₦airaland Forum

mcquin:
Hello, you'll always have your day in court in the U.S if you are perceived to be in breach of the law.

Post here a case where a U.S citizen is killed because he thereatened the government. No just dey talk for mouth.

If the court and it's position will not be respected, then scrap it. If persons will not be tried, then remove the constitutional safe-guard of "innocent until found guilty by a competent court."

Don't shift grounds bro,let's stick to the point.
The issue you raised initially is that Sowore shouldn't have been arrested. We're not talking about extra-judicial killings by the government or other unrelated breaches of the constitution by the Fg.
The fact is that Sowore was arrested and rearrested on charges bordering on treason and fraud; is that constitutionally right? Yes.
Is he having his day in court? Yes.
If you do the same thing in US,would you be charged? Absolutely yes. And would you have your day in court? Yes,that is,if any of the secret agencies don't eliminate the person before he gets to the court.

mcquin:
Many Nigerians have been arrested on grounds of mere suspicion. It isn't the duty of you and I to investigate crimes of money laundering, it is for the relevant agencies to do that. They have been called to investigate what it was that was being carried. What's the big deal investigating what is being carried in a bullion van on the eve before an election day.

Follow up Trump's impeachment session and see how institutions are patriotic to the country and not president, doing their job regardless of how the president is affected. Note that they investigated and did not wait for the president to come give them details of his 'phwho carronr calls.'

Once again you're getting it all wrong.
In Trump's case that you mentioned, an anonymous whistle blower provided evidence of the details of the phone call Trump made; it was enough to proceed for an investigation.
In Tinubu's scenario, all you have is a bullion van driving into a compound - which is not a crime in the country,is that enough for DSS or EFCC to investigate?
Or are you saying that anybody who is seen with anything big enough to contain money on the eve of an election in Nigeria should be investigated? Where do you see that in any law in Nigeria?
Can you mention any Nigerian that has been arrested in this government on mere suspicion?

mcquin:
Hello, there's no way around both. Stating you'll set up a parallel government is incitive and sufficient enough for an arrest.

Now in both cases you mentioned, Buhari's government will arrest you and allow you give those narratives in court. Jonathan just allowed room for the insults and was truly accommodating. It won't take him anything to arrest Amaechi and Buhari, while they go to court to tell their side of the story.

I think some of these issues are indeed difficult for some people to grasp because we're beginning to go round and round.

If you think the Fg shouldn't have taken any action against Sowore,go to USA and proclaim publicly that you're going to carry out a revolution and remove Trump as the president,and watch as the security agencies in US would give you a resounding applause for a job well done.

Hoephase:
I am really not interested in Nigerian politics but in your opinion don't you think Tinubu matter deserved to be looked into by the FG?

I know you might argue that he is a private citizen but nevertheless a private citizen that is a major influencer on Nigerian politics.

No bro. Tinubu has absolutely no case to answer...Except if you can prove that there was money inside the bullion van. Even at that,you'd have to prove that he broke a law by bringing money into his compound using bullion van.

You see how difficult it is?

lilliesboy:
Another useless and STUPID "BiaFR*UD" propaganda! Go and tell your lies to fools like yourself and BLOODY useless Igbo!

It's either that you're not from Ogbia as you claimed or you're grossly ignorant.
Let me ask you a few questions: what does OKOROMA mean in your language?
What do OGBIA and OTUOKE mean in your language?
Let me not go further than this for now.

mcquin:
I knew someone will come up with this. The base-line is, " are these issues that raise security threats that the government of the day could have deployed state apparatus to nip at the board?"

We have seen the current government doing all within its powers to arrest situations it feels is at variance with its interest including gagging the media. How would the then opposition have felt if the then government made arrest on what the termed "threat to national security," after all the current government (then opposition) has been using same excuse to clamp down on opposition?

You see,the way you use your words and your diction matters a lot in politics.
The person who made the dogs and baboons statement wouldn't have had any case to answer by simply claiming he was referring to animals and not nigerians - as simple as that.
In the 'parallel government' statement, how could you arrest him when you didn't even know who would rig the elections or win the election except if you planned to rig the elections.

That's were Sowore erred.
He didn't just call for revolution; he was emphatic that his intention was to overthrow a sitting government. spot the difference?
You see,that's the difference between an experienced politician and a neophyte.
permit me to digress a bit.
Some people have called for the arrest of Tinubu over the bullion van issue and I have asked: is it against the law for a bullion van to be seen driving into someone's compound?
Do you know what was inside the bullion van?
I cited the above just to elaborate on how people just speak randomly without due course to reasoning.

