AreaFada2: Hahahaha. Again, the history of the elders from which the first ogiso emerged is out there. Ashanti have said the golden stool didn't come from the sky yet outsiders still claim so.
King Bling Frederick and Ooni in their writings about Oduduwa still do not match. Olugbo even claims seniority to Ooni. Your people here still claim chain from the hill, sky, Egypt, Israel.
Praxis758: That means the Obaship dynasty in Benin is a fiction if Oranmiyan was a fiction.
Simple history tells us that Oranmiyan was the biological father of Eweka, Yoruba: (Owo mi Ka) ............. English: (My Amateur/My Hands Defeat Him).
Christistruth00: Agege and Isheri were busy paying tribute to the Egba in Abeokuta when the British turned up in 1851.
Were you aware of that fact or were you just making up lies as you go along? Lekki is Ijebuland
In fact Agege and all the land between Abeokuta and Ebutte Meta on the Lagos Coast was part of Egbaland it was the British that negotiated the Peace agreement that gave the land from Sango Ota to Ebutte Meta on the back to Awori it was all Egbaland before then . The Egba took it the 1842 Ota War
1842 ota war his a big lie, bros atb1842 Benin still controlled lagos, and even if Lagos had internal struggle but paying tribute to egba is a lie all tribute was going to the oba of lagos, who controlled the entire Lagos
The British took over Lagos in 1850,and they had to take the paramount ruler out, the oba of lagos, The egbas were all undee the oba of lagos rule So a conquer on the oba of lagos is a conquest to all,
Ojo,and the various other Yoruba names you can find in benin are originally yoruba names, picked by benins during pre colnial times when some benin families were assigned to control trade between Europeans and yorubas on behalf of the oba most of these edo families stayed in yoruba territories for centuries and even inter married with Yorubas and their wifes named their children yoruba names, after the fall of the empire by the British in 1897, oba Eweka 11 ascended the throne in 1914, and called back benin missionaries in yoruba lands to return to Benin to help him build back the already destroyed city by the British, thoss families returned with their Yoruba picked names and even some core Yoruba decided to migrate too along with the benins
Some Benin families didnt return i have come across one in uniben before she is from owo
This is an account of a benin person who lived in Yoruba lands before the oba called them back after his ancestion to the throne
TAO11: The video below shows, some African-Americans of Edo ancestry tracing their roots back home to the Edo kingdom of Benin from where their Edo ancestors were originally captured and sold off into slavery.
Yes, African Americans. Yes, the same people whose ancestors found themselves in the Americas via the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. Yes, they trace themselves back home to Benin kingdom.
The highlighted screenshot below (showing the testimony obtained from the Edos themselves by the late Professor R. E. Bradbury during his ethnographic survey of Benin kingdom) is very telling on how their Edo ancestors found their way to the Americas.
Most people don't know that Lagos Island is the only part of Lagos the has historic link with the Benins. They often mistake the minute part of the city for the larger part.
Though areas like Agege, Yaba and Oshodi may bear Benin name, but history tells us that they were mere nomenclature that has no concrete historic tie to their foundings.
No same person will say Ketu, Ikeja, Lekki, Ajah, Epe, Ikorodu, Ojoo, Orile, Badagry, Surulere, Ipaja, Iddo, Ijaye and others belong to Benin.
Simple history tells us that those aforentioned land either belong to the Aworis, Eguns, Egbas, who are all descendants of Yoruba.
No one can erase the historical narration that tells how Ologunkutere fought the Benin's imposition and taxation of the Ekoites in the beginning. It was unfortunate that his wife later betrayed him and he killed her, her relics is what is now OJUOLOBUN market in the present Lagos.
