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[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=289103.msg4096300#msg4096300 date=1246046996]As to the being incongrous, I will advise you read the article again. She was not talking about the same person in both instances. The first was Obama's father while the second was Obama! Cool down small and try to see beyond your bias. I am trying to do same.  [/quote]Nonsense. .  . she is directly linking Obama to his pops when she says this:

The key to understanding him lies with his identification with his father, and his adoption of a cultural and political mindset rooted in postcolonial Africa.

It is spurious at best. We might as well link her to Nyerere and his marxists because her father as an Igo man is probably a fan of Azikiwe, hence she must be too.

To be honest, I expect intellectual discussions on here, not some nonsense cooked up by some halfwit. Even her style of writing is wack. She does not present her story well, her command of the English language is poor, and she makes too many spurious links throughout the article.

I do understand that Obama may have some history with British colonialists or whatever cos they imprisoned his grandfather and bla bla bla, but I expect better from writers. I dont know how anyone can find reason in this semi-literate woman's nonsense. Writing disfavourably about 'African Colonials' is insulting to me, as it presents African Independence fighters as enemies of the American State. She uses it throughout the article, and imparts subliminal negative thoughts into the mind of the reader about 'African Colonials'. She almost shows a disdain for the 'African Colonials' who fought for her Independence. I find it very offensive. Secondly, she does not have to label 'African Colonials' as marxists. Most Africans are naturally Conservative, and most of these guys formed alliances with the Socialists (the only group who would support their cause), not because they were socialists themselves, but it was a marriage of convenience.



Now I disagree with many of Obama's modus operandi, but can we have a common thread in our critique, not a scattergun approach?


Eg, I dont know what Obama is doing acting all conciliatory to some Middle East States. He doesn't seem to realise that the weight of enmity is well entrenched and his smiles and charm will not change that. I also loathe how the media deifies him, covering sturvs like him swatting a fly and such nonsense. I wish he would stop smiling all the damn time and act serious. etc etc etc.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=289103.msg4096226#msg4096226 date=1246045908]@Ibime,
Mudslinging? Where? Maybe I should find articles of Obama supporters who don't support his policies. Will that make you happy?[/quote]No, the emphasis is on scattergun.

Your criticisms of Obama have no common underlying thread. You just throw a lot of mud to see what sticks.

This particular critique is the worst of the bunch. This bitch cannot make an argument to save her life, just clutching at straws like a pregnant cow. She would be tossed out of court for making such haphazard arguments. I have just pointed out her inconsistencies. At the start of her article, she accuses Obama of Marxism. At the end of the article, she accuses Obama of implementing the policies of a Conservative Britain. Are those two arguments congruous? This bitch is just dense.

This stupid bitch is just dropping conjecture.

Bitch sounds like Kobojunkie.

The whole bloody article is a whole load of waffle waffle, and says nothing substantive about Obama himself, just chatting some bollocks here and there about 'African' colonials and bla bla bla. Who even told this bitch that she doesn't fit the African colonial stereotype more closely than Obama. Im sure Azikiwe is her hero, the same Azikiwe who ran to the marxists in Ghana when he was fighting for Independence.

Of course I expect Tayo-D to find reason in this nonsense. His scattergun approach to mudslinging just serves to cheapen his intellectual standing by the day.


I mean look at this nonsense. . . .



[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=289103.msg4095594#msg4095594 date=1246037565]Here are a few examples of what the British did in order to create (in 1914) what is now called Nigeria and what Obama is doing to you: 


1. Convince the people that "clinging" to any aspect of their cultural (tribal) identity or history is bad and regresses the process of "unity". British Imperialists deeply feared people who were loyal to anything other than the state. "Tribalism" made the imperialists have to work harder to get people to just fall in line. Imperialists pitted tribes against each other in order to create chaos that they then blamed on ethnic rivalry. Today many "educated" Nigerians, having believed that their traditions were irrelevant, remain completely ignorant of their ancestry and the history of their own tribes.

2. Confiscate the wealth and resources of the area that you govern by any means necessary in order to redistribute wealth. The British used this tactic to present themselves as empathetic and benevolent leaders who wanted everyone to have a "fair shake". Imperialists are not interested in equality for all. They are interested in controlling all.   

