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tiwiex:
You clearly lack the full picture. I was in your position once so I understand. I would point you in some directions and you can do further research.

Firstly, have you ever wondered why Nigerians and other Africans who emigrate to the US do so well? They are all blacks you know.

The American blacks have an oppressed mind set and it has cascaded down generations.

Have you heard of the 13th ammendment? That was the ammendment towards the freedom of slaves. Let me quote it here so you understand.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Take note of the part in bold. I know there was a crime at the time. I can't remember the name. After the abolishing of slavery, they needed workers on plantations. Think of half of Nigeria being farmlands with blocks picking cottons. All of a sudden, they are free. This farms would collapse. The crime simple arrested you if you were jobless or seen in a group doing nothing. Maybe playing cards. You would be arrested and returned back to the farm. Just imagine that paranoia and fear among blacks. Their self esteem and confidence would be completely eroded.

Let's fast forward. In the 1990s, Bill Clinton in collaboration with lobbyists built prisons all over America worth about $30b. The problem was, they did not have that many prisoners to fill it. They conjured a new law called the 3 strike rule. If you are arrested three times for a misdemeanor, you would get a long prison sentence.

It costs about $50k to manage a single prisoner in America. It's and out sourced service to the connected. No prisoner, no 50k.

I just gave a summary of the problem. Some of the crimes black commit are conjured to fill up the prisons. They have no confidence in themselves and according to the 13th ammendment, slavery was not abolished in totality.

Stop thinking they are lazy, commit crime etc out of choice. The system is built that way.

Wow this is insightful.
About the bold part, we can conclude that everyone in prison due to crimes committed is a slave right?

Also worsening it is the 3 strike rule, on paper it doesn't look racist but definitely has racist undertones. But it's a a very stupid rule to enact, especially for misdemeanors.

linearity:
In the UK unlike the US, there is healthcare for all, so everyone have access to take care of their underlying conditions. Blacks in the US only have access to the emergency room and when that happens, it is rather too late.

Also, because income inequality, blacks tend to eat poor quality food; it make absolute sense to buy a bucket of fried chicken that will feed the whole family, than some pounds of broccoli which is more healthier. Years of accumulation of these decisions leads to underlying health condition and with no access to healthcare, they start nursing these condition until a disaster like this happens.

how does the UK healthcare for all system works?

Because here in Nigeria we have nothing absolutely nothing.

Who pays for that in the UK? is it entirely free?

Because healthcare is expensive, really expensive.

IpobAntidote:
If being an antidote to the brainwashed ipob miscreants is considered tribalistic in your warped mind then so be it.
I'm not anti Igbo, in fact to the contrary, I support common sense Igbos not the delusional retarded and brainwashed ones who sees others as their only problem in life.
I have a great and respected Igbo as an in law and we get along beautifully. I patronize Igbo businesses on daily basis and they are mostly great people. I often wonder why does these online miscreants come from because in my dealings with Igbos in face to face situations, they couldn't be more different from these ipob miscreants all over the internet.
So if you are one of thr brainwashed miscreants, then mend your ways, stop seeing everything from tribal and religious prisms. If you continue to do that , then don't complain when you get the same treatment back in return. You can show hate then expect love in return, it doesn't work like that amigo.

Anyone who goes through your profile and posts and knows you record will know all these gibberish you're spewing here is just for the dull ones.

The simple thing you need to know is that; Oga you're too old for the childishness you display on Nairaland.

cococandy:
Nope. You telling me do my research makes me realize you don’t understand the research and reason behind why african American are disproportionately affected by this virus.

Maybe you really need to still take that advice once again.

It's apparent why the virus is killing Blacks in the US, even from this thread alone there's sufficient information to see reasons.

In case you missed it or it's hard for you. In short they're more affected because they're poorer than the whites. Their poverty is a multi-faceted problem. Also subtle racism has a hand in it too.

Summarily declaring it's killing more blacks than whites makes it seem like the virus is racist or it's selecting victims based on their skin colors.
It's just so unfortunate that African Americans find themselves in this situation, too too bad.

cococandy:
Sigh.

Maybe take your own advice? Maybe?

Is this a joke?

cococandy:
He’s saying the truth.

Now is not the time for all these. Fact is it’s killing more blacks than whites.

Fact is it's killing more blacks than whites, now the question you as a smart and educated person should ask is why is it killing more blacks than whites?