Stop telling lies benin stressed over Lagos
The Benin name for Lagos was eko-name (camp of waters)
Agege is an edo name
Agege is (stare) in benin to look
If lekki area is were the oba of lagos reside his stoil and you claim his influence never got there then you must be a grave lier or a grave ignoranmus
Names like oshodin is a benin royal chief title names
Etin osa local government in lagos, in benin Etinosa1234 means strength of god is a typical benin name i quoted a benin moniker who goes by the name
Anyways, here goes the bit-by-bit comments after every each bit of translation of the French book, from the last line of page 25:
Translation: “Captain Horsely referred to it as Eco, and that is how it was designated by the Ijebus •••”
Comment: (1)(a) The pronoun “it” here (in the context of the passage) obviously does not refer to the modern geographical delineation of present-day Lagos State.
(1)(b) Rather, ”it” here refers to one of the many islands of Lagos — specifically that which is known today as Lagos Island.
(2) The name “Eko” for this island was coined by the Ijebus — and not by the Binis.
Translation: “••• by the Ijebus, but it is not their domain, it is the Benins’ — who refer to it by the name Korame •••“
Comment: (1) This shows that although the name “Eko” was coined by the Ijebus; the Binis have been on that specific location before them.
This statement here says absolutely nothing about your false notion that the Binis are the autochthonous owners of the island (or any part of Lagos).
(2) In fact, this same book already debunks such idea on page 25 where it clearly indicates that, the autochthonous ownership of the island [and beyond] belongs to the Aworis — not the Binis, nor the Ijebus.
(3) In sum then, this statement here (rather than speaking of autochthonous ownership) simply speaks of the relative right of the Ijebus or the Benin’s to the specific land which the Ijebus later came to name and occupy.
(4) The autochthonous ownership of all the land (according to this same book on page 25 and 26) has absolutely nothing to do with the Binis.
Translation: “••• the Benins’ — who refer to it by the name Korame [which is] recognizably the Curamo of the old Portuguese’s accounts, just as Eko represents the Dutch hydrographers’ Ichoo.
Korame and its mainland were linked, in the past, by a sandspit between the great lagoon and the sea. The Ijebus have, however, for a long time seized that sandspit which has also been infiltrated by Ijaw pirates in the East.
Korame thus remained isolated at the end of the great lagoon, and continued to be dependent on Benin for its choice of governor or political leader.”
Comment: (1) The Binis call the island “Korame” based on the old Portuguese word “Curamo” — not the other way round.
(2) The Ijebus who had coined the word ”Eko” for the island also did that (according to this book) based on the old Dutch word “Ichoo”.
(3) [Trade] activities in Lagos appears to attract more people than Ijebu and Benin immigrants. The Ijaws are also noted to have fallen in.
(4) It is noteworthy that the political leadership alluded to here [“governor or political leader”] was for the Binis, by the Binis, among the Binis, confined to the part of the island leftover for the Binis.
This fact was witnessed by a German trader by the name Adreas J. Ulsheimer who in the year 1603 visited the settlement leftover for the Bini immigrants.
He noted that their settlement was on an island [Lagos island]; that it was fenced; that they ran their own affairs within the walls of their settlement, and that there were other bigger settlements on the island.
In other words, their dependence on their King (back in Benin) for the choice of their own leader must not be confused here with some idea of a King of Lagos.
No, the author of this French book chose his words carefully. He wrote “governor or political leader”. There are French words for “King” or “Monarch” if he had intended that.
Moreover, the kingship of Lagos island hadn’t yet begun as at this period. The Lagos island kingship didn’t begin until at the end of the 1600s/early 1700s.
[s]You have been posting this excerpt but it does not counter any fact. The first Benin Oba was Oranmiyan,a Yoruba man.His son was Eweka,the great[/s].
Can you swear you believe on that history
Can you, because the way you lay support to it makes me think you can swear for it
Becareful what you debate, instead go and carryout a thorough research before you start saying rubbish on the net
Your first research should be the validity between the Benin and ife connections go for old European documents
Start researching from 1400 - 1897 when the empire ended if the European ever witnessed a benin-ife relationship
Then research two are all yorubas originally from ife
Remember European documented benin-owo, benin-ijebu, benin-igala, benin-eko relationships . Except the non existed benin-ife which was formed after amalgamation
I am benin, and i guess you're not from ife, so belive it when an indigene is telling his history
TAO11: First of all, the EUrOpEaN author whose name you’re afraid to mention is A. F. C. Ryder.
