₦airaland Forum

lookingfly:
is it by force for churches to own universities or schools? I know you will say they're building better equipped schools for sound education. True, but it's inhumane for you collect monies from the less privilege in the name of building university and at the end these ppl can't send their children to the schools. If maintenance would be hard for these churches, don't build the schools in the first place.

Did anybody force anybody to give towards universities. Or did any church promise free education before starting a university project. If you are not willing to support the church university then don't give.

INDUSTRIALFAN:
stop talking trash. Missionaries that came to Africa build thousands of schools which where run free of any charge. Which one has the church built for free? Churches have various means of multimillion income so what stops them from taking from their other sources of income to run universities owned by them to enable the poor amongst them who contributed to the building of these universities to send their kids there? Truth they always say is bitter and the bitter truth is what Falz spat out.
Even if they must charge any money, is there anything wrong in giving scholarships to the poor among them or drastically reducing what a certain class of people among them have to pay?

If you had sense you would ask how missionaries of old funded education. Up till the 1950s America w as still funding missions all over the world. So get it into ur brain today That missionaries of old were funded by their respective govt. And that is why foreign churches of today no longer offer those services because govt no longer funds churches.

Leopantro:
At least you agree on some wrong doings done by some churches.
My questions are
1. MUST churches build universities? what happened to the definition of the word "church"? if churches now require physical buildings to impart the morals of Christianity then the orginal concept of the word "church" has bern forgotten.

2. with so many universities currently in the country and including those that secured higher qualifications outside the country, where are the jobs these graduates will occupy? people are lossing jobs left, right and center. people with masters and PH.d are working in banks and applying to be drivers in Dangote companies. if the graduates now cannot generate jobs for the populace, will it be the special graduates from these universities?

I don't know anything about emmanuel airlines but I know dominion airlines is not operational anywhere.
Your number 1 question can only be answered by the church leaders. They are the ones who determine what the church does or doesn't do
Your number two question is funny and rhethorical. Whether jobs are available or not people must go to school. Or is your child ready to do plumbering work So let the question of jobs be answered. By ur govt.

tee4naija:
All these are mere excuses for exorbitant fees charged by the universities.
If they were set up to teach Christian doctrines, are the doctrines for only the children of the rich?
If it is not the role of the Church to create wealth, provide jobs etc, where do they expect the graduates churned out yearly to get employment after paying such outrageous fees for 4-5 years?
Tell us why the Catholic church, Anglican church, Methodists church etc that brought education did not charge such fees back then and limited enrollment to the children of the rich?
Nothing anyone can say to defend the gluttonous proprietors of such institutions can eliminate the fact that they are only out to MAKE MONEY!

So why are the anglican, methodist and Baptist church universities in Nigeria expensive? Why are their universities innk Europe also expensivve today?

sprints1:
don't compare Nigerian universities with Harvard university and u can't compare the economy of the USA with that of Nigeria devaluation inflation everywhere with an average Nigerian making less than #600,000 per annum what are I telling me....do ur reaserch carefully before involving universities with more prestige and excellence with all these profit making church Nigerian universities, yes they have the facilities but the competence is missing...

You are the one who needs to do your research and leave all these stories on economy. All I know is that the typical poor American family can't afford private universities built by churches in the US unless they plan years ahead.

KingOfAmebo:
I stopped reading your glorious trash when you said 5-500 donations by the poor church members cannot send their kids to school.

Please pick up your calculator and calculate this simple maths.

Multiply 10 million RCCG members by 500 naira every sunday multiply by 52 weeks and tell me if is not enough to build, fund and send thousands of poor kids through school for free.

Have you heard of the missionary schools of old? They were built by Churches and offer free education... There is absolutely no justification for me to contribute towards building a school while my kids cant study there because I cant afford it.

I blame the poor that donated, it would have been better not to contribute to ANY church project knowing you won't benefit from it. Case study: Emmanuel Park inside RCCG Camp, owned by Pastor Adeboyes wife built with donations from church members yet this ignorant church members still pay #1000 as gate fee for their children to have fun.

Who owns Church properties? It is the Pastors and their families, yet they tell you to contribute to buy AC or fix the gen...when you leave you go with NOTHING, making you the biggest fool.

I blame the poor for contributing to buy their Pastors private jets all in the name of ministerial work...what happed to video conferencing? What happened to Satellite TV live broadcast of service across the globe? Do you still need a private jet to fly you to Japan to minister to them when you have technology that is much much cheaper on your fingertips?

Why collect donations from the poor members when you know it won't be enough to send their kids to school?...now you give the excuses of expensive funding. So, what's the point in embacking on a project that won't benefit your poor members.


