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arewafederation:

Wrong analogy my friend. Try again.

You I like you already.

Sctests:
That yoruba muslim horlufemi cannot survive a day without defending his Lord and master buhari. Imagine exonerating a murderous element like Buhari from a crime he is clearly culpable. Why is El-Zaks still in detention? I bet the mor0nic zombie will go blank.

This matter started since Jonathan era.

Mind you I'm a thorough Christian

I'm not in support of killings Eva.

all I said is that Security forces especially in this part of the world are inhumane. check the records. They do inhuman stuff without order. they don't like crowds and they must kill. attributing buhari is just plain wickedness.

Ignorance is truly bliss

If only Nigeria was as lucky as Lagos

African armies have issues but saying they commanded by buhari to commit these heinous crimes is just pure wickedness.

Nigerian soldiers have no value for civilian lives. it's been happening since I was young it's still happening. it's not caused by buhari

List Of 10 Major Crimes Against Humanity Committed In Zaria By Nigeria Army

There fixed

Blazing99:
Nigerian webhosts are QUACK. I will say it again you all are quack group of incompetent losers and should never be supported. To hell with whogohost,smartweb, web4africa as you call yourself. You want a good website with good uptime and no loss features please use a foreign host. Even Ghanian hosts are better than you incompetent bunch. I just lost 5 sites to their Nonesense.

ha. Smartweb.

use smartweb and get one heart attack free.

I love Nigeria

nnachukz:
It was inevitable to those whose reasoning was covered by pure hatred for GEJ. Those who searched for perfection from a human but ended up embracing the devil just to mock the humans.

on the contrary. I like gej but there was so much issues in his style. I do not hate GEJ not once. I hated PDP. 16 years of opportunities gone

raphieMontella:
i never said t was frm nonlife...im tellin u that we created information..

i gave all those to show yu how close science has come and in the future it is highly possible..

can u create planets in the lab?...
Or stars in the lab?...
Slow down a bit man


order cant be gotten from chaos?...
Fashi..lets end this issue here..u dnt wanna open up to the truth

kelper earths also lies..yes sperical planets all lies..microbes in space lies...the universe is expanding big fat lie..
Bt a talking snake..ye very true..dividing a sea with a stick truest tin ever...ascending in a chariot of horses to heaven perfectly true...
Producing food from air best ever..
yu isolate events..why do wolves move in packs? Or dnt birds have brains? V formation flight(m guessing thats what u mean) cud be smtin learned over time..

symbiosis?...

there's a lot i nd science dont know yet..i agree...
Nd u have refused to learn/understand the things learnt..u have a lot of misconceptions abt sm tins..the pic below ends this frm me

i was once a christian
...swerve

lol

i never said t was frm nonlife...im tellin u that we created information..
Since its still from the same kind of blueprint. It wasnt created, it was copied

can u create planets in the lab?...
Or stars in the lab?...
Slow down a bit man
Again you avoided the question, by mentioning stars. We are talking about life forms? simply show me a scientific abiogenesis recreated in the lab. (especially a life form unrelated to already existing life's blueprint of nitrogen bases of adenine (A), thymine (T), guanine (G) and cytosine (C).). You dey mention stars. Life forms are not stars.

order cant be gotten from chaos?...
Fashi..lets end this issue here..u dnt wanna open up to the truth
Thank God you know that, Never can ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ with all the punctuations and randomly form a Textbook. Its just impossible. There has to be a hand in it. even if yu give it the age of the universe. the probability of a 300-molecule-long protein forming by total random chance. This would be approximately 1 chance in 10^390. Impossible. Nature will scatter that molecule and it will never even see the light of day.

kelper earths also lies..yes sperical planets all lies..microbes in space lies...the universe is expanding big fat lie..
Bt a talking snake..ye very true..dividing a sea with a stick truest tin ever...ascending in a chariot of horses to heaven perfectly true...
Producing food from air best ever..