That's how some SJW out of no where claim men are paid more than women, they fail to ask why and how really. You'll come to see the facts clearly. But no, most of you will just take things halfway and carry it on without doing even the most minute of research to understand why.

Asking why is a very good way to get enlightened and see things from different perspectives so you can make informed decisions and of course opinions.

fairfora:
I just dey laff these people. Abeg make una no kill people oo. Ventilator isn't same as patient monitor or a medical toy . Its requires a highly complex procedure. Good luck to them on their failed adventure. Our govt is a joker

Na wa oh.. is it that you so hate the FG that you want them to fail or you hate the local automakers that you also want them to fail... Who amongst these two do you hate that much to wish failure on the partnership?


Just pray and hope you or someone you love doesn't find their self in a situation where their survival depends on the ventilators because at that point the failure you wish others might just materialize.

gypsey:
That is what it looks like, can anyone proof any of it? china would say they lost thousands of their citizens too, the argument will go on for years with no end, meanwhile some countries will carry on business as ussual with china. alot of countries depends on chinese products.

If all this things you have mentioned are true? why have the Nigeria government employed the experrtise of some chinese doctors who are in Nigeria as we speak? Nigerian government obviously disagrees with your claims.

I think I made a mistake by engaging you in this conversation.

If you want to know if all I said we true or not, do your own independent research

gypsey:
whatever mate! WHO said alot of things when this virus came out, first they said it isn't a pandemic but eventually they declared a pandemic. They would say they didn't have all the datas about the virus at the time, that the virus is a new virus. simple

you still haven't explained why countries would want to take legal action against china

Well, WHO gave all those misleading information in connivance with the Chinese government.

To think that the world health organization has turned itself to the Chinese government's mouthpiece is bewildering. China that has never been taking seriously with issues like this in the past.

Right from the very first day China lied to the entire world regarding the issue. The lied to the whole world and allowed an estimated 5 million Chinese to travel out thereby spreading the virus.

Investnow2017:
China's public image right now is falling. To think that China will not suffer some consequences..... Why do some think that China cannot be punished for the poor handling of this saga? Let no one overrate them. Some nations are quiet now because their primary focus is to get a handle over the virus for now. China's consequences may not be immediate, but for sure this whole saga has betrayed their ill and aggressive motive for global domination.

It takes more than technology, military might, population to be a global leader like the US. Morality is a major factor which the Chinese lack.

Without a doubt, this saga will redefine international relations in more drastic ways.

Time will tell, and one is wise not to speculate in details.

you're right. It's strange for people to think China won't pay for misleading the world regarding this virus.

Very very bad on their part and it's left a huge dent on their name, not like they've been a role model in that department anyway.

gypsey:
Absolute bullshit! the US are withholding funds from everything, they are considering withholding funds from WHO, yes! still considering.

for what? why? you need to explain why, i can understand some people would like to blame china for the corona virus because the are angry or emotional at this moment but it's all empty threats.

So you've not been following the covid19 issues since.

For one, WHO falsely told the world there's no human to human transmission of the virus. They've been acting as the CCP's lapdog.

I don't know why am even explaining to you. Go read different news from different sources and stop being an arse lick

gypsey:
Absolute bullshit!

for what? why? you need to explain why, i can understand some people would like to blame china for the corona virus because the are angry or emotional at this moment but it's all empty threats.

Japan has begun withdrawing its companies and you say it's empty threats... Imagine nonsense.


Wait till 2 months time and when this is clear and all evidence points that China deliberately held information back as worst as saying there's no human-to-human transmission of the virus. Then you'll get more actions

gypsey:
which countries wants to take legal actions against China? and why? where did you get this lies from?

US is already considering withholding fundings from W.H.O because of its links to China, Japan is withdrawing most of its manufacturing companies in China back to Japan, officials in UK are considering taking actions. Even in China there's discontent with the way Xi and the CCP is handling things even top officials of the CCP are not exactly happy.

If you are ill informed, you try help yourself with the right information

Onyocha:
Can we please have the full video. Let us also hear what the Chinese official had to say in response to the points raised by the consul general. Let's hear both sides. Apparently, it has to do with quarantine. Could it be that some Nigerians arrived China and wanted to escape quarantine and were sheltered by other Nigerians to evade quarantine? There must be an underlying reason. Those Nigerians have lived in China for years according to the CG. So what changed? Let's be reasonable instead of reacting based on sentiments.

you're a joke. Didn't you see the part the Chinese woman denied covid19 started in Wuhan, China?