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Senseless contribution. You have taken calculator to calculate the revenue of one church. Who told you this article is about rccg in particular? Next time also take calculator to calculate their expenditure so your unglorious brain can reealise how much Is remained to fund the thousands through schools.
You spoke of old missionary schools, why don't you go there and apply to school now and leave the modern churches for us mumu of the highest grade.

Cyberleets:
brainwashed mugu

Referring to your ancestors and future lineage

drealtruth:
Thanks for the swift response I did a little research and I found this link http://www.davidoyedepofoundation.org/portal/scholarship/register/ but it's not opening.

you should apply for the AAI scholarship in CU. it is fully funded by Jim ovia foundation. visit admission page of Covenant you would see it there.

CoolAmbience:
Please, clarify on clergymen / churches that own Airlines that provide charter jet services, such as Dominion Air Company and Emmanuel Aviation, and help reconcile it with your submission on the mandate of the Church.

Churches have no business running airlines. If they own jets they can rent it out to cover maintainance cost. But owning full commercial airlines is going too far..

Many won't read the topic but jump to conclusions. #Lazyyoots

Wiseandtrue:

So if many are giving 50-150 then where is all these money generated from

Are you saying they are into another business

The early church as you put it preaches about humility, care, love and equality!

They shared themselves, they helped the old, the weak and the poor. So what are you saying

They could as well amassed the wealth and keep it for themselves, why share it

Where is what money generated from? From the members of course...
Rich members also pay huge sums in endowments to church and they also have to pay for whatever edu services the church offers. Dogara gave his six months salary towards building CU. When his child attends CU she would be paying the exact fees everyone pays. Not one kobo reduction. So the point should be "Rich and poor built university and none of them got the services for free".
Believe me the church of today is not preaching pride, hate or inequality. The best any church can do is to encourage her rich to assist her poor in clearing bills to the degree they can.
Yes I'm aware of a rich winners woman who has funded 7 people in Covenant(Four of her kids and three of others). Countless other are equally doing same in redeemers, landmark, Babcock etc and the church too is funding those it can.

Wiseandtrue:
[b]The truth is that most religion in Nigeria cares more about the structure and the profit rather than the people

Erm you too consider the church. The early christians sold off inheritances for the church yet they never got free education nor free healthcare.
They did wealth redistribution but that was because the church got the all of members. You can't be giving 50-150 naira a Sunday and expect to get free everything.

izzou:
We are talking about Falz and his opinion. You should know Falz was talking our Nigerian pastors and not Harvard or Yale. I don't know why you keep bringing Harvard into this. Or you want to compare Harvard to mediocre universities like Madonna or Redeemers that still charge millions of naira for nothing?

We are simply asking many of these entitled folks to tell us where you got your ideas of an utopia where church uni run without charging fees. Yale, Princeton, Harvard came into the argument because they were founded by churches of their clergies. But if you think that is too hard to process then tell us how Yonsei, regeant, pepperdine, Oral Roberts uni, biola uni, Loyola Marymount uni, oakwood uni, villanova uni, leeward, Georgetown uni, St Andrews uni all founded and in many cases still run by churches charge millions of naira that dwarf the tuition of Nigerian church unis.
Why are people in those countries not screaming like many of the idiots in Nigeria. Maybe it's because they understand a thing or two about what it cost to run a university.

Why are their poor not screaming blue murder against the church for allowing their unis charge them thousands of dollars in fees which results in ppl taking back breaking loans to pay. Their poor also pay tithe and offerings, not to talk of the huge financial aid their govt still gives to private universities. Catholic uni of Notre dame collected millions of USD from US every year yet the school fees is 45,000USD.

The best private uni in Africa is American Univ of Cairo which charges 14,000USD while Covenant is the second and charges about 3,000USD. Let that sink in.

DrayZee CodeTemplar made important point on the so called call for industries. And let me reiterate that many universities funded by churches even have more employees than some industries. But be rest assured that when churches go into industries you would hear demonic things like "how can church build an auto industry when members can't afford the cars they make." That's the insanity of the Nigerian populace they deliberately forget the churches to employ ppl through universities and draw out the fact that poor people can't attend. Covenant for instance has over 2000 families feeding from it. But no let's forget that and focus on the 850,000 fees that the poor cannot pay.

izzou:
It may please you to know that I am a product of a private university(church owned) in this country

Saying that no church built it's university for profit making is a lie. It's either you are ignorant, or you just want to lie. Ask those who have been there.