He never claimed to make any funding. In his words he only suggested an hypothesis.
Having said that: (1) Four years after the hypothesis in the above attachment has been put forward by A. F. C. Ryder; he himself is reported (in a joint publication by Professors Elizabeth Allo Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei) to have abandoned his own hypothesis.
These professors of African history note in their joint work, “A History of Nigeria”, as follows:
“It is noteworthy that Ryder, who questioned the Ife connection and argued the case for the linkages with a northern kingdom, abandoned the line of argument in his later book, Benin and the Europeans.”
Elizabeth A. Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei, “A History of Nigeria”, Longman (1983), Volume 2, p. 137.
(2) Moreover, Adam Knobler on page 47 of his “Mythology and Diplomacy in the Age of Exploration” also cites the same subsequent work of Ryder from 1969 in relation the dynastic dependence of Benin on Ife. See attached for Knobler’s statements and reference.
(3) Furthermore, his 1965 hypothesis (which has yielded no result till date) has been devastatingly debunked by many subsequent research — one of which is by Robin Horton which I have particularly expounded on at the link below.
Babe i know you are obsessed but Elizabeth A. Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei were just trying to sell their books by saying anything to connect the benin and ife theory dont you see
Ryders on the other hand is not, that's why despite public opinion he opined there Benin-ife connections was a lie
You shouldn't forget he is a researcher, he went ahead to get old European document of Benin history from various Europeans he used in his books and transcribed them
And yet if i ask you for the book ryders abandon his views on the Benin-ife myth you will begin to tell me how your parents are incapable to provide you your needslike you did in the screenshot
Leaving ryders opinion out of all these
Bring a European text from 1400 to 1897 acknowledging benin and ife had a connection
Christistruth00: From the Portuguese Ambassador in Abuja who said the Portuguese found the Awori Yoruba Settled in Lagos in 1472 the Bini were nowhere in sight
Ofemannnu: I am not even here to argue with you on your opinion but history has shown that Yorubas especially Ife people founded Benin....Ile Ibinu,which is a Yoruba word for land of annoyance.....because Igodomigodo ruled by Ogisos was a village and long gone. We should not be doing this if the last Oba of Benin has not tried to rewrite history. Yorubas and Binis have always had something in common..
Wtf ogiso(sky kings) nigga please, ogiso is a benin myth, oba has always been ruling Benin
Ogiso never existed they were ancient benin mytg told to make the Royal stool divine
Go and enlighten yourself on my profile if you dont mind
Here is a screenshot from a European author who specialty is on Benin history he is a researcher too, He knows the truth benin-ife was made up during the amalgamation period
orisa37: BENIN IS ODUDUWA LAND. IT'S A REBELLIOUS LAND BY THE GUARDS OF ODUDUWA PRINCESS. SO WHATEVER BELONGS TO BENIN, BELONGS TO ILE-IFE AND ODUDUWA.
Youre high, Benin which Oduduwa land, Oduduwa thst only existed as oracle
nocomment2: Ok, this mentally ill person above doesn't speak a word of french, I speak french fluently. I provided a quote from the book and the book itself in order to let people cross examine it. I provided a caption of where i quoted and I provided the exact page. That is how to do things honnestly contrary to the guy above who keeps supposedly quoting papers which he doesn't provide in any way or form.
I gave a translation and as I already stated the person above gave a false translation, notice that his current translation is not the one he first gave a long time ago. Now his translation has got much closer to mine. SO which one is true mr man ? Your previous translation or the current one which is much closer to my one and only translation ?
TAO11: (1) Four years after the hypothesis in the above attachment has been put forward by A. F. C. Ryder; he himself is reported (in a joint publication by Professors Elizabeth Allo Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei) to have abandoned his own hypothesis.