3. Convince the masses that your upper-crust university education naturally puts you on an intellectual plane from which to understand everything even when you understand nothing. Imperialists were able to convince the people that their elite university educations allowed them to understand what Africa needed. Many of today's Nigerians-having followed that lead-hold all sorts of degrees and certificates-but what good are they if you can't find a job?   

4. Lie to the people and tell them that progress is being made even though things are clearly becoming worse.  One thing that the British forgot to mention to their Nigerian constituents was that one day, the resources that were being used to engineer "progress" (which the British had confiscated from the Africans to begin with!) would eventually run out. After WWII, Western Europe could no longer afford to hold on to their African colonies. So all of the counterfeit countries that the Europeans created were then left high-and-dry to fend for themselves. This was the main reason behind the African independence movements of the1950 and 60's. What will a post-Obama America look like?

5. Use every available media outlet to perpetuate the belief that you and your followers are the enlightened ones-and that those who refuse to support you are just barbaric, uncivilized, ignorant curmudgeons.  This speaks for itself.


America, don't be fooled. The Igbos were once made up of a confederacy of clans that ascribed to various forms of democratic government. They took their eyes off the ball and before they knew it, the British were upon them. Also, understand this: the African colonial who is given too much political power can only become one thing: a despot.


L.E. Ikenga can be reached at leikenga@gmail.com.
[/color][/quote]Is she now accusing the British Government of the late 19th century of also being marxist?

Hw can this stupid bitch accuse Obama of marxism, then turn around and accuse him of implementing the same policies as a Conservative Britain?

The idiot even left her email. l'll get my goons to spam it. 

You guys are idiots!  

Which freedom fighter does not keep money to arm himself, settle political spizzle-spazzle etc?

Asari is a bonafide idealist. Infact, he is fighting for your rights as well.  

What do olodos like tkb and MrCrackles know about the main premise behind the Niger Delta bruhaha. 

The fight has always been about reworking the constitution and enabling a return to Federalism.

As Asari said: "A National Conference is the minimum we will accept in exchange for dropping our weapons."

Any militant who is giving up arms in exchange for amnesty is exposing himself as a charlatan. We always knew Ateke, Soboma et al were only interested in protecting their ill-gotten gains, hence they accepted the amnesty. These two are the most murderous militants in the Niger-Delta. This amnesty spizzle-spazzle will show you who the real freedom fighters are and who the common criminals are, and this seperates the wheat from the chaff.

As long as the underlying causes of militancy (resource control, environmental degradation etc) are not addressed, every militant who accepts amnesty will be replaced by a new militant.

IMO, this is just a Govt ploy to isolate the militants, and kill the real freedom fighters who are fighting for real causes under the excuse that "We offered them amnesty but they refused, so their treatment is justified."

An amnesty is used to placate criminals. Justice is used to placate freedom fighters.

I am fully behind Asari on this. There is no amnesty until there is a Sovereign National Conference!

dnex:
Can you imagine somebody that says he's a business man, he hears that government want to share money to militants and now he is putting himself among those whom the amnesty is meant for. Has he not been released from detention? Has he not been freed? Wetin concern am with amnesty again?

If he wants amnesty, he has to carry arms back to the creeks in order to re-criminalise himself.

As for this bovine-brained Dnex  -  what do you think amnesty means?

Asari is entitled to amnesty if he wants (which he doesnt) even if he hasnt held a gun for the last 3 years. Amnesty is 'freedom from prosecution' for illegal sturvs, even if it was committed 15 years ago. That means that under law, you cannot be tried for any sins and the slate is wiped clean. As it stands, Asari can be pulled up before the court for shit he did even 10 years ago.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=157494.msg4093997#msg4093997 date=1246021681]It seems you are suffering from a pink eye.
You took an L in the last battle. . . . .Matter of fact, NL cats felt your verses were disjointed and i walked away with the big prize.[/quote]hehehehe. . . . with or without the votes you received from your groupies, that battle was a walkover. . . . alright, I shall deal with you after the tourney (if I participate). . . . we shall get Ofoka to set up a thread specifically for that. . . .