I may need to school you again on what a profit making university is. Harvard with $25 billion endowment and 15 million naira/annum tuition is not a profit making university. Neither is Stanford nor Yale. That a university is collecting 10 million naira a year doesn't make it profit making. When we say a university is non profit. It simply means that the founders have elected to reinvest all revenue into the system.
The only faith based university in Nigeria that i am aware of being a profit making university is Alhikmah university which is Islamic.

There is no platform for us to make a living. There are no jobs, and no structures on ground to create one. Instead of using this loophole to impact godly principles into people, we still create more problems

Which yeye loophole. That is why you have a government you voted for. Even the Isrealites who had a thin line between Religion/State didn't expect nonsense from the synagogue. The church can't veer into full blown political governance and leave matters of spirituality relegate to the background. The essense of the church is to feed the spirit and soul not the belly. The church can give you food but does not have to give you a job.

Look at Nigeria. Every state has its own university, polytechnic and other tertiary institutions. Coupled with the ones of the Federal government and you still see sense in adding more.

Lol don't talk about an issue you know nothing of. NUC license more universities because there is shortage of universities. Nearly a million Nigerian youths are denied spaces every year in unis due to unavailable spaces.

Be it known to thee that there are other super mega churches outside Nigeria and Africa. If the aim was to impact godly principles, they should have littered their countries with universities too.

What are you saying lol. The Adventist church has over 100 universities splashed across USA and Europe. There is no organisation in the world that owns half as much universities as the catholics. According to Professor Okebukola the catholic church has about 3,000 universities splattered across the globe. The Church of Christ owns/affilited to hundreds of universities in North America. The baptist church owns about 70 universities in the US. Combine all the government universities in the US they don't have 1/10th of universities belonging to churches. And amazingly govt partly funds the church universities there too and they are still not free.

izzou:
First of all, I do not support Falz in anyway. So don't quote me if you don't understand my points. Thank you.

My question is? What is the aim of building the University in the first place? Is it to provide quality education, or to make profit?

You ask why churches build universities? That I'm sorry to say is very funny. The churches build universities to be able to pass the Christian ordinance into a youthful population. Having the opportunity to teach students the ways of God under the platform of secular education is too great an opportunity to pass by. To correct ills of the society by taking folks at their formative stage and serving as an incubation for their developments into morally equipped individuals with reverence and knowledge of God.

Now churches have been building universities even before the person who named Nigeria was born and even preceded the US government and European nations to establish them. The Harvard's, Yale, Notre dame, yonsei would never have existed without the church.

Why can't these churches build industries? Why can't two or three of these churches come together and create wealth if not for anyone, at least for their members?

As per industry the church has no mandate in it. Why should the church build industries? To create wealth - it is not the role of the church to create wealth, To provide jobs - It is not the role of the church to provide jobs. Unlike Universities, industries don't serve any relevance to the mandate of the church or her gospel. Let Kings remain kings and priest remain priest.

The church continues to have a mandate in creating schools(especially primary and secondary), Orphanages, Rehabs and Hospitals. Skill acquisitions for members is ok, building income generating companies is taking it too far.

My question is? What is the aim of building the University in the first place? Is it to provide quality education, or to make profit?

No church university in Nigeria today is for profit making. The most expensive one, Babcock is subsidized by 2% of her total budget by the adventist church. Apostolic church gives Crawford 350 million subsidy every year, CU gets above 2 billion grants from winners every year. Landmark has gotten 6 billion in the past few years(I can go on!)

If it's to provide quality education, then who are the targets? The rich or the poor? Because I'm sure no poor man can afford a private university.

Are Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Yonsei, Notre dame affordable to the poor? Shouldn't they have been created(by the church) because the poor couldn't afford them? Do you even know the purpose of creating universities. You think it is to share admission for people. Do you know the poor too would benefit most when the universities turn out great research, discoveries and product for the benefit of society?

Take a look at this country. The churches have made a mockery of the whole education sector. Every church wants to have a university. And you want to tell me it's not for profits?

Mockery? You sir are beginning to spout nonsense. The church universities which have run uninterrupted academic calendars, housed students like actual human beings, provided amenities the govt can't provide are suddenly the ones who are making a mockery of education. To take it further you are quite confused also. You just accused the church of profit mongering after slandering them for not investing in industries which are huge money spinners. It is safe to assume you would end up accusing the church of anything your imagination can create if they actually go into building industries. I know your type sir you would also accuse the church of building car industries with money of the poor while the poor can't afford it. Abi what are we supposed to do when we build cars that the poor can't afford. We should share the cars for free abi. After all with una thinking the church receives tithe and should be able to share free cars it produces

It is sad that once again a Nigerian who ought to be a responsible mentor for Nigerian youths has towed the unfortunate path of Ignorance. In his recent music video, Fahlz called out Nigerian Churches for building universities with money of the poor yet made it unavailable for the poor due to "expensive" tuition.

