₦airaland Forum

peterphd:
Oga I no hold you o. I'm sure you've never seen me preaching inside bus or shouting with a bomb strapped to my chest. How have I bothered you? With truth typed on a mobile. Nwokem, shift make I see road.

This is 30,000 seat New creation church by Joseph Prince in Singapore - the richest nation on earth. And blacks constitute very small or minute part of that church - if any sef.

why aren't we like Singapore?

Ask your govt na. It was lee who transformed singapore not prince. The point is even Singapore with probably the best economy on earth still has a very devout population in christianity, islam etc. The country did not transform by churches building industries but a selection of leaders who are committed to transformation. And they did it.

Winners chapel toronto

Monrovia Liberia
Freetown Sierraleone
Madina Ghana

Arlington Texas, USA
Dartford UK
Dubai UAE

Winners Chapel members connecting from

1) Tanzania
2)Kinshasa Congo
3)Pretoria South Africa
4) Nairobi Kenya

babeosisi:
Oyedepo is collecting money from you to build an empire for his generations to come
Who are you collecting from to build yours
O God why are my people so foolish?
Wake up

I don't even attend winners chapel baba

6digitscomrade:
shameless defense...159 branches in ghana? For salvation sake or revenue generation? I will not ask u about ur country cuz even the devil is in shock..

Salvation sake.

SpoiltVirgin:
are u in Canaanland? Please be a part of this shiloh. Its my best ever

Yea, was stressed today but i made it to Covenant a shortwhile ago so i would attend for 7. Thanks

Lastly the comment was contextual in response to accusations of Oyedepo receiving kickbacks from govt.
As at when gej built twelve new federal universities at 12 billion naira(1 billlion naira/uni), Oyedepo built Landmark university at 9 billion naira and invested 21 billion naira over the next three years and he said after that "spending continues". Many people in omuaran built personal houses from the landmark project which currently educates just 3,000 students. The money he spent on landmark cannot be realistically realised back in 30 years. Not one offering was raised for landmark in church.

Even Otedola doesn't have the number of staff oyedepo does yet we keep shouting "capital of poverty" everywhere when reference is made to church wealth.

This year he(oyedepo) started two new universities at the same freaking time while still building a 500 billion naira city and then procuring a new private jet(after selling off old ones). And then earmarking thousands of acres of land for a private airstrip in ota.
Does that look like someone that is broke or can be bribed. The money that would entice oyedepo must be a very significant govt loot.

Yet as wealthy as he is(or his church is), he lives in a very modest house, rides simple vehicles and is very free to mingle with. I love the man tremendously....

They keep shouting world capital of poverty. Ignorant mofos.

Winners is in 65 nations of the Earth. It has the largest single building church in Eastern and Central Africa. It has churches in several American cities, UAE, Qatar(it has in poor countries too) Infact Nigeria is just the admin base of the church.

At last count the church has over 159 branches in Ghana.

Therefore the church collects revenue in dollars, pounds, diram, naira, cfa, rands, cedi etc so i begin to wonder why a functionally educated person would correllate Winners wealth with Nigeria's poverty. Churches that are cross national are usually very wealthy.... No big deal

Great news!

So they were on strike, never knew.

lilmax:
nonsense, they should come to unn and make that first class

isn't this what oau dumbasses would say if it was another school?

Haba 182 out of 13,000 graduates! Infact UNN has a higher pass rate than OAU.

Ok while it is ok to solicit for funds from members and well wishers alike, it is completely wrong to armtwist people to give such offerings.

As Hagins said, in the matters of finance(in the church) there is a thin line between the permissible and the objectionable.

Your role as a priest/pastor is to encourage people to give in line with sound scriptural backings and not mocking or denigrating a visitor for not making a pledge.

I advise every pastor to read Kenneth E. Hagin's Midas Touch: A biblical perspective to financial prosperity

Baawaa:
Go and sit down,you said more than this in 2015

Ok so let Nigeria not be delivered abi We would see who would suffer the consequences of a failed Nigerian state between you and oyedepo.

Shikena:
My preliminary findings:

1. Oyedepo is not a PhD holder.
2. There is no University of Honolulu.
3. There is an unaccredited distance learning diploma mill called Honolulu University.
4. To buttress claim that Oyedepo received a PhD in Human Development from Honolulu University, Hawaii, US, Oyedepo's wikipedia page made reference to a publication by one Adelegan, Femi (2013) - Nigeria's Leading Lights of the Gospel - WestBow Press. p. 139. ISBN 978-1-4497-6953-6 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Oyedepo

Please feel free to correct my findings with facts as my intention is not to pull him down but to help facilitate sanctity of accurate information in the public domain.

