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Thank you for this. Thank God someone that have experienced both have analyzed it.

As soon as the baby is born, everything about the baby's health is free. Even the visit to the Dr nd first immunization they recommend before you take the baby out of the country is free in Canada but not in the US

naijaFrank:
You can still get citizenship by birth in both countries. However, Canada is considering changing the law because of Chinese mostly, Even if they do debate it in congress, It would take years before it becomes law.

We had our first in Toronto and the second in Texas. Go with Canada.

If your child is born premature and requires intensive care in america, you will go bankrupt. Canada however automatically covers its citizens... So you only pay for your wife.

Also, Canada is more civilised. people are super nice and when the child grows, they will not be required to pay taxes unless they reside in Canada. whereas, the Yanks will still take their tax even if you live in the moon.

Now to the meat:

The way it works in North america, is you find a doctor first or a hospital can recommend affiliated doctors but you need to have a doctor before hospitals will sign u up. doctors usually prefer to see patients and know their history early before the 32nd week of pregnancy ~ so go early to avoid rejections.

average cost of doctor
Toronto $2000
Texas $3000

average cost of hospital
Toronto $4000 natural birth
Texas $5000 natural birth, $7000 C section

If C section budget another $1500 for anaesthesiologist

If complication and baby is removed as a premature budget $2000 a day for intensive care in US and free in Canada. Baby can be there for months... luckily, ours stayed only 6 days in Texas... was not funny on the wallet.

The hospital will try to push Medicaid on you...if you touch american insurance, hospital is happy...they bill insurance company more but you will never get a US visa again. You are not qualified for this as a non resident...beware.

cost of living is similar

rent $1600 per month unfurnished for short lease 2 bedroom

2500 a month furnished

however, toronto has public transport so you can take the bus or subway to most places. america you drive or taxi...thats a fortune right there.

We've done both... If you have the choice, go with Canada. We regretted not returning to Canada for our second.

Thank you for the analysis. My family friend that came to give birth, budgeted 10k dollars and she ended up paying less than 4k and it's CS ooo nd in Toronto. People undermine CANADA and run to the US yet Canada is better, cheaper etc

naijaFrank:
As for speed of getting the passport...the US may be slightly faster if you are in a big city and can pay extra for same day service.

If you are in a small town and apply at the postal service, it could take 6 weeks.

In Canada, you visit the passport office and its mailed back to your address....again within 20 days.

Canada will issue a 3 years passport for child and you will have to renew at the consulate overseas to get a 5 years passport after it expires . that takes a minimum of 20 working days from the canadian consulate in Shanghai (Lagos is usually very slower in processing anything, so plan 2 months ahead)

Basically. Canada sends your passport application back to passport canada for processing...

The US normally issues passports at its embassies.

However the important issue is obtaining your childs birth certificate. In canada, the hospital will give you a slip with some information and you go online to apply...It will be mailed to your address within 15 days.

In the U S, hospitals will also give you a temporary notification of birth then submit the birth records to the county court. You can pick up the original there after 2 weeks. So birth certificates are processed pretty much within the same timeline.

i hope this helps clarify.

Yes you can

crowngold:
Hotstepper, thanks for the info so far. ..wonna ask if it's possible to apply for a visit visa in canada without having a relation or someone that stays in Canada.

That's correct. When the child is 18, he or she can file for parents

Phema:
The citizenship does not automatically extend to the mother. However, the mother can get citizenship when the child gets older and files for her. I stand corrected though.

Most times, people don't have the time to wait before going bk to naija so it's easier to just get travel documents

Phema:
Who are these ignoramus talking about Canada not giving automatic citizenship? It doesn't hurt to ask if you are not sure please.

That was how one almost swore that US does not give automatic citizenship till I had to send him a picture of my son's US passport.

LAX89; why didn't your friend get Naija passoport for her child instead of the travel certificate since you had to go to Ottawa? I understand that is where they have Naija embassy.

When did this come come into effect because people are still getting automatic citizenship as of last month

demandtruth:
Majority of the advise given here are not correct.

The CIC- Citizenship & Immigration Canada - has changed so many things.
Path to citizenship that used to be 2years (after 1year as PRC holder) and
3years (if you are a Landed Immigrant), is now 4 - 5years.

-You can no longer get automatic citizenship unless: (a) either of the parent
is a citizen or PRC Permanent Residence Card) holder (b) the child is adopted by
a Canada Citizen.