This is one of the numerous emotional blackmail that churches in Nigeria are being subjected to. It is sad because one wonders if much of these accusers even realise what it takes to fund a mediocre university not to talk of a good one. In much of these debates and attacks against churches, most seem to abandon the facts rather they go feed on the lies and propaganda against the church which is an easy target because most churches rightly do not have PR teams or many individuals knowledgeable enough to defend them.

How Much Does It Cost To Run A Nigerian University
We would be using federal and state universities as a guide here due to the unavailability of data from mission universities.
In their underfunded states, the University of Ibadan's annual wage bill stands at 800 million naira/month translating to 10 billion naira/annum. Capital allocation to the university also stands at 1 billion naira/annum. While Tetfund's annual allocation stands at 2 billion naira per annum. Therefore all FG induced funding stands at 13 billion naira for a total number of 29,783 students which put total FG subsidy of UI at N437,000.00 per annum. This is excluding the IGR made by the university.
State universities on the other hand have a typical wage bill profile of about 5 billion a year. Example would be the likes of Lautech and EkSu with 390> million naira and 450 million naira as wage bill respectively.

If Governments are finding it hard to fund universities how would fahlz expect churches to do so exclusively?
Until recently Lautech was enmeshed in a serie of Industrial actions which was a result of the two owner state's inability to pay subvention for the university. Adekunle Ajasin on the other hand witnessed an internal crisis when state government had to hike the fees students where paying. All these are testament to the fact that university education is severely expensive to fund. So the intelligent questions that Fahlz should be asking is how state governments funded with Oil revenue, Compulsory Tax and a predictable income regime are finding it nearly impossible to properly fund single universities across their various states. Not why should churches who are funded by Voluntary donations and a nonconsistent income regime must fund free education.

There Are No Free Church Universities Anywhere In The World.
While most of the advocates of free church university education are quick to cite old missionaries as the reason why today's church must give free education it is curious as to why they refuse to cite free church universities in adavanced nations of the world today which currently practices free education. They cunningly make it sound as though tuition fees was invented by Nigerian pastors. But it is indeed far from the truth. The fact is that majority of the conventional churches across the globe funded or founded by churches charge way higher than their counterparts in Nigerian universities. Exceptions would be made of university cum seminaries which are usually also funded by churches.

"Church Universities Are Funded By The Poor" - A lie invented by Mischievous individuals
Half truths are equal to lies, to say that church universities are funded by the poor is to insinuate that they are exclusively funded by them. But that would be a lie because the obvious truth is that they are equally funded by the rich and middle class who in some cases don't even bother applying. Much of these self appointed advocates of the poor are in the reality hypocrites using poor people as a pawn in a dirty war game against the church.
University education is expensive everywhere and where it is free someone must be paying for it. Many of the hyocritic advocates of the poor make it seem as though poor people sell off their inheritances to gift to churches so as to build schools "that are for the rich". But in reality what most church members give to churches or university donations are negligible funds such as 50 - 500 naira. How many 50/100 naira notes are you going to pull together to replace one 800,000 required to educate one kid?


Nigerian Churches Should Continue Their Good works In The Higher Education Sector And Ignore Detractors.
The fact of the matter is that Nigerian churches provided over 30 universities which has given thousands of Nigerian youths the opportunity to study in a country with one of the lowest university per populations in the world. They've done that and have equally saved Nigeria millions in foreign exchange which erstwhile was lost to education tourism. They've funded researches in millions, owned research institutes which helped in curbing infectious disease and now even one now has a startup laboratory.


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What a judgment. Nonsense that can only come from a brainwashed extremist judge
Lalasticlala seun CodeTemplar

As for government universities I would prefer Canada because Canadian schools are cheaper. It also seems it is easier for Nigerians to work and study in Canada(not sure)
But whatever your reasons don't let it include academic strengths because both countries have academically solid universities.
The US doesn't own federal universities but her state schools like Uni of Cal, Berkeley are wonderful. Canada too has top notch universities like Uni of Saskatchewan, Uni of Quebec and all. If you are choosing a Private university please just go to the US. The US has no competition in the area of private universities.
Lalasticlala

writerights:
This is one big issue beats my imagination. How on earth do you fight for the oppressed who justifies his oppressor? I should say OAU students and alumni have particularly exhibited this trait than perhaps any other school in the universe. When you listen to anyone brag about how stainous and breathtaking his programme is, ask around, he's a product of OAU and he takes pride in suffering. Really sad!