This here

Expectation card not Exception.

Goke7:
CAN and PFN has been compromised, they will always go for the highest bidder. Secondly the body of Christ is too divided for any self regulation as a lot of Christians and Church leaders are too neck dipped in corruption. The Church In Nigeria needs serious cleansing and I will seriously support any Govt in future that will turn its searchlight on church organizations in the fight against corruption, after all churches are suppose to exist with the highest form of integrity as exemplified by Christ.

I agree the church should be regulated directly on matters relating to finances and sort. But a govt cannot stop a 'pastor' from feeding his members grass. A govt cannot sanction a 'pastor' who sleeps with members. A govt can't question or determine the legitimacy of a pastor who divorces his wife but remains a pastor. A govt can't determine the acceptable way of preaching tithing. This is why self regulation is important in line with agreed constitution.

Of course PFN and CAN must be overhauled completely to be more effective and less political.

modath:
So sorry for your loss... Will remember you in my prayers.






As per the highlighted, why if I may ask? Lots of people read & understood it for what it is, not everyone is like your "god of MEN" that have no link to true holy spirit and therefore couldn't comprehend it for what it was.

Like it's been asked repeatedly, if holy spirit failed him in this instance, how many other times has been wrong in the past?

I don't know why people even bother... He has shown everyone he is a PDP member and that I have no issue with.. it's the pretence to care for the body of Christ I& not loss of access to free jet parking that's laughable.

& Don't come with the BS, touch not my annointed, I'm not a sheeple like you, the true annointed of God don't delve into such foolishness as your god of men.

P.S... Apply to change your moniker, aint nothing about you or the crap epistle in the name of PR you did that shows *"HigherED"*

First i apologise for my earlier outburst. But please stick to the topic and stop making personal attacks... I have seen enough counter points to my opinion and i now agree with some of it. You can pass your message without trying to denigrate.
But i still insist that if there is a chance of misinforming the public then news outlet should designate satirical post as they are.

Take the Holy Spirit out of this conversation. I have seen many great pastors make mistakes even far higher. It is our responsibility to pray for these people and call them out or criticize as kindly as we can. Their members are tender fruits at different stages of spiritual growth.

I caution myself and restrain my words because if i speak my displeasure many may not go to church again. However, what do we gain if in the name of attacking Adeboye or Oyedepo we push people away from the household of God. Then God may just punish all of us with equal measure. Selah.

Goke7:
The damage had already been done. If any pastor wants to comment on any political issue, let him do it from his bedroom or his personal office using facebook live. Using the altar of God to perpetuate political lies is a disgrace and I hope the bishop has learnt his lessons.

Let Winners Church also get a political adviser for their bishop that will help him do proper analysis before he goes again to the pulpit to mis yan again.

As a Believer am getting ashamed of our pastors, dem dey fall our hand too much these days.

Great point.

modath:
OP,

May God redeem your soul from underneath the foundation of canaanland.... No human can epp you.

You are very uncouth. Reserve your prayer point for whichever man marries/married you. I'm sure you have experential knowledge in locking people's soul that's why you think mine was locked at canaanland.

alezzy13:
Stop this nonsense. The respected MOG goofed on this one. LEts just accept and move on. I didn't have to reach the Kanu mention before I knew it a satire. Just the first two or three lines gave it away.

My respect for the man has not diminished, nonetheless.

I kuku did not absolve Bishop oyedepo. But my point is if he could be misled then many could equally be. The nation should designate her sattire commentary under comedy section subsequently.

Tehila07:
Please, it's easy to understand that this is a satire except you have a pre-conceived opinion towards someone. Bishop is my hero, but I hate to see him talking about politics in public, because that makes him liable to errors. Now someone said "why didn't Holy Spirit reveal to him that this is a satire?" I can't lose my respect for him because of this error because my own errors are countless.

Now read the words below and tell me the message it conveys...

"I smoked 'weed' today and nothing bad happened to me. I just have to wish you guys happy Easter. As we are moving from November to August we will see 1992 in Jesus Name."

The time wasn't Easter. Major commenters were typing "lol". One commenter came and started advising poster to shun hard drugs.

Valid point. They should all stay away from politics. Whether credible news or not i think he should just do like Oyakhilomhe, Olukoya and avoid Nigerian politics completely.