[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=157494.msg4093997#msg4093997 date=1246021681]The tourney is too weak for me to lay down ma bars. . . . . .
I shouldn't be found dead dropping bars in that tourney, the quality is poor.[/quote]but you lay down 100 bars for Ofoka everyday. . .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=157494.msg4093699#msg4093699 date=1246019030]Stop acting like a child. . . . . .
If you feel oppressed by my lyrics, set up a thread and call the Dark Lord out.
Do i have to register in a tourney to battle you?[/quote]hehehehe. . . . how can I be oppressed considering you took an L in our last battle. . . . if anything, you should be itching to get your revenge. . . . a champion cannot challenge a challenger  . . . . abi is Klitschko begging Samuel Peter for rematch when it should be the other way around?  . . . . I am not after your blood per se, I just wanna make the tourney more lively, hence I am requesting your presence as well as Wordsmiths. . . . I dont have time to battle you outside the tourney cos I can't be bothered with the workload and it would also overshadow the tourney. . . . so step up, lets make the tourney exciting. . . I dont see any difference with you dropping 100 bars on Ofokas head everyday, when you can channel those lyrics into the tourney. . .

busybody, wetin carry you reach here. . . . we will meet in the tourney hopefully. . . . if Sauron will sign up. . .

tkb417:
shebi u don use style style calculate my age one day
29

how ur side?

hehehehe. . . . the clock is ticking!  

I dey sha.

Which kain nonsense you dey yarn about Asari sef. Take time oh! Make Ijaw boys no catch you dey yarn opaks. If Asari dey live for Abuja, wetin come concern you? You know how many JTF dey find am for PH?  

tkb417:
and most people are blind and cannot see they are only using the malaise to make money for themselves alone
how much has he given out from the millions of dollars they are sharing

siddon there make trouser dey wear you

@Ibime
siddon dey look jare.  .   .

O boy happy beffday o. . . . so how old you done clock today?

Asari is well known from back in his IYC days in the mid-90's. . . .and even back in his university days. . . . Asari does not play when it comes to the struggle. . . .

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=157494.msg4090323#msg4090323 date=1245962691]Idiot. . . . . .After i had pounded you with golden bars, u and Ibime(ur new boy/f) are spreading lies about me.

If u and Ibime feel ma lyrics were stolen, where's the evidence?
Like Nas said. . . . .Nuccas fear what they cannot match and also hate what they can't conquer.
In the art of lyricism, you and other troglodytes on this section are witless apprentices.

SHOW YOUR EVIDENCE. [/quote]Oga sa, I have called you out on the tourney thread, you better go and register (and bring Wordsmith with you).

Mike, your music is more relevant today than ever. . . . as todays popular artists (BEP, Kanye West etc) move toward a more discotheque sound, I cannot help but compare their music to yours and I must say that your music still sounds better than most of the popular music today. . . . you lived and died in the spotlight. . . . yours was a unique experience, and you had to deal with pressures that no other human on the face of the earth has had to deal with. . . . from the age of 10. . . . yet, through it all you kept dropping classic after classic, and kept giving us the greatest show on the face of the earth. . . . you were the ultimate showman and your music is timeless. . . . . Adieu to a true legend.

^^^ You dey mind am. . .

The fake militants ie 'criminals' are the ones rushing to accept this amnesty. . . . the real freedom fighters will reject the amnesty because it comes with no promises for their people. . .

All the haters can dive bush. . . . MJ is the best that ever did it. . .



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWYhhFJvgjk&hl=en&fs=1&[/flash]

Crazy shit. . . .

My mate was just telling me he was gonna be able to get us tickets to his show last week. . .

RIP Jacko

There are some people you think would never die and Jacko was one of them.

debosky:
Ok truce.  

No wahala. . . . but next time you jump on my comments, I will give you another arse-whooping  . . . . . you did it with Eboue, now you've done it with RVP. . . . the next time, I will entrap you so completely, you wont know what hit you!  . . . . . BTW, I hope you are watching this Brazil-SA game. . . . not the one you will come and give us your 'analysis' later when you didn't even watch the match.  

hehehehehe. . . . .

Where do I even start? 

oya, lets call a truce. 

debosky:
Did he not play in the Emirates cup? Did he not play against Arsenal in the CL in 2005? How can you Arrow accuse me of never watching Vermaelen? 

Even if I had not watched live games, are there no video archives available to review? Not even talking about youtube - footytube carries long stretches of game highlights - could I not easily have watched those? What nonsense are you going on about?

I notice you did not make any definitive statements there.

So did you watch him or not?

More importantly, did you notice him?

Do you notice every player your team plays against?

tkb417:
can u explain this bit?