That alone should tell you what all of their other replies will sound like

ebuk4real:


He better not bark too much before them humble am.

That's what we continue to see & witness until we(beginning from our government) learn to treat those we lead like humans with dignity & respect.

Otherwise, more of this lies await of us until we learn to treat ourselves as human down here.

consul general is basically an Ambassador. If they do anything to any ambassador of any control at all... They'll get the full wrath of every other nation. If you don't know countries are already considering taking legal and serious actions against China. Doing anything to the CG would worsen the perception people have of them.

helinues:
Why are they also travelling to China this period or are they coming from Pluto?

some of you need to learn how to read and most importantly understand

OlujobaSamuel:
Refurbishment is even highly unlikely. It's not partial burnt, the only on that carcass is the metal sheet that is even already weak as a result of the fire. It need to be crushed, melted and used to cast a new template.

exactly!

that's why in my original comment I said they were dead. Nothing is immediately useful there

if doctors are dying who then will attend to those infected?

michlins:
same immunity was there when ngige was kidnapped as a governor and his security details removed. Buhari can deal with Wike in so many ways. How about claiming that for grounding caverton,he stopped movements of critical staff and thereby hampered the workings of the oil and gas industry. And he claims that Port Harcourt will pay for the losses and put a stop on their allocation. The federal government is all powerful in Nigeria

just listen to the bullshi.t you're writing

EVILFOREST:
They will be moved to FACTORIES immediately where remanufacturing will commence immediately.

I doubt. Even if it's true, not as the guy I quoted stated it.
If they'll be 'refurbished' by their respective manufaturers, then we'll expect them to meet every standard not like when that guy said they'd be painted and boom!

richesbhc:
All these cars will be repaired and repainted then shipped down to Nigeria to be solds as Tokunbo

do you even know what you're saying?

Those cars are DEAD!!!

there's no awaking for the dead

juman:
Two hundred million nigerians o.
Big market.

What surprise me is even when nigerian economy was better than this they could not make significant impact to break into the auto market.

its funny when Nigerians mention the population figure as a reason why we have a very big market. Bro we have a big market for some goods. Cars are expensive.

Out of that 200 million, how many can easily afford just 1 million naira?

out of that 200 million over 60% of it are either in poverty or living pay check to pay check, what we call hand to mouth here in Nigeria.

The other ones(say 20%) are just struggling to stay afloat, many can conveniently feed and maintain theit families but can't afford 'the luxury' of owning a car or would have to save for ages to do so. The last 20% are the ones who can afford to buy cars and stuff... that leaves every business such as the auto industry with roughly 40 million people as against your initial 200 million. Note that these figures are rough estimation and very certain the remaining who can conveniently afford a good car are much less than 40 million, infact the last 5 years has drastically reduced the figure.

The 200 million people population count would make sense if we're talking about businesses that sell food items or other commodities, not cars even airlines won't be stupid to do their calculation with 200 million people

FreelanceRebel:
haha but i have been seeing Innoson vehicle around even though am not a fan of his due to his negilent of civil-servant in his service role-out, i still believe he can do it.

An average Nigerian's income is like to that of a civil-servant looking for 400k-500k car

bro no where in the world will you get a new car for 500k, even 1 million naira you can't get.

why do you guys expect his cars to cost that price when Nigeria doesn't produce steel which is one of the most important part of car production.

If you had mentioned 3m to 5m I'd agree but such a ridiculous price, they can't get a car with that money not even a used car sef.

And I do see his cars here in Owerri at least the new innoson caris I do see them a lot even at imo state secretariate

Payper:
Nobody is coercing anyone to donate funds, if you read my post very well I wasn't particular about money, I said "in what capacity" it could be through any means, hand sanitizers, nose masks, food items or provisions, etc.
Now he's made it known that his company can manufacture ventilators but he won't do so unless the government places orders. Did you read Bashir Ahmed's response? If I was not Igbo I would have given the same response too- it wasn't a smart move by Innoson.

You've got to understand that Innoson don't have a lot of good will with Nigerians especially those that are not from the East, what other time but now for his public relations team to capitalize on and build on his Goodwill.
Most businesses that are donating are not doing so solely for charitable reasons, it's a smart move by them to re-iterate the fact that they care about Nigerians even though we know otherwise.

