoduwa did nothing he left as a young prince you dont expect benis to make a golden image of him with no impact in edo most of his works was in ife ...which he birthed

3. The fable woven around Ekaladheran exist only in works produced at Edoland. Those who have been in physical contact with Benin have no record of this guy. Why?

Answer's:
And i ask did oduduwa make record in contact of people who came to yoruba lands did the nupes know of him the igalas or the fulanis of the ghanians or dahomey silly thinking of yours

4. The story of Edo will not be complete without witchcraft.

Wicth craft and soccerery in the world had thier place and time all over Europe even in america Christian wiped most of the knowledge out ...benin was the home of sorcery in acient times in nigeria human sacrifices was at his peak you cant say a benin history without it....nor any africa history....

5. A king sent his wife in company of chiefs to go and consult Oracle to see why he was barren?

Hahahahahahaha....


Where is the joke here i dont get ...ure a king you would do anything to please your wives it was never a big deal as the wife checking as the eyes of the oba in a check an balance system this was also done in oyo kingdom where the alafin sends servants to spy on his baaales and report while the wives spy on the servant and report to the alafin this here just show ur ignorance in history not only in world history including yoruba history where you came from

What happend that the powerful Ogiso could not summon the diviner to his palace? Kings kept diviners in palace. Oracle is part of the instrument of rulership and belonged inside the palace. Till this day kings have oracle in the palace for divination.

Lol...judging in your culture would i say your ideology ..they are many chief priest in the kingdoms ..the story never stated that the chief priest was outside the palace or inside .it stated that the oba wife nd the chief went to meet the chief priest it never state the exact location it could be within the palace or outside.....and of course in different african kingdoms even the European kingdoms the king have to leavd his palace to go meet the chief priest either not to cause uneccesry attention in the palace or it was forbiden for the chief priest to come to the palace
Like in benin and other kingdoms around the world

Anyway which kind of king dispatches woman to go and ask an oracle on his behalf....for anything?
Answers:
Alafins wives serves as his eyes in checking the baales who does that to a Queen...

The genesis of the double-cross is the act of rape.

So she was sexually appealing and the potential existed for her to be raped....yet the wise Ogiso did not see all this...but dispatched her with three men to go across town to a diviner.
Answers:
Who dares rapes a king wife are you nut in your thinking ...all the chiefs will be executed at once to the gods . .an account similar to that happened when a man lust to an oba wife in edo he drew her attention to himself with is powers ..and later killed the oba wife ...the story after then was tragic...

Then a woman already condemned by the oracle acted a double cross that won the chiefs to her side against their king. They defected loyalty from king to the woman oracle decreed should be killed.

These chiefs not only broke their oath of allegiance to the throne, they also acted against the oracle's decree to execute the woman.

One begins to wonder what power this woman had over them that made the chiefs substituted their prince for execution in place of her.

Did she actually allow them to sleep with her to buy their conscience?

This Edo story get k-leg!....

Your thinking has k..leg to believe oduduwa fell from sky....


4. The barren Ogiso was now convinced that by killing the one son he has, the heir to the kingdom, he will bear another child.

Eehhhn.

This king needed his head examined.

This is why the oracle and divination is done in palace...so that king will get direct message from the oracle, not through third parties.

Its like someone who already has a property and lived in it with his family but needed more. He sent messenger to ask oracle what to do to own more property. The messenger returned and said burn the property you have now....burn it to ground. This will open opportunity for you to build another one....
Answer :
It has happend in the bible i bet if the Bible wasn't written you would doubt abraham sacrifice of isaac in the bible you would probably say its a lie..



What a dumb person! This is how the story portrays your Ogiso....a dummy!

So did he have another child, after agreeing to kill his son?

Answers:you didnt read the story did you i bet u didnt you should have known ...he didnt so after his death made his chiefs Go in search for his son


In fact after many years and learning the truth he executed the wife and satisfied the decree passed by oracle. Did he have another child?
No he did not! Hence the dispatch to Ife to seek assistance from the race of nation builders.

What a claptrap story. No wonder beside gullible Edo writers no historian from other backgrounds have agreed to write this fiction.

If this was put in Hollywood to be made into movies they will classify it "Works of Fiction" recreated from the imagination of Edo people of Nigeria.


5. So even the executioners were compronised in their duties and allegiance to the king....

7. So this king then gave the order to execute his son. No remorse.

Answers:
Why dogmatic didnt god send his son to die for sinners according to you he should have felt rumores towards it...again didnt god alliw his faithful servant job suffer more worss than a sinner didnt Zeus leave Hercules on earth to face the wraught of His stepmom....

Did he ever ask for his remains so as a prince he could be buried with honors?
Answers:
Sick man that you are....did ekalederan die for honour or punishment....why would you reward a man who you intend to kill for your inability


To this i would conclude by saying edos have an upper hand in realisim to oduduwas history unlike its counterpart Yoruba's in lack of realism ...its is seen that everywhere an edo man steps his leg he enacts a duke in the kingdom starting from ife to kogi to itsekeri etc. it is seen oduduwas describition says he was a man who wore white clothes rounded beed and magical skills just like the typical edo princes... The yorubas will believe on myth rather on realism of the edos due to inferiority complex they call edo brothers but yet when it comes to history they din believe edo birthed them ...what a world