Ibime
i think you both have a point. RVP had behavioural issues while in feyenood and he was also played outta position

RVP can play as a winger but will perform better if hes played as a top man which is very true. hes played as a winger many times which makes debosky also very correct

all the unnecessary self aggrandizement should stop henceforth or i call the cops
Im actually enjoying it cos it shows how deep you people are in footie

we know who sabi this game, no be for mouth.
I hope the apprentices on this blog are taking one or 2 titbits

I have said that maybe it would please Debosky if I said that "RVP cannot be relied to play on the wing permanently"

Thats not the crux of the issue. Im not even arguing that. I have stated clearly that Debosky is trying to entrap me by holding my original statement to its specific meaning, and I am not interested in playing the Grammar game.

The crux of the issue is that Debosky pretends to know about sturvs by googling after the fact! 

And I exposed him brutally over his claim that RVP and Van Marwijk never had problems regarding RVP's positioning.

Debo ran over to RVP's wikipedia page which told him that RVP problems with Van Marwijk were over discipline. RVP had discipline problems, but anybody who was watching Dutch football at the time (not googling after the fact) knows the position issue was the reason behind the indiscipline.

Debosky is the most pretentious Arrow I have ever met on Nairaland. 

Over and over again, I will keep exposing his sciolism AND HIS PENCHANT FOR TALKING ABOUT THINGS HE NEVER WITNESSED AND PRETENDING THAT HE IS AN AUTHORITY ON SUBJECTS! 

In my eyes, there is no difference between what he does and lying! 

For example, the idiot came to give us a long diatribe on why HE thinks Vermaelen will be a good acquisition for Arsenal, detailing Vermaelens qualities without dropping any reference.

Ask the idiot if he has ever seen Vermaelen play footie!

He never has!

Now ask me again whether Debosky is a liar or not! 




Now, he claimed that RVP and Van Marwijk never had positional problems - and I had to expose him brutally! 

Debosky, Why do you see the need to comment on things and deceive people into thinking you are a witness to the fact?

You never saw RVP play for Feyenoord so why are you proffering your story like you know what you are talking about? You never even knew that Van Marwijk was manager of Feyenoord at the time till I mentioned it. Sciolistic bastard! 

As J UNIT rightly said, Debosky is the God of chatting shit on Arsenal thread! 


I said RVP cannot play on the wing. I was actually thinking of a permanent switch from 4-4-2 to 4-5-1 when I said that. Everyone knows Im a fan of 4-5-1 and I know that RVP cannot play on the wing permanently from my Feyenoord experience.  Whilst he may accept it for Holland, he will ask for a transfer if he was forced to do it permanently at Arsenal just like he effectively did at Feyenoord.

You can play with words all you like, but I have not missed a step. I am a footie officionado. 

RVP was a winger when I was introduced to him and I know the problems he has encountered playing there. Every human on earth knows RVP plays on the wing for Holland. Unless one of you punks wanna tell me I didn't watch Holland at the Euros. I have been watching RVP play on the wing since 2002! Unlike the idiot Debosky, I remember the problems RVP had when he was forced to play on the wing at Feyenoord. I said he scored 3 goals against Stoke. I watched the match, whether I mis-remember how many goals he scored or not. This is unlike Debosky who talks about shit he never saw. Bloody liar! 



As for whether RVP is more effective than Rooney, I will leave that to Man Utd fans. I maintain that RVP is nothing but an aesthetic frivolity!

debosky:
First of all - no reply to the catalogue of errors I pointed out eh? I guess we can log them as more of your egregious errors.  

What errors did you point out. . . . the fact that he scored a brace instead of a hattrick against Stoke. . . . Im not interested in statistical spizzle-spazzle. . . . my depth of footie knowledge is not determined by my ability to remember statistical hogwash  

debosky:
Now regarding the falling out, it wasn't over the position. He wanted to play somewhere else (which I did not deny), but his ATTITUDE & DISCIPLINARY ACTION is what caused the falling out.