Stick to a topic. Micro-evolution is real, macro-Evolution? not a chance. neo-Darwinism macro-evolution is a fallacy. I was born by humans, my ancestors were never apes. Anyway, the Israelites crossed the red sea, confirmed, chariots of horses could be an aircraft, you may never know. I have my doubts too but they could be explained scientifically too, I wasn't there. Like I said, we can never know, I admit but Macro-Evolution is a bit fat lie. Nothing on evolution is testatble, its still based on assumptions.

V formation flight(m guessing that's what u mean) cud be smtin learned over time..

V flight isn't learned, it's by instinct. so is the act of shaking water from fur in an instinctive behavior. The leatherback turtle, which must make its way to the ocean right after birth, also uses its instinct to get it to its final destination. A baby kangaroo climbing into its mother's pouch after birth is instinctive behavior. Caterpillars building cocoons, there are millions of innate behaviours exhibited by animals all unlearned, did you teach them?

symbiosis?...
read up on the yucca plant and yucca moth? ask yourself how and why. you call it co-evolution but one cannot survive without the other.

there's a lot i nd science dont know yet..i agree...
Nd u have refused to learn/understand the things learnt..u have a lot of misconceptions abt sm tins..the pic below ends this frm me

Finally, we agree on something, you cannot rule out God. Its not misconception, ive learnt unlearnt and relearened. science actually brought me back to God. Secular scientists will never approve God. Remove untested assumptions from secular science you will find God.

Using a pic doesn't rule out God, funny thing is that a lot of us don't know him

Macro-evolution will go the same way people who think the earth is flat will.

Cheers.

raphieMontella:
atheism another religion?...for real?..now i knw the level of the case at hand...
A disbelief a belief?....nothing a thing?...smdh..

Abiogenesis...ion knw why christians like to be faster than their shadows...
Synthetic life has been created in the lab since 2010...
Life frm non life ''quite hard''..
Amino acids were created by muller...
Bases of dna were created by some research scientists through abiogenetic''emerging hypercycles'' hypothesis...

Evolution has done more harm than good....shud we really start this talk?...do u knw the background of ur religion?...smh


in the near future..the possibility of abiogenesis in the lab is there...

U see..this tin called ''instinct''...i believe our survival instincts led us to create the afterlife..reincarnation etc....man wants to keep on surviving on and on...
Our main purpose on earth is to pass on our best survival traits to our offsprings...

Synthetic life is based on already existing life.

amino acids are amino acids. Muller's experiment contained no DNA information
Assumptions are some kind of belief.

Stop changing subject matter. Address these simple questions.

Can you re-create abiogenesis(new life forms) in the lab? Once you re-create new life forms it especially the one without any previous DNA sample of any living thing. Then there is no God.

Information found in DNA, where does it come from? You can never get order from chaos.

Evolution is a scam and based on assumptions. Evolution like the lamack theory should be deleted from science. the Cambrian explosion shows no sign of transition from simple life forms to that found in that if the Cambrian explosion.

Instinct in animals for example

a bird cannot fly for long distances. it will surely die. but migrating birds fly long distances due to slipstreaming, they share the work load. they were never taught the science of slipstreaming. explain don't tell me evolution.

I can't remember the plant and moth. but there is a plant in relationship with a moth. the life of the moth is dependent on that of the plant. Instinct.

there are a lot of things you don't know.

mind you I was once an atheist.

UmuahiaPrince:
The services of Nigerian postal services NIPOST should be scrutinized on why they kept collecting money from Nigerians when they are receiving registered mails which the senders have already paid for delivery. It is also noted that other registered courier services don't do that, then why must we pay to collect our mails.
This unethical and a rip off Thee Nigerian Government must correct this anomal

How do we stop this nonsense

This is like Game of Thrones.

Nigeria version.

Nigeria was running in corruption economy.
The economy has been reset.