OP, most of the statements you put up there are either misquoted or taken out of contest.
someone said dogs and baboons would soak in blood if elections were rigged and another said they would form a parallel government if elections were rigged and you dared compare that with someone who openly declared that he was going to overthrow a duly elected government?
A times I wonder how you guys allow sentiments to becloud your reasoning so much.
It's actually pitiable seeing you guys go on and off over something that would have been a simple matter of common sense

ok

Op, I want to assure you that you have wonderful children there. They have the stuff that wonder kids are made of.
I am favored to have a 5 year old niece like that, and I already see her as a blessing to the entire family.
All you need is just patience and a little bit of enforcement.
Enforce the right rules to them and make sure they follow them. Also, don't hesitate to spank them (with love) when necessary.
Those kids would surely make you proud - you can bet on that.

Efewestern, what is the meaning of 'Anibeze' in Isoko language?

deomelllo:
Lagos as the former FC was confined to Lagos Island and doubting Yoruba ownership of Lagos is a reflection of your own ignorance, unless you have a different reason why they are and have been ruling Lagos Island and the rest of Lagos administratively and traditionally.

When the white man landed in Lagos Island, they met and dealt with Yoruba people, they signed treaties with Yoruba Oba and Yoruba people.

The whole of Lagos mainland from Apapa to Ikeja, Ikorodu, Epe and beyond were all part of the Western Region, core Yoruba states.

Ikeja the seat of Government today was part of the western region and Lagos as the industrial capital of Nigeria was created by the Awolowo, the premiere of the western region with the establishment of industrial estates all over the western region from Apapa industrial estate to Ikeja, Matori, Mushin and Ilupeju industrial estates, not by any FG or ibo people.

When Awolowo was doing this in Lagos state as the premiere of the western region, ZIK as the premiere of your village eastern region was incompetent and sitting on his lazy hands doing nothing. This is why your region have zero meaningful industries, this is why you have no jobs and must leave your unproductive towns and villages to look for work and survival in the SW.


Your problem is self-inflicted ignorance and inability to read your history books.

Deomelllo, read again what you wrote in your 5th and 6th paragraphs and tell me if you deserve a response from me.
Going through the first few lines of your post, one would think you had something reasonable to say, only for you to end up displaying your normal obsession on the Igbos and throwing insults about like a common tout.
That, exactly is why Lagos is still in contention today. When Ijaws and Binis say Lagos is theirs, you'd turn around and say Igbos refused to develop their land.

Y0ruba:
Is reading your thing? If yes, please explore googlebooks for the information you need. You may also start by quickly looking through Wikipedia for pointers to where Benin Kingdom extended to in Lagos.

Well, I thought as much. The one opportunity given to you to substantiate your point and you resorted to rhetorics.

Pigsandidiots:
[s][/s]Bla, bla bla. Ijaw ko, anjoro ni. Bini ko, basin ni. They should come out na. Oh, mean they bring claim by jumping over ondo, oyo n ogun to claim lagos? Wait o, no be sam habakus that was telling me there is another place that bound edo n lagos together apart from ogun be this but when asked to bring tje prove of the boundary, ran away hehehe. Ask him to bring out ijaw n bini prove again and see how he will run away.

See why I didn't want to discuss important issues such as the topic with you? You tend to trivialise every thing. Enjoy.

Y0ruba:
I don’t know how else to explain to you.

See, Lagos is not a piece of land. If you can read, look up Lagos state creation in google books, you will find that it was created from merging different pieces of Yoruba land from negotiations with the then Western Region.

Lagos state is as a result of merging lands cut out of Yoruba land.

Several evidences point to the fact that Bini’s ownership is restricted to where Oba Eko’s palace is. I don’t know what makes this hard for you to grasp.

Why are you losing sleep over the ownership of Lagos?

For you to re-allot ownership of Lagos you will not only commit genocide on a large scale, you will have to do a lot of work to disputing CMS records, Colonial Reports and Government Gazettes and numerous other evidences all in the Nigerian and British archives because these are the historical evidences on Yoruba ownership, Mr. Man.

This is becoming a back and forth, but I'll indulge you again.
Can you provide some of the 'several evidences' that prove that Bini’s ownership is only within the Oba's palace?
Maybe this will settle this particular issue for the Binis.

Y0ruba:
Oh, so for Igboland it is a wrong analogy but for Yoruba it is a right analogy.

Who did the Bini tell you they met at Eko? Who did the Bini tell you thy reported to their Oba who sent an army to invade? Who did the Benin tell you gave them the land to settle on? Who did the Portuguese, French and English wrote about to have populated Lagos in the 17th and 18th century and did these Europeans mention Hausa, Igbo and so on?