For those seeking for cheaper medical tourism, Ontario Hospitals are expensive.
Calgary is even more - they are conservative some sort.

Best bet are: Manitoba, Nova Scotia provinces.
They are cheaper on medical tourism or education.

So, please, if you don't reside in Canada don't supply information you know nothing
about. It's misleading

Please again, this is not for kids born in Canadian soil. This is for people that where sponsored to come that is naturalized

[quote author=eiete post=35010428][/quote]

Lol

LAX89:
You failed to fully understand the picture you posted. A Canadian Born Child does NOT need to APPLY for citizenship, they do NOT need to fill out any form, their citizen is inherent in their birth on Canadian land, sea or air space, and guaranteed by the 'Charter of Rights' of Canada. The form you pictured and pasted is used by children APPLYING for citizenship based on parentage etc., you need to fully understand what you read and pasted, otherwise you make a fool of yourself.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29/section-3.html

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules/

This is not for kids born in.canada by foreigners. This is for parents who have PR or citizenship and sponsored their child to Canada so.for the child to apply for citizenship, one of the parents must be a citizen

eiete:
It does not matter when they stopped offering automatic citizenship to Children of visitors who were born there. He has just given you information that is readily available online. It's not hidden. The photo attached shows a picture I took from the gov website and highlighted is the section clearly stating grounds of giving citizenship to minors.

It's very hot now and even if it's cold, giving the child an option is worth it

cohmai:
[color=#006600][/color][quote I'd advice you to stay wherever you're now and give the birth than to risk your life and the life of your un-born child flying to Canada, because the weather over there now is not friendly to visitors right now

Seriously, that's weird. My family friend gave birth in March and hers took less than 5 days to.come both the short and long birth certificates cuz everybody applies online and it's included in the package u r given before u leave the hospital. It's only health card that they give u the temporary one at the hospital nd then u receive the main card in the mail

[quote author=LAX89 post=35008241][/quote]

Haha haha! Ppl sha

LAX89:
I know. The 'expert' who gave the contrary advice is ignorant.

He doesn't news to go that far. I.have a.dr that did CS with 1600 or.so so everything plus hospital bill didn't cost up to 4k. But in Aurora, it might cost.more because of the place just like my end. Wherever she gives birth, the birth certificate comes out within 5 days cuz u apply online nd they send it out immediately

quote author=LAX89 post=35007523]

See if @hotstepper can link you with any Nigerian/African OB/GYN outside of the GTA, they'll be cheaper for you. Ask for Aurora - Bracebridge area, a number of Nigerian women from Naija give birth in that area for around C$3k/$4K, assuming a normal delivery. Downside to giving birth in that area is that your child's birth certificate could take 2 weeks extra compared to GTA area (if you're in a hurry to get Baby's Canadian Passport for travel back to Naija), but they'll issue you 'Cerificate of Live Birth' same day you leave the hospital (usually 24hrs after normal childbirth, to save cost of hospital stay)[/quote]

Yes, he should take it to Canadian Embassy in Lagos or Abj or Ghana. He's entitled to it nd will be given to.him



quote author=osewanu post=35007550]Not to derail the thread. I know a dude who was born in canada about 30 years ago. Parents didnt get him a passport then. Can he apply for one now? He has a birth cert given to his mum by the hospital in Quebec. Any experts in the house please advice.[/quote]

Canada gives automatic citizenship

LAX89:
When did Canada stop giving automatic citizenship to a child born in Canada? When you rush to give advice with information you don't know for a fact, it makes you sound like a slowpoke

How nd why is US preferred ?

xabi148:
US is prefrred bt y didn't u want to giv birth in 9ja?

Welcome ! I have sent u an email

catalano:
Hello,
Hotstepper. Am actually in north york, but i need to speak with you. My email is samuu1125@gmail.com.

What soap do you on the head? If it's Johnson and Johnson, then it's the cause and stop it. Use shea butter aka ori mixed with coconut oil on.her hair and see the magic

Well what do u except when.u were doing it every min when u were dating. If ppl will take God's command seriously, alot golf things won't be happening

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I do not know much about visa applications because I haven't done well but I that know you should be truthful, put all the documents they need, have enough money and trust your God.

Whatever you say if u r called for an interview ( in most cases they don't call for interview and just make their decision based on what you provided) will be available for customs and immigration officers in Canada and if not what's there, they have the right to send you back. So being truthful is important.

Processing should take up to a month.