My friend, stop playing the chicken and egg-game. He said categorically that he fell out over positional issues. That informed his bad attitude. Unlike you, I know that the player has problems playing on the wing, hence I am informed when I say that RVP cannot be relied on to play on the wing!

debosky:
How can your statement be correct? He can play on the wing and does so regularly for Holland. He can and has played on the wing for Arsenal, and as a lone striker with success - how do these examples match up with a claim of 'CANNOT'? Playing with words cannot eliminate that error you made up there, disproved with multiple examples,

Who is playing with words here. . . . look, I am not interested in playing your grammar game, neither am I interested in your pedantic buffoonery. . . . RVP is not to be relied on as a winger. . . . just as Gerrard is not to be relied on as a left-winger, although he plays there for England. . . . save the English lecture for Gaynners. . . . I speak out of experience when I discuss footie matters, something you obviously lack!

debosky:
What x-rated sums? when did 70,000/week become x-rated or is this another idiotic fact you pulled out from your butt?

And you would know since you are privvy to negotiations?

From what I have heard, RVP wants to match the top earners at the club. Thats about £80,000 which he doesn't deserve due to his injury record. IMO, he is NOT a top gunner.



I dont even know why we are still discussing considering the fact that your sciolism has been greiviously exposed. . . . I was just ranting at RVP and you decided to jump on me. . . . obviously, your parents never taught you that you should know your mate.  

debosky:
Rubbish - prove he was playing poorly and the 'whole of Europe noticed his poor form'? He fell out over disciplinary issues, not over positional play. Body language, rudeness and disrespect for authority were the reasons involved.

Everytime I school Debosky, he has to run over to Wikipedia. . . . Wikipedia tells him that Van Persie had problems with Van Marwijk cos of his body language and discipline. . . . mumu, why do you think Van Persie was sulking if not for positional issues. . . . I have already stated that he played half-heartedly on the left-wing. Now of course, you have exposed yourself as having NO knowledge of the player before he came to Arsenal. . . I have told you before that sciolism is a disease so please quit your pretentions to knowledge.

Even Van Persie reveals the reason for his unhappiness at Feyenoord in this link. . . .


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/alansmith/2369865/Van-Persie-happy-to-adopt-the-Arsenal-way.html



The answer, for someone who arrived in London with a troublesome reputation, has been a diligent and dedicated approach. Quite a contrast, some might say, from his last few months at Feyenoord, which he spent in the second team having fallen out with his coach, Bert van Marwijk. There was a disagreement over tactics and the local boy, by this time, didn't want to sign a new contract.

"There were a few misunderstandings with the coach, a few miscommunications," he explains, anxious to play down the rift. "Sometimes I went to him to have a talk but I think he thought I was trying to tell him what to do. I went with good intentions - to say what I thought about the team and my position in it. He said in the papers afterwards that I was demanding to be in the team as a second striker. It wasn't like that. I just suggested that he try me in another position some time to see how it worked out. I was unhappy on the left wing, so why stay quiet?"



I think I have undressed this charlatan called Debosky enough for today. . . . I shall save him any further embarassment 

Whether European teams noticed his poor form or not is reflected in his price - £3m! I certainly noticed his poor form.


So a player who has repeatedly clashed with his manager over his deployment to the wing can be ruled out as an option on the wing. Its just like saying Gerrard should be considered for a DM or Left-wing position cos he has played there before. Although he has played there in the past, I am correct to say that Van Persie is a tactical liability as he cannot play anywhere but in the hole!. Maybe you would prefer if I interjected that statement with "cannot be relied on to play anywhere but in the hole. . . . whatever makes you happy! 

debosky:
Such is your idiocy that you equate playing in the hole with 4-4-2. Is playing 'in the hole' not more akin to a 4-5-1 system? Rubbish again I say. In the last 4 or so games, RVP played as CF and had an OK performance, scoring a few goals, so your nonsense about him always having to play in the hole is complete tosh,

Look at this JJC. . . . leave 'in the hole' for old-school footie fans such as myself  . . . .  I make no distinction between 'in the hole' and second striker. The term 'in the hole' has been used long before the advent of 4-5-1 and was used interchangably with 'second striker' to define the positions of players such as Baggio, Bergkamp, Del Piero etc. . . . . old school footie fans like myself will continue using it to describe players like RVP, Wayne Rooney etc whilst you use it to describe Diego, Iniesta etc. . . . I wonder if Jay Jay Okocha could ever be described as playing 'in the hole' in 1994, or would you rather ascribe that definition to Samson Sia-Sia. . . . we no be mate for footieball!