These professors of African history note in their joint work, “A History of Nigeria”, as follows:
“It is noteworthy that Ryder, who questioned the Ife connection and argued the case for the linkages with a northern kingdom, abandoned the line of argument in his later book, Benin and the Europeans.”
Elizabeth A. Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei, “A History of Nigeria”, Longman (1983), Volume 2, p. 137.
(2) Moreover, Adam Knobler on page 47 of his “Mythology and Diplomacy in the Age of Exploration” also cites the same subsequent work of Ryder from 1969 in relation the dynastic dependence of Benin on Ife. See attached for Knobler’s statements and reference.
(3) Furthermore, his 1965 hypothesis (which has yielded no result till date) has been devastatingly debunked by many subsequent research — one of which is by Robin Horton which I have particularly expounded on at the link below.
Can we see the book were ryder abadon his view on benin ife connections even the lady who assumed Ryder abandoned his views, couldn't even use Ryder knowledge to draw a proper understanding why she believed the Benin and ife connections existed
I dont blame her anyway.... She juat trying to sell her books by all means
Now outside Ryder own views, we can go manual on finding the relationship between ife and Benin if it indeed exist in the past
Can you show me, a European text which date from 1400 to 1897 suggesting Benin and ife had a connection
Or even archeological evidence
nocomment2
I hope you wont insult your parents for being incapable for providing you proper means to get the book
Hangulsaram: What most of us did n’t understand is that the real marriage is the traditional marriage where the parent of the lady gave her out to the man as his wife, wedding is just like committing the marriage into God’s hand. So when one sleeps with a woman in situation like this, you are sleeping with a married woman.
Isokoson1: Bros leave that girl..she dey Bleep dat guy.. For her not to pick your call because she dey with that guy mean say she love the guy more Dan you... Bcause of that little quarrel way happen, she come say she dey loose the love way she get for you.. Bros e dey her mind to leave you...
I go advice you to let her go... E no go easy.. But try... E better make you allow her go than make you marry her she come dey cheat for the marriage
If you be guy... Any girl dey call you bestie Thunder fire you
nocomment2: You need to stop playing into these childish games. There is no such thing as precolonial sitting arangements or colonial sitting arrangements. This is just a photo which prince charles wanted to take with his guests at the british consulate. It doesn't mean anything. Prince charles is not God, nor is his photographer nor is whomever made the sitting display (for the photo)
With all humility no be your Oba of Benin be this ?
When Oba of Benin called the Ooni of Ife his Father he meant it.
This is colonial sitting areangement
Pre colonial sitting arrangement Oba of Benin will be first
Idiot that is not even Colonial siting arrangement in the first place the British elevated alafin of OYo As the head not ooni, ooni was ekevated by awolowo
In colonial sitting arrangement oba of benin would be ahead of alafin of OYo, ooni of ife would not even be sitting in the picture
Eveey historian knows the British never saw ooni as an high class chief he was grouped along with bales until awolowo did his magic after ooni did political puppetry for him
Unclekayfarms: Funny u but the first person to ever be Oba of Benin was a Yoruba man
Stop letting people decieve you i am benin and i can swear with my life the Yoruba history 9f Oduduwa in Benin began aftee d British ended d empire
Can you swear with your life Oduduwa history is true in Benin, that would be d questions remember you are not an ife person before you start judging or swearing with your life you cannot know better than the people that have d history , i am benin and we know the story of Oduduwa in edo is a media attention story and not historical like people think
Ask yourself did European ever see benin-ife relationships over their 400yrs in benin, the answer is no
Read the screenshot it was written by a European Benin history researcher
He is a European who dwells is research on benun history
Culture › Re: Benins Are The Owners Of Ogboni Confraternity and olokun worship by gregyboy(op): 10:36am On Jan 16, 2021
Yes, the same people whose ancestors found themselves in the Americas via the Trans-Atlantic slave trade.