And as for the Allen Onyema of air peace, that single move to evacuate stranded Nigerians from South Africa earned him a lot of good will, even when USA was accusing him, lots of Nigerians took it as a witch Hunt.

I know a Yoruba man here in PH that works for a large accounting firm, he flies every week to different part of the country but for reasons best known to him he never flies Air Peace, but since Allen Onyema did what he did, this Yoruba man has been flying Air Peace- that's Goodwill my brother.

Those items/capacities which you cited he could help with all cost money, you don't pray and they fall from heaven, you either buy them with money or you produce them from raw materials which you have to buy with money.
Now, moving to Innoson, ventilators and Bashir. I'll reinstate my statement once again, everything costs money. Now let's assume he takes a loan and starts manufacturing those and some where somehow they decide not to buy those ventilators for any reason at all, who will pay for the loan? What guarantee do you have other countries will buy from him? See, when starting a new business venture the first thing you must do is market research, you have to be sure you have the market willing to buy what you're producing otherwise you're only gambling. It's simple as that.

Moving to Air Peace, it's a good thing that the patriotic Nigerian who happens to be a Yoruba man switched to Air peace following his good will if not that I don't travel long distance that'll require flying, that deed alone would have made me a lifetime passenger. But my concentration isn't on the exceptions which are usually one in a million; as we know there are always exceptions in every situation but you and I know exceptions are not the rule. Did you really follow up the news about Allen Onyema and the issue he had as well as the responses from people? Even top news paper publishers?

That patriotic Nigerian in Port harcourt is like a drop of water in the Pacific because he's Patriotism didn't really change much with the majority.


Back to Innoson, he should do what he and his team thinks(research and studies) is right for the business not what people(including myself) think.

FreelanceRebel:
This was what I was thinking last night, if Innoson could venture into production of light aircraft, create flight club Nigerians will buy it

Nigerians that haven't bought his cars, how will they buy his planes?

Payper:
Nobody said that he is under any obligation to, others that contributed were they forced?
As a business man, this is an opportunity to build his Goodwill with Nigerians.
Instead he's waiting for the government to place orders before he starts manufacturing ventilators.

Oga what if he doesn't have money to give?

Or you want audio promise from him?

Shey a good percentage of Nigerians despise his cars, meaning very few buy them. So where is he expected to get money from, or he should donate money he's supposed to use pay his staff and run the company abi?

Air Peace that showed the Nigerian people their goodwill we all know how it turned out when he had issues in the US, we know how it ended even with government aids and high ranking profiles concluding instantly that he was guilty, some even asked the company be closed while others asked him to step down.


Finally, don't coerce people into doing what you think is right especially when you didn't contribute to their progress, success or growth. Let them be the decider of that.

Ishilove:
And when in a couple of months everyone gets normalised, some nuthead will use his neighbors as target practice

Are you sure about that?

Before the covid19 issue, there was an estimated 300 million guns in the hands of American civilians.
Why haven't they all used their neighbors as targets?

Erediauwa:
Thinking of traveling all the way to Abuja to get a license pistol....


I really need it.


By the way, what is that little kid doing in a place like that?


This is not right.

Guns are presently illegal in the whole of Nigeria. Before shotguns used to be legal for a certain group.

What's wrong with the little kid being in a gun shop? is a gun shop a criminal hideout? I don't see anything wrong there.


Besides some of those guns are beautiful.

ubunja:
you can't save thirsty simps who are quick to chase after female monikers. Let them be scammed till they get sense.

Edit:
Imagine two idiots have already contacted me on WhatsApp because of that profile pic i stole from Instagram. Smh. Idiots will never learn.

Do people actually look for girls/ladies on Nairaland?

From my point of view it's the most stupid thing... na wa oh.

how much are you willing to pay?

the last payment was sent yesterday, it has recieved several payments.

Plus I have 2 sites attached to it, so you can buy the two sides alongside the account

pryme:
stop spreading your fake opinion as fact.

the opinion sef is not fake, it's just stupid

Paxie55:
Any guy that convinced a lady that he loves her just so he can sleep with her is a rapist.

haaaa!

una don expand rape to even things like this?

What girls that collect money and not show up or do not offer the 'agreed' sex, what are they?


Some of you are too emotional that you lack rationale.