Do u have another here ?



quote author=chizzybaby247 post=34855813]Hello, everyone, i just joined this forum, i need an urgent advise from Hotstepper.

i was refused visiting visa last month May, i did online application and i assumed the reason for refusal was because the online kind of has restriction on documents uploading. as a matter of fact i decided to go paper route by July again. i have gone through all the discussions here, i heard it's better to do online application if u're already preggy.in my own case, am already preggy, and i want to have my baby in Canada God's willing. my question is since i want to go paper route, is there any where to mention if u're pregnant or not? and how long does paper route application take. pls advise me on the best way to go about it to avoid another refusal.[/quote]

Very expensive

Goldie10:
Hello All,

I got the below details for 2 Hospitals in Calgary based on calls my sister made to them:

Foothills:4039441110

Visit = $773
Daily Labour = $4650
After Birth = $1045
Monitoring NICU = $17000
Doctor fees are different
If you need a C-section, the anaesthesiologist fee would be different
Not sure what the Epidural fee is


Rockyview:4039433000

Visit = $700
Daily Labour = $3400
After Birth = was not provided
Monitoring NICU = was not provided
Doctor fees are different
If you need a C-section, the anaesthesiologist fee would be different
Not sure what the Epidural fee is

All Fees in Canadian Dollars.

Look through the thread and all the info you need is there already. Good luck. Beat option is to do an.online application

LI:
Lovely thread. I'm surprised that it's nearly empty though.

My wife and I are considering having our first baby in Canada and will be submitting our application next week. Unfortunately, we still don't have any information on affordable hospitals to birth in. Anyone good suggestion will be appreciated.

Sincerely grateful

I can be ur supplier. I sell baby things I buy from Canada so it's high quality. You can tell me what you will need and I will source for them. You can PM me

Congratulations ! Wishing your wife a safe delivery.

For baby's clothes etc, you can shop via our Facebook page. We live abroad and buys there and sell in Nigeria.

Please leave him and walk away and someone who u deserve will come tour way. It won't stop even in marriage nd don't let him.decieve you and don't expect to change him. Walk away or prepare to come back here again and complain you want divorce

R u looking at hotel or apt? Besides, u r going next week nd no accommodation arrangement yet. How come ? Do u know anyone here?


quote author=OKEMKPI post=34405954]


Toronto[/quote]

Where in Ontario r u going ? Ontario is a state not a city

OK. That makes sense


quote author=catalano post=34165806]Hotstepper(f): 1:54pm On May 27
OK. Do you know anyone here? Where would u be staying?
Looking forward to seeing you and your wife. Safe journey


A friend of mine lives in Toronto, but not withstanding i have secure an hotel appartment just to be in; after i will be in touch with my friends.
thanks for your concern and like i said i will get in touch wit u a day to my departure.[/quote]

It could be true as hospital and doctor determine how much one pays but the cost of leaving close there will be high as its in downtown. Also know that those people in that tread they have papers here just that their health card didn't come out on time and.mosy likely to work out things nd also get their money bk when their health card comes out

adsli:
i just read it here. http://www.babycenter.ca/thread/353787/cost-of-delivering-a-baby-in-toronto-without-ohip?startIndex=20

Who told u and how.much is it? St Michaels is in Downtown Toronto

adsli:
I heard st. Michael in Toronto is cheaper for birth?

Thanks for answering the question. Will u be coming in for birth purposes?

adsli:
The docs asked varies from 1 applicant to another, in my case, I was asked
1. Marriage certificate
2. Bank statement/ proof of funds
3. Purpose of travel
4. Travel history
You will upload it online. Put it in PDF or .docx form
They are not going to ask for medicals if you apply for a temporary residence visa only.
Here in ph, it took 5days from my submission of application before they asked for our passport.
The processing times for online is much faster than submitting in vfs.

Please write what u wrote again so i.understand better

quote author=oloriesther post=34101630]Goodmorning Goldie &Hotpepper, what documents are required for Canadian visiting visa application. I have a good travel history with my spouse. Also how many month can we apply for been the 1st time we are applying to canada.WIth the online application will they call us for medicals? How long does the visa processing takes?Your prompt response will be most appreciated.


will keep you guys posted on outcome. Feel free to ask questions on visiting visa application for online submission.

its pretty straight forward and like hotstepper mentioned there's no section for stating if one is pregnant or not. However there's an additional optional section for any explanation in support of your application where you can upload an explanation letter if you want to.[/quote]