Igbos are the only group obsessed over Lagos and your obsession over Lagos is a pointer to the fact which the history of your posts prove.

You may want to provide proof Igbos were the first settlers in the East too then?

Ijaws, Binis and others have claimed ownership of Lagos with reasonable historical evidences; why should we now accept Yoruba's claim over theirs? Because of the proximity of Lagos to Yoruba states or because of the daily propaganda from Osun State?
Y0ruba, if you wish to discuss the Igbos, create a thread for it and invite some other Igbo-obsessed people there.

Y0ruba:
What Oba of Lagos is contesting is the land upon which his palace stands. All the parts I listed were added to Lagos when it became a state in 1967. Prior to this, they were not in ‘Lagos’.

Using your logic that since those subgroup migrated and do not own Lagos also means Igbos do not own any piece of land in the East because since they did not grow out of the soil, they must have migrated there.

Wrong analogy.
The point is: can the Yorubas prove that they were the earliest settlers in Lagos?
NO.
By the way, what's with this constant mentioning of Igbos?
I don't seem to get it at all.

Guestlander:
This contention exists only in your fertile imagination.
If you doubt me go to court.

Go to court and do what?
Are Yorubas in Lagos in anyway stopping other ethnic groups from coming to Lagos and living freely just like the Yorubas there?
Yorubas buy lands and rent shops just like every other person in Lagos state; they enter the same public transport and pay for their fare just like others; they pay tuition fees just like anyone in Lagos.
So why should I go to court?

Y0ruba:
1. No one is scared Lagos is slipping out of grip not even when the military occupied it as the FCT. To take Lagos away from Yoruba would mean mass genocide against the the Yoruba states surrounding Lagos and the groups that own the different parts of Lagos such as Ijebu of Epe, Remo/Ijebu of Ikorodu, Egba of Ebutte Metta to Surulere, Awori of Otto to Sango Otta, Ogu of Badagry, Awori of Ketu/Ojota/Ikeja, Ife of Ogudu, Oyo people of Ikoyi, Ijebu of Victoria Island, Awori of Ikate, Iru, Ijora & Apapa, Awori of Ojodu, Yagba people of Oworo to mention a few. You see that will be a lot of genocide for Lagos to slip away, don’t you think so?

2. Maybe the patch of land where Eleko’s palace which is the actual ‘Lagos’ does not belong to Yoruba but other parts such as Ijebu of Epe, Remo/Ijebu of Ikorodu, Egba of Ebutte Metta to Surulere, Awori of Otto to Sango Otta, Ogu of Badagry, Awori of Ketu/Ojota/Ikeja, Ife of Ogudu, Oyo people of Ikoyi, Ijebu of Victoria Island, Awori of Ikate, Iru, Ijora & Apapa, Awori of Ojodu, Yagba people of Oworo and so on belong to core Yoruba folks. How you intend to separate the people from their ancestral land thereby making Lagos a non-Yoruba property is what we would like to know.

All these Yoruba subgroups you mentioned migrated to Lagos just like the Ijaws and binis about the same period, with some other ethnic groups migrating to Lagos even earlier than some of the Yoruba subgroups you mentioned.
How you then insist Lagos is owned solely by the Yorubas is still a mystery and proper history revisionism that is keenly contested by others including the Oba of Lagos himself.
I really don't want to drawn into this argument again as it has been rehearsed on this forum severally.

Guestlander:
Lmao. If Ekiti should become as prosperous as Lagos today, the same straw man argument will be used to tell us while every Nigerian must reside there.

I don't get your point.
Is Lagos the only prosperous state in the country?
Then why is Lagos State the point of contention here?
This is what you should be considering.

MrNigeria2018:
Rubbish as usual

You better commit suicide now cos that law has come to stay for life

Have you ever seen a Yoruba governor overturned any of their predecessors laws? No

So you are so blind not to see the people in house of assembly and National Assembly

Before now, Yorubas foolishly see Igbos as their brothers until few years ago when your kinsmen begin their hate campaign and no man’s land rhetorics, that was when our liberal Yoruba kinsmen who refused to listen to us realised we are sleeping on dynamite.

Carry on questioning us about our ownership of Lagos state, in retaliation, we ll ensure we enslave your future generation in Yorubaland.

Before, in UK, everybody applied for their residence permit without knowing how to pronounce a single word in English, the foreigners like you in Lagos were taking the language for granted until it was made compulsory requisite to get your residence permit.

Igbos are only alerting us to our responsibilities as Yorubas

I will score you 0.1/100 for this comment.
The .1 is because of the time you spent in typing.
How did you make this totally about the Igbos without addressing salient and factual points I made?
Does it not betray your inherent obsession and complex factor on the Igbos?