I think it is time the Pentecostal movement gets a structure. The govt should give PFN or CAN the powers for self regulation in line with whatever Christianity means to all of us and document it as a constitution. Watching a mentally disturbed 'pastor' slam members in church is very heart breaking and a mockery to this religion. Such kind of church ought to be closed immediately and members dispersed but CAN or PFN has no such powers.

There is chaos in the church formation and it keeps me awake at night - everyone does as they please and make a mockery of the system. There is no accountability on church income, by now a reformed PFN or CAN should have forced her members to make annual disclosures on church income and expenditure.

There ought to be regulations from CAN forcing bakare, osinbanjo and okotie and the likes to temporarily step aside before vying for office.

What about regulations banning politicians from contributing to church projects

Churches should also start having accountable leadership. I expect winners supreme council would ban further political commentaries by any of its leaders but i know that wouldn't happen as our pastors are too powerful than the structures meant to hold them accountable.

Daviddson:
Forget about Oyedepo now, let's talk about your own failure to see satire in the piece. The beginning of the article reads: Then this one too: Now can you still not see the satire there?

You assume that i know Kanu started all this. But before this week i had deliberately skipped every single news regarding jubril of sudan. The headline has always been enough to put me off because i know it's conspiracy theory.

The first article i ever read about this was the one Oyedepo cited so i was sort of confused too. And since i don't trust nor like Buhari i may be guilty of not to looking for loopholes in articles against him.

The Nation's publication clearly fits the description of fake news.


Questions on Holy spirit
Regarding the inability to hear the Holy Spirit: Maybe the holy spirit didn't say anything because the bishop didn't ask. Or the Holy Spirit said something and the bishop did not pay attention.
Asking why the Holy Spirit didn't tell Oyedepo is like asking why God didn't tell myles monroe that he would crash. Even when Oyedepo was going to have a plane incident. The Holy Spirit raised intercessor in Adeboye and some Landmark student who waged the battle on his behalf. So this topic on the Holy Spirit is not for this place

Earthbound:
HigherEd, I knew it's just a matter of time before you carry your big head here to defend your 'daddy'.

Who do you blame?
A) The Nation Newspaper: The producer of the content which should be responsible for guiding its interpretation to a reasonable extent.
B) Bishop Oyedepo: A consumer of the content who was misled. If Oyedepo a PhD holder in Human Resource Management from Uni of Honolulu can be misled then wonder how man SSCE holders,and 'semi-literate' folks that may be misled. Are we not at risk of misinforming a large part of the public in the nation in the name of sattire.


NCC better address this before they do sattire with fulani herdsmen and half the nation has been slaughtered before they realise it's a joke. Even in a nation like france with better educated citizens, a satirical publication led to the death of many innocent people because a segment of the population did not see the joke others were seeing.

If i were Oyedepo i would charge The Nation to court for misleading me and causing a dent on my reputation, especially if the publication was not designated sattire. If i buy paracetamol from a manufacturer that refused to give me a written manual on it's recommended usage on account that paracetamol is a common drug and everyone knows the dosage, then any injury i suffer from misuse should be liable to them.

I AM NOT EXONORATING BISHOP AT ALL. HE HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE COMING TO THE PUBLIC

Call it Satire or whatever you like, my first impression, reading Olatunji Oludare's piece was not of laughter or comedy. What i read was a supposed "well laid, investigative" reportage. Till now i do not see the sattire or sarcasm in that post and i would easily be misled by that article myself.

The only dissonance that gave the post out for me was the supposedly unwarranted tirade against Nnamdi Kanu. But without that i could easily have attempted to 'dig' further.

I understand now that the majority of folks immediately termed the article sattire based on the antecedents of the writer. However, we need to ask the impact of a credible news outlet like The Nation irresponsibly mixing sattire and real journalism together.

Knowing fully well that the general public is fully aware that the Nation Newspaper is a credible journalistic outlet then it should be imperative to label or designate sattirical, sarcastic publications under the comedy section of the newspaper - whether online or offline.

The fact here is this, a leading religious influencer in Bishop Oyedepo was misled by the carelessness of The Nation newspaper and the clarity he sought for from the presidency has professed doubt that may have cascaded into the 5,000 church network of the Winners Chapel ministeries in Nigeria. Citizens and church members in Ogbomoso, Umunede, Ede and other rural hinterlands without access to Twitter, Nairaland have now heard from their revered pastor that their president may be a Jubril from Sudan.