Personally, I am pleased that Arsenal fans are demanding a new contract for this idiot. . . . it just means less challenges from Arsenal. . . . whilst his youngers like Wayne Rooney are producing week-in week-out, Van Persie is still waiting for his talent to blossom. . . .and demanding x-rated sums, despite the fact he is always injured. . . . he would never be anything more than a squad player at Chelsea. . . . I know who the match-winners at Arsenal are. . . .Adebayor, Fabregas, Arshavin, even Walcott. . . . RVP is nothing more than an aesthetic frivolity who will always flatter to deceive. . . . where was he last season when Flamini, Hleb, Adebayor, Cesc et al were showing themselves as match winners. . . . he simply lacks winning mentality!

hehehehe. . . . I knew Debosky was gonna come out and start yarning nonsense. . . . I wasn't being technical or providing analysis, just ranting at the idiot called RVP. . . . but if you wanna get technical, no problem.

debosky:
The next minute you'll be here spouting some nonsense about being an astute football analyst. Does RVP play in the hole for Holland? He plays out wide in a 4-3-3 so can you kindly stop talking rubbish here in the name of football analysis.  If you have nothing but your regurgitated baseless arguments to present, then shut it.

I know an idiot like Debosky with no knowledge of footie would make baseless accusations.

I have been watching Van Persie since he was playing left-wing at Feyenoord.

Now, tell me why he fell out with Van Maarwijk if not for the fact that he told Van Maarjwick that he doesn't wanna play as No11 anymore, but as a No10.

He fell out with Van Maarwijk and spent 2 season sulking, playing half-heartedly on the left-wing. . . . so poorly infact, that 'the next best thing' out of Holland moved to Arsenal for the princely sum of £3m or thereabouts. Every club in Europe had noticed his poor form.

Now, you wanna tell me that 8 games a season played out wide (but cutting inside all the time) for Holland equates to playing 50 games a season there permanently? You are a doofus. Even when playing there, how many times does he swap with VDV during the game? How many times has AW tried RVP out-wide, only to bring him back to centre cos everything about the boy screams out that he wants to play in the hole?

debosky:
More rubbish. RVP is not the most prolific striker, but he scored 20 this season. If we have 3 strikers scoring 20 a season, we will have no problems. Given that this was his first 'near full' season without injury, and with Cesc the provider being absent for a large chunk of it, he will definitely score more goals with a fit Cesc behind him for a full season.

If not for the hattrick on the last day against a demotivated Stoke on the last day of the season, who for dey talk 20 goals for Van Persie. He should score more than 14 league goals for a season, then we talk. Shebi all his goals include penalties and freekicks as well, and they are all scored in bunches. Hattrick here, brace there (usually against weak teams), still his season tally never amounts to much. Face it, Van persie is a weakling. A good player nonetheless, but shouldn't be near the top-earners at Arsenal FC. His contribution is no more than Walcott, Sagna etc. . . . and he is definitely not to be classed with Arshavin, Fabregas, or even Adebayor when it comes to contract renewal!

mukina2:
From my fave blogger

I hope it wasn't Myles P who wrote that nonsense! 

I support Cesc Fabregas on this issue. He is not to blame for the teams failure to win and cannot be expected to carry the team by himself.

What about that weakling Van Persie who Arsenal fans are crying over, saying he should get a new contract for x millions, when he cannot score more than 12 league goals a season and has a history of injury. Van Persie is a tactical liability as he cannot play anywhere but in the hole, forcing Arsenal to adopt a 4-4-2 at all times. He should be shunted off to the nearest bidder to make way for Arshavin who is after his position. Players like RVP have always flattered to deceive and will always flatter to deceive. I did not know how weak he was until I went to see Arsenal live and realised that despite his height, his body mass is similar to Paris Hiltons. 

Can anyone blame Fabregas? He is one of the Worlds best midfielders, but AW and his lack of defensive nous keep prohibiting from acheiving the titles he deserves. Whilst Arsenal scored the same amount of goals as Man Utd and Chelsea last season, the defence conceded 12 more goals than any team in the top four. So how can anyone say that Fabregas is not doing his bit? Its quite obvious his team (particularly the defence) is letting him down.

hehehehe. . . . . MrCrackles, you know I like teasing you. . . . no need for furious spizzle-spazzle. . . . I only keep antagonizing you cos I see you as easy food in round 1.