Nice to know

raphieMontella:
information coded in dna?...
I doubt uve done a core research or were deeply scientifically inclined...
Evolution doesnt take faith...twist it however u want...evolution is a fact...u mistake fact for faith..i might as well say believing that the earth is suspended by gravity in space is faith and all other scientific established theories...
What u can say takes faith is ''abiogenesis'' bt by a little scale...its much easier to believe in a god than to find out the truth...

Like i said....life on early earth may not have been complex like it is now...
Nobody said life happened by chance...
What is as a result of chance is the position of our earth in the universe...we are products of evolution...going back in time is really hard especially life's origin..so take ur time nd read what i sent above nd below


Once a molecule forms
that is approximately self-replicating, natural
selection will guide the formation of ever more
efficient replicators. The first self-replicating object
didn't need to be as complex as a modern cell or even a strand of DNA. Some self-replicating
molecules are not really all that complex (as
organic molecules go).



One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply
that the question has no answer...
And does nt definitely imply god...

We have seen stars form awta supernova and planets forming also...all without the help of a ''god''
...on dna... Information is not meaning and does not, per
se, imply any special structure or function.


Any
arrangement implies information; the
information is how the arrangement is
described. If a new arrangement occurs,
whether spontaneously or from the outside, new information is assembled in the process.
Even if the arrangement consists of shattering
a glass into tiny pieces, that means assembling
new information. Nothing needs to assemble itself.




DNA could have evolved gradually from a
simpler replicator; RNA is a likely candidate,
since it can catalyze its own duplication.The RNA itself could have had
simpler precursors, such as peptide nucleic acids..A deoxyribozyme
can both catalyze its own replication and
function to cleave RNA -- all without any
protein enzymes...
All i do know is that origin of life(bio life) is a knowledge block for now...but science is jst a baby...in the next centuryy..science wud have been dope...u see the tin is...
Your argument creates a god of
the gaps. Gods were responsible for lightning and thunder
until we determined natural causes for
lightning, for infectious diseases until we
found bacteria and viruses, for mental illness
until we found biochemical causes for them. God is confined only to those parts of the
universe we do not know about, and that
keeps shrinking...
Well everyone has a choice..bt as for me and my generation..I(we) will nt fill a knowledge block with a god...

there is no information in arrangement. it's like saying there is information on the grooves of a tire.

abiogenesis is a lie. scientific facts can be recreated. has abiogenesis been recreated? a big no.

atheism is another religion. deal with it.

I'm not one of those Christians who don't know their God.

Evolution is still and hypothesis and evolution has done more harm than good. e.g. fascism

Call me when you re-create abiogenesis i.e. a living cell in the lab.

If you believe your purpose is to die and rot be my guest.

We will get there by fire by force.

Those who want Nigeria to crumble will crumble. It is not a curse.

They all deserve to be grounded to mince meat. All of them

Misleading topic

Afi evolution na

raphieMontella:
clearly u dnt know what the 2nd law of thermodynamics is...it has ntin to do wit dna sequencing...it deals with entropy..
And ure mistaking it...
All information is stored in our dna...abiogenesis didnt occur by chance... Biochemistry is not chance. It inevitably
produces complex products. Amino acids and
other complex molecules are even known to
form in space....


.

Nobody knows what the most primitive cells
looked like. All the cells around today are the
product of billions of years of evolution. The
earliest self-replicator was likely very much
simpler than anything alive today; self-
replicating molecules need not be all that complex and protein bulding systems can also be simple


.

Nobody denies that the origin of life is an extremely difficult problem. That it has
not been solved, though, does not mean it is
impossible. In fact, there has been much work
in this area, leading to several possible origins
for life on earth...

if u mean order coming from chaos.....
Growth and order can be seen arising
without a program in many places. Clouds form complex orderly patterns. Streams sort
the size of the stones in their bed along their
length. Cooling basalt forms a hexagonal
pattern of cracks. All of these show an increase
in organization, and none involve any
program.....