Stockholm syndrome.... It's sad, but the root of all our struggles as a people. We want to do things the same way and expect different results.
They do not understand that the implications of this thing could mean lost job opportunities, lost scholarship opportunities.
ABUAD graduated 70 first class/700 total graduates some years ago. By the way 10% is a fair percentage to produce in saner climes. LASU graduates 26 first class/16,000 This simply means that those 70 ABUAD students would automatically rank higher in any application review than 15,974.

Let's face reality, no bank nor auditing firm would place LASU on priority employment over Babcock, ABUAD, AUN, Covenant, Pan Atlantic. This simply means In the next few decades the poorest Nigerians might actually be people from state universities because their universities crippled their chances of getting great jobs or scholarships.

The only bright side for folks from state universities is that the private universities don't produce too many grads a year to cause a noticeable damage. But there are still FG unis like UI which are aspiring to reach 35% First class turnover rate in the next few years.

CodeTemplar:
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From the Above we can deduce that Unilag currently gets average of #275,000 per annum on behalf of each student which is exclusive of tuition fees.

This is a school with comatose infrastructures.



https://m.guardian.ng/features/education/balancing-rhetoric-and-action-in-varsity-funding/


Cc: HigherEd, TheVictorious, SammieJay Lalasticlala.

He say comatose

Yea I remembered Okebukola alluding to such figures during AVCNU. If our people understood this probably they wouldn't be hounding the churches that have contributed immensely to higher education in Nigeria.

As per state universities, it is just a big problem. The students themselves glorify in their universities "stress" and would be the first to tell you excitingly how difficult it is to excel. That is why it is a vicious cycle because the ones who end up as lecturers end up doing the same wrong things..

Nobody said success must be easy. But why create man made hurdles to stumble your students deliberately?
The challenge in education is in tackling the old ways and creating solutions to existing problems. It should allow for creativity, innovation and scholarship.

If you are graduating 26 first class out of 10,000 students then you are certainly doing it wrong. You must have overcrowded classes, vindictive lecturers, poor pedagogy, poor teaching aids...

writerights:
Although the trend has been for long, I believe 2019 may just be too far. A little shake off at NUC can go a long way in saving that innocent prospective student a complete world of misery. It should begin now!

Lalasticlala

I wonder why threads like this never make front page yet we are forced to choke on Ini Edo's slaying outfit amongst many unedifying and unhelpful news on nairaland's home page. I do hope Seun and his fellow mods understand the power their platform wields and how it can correct ills in the society by sparking up debates that is helpful to people of today and tomorrow.

Hilarious but risky.
Lalasticlala

barojana:
I must admit the South West is gradually becoming the hub for good private universities. This ABUAD is growing so freaking fast!! As at October 2017 none of the foundation of these projects had even be laid.

ABUAD has surpassed Igbinedion, Benson Idahosa and Madonna and kind of on the same footing with Babcock.

What about that Adeleke University - that one too is very very beautiful and cool. Then Elizade uni. Landmark University nko - they make sense.
Lalasticlala

ABUAD/Afe is doing well. One of the best things to hit Ekiti of recent. And if you see the polytechnic right in front, It is just a contrast...

ABUAD's Two Post Graduate Hostel(Male and Female) with Cafeteria.

Barojana CodeTemplar

School Of Management Sciences

School Of Postgraduate Studies
Lalasticlala

ABUAD commissions Nigeria's first(University Owned) Planetarium, School of Management Sciences, School Of Post Graduate building, Two postgraduate hostels and cafeteria....


Planetarium


ABUAD Planetarium, 18 metre dome, is an astronomical observatory. People at the school REPORTEDLY said it is the first of its kind in Africa..
Lalasticlala Seun CodeTemplar Demmzy15 TheVictorious

SammieJayh:
Yes...well over 100...
I was even surprised...I believe they'll have about 3k applicants this year.

You guys are quite much.Yea sure they would have up to 3000 applicants.

SammieJayh:
Ok...did she pick CU again this year?

Well she was accepted into Landmark last year so she just went to landmark. Landmark waited for NECO to be released before wrapping up admissions last year unlike CU that wrapped up admission in late September. Well, it all worked for good because my parents way prefer to pay 600 in Landmark than pay 857 in CU...

SammieJayh:
Yes I got admitted...just a lower jamb score this year....
I met someone with 48 today...

Did your sister get admitted last year?

Where the number of applicants today many?