Do we need this in a nation where distrust for the Federal Government is so rife that citizens would readily believe the worst from them? Worse even when such accusations are peddled by leading religious voices.

I have in numerous times called for sober reflection from Nigeria's media houses and bloggers to ensure news dissemination is done with utmost respect. A news made by Vanguard, Linda Ikeji during the last election which cited Bishop Oyedepo claiming to open the gates of hell is another typical example of how poor journalism continue o divide us and threaten our peaceful existence. Till today, that news report is still being circulated and reechoed in social media circles despite the recall made by the various news outlet. We thank God there was no violence in reaction to that particular fake news, but make no mistake that particular fake news could have put the lives of many Christians in jeopardy.

To the clergy, i humbly plead that our pastors, priests, bishops should cease from meddling in political issues. Let us imbibe the character of Pastor Adeboye who has been a father to all and a bridge builder who refuses to make political statements. Let the Nigerian people make their decisions and live with the consequences! You are Nigerians and entitled to your opinions on the political situation of the Country but in respect of Christ and the safety of Christians
all over Nigeria please speak your opinions in the comfort of your rooms and not on the pulpit to avoid needless controversies.

SammieJayh:
Longest time big bro...the semester was cool...except they kept on telling us we're in a world class institution...it now feels like a threat.

Big 'bumbum' people have destroyed the chairs again o.
...Those fine air conditioning units are now dead...GST na clash of the sweat glands.

was at cu for UNGA summit and the way Akan Bassey was 'oppressing' us over CU ranking was amazing

The rate at which things deteriorate at that LT is amazing, especially LT1. It needs a lasting solution.

Hope you had a great exam... I hope they didn't shave any of you people's head...

SammieJayh:
Sir HigherEd .

LT looks beautiful in the lower pictures tho ...I guess that was during your day there.

SammieJayh longest time. How was the semester?

Yea that was before all the big boys and girls broke off all the chairs with their big 'bumbum'. So the school chose to give us iron next

SHILOH 2018: DELEGATES FROM OVER 18 NATIONS ARRIVE NIGERIA
December 3, 2018 editor

Barely 24 hours to the opening of Shiloh, the annual prophetic gathering of members of the Living Faith Church Worldwide, aka Winners Chapel International in Canaan Land, Ota, Ogun State, 345 delegates from 18 nations have already arrived for the event.

A breakdown of the nations on ground include Angola, Botswana, Cameroun, Congo, Cote d’Ivoire, Ethiopia, France and Gabon. Others are Ghana, Kenya, Liberia and South Africa. While others from Swaziland Tanzania, Uganda, USA, Zambia, Zimbabwe have also landed safely.

The weeklong event which has been christened ‘Dominion’ by the Presiding Bishop, Dr David Oyedepo will feature word sessions, specialized ministrations, healings and deliverances.

According to the architect-turned preacher, every winner ‘must endeavour to be on ground in order to partake of the yearly programme which is a unique platform for the conferment of our hanging inheritance’.

Provision has also been made for members who cannot make it to Faith Tabernacle, Canaanland, the base of the commission, as 105 viewing centres are now available in Lagos, Ota and environs, thereby bringing the programme close to their homes and offices, through live streaming of all Shiloh 2018 events via satellite and on DOMI Inc via Youtube.

The first ever Shiloh event tagged Encounter with Destiny, was held 20 years ago in December 1999 after the dedication of the 50,000-seater Faith Tabernacle auditorium in September of the same year.

For the years 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005, the Shiloh themes were as follows; Heaven on Earth, From Glory to Glory, What Wisdom is This, All Things are Possible, Showers of Blessings and Possessing your Possessions, respectively.

Other past Shiloh themes for 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 were Destined to Win, More than Conquerors, Manifestation of the Sons of God, Hour of Restoration and Breakthroughs Unlimited. The last seven years had the themes: Waves of Glory, Double Portion, Exceeding Grace, Heaven on Earth, From Glory to Glory, My Case is Different and My New Dawn respectively.

This annual ‘convocation’ of Winners which was drawn from the book of Joshua 18:1-3, will hold between December 4 and 9, 2018.

https://livingfaithpress.com/2018/12/03/shiloh-2018-delegates-from-over-18-nations-arrive-nigeria/

Actually there's a cross somewhere around the place.

Anyway Pentecostalism doesn't really believe that a cathedral is sacred. Reason why many of them even use cinema houses or events centers as worship places, something the anglicans, methodist and catholics wouldn't do.

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