The second law of thermodynamics is about
spontaneous heat flow or, more generally,
about the impossibility to perform useful work
indefinitely


Evolution does not violate the second law
of thermodynamics. Order emerges from
disorder all the time

The sun provides more than enough
energy to drive things. If a mature tomato plant can
have more usable energy than the seed it grew
from, why should anyone expect that the next
generation of tomatoes can't have more usable energy still?

However,
not only is life irrelevant to the 2nd law, but order
from disorder is common in nonliving systems, too.
Snowflakes, sand dunes, tornadoes, stalactites, graded river beds, and lightning and embryos develop, etc.are just a few
examples of order coming from disorder in nature;
none require an intelligent program to achieve that
order.

If order from disorder is supposed to violate the 2nd law of
thermodynamics, why is it ubiquitous in nature?

I'm not talking of order and patterns. patterns can be made from anywhere and carry no information. it's just patterns nothing more nothing less. it's like saying all pieces of paper with musical notes on them are nothing but rectangles. they are rectangles but have musical notes written on them. the notes can be transcribed to an instrument and be listened to. that's information. DNA isn't a pattern. the helix is a pattern the information the helix carries isn't a pattern. since you can't answer me where the information comes from. I will still believe there is a God. Please, don't tell me by chance. I've crunched the numbers. It's impossible. it was created purposely, by who? be my guest.

I mean information. Information shouldn't stand without being destroyed.

life happening by chance is impossible. crunch the numbers and try it yourself. You will see.

I expected that from you.

It takes more faith to believe in evolution than to believe in God.

You can't rule out a creator

I used to be an atheist but men u can't rule out a creator.

blame all the people who use God's name to commit atrocities.

There is a creator you can deny it but deep down you long for him and u know he's already connected to you.

You see these scientists they don't know jack rather than say they don't know they keep directing all honor away from God.

blah blah blah you still don't believe. do your own findings.

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4 Corrupt memory card

raphieMontella:
nt a mind..go read up neuroscience man..
Its all back to the survival instinct we all have...

lol, I agree to disagree. Mr atheist.

you keep avoiding the other part of my question. I hope you won't avoid it again.

Do you accept all information comes from a mind? as in no exceptions. You also accept that information can be transmitted, transcribed and copied? Do you accept that I formation and medium are unrelated. e.g. A name on a Microsoft word document and be printed, read, scanned, Ocr sent. the paper is not the information, the screen is not the information, and the air where the name was spoken are not the information. good. The genes that made you up is DNA. right? I hope you accept DNA is not genes and that DNA carries information (genes). The information on the DNA where did it come from? don't tell me random chance, please cos that is like saying you laid up all the components that made up an helicopter on the ground then an hurricane came and blew them together and formed a fully functional helicopter. it can't happen because 2nd law thermodynamics.
so tell me where did the information come from.
Thanks.

HCpaul:
This is exactly where the problem lies. How can you prove to me the theory of the supernatural by invoking natural phenomena?
I hereby assume that you are ignorant of the above illustrations and I will break it down for you.

The brain is the hardware of a computer.
And
The mind is the intelligent software.

You can't hold softwares but they are real and natural.

Infact, softwares are part of the hardware itself just that it is a scientific way of manipulating the hardware component effectively. And as for the computers brain, they understand only two languages I.e. 1 and 0.
Every software you run on the computer are just a way of playing scramble with the hardware memory component in order to achieve a particular task and nothing else.
Software is just the trick behind how computers hardware operate.

That of human being may differ based on how the evolutionary process took place.

For people that are not in the field, they may not know how it comes to be but for professionals it is just a process.

When you don't know something, you don't assume to know it by claiming that a devine personality is responsible for it but you instead embark yourself on research until the truth has been discovered.