I understand the Yorubas are doing all they can to enforce the idea that Lagos belongs to them.
They are infinitely scared Lagos is slipping from their slippery grip.
But the question still remains: does Lagos actually belong to the Yorubas? The answer is a resounding NO.
Ambode is just an impulsive , amateur, elected official of the state, and will still vacate the office just like several others before him.
When he leaves, someone who knows the true worth and history of Lagos State would overturn some of these over zealous policies.
The funny thing is that these policies do not in anyway prevent hundreds of buses from different parts of the country flooding into Lagos on daily basis carrying other ethnic groups.
Also, the fact that Lagos State and not Oyo, Ekiti, Edo or any other state for that matter, is keenly contested, tells alot about the true history of Lagos.
I enjoin all well meaning Nigerians - Yorubas, Ijaws Hausas, etc - to ensure the right government that will bring out the true values and potentials of Lagos State is voted in after the impulsive Ambode.

toodark:
lagos is yoruba area....period...they can speak yoruba if they want in their area....doesnt matter what igbos say...

igbos like to make too much noise...other tribes are not complaining....nobody send igbos....

Are you sure someone didn't curse you people with this obsession on the Igbos?
How the hell did you manage to make this about Igbos?
Tufiakwa!

Lorayne:
my cgpa is kinda low(2.59) after 200l, and its getting me depressed. I don't really know what I'm doing wrong. I read a lot but i still get bad grades and CO's and it's really killing me mentally.
can you help me with any good advice?
have you ever been in my shoes? how did you cope with the depression?

I see that you're not reading the right way.
In Nigerian schools, you have to be smart in your studies.
See what I think you should do:
For each course, make sure you attend all the lectures and do all the assessments or quiz. Then get the study materials (textbooks, handouts etc) for them.
Then when you study, make sure you understand every single detail in any particular course. Not just understanding them, be sure you can reproduce them almost exactly as they are in those materials. That might mean cramming; then by all means, cram them. Infact, I usually encourage Nigerian students to cram.
At the end of the day, what the lecturer will set as his questions would not be very different from what is in those study materials.
On the average, the difference between a First class student and others is just preparation - the level of preparation each put in - whether by cramming or not.

Finally, using the above methods, aim to make an 'A' in each course.
Be smart and wise.
Cheers.

OP,hope you've not forgotten so soon how you guys mocked and insulted the Igbos for supporting GEJ during the election and after Buhari won, eeh?
Have you forgotten how you guys spammed every where screaming 'Sai baba! 'and totally disregarded the complaints of the Igbos against the lopsided appointments of Buhari because you taught his government would favour you very much?
Have you also forgotten how most of your people cheered on the government for killing members of IPOB?
In all these, you forgot one major thing: Igbos are very resilient. They can never be the worst off. If you like vote in Buhari again because of your parochial interest, come to SE and you'll still see boys building more houses and opening up more businesses daily.

shallysgirl:
But he wrote the truth. The former and latter news are same. Umahi is a total disgrace.

Yea, the both news are the same. And I acknowledged that in my earlier comment.
My problem with him is castigating and ridiculing Ebonyians for a decision made by their governor.
That's very wrong, and deserves a good reproach.

NonsoWow:
Umahi is only deceiving himself and his fellow mumus. What is different in this rebuttal? He even affirmed that traditional rulers have been instructed to carve out land away from farms where cows are to graze and to look for more land when the cows are done with the first ones! When I said that these people are fake, incomplete and impure Igbos bent on disgracing the Igbo race, some lowlives labelled me a supremacist. Well, the whole world can now see these abakaliki people for what they are. This nonsense can never happen in Anambra state. We lead, others follow.

You should change your name to Nonsomumu.
I don't think you have a brain in that thing you call a head.
Who the hell are you to decide who's a true Igbo and who's not?

Who's this Philip Nweze character?
Are you the governor's spokesman or who?
You don't just come out and issue statements without identifying yourself.

That said, as far as I'm concerned, I don't see any difference between this statement and the initial one.
The governor must clarify to all if they are mapping out locations for herdsmen or not.
If they are, on what criteria?
This will help the Igbos know the further line of action to take.

Adebowale89:
can you just shut up, how many Yoruba dey east? na only Anambra have few Yoruba, none of east states has Yoruba


and for hating Igbo, God knows I'm a nationalist but I will never acknowledge any region that ridicule my region



you should scroll to other threads and see how your Igbo bro&sis are rubbishing the region that accommodate them when they ranaway frm their region

Your first paragraph shows how dum*b you are.
And maybe I've been chatting with a 12 year old, or perhaps, a very stu*pid person.
Enjoy.