MrCrackles:
Like the diplomats, M READY!
I already bleeped your ego up on the freestyle lounge, reason why you keep cooking the beef
Niggas with chitin like clavicles make the most noise!
We got a sieve already, so all those stolen bars wont be going un-noticed!
Peace

Well lalaboi, you know what to do! Ibime vs MrCrackles in round 1.

It is a prerequisite condition for my participation in this tournament that I am drawn against MrCrackles in round 1, otherwise, no show.

As for the other allegations of biting, no response is necessary.

I am also taking this opportunity to call Sauron a bitch!

If he thinks he's man enough, he should buckle up and register for the tourney, where Ill be decapitating him in the latter stages, after dealing with MrCrackles first of course.

MrCrackles:
I aint competing with anyone here coz i already proved my worth!
If everyone in the tourney is capable of outcompeting me, fairplay
The point is you havnt recovered from when i broke your spirits ,so i understand your beef!
You jack rhymes and pilfer bars, all of a sudden you are a lion? . . . . Fall back kid, you missed the train!
I wasnt the only one that exposed it, your beef with me and Sauron resulting in your naysaying was because we busted you
I d save the beef till when you cross me in the tourney!
This shit is getting edgy and itchy

Spurious allegations are like dirt on my shoulder. . . I brush it off. . . . Sauron is used to making nonsense allegations, despite the fact that his verses contain the most generic material. . . you should be able tell that the allegations he made against me were facetious because he included a lot of smileys. . . . unseasoned heads like yourself wouldn't know that 'Bonaparte/ Bone apart' lines are very generic. . . . Sauron is a dubious character who often 'tags' generic lines in other peoples verses as 'biting', as he did to H.J. . . . if you look at the little series of verses Sauron wrote against Ofokasibe last night, almost all of those lines are generic and can all be found on the net!  . . . . I am a seasoned vet, so I know these games.  


Now, the content in bold refers, that you will be getting knocked out in round 1 of the tournament, because Lalaboi is mandated to draw us together in order to bring this pseudo-beef to an inevitable conclusion.  . It should be obvious to Lalaboi that if he does not draw us against each other, we will never meet further down the line because whoever else you are drawn against will knock you out in the first round. I just wanna be the one to do it.  

MrCrackles:
You are a fool, toothless vagabond!
I only said no point, if it is not going to be competitive

Competitive? Who do you think you are competing with? 

Almost everyone in this tourney would outcompete you, even for the simple fact that their bars actually rhyme! 

Jeez, even Lalaboi believes he can beat you! 

Again, can a tortoise complain about lack of competition in a field full of hyenas? 

You must be suffering from delusions of grandeur!

dnex:
This Sanusi Lamido guy did not set out to compare 3 different regions, he was out to tell two other regions that are always complaining about what is always holding them back.

Even if you don't like the language, but you did mention that he made some relevant points. I can see why one person should see some relevant points yet not want another to make sense of the article.

The man was telling us the crude truth.

Most southern Nigerian cultures operate in tiny societies. It won't work in today's world.

We need to change.

This is an article, not a speech. . . . I expect that given more 'thinking time', he should be able to compose his article well enough not to reveal his deep seated prejudices, such as talking nonsense about Igbo traders taunting Hausas at Sabon-Gari etc. . . . he even despicaply and fallaciously claimed that the Igbos were the first to carry out ethnic cleansing in this country (in reference to the Nzeogwu coup). . . . firstly, it is jaundiced to attribute the actions of a few officers to a whole tribe. . . .secondly, he must have forgotten that there were progroms in the North in the 1940's, pre-Independence.

[quote author=kay_pumpin link=topic=287422.msg4083975#msg4083975 date=1245877215]Sorry if i am not supposed to go about it this way but is this not biting?

Punchlines keep flowing so i'm with my pad always -------------------Terry Da Rapman(sample remix)


I'm often short of pad coz my rhymes flow like menses------------------Chrisical

BTW,like i stated earlier,if this ain't the right way and mode to go about letting my discovery known,i am sorry [/quote]My friend, there is nothing close to biting here. . . .Terry Da Rapman did not even link 'pad' to 'menstruation' anywhere in his verse. . . . besides, its a generic line which everyone uses. . . . "I write till I run out of ink". . . "I write till I run out of pad"  etc etc etc. . . . . its quite smart for Chrisical to link it to menses.

MrCrackles:
Personally, no disrespect to anyone else, the line up has to be quality. . . . . . .cats need to be honest. . . . . . . otherwise no point!

Look at this nincompoop. . . . how can a tortoise pull out of a wrestling contest on the pretext that there are no lions in the contest. . . .of everyone in the field, MrCrackles is surely the weakest contender. . . . if the Lions have pulled out, at least face the hyenas and see whether you can match their strength. . . . abi na tortoise sense you dey use escape?. . . .  

I can beat my chest and say I am a Lion and I am willing to take part in the tourney. . . . I ask Sauron and Wrdsmith to join the tourney. . . . infact, I challenge them to join the tourney if they think they are the top dog. . . . they better come and prove it!  

Jarus:
SANUSI LAMIDO SANUSI( now CBN governor) answers your question in this article he wrote around 1999/2000.

The Igbos, The Yoruba and History
By Sanusi Lamido Sanusi

sanusis@ubaplc.com



Every moment in life is a moment of history. Every present action immediately becomes past and roles played today will be remembered tomorrow with pride or shame, satisfaction or regret. Yet some moments are clearly more momentous than others, and represent far greater opportunities and dangers. These are often moments of crisis, a word which in its Japanese form is written with two characters, the one representing danger, the other opportunity.

The deaths of ‘Yar Adua, Abacha and Abiola plunged Nigeria into a crisis. That is, a period portending great danger for the corporate body called Nigeria as well as near limitless opportunities for progress, for a departure from the tension, the stagnation, the corruption and the injustices associated with the dark period known as the Abacha days. For the leaders of Southern Nigeria and, in particular, the two dominant tribes, the Igbo and Yoruba, it represented an opportunity once more to make a move for the presidency, and shift power (whatever that means) [b]away from the North which has come to be portrayed as the source of all the problems of the nation. [/b]The desire to win over power is the natural goal of political activists. The use of propaganda, blackmail, lies, bribery, deception, even threats of secession has been the hallmark of many an astute political strategy aimed at attaining set goals. Yet the choice of which method is appropriate to a specific polity in a specific historical context is a difficult one, requiring a high sense of perception, a knowledge of history, a natural intelligence and political sophistication. In choosing the path of black-mail and ethnocentric diatribe, the leaders of the South have once more displayed to the world their political naivete, and set the stage for another defeat that may see them remaining in opposition for the next four years.

One marvels at the never-ending cycle which sees Southern Politicians play into the hands of their northern counterparts. For a people who take pride in the depth of their Western Education and who have often expressed contempt for the “backwardness” and “illiteracy” of their northern brothers, southern politicians have presented to the world the ever-present proof that “book – knowledge” and intelligence are not necessarily correlated. One recalls Chief Awolowo’s description of Shagari as a “glorified Grade Two Teacher”. It was missing on Awolowo’ that the more contemptible the adjectives he used to describe Shagari, the lower he sank in the eyes of perceptive watchers, as the man he was describing had clearly shown that he was better by defeating him in a race both participated in from start to finish.

Western Liberal Democracy is a product of the nation-state. It takes as given, the corporate existence of the state and establishes institutions and the rule of law such as to ensure that the system, rather than an individual, is relied upon for safeguarding individual rights and societal values. To the extent that Nigerians have decided to pursue the path of the Western Nations (or at least those in power have decided that this is the way to go) participants would do well to bear this fact in mind. A democratic system is primarily about Institutions and the rule of law. It is not about individuals. We need a system, based on laws and a constitution agreed upon by all, that guarantees each and every Nigerian wherever he is from the right to full political participation and unfettered expression. A system that protects each and every one of us from the tyranny of an individual. A system in which our dignity and liberty are not protected only when the president comes from our own part of the country.

Abacha was a corrupt, ruthless dictator – period. Where he was from is immaterial. All Nigerians, Northerners and Southerners, Muslim and Christians, suffered from the corruption and injustices of his regime with the exception of a small band of family members, sycophants and traitors who joined him in looting the coffers of our nation. Those who stood against his tyranny and spoke out for freedom and equity suffered: among them Obasanjo, Yar Adua, Abiola, Rimi, Ige, Lamido, Nwakwo and Ken Sarowiwa. A cursory look at the list of those detained, framed, murdered, lied against, pauperized and otherwise abused in the last five years will prove to honest persons that Abacha was no respecter of