The value of a man does not depend on the amount of problems he discovered and assume answers for but solely depends on the amount of solutions that he provides to the problems discovered.

software is not part of the hardware oga. The human mind isn't natural, you can copy software, you can't copy the mind from one human to another human you know you can install different OS on the same Hardware.
You also mean to tell me that an amoeba has a mind too. interesting.

I see you avoided the other part. answer the other part. Information/DNA.

HCpaul:
When arguments are getting out of hand the Christians on nairaland deviate by polluting the platform with abusive words. Well, am not surprise since your religion had captured your brain and leaving you to your own delusion.

I know the meaning of eternal and the universe has clearly demonstrated this to humanity by not leaving us without evidence "whether of truth or of certainty" and has also expressed this to humanity by making us to understand that we are part of the universe but 'just an homo sapient though'.

Like I used to say, I believe in the existence of a higher being (aliens), a superior Cosmo (the multiverse) and in other greater things that are subject to empirical and testable observations and scientific explanations and predictions.

If your God is eternal then let's wait till he fully gets into human explanations and not devine narrations where it is fictitiously documented.

If your God is self-created then he actually evolved and of which theory you always proved wrong. The universe is eternal and sempiternal while the God's ideology is ephemeral.

Do you believe your mind exists in your body. Where is your mind located in your body?


Do you accept all information comes from a mind? as in no exceptions. You also accept that information can be transmitted, transcribed and copied? Do you accept that I formation and medium are unrelated. e.g. A name on a Microsoft word document and be printed, read, scanned, Ocr sent. the paper is not the information, the screen is not the information, and the air where the name was spoken are not the information. good. The genes that made you up is DNA. right? I hope you accept DNA is not genes and that DNA carries information (genes). The information on the DNA where did it come from? don't tell me random chance, please cos that is like saying you laid up all the components that made up an helicopter on the ground then an hurricane came and blew them together and formed a fully functional helicopter. it can't happen because 2nd law thermodynamics.

so tell me where did the information come from.

Thanks.

donbenedict:
845 billion naira




Thunder fire economic recession!

Bridge business is serious business

Wow, FTC.

I dedicate it to you, yes you dearest reader. The best is yet to come.

God bless Nigerians.

tsdarkside:
what the hellllll is your problem??...THE OL WORLD IS MESSED UP!!!!.....

we missed our opportunities since 1960...

who you wan blame for that in year 2016??....buhari??...

since buhari is in charge,we have atleast transparency..tranparency is important to reorganize even if you are poor....

and believe me,nigeria is poor,even south-africa is poor.....the only meaningful powers in africa is algeria and egypt...

stop lying to yourselves!!!

we were never the power-house of africa.....HUG-WASH!!!!...that was algeria!!!!........give me a break!!!!...

Thank You.

You are simply wasting your time being rational here. Nothing y you will ever say will make sense here. People want to eat food now now now. That's the only way they see a country progressing.

All I will say is that Nigeria should have diversified a long time ago especially when there was plenty. What do we want to export?

Lagos

Ilu Ogbon.

onespecial:
Why Lagos and not Anambra ? Bigot.



Lagos is living off ot revenue sources instituted by Federal government and evil scheming.


But Anambra emerged to be considered an ideal progressing state out of thought out ideas.
Do u now understand why Ben chose Anambra ?

Really? How old are you?

History of revenue sources

FG refused to give Lagos it's allocation. A politically motivated game just to make sure PDP gets Lagos. Tinubu (I hate the man) sensibly used resources available i.e. taxes to generate internal revenue.

How was the evil scheming and what sources are instituted by the FG?

mightyhaze:
Ofcourse reasonable ppl knw dis. But its too early to bust any bubbles yet. Let the zombies masturbate for the meantime.

Wait na

hannysur8:
Islam is a religion of peace

we shouldn't forget quickly the Jews and Christians killed by Islam. they called them the people of the book and they were murdered.

ok let's compare and contrast
God told us kill them who worship other gods, we didn't
Allah, don't kill them who worship other gods, but you kill.
who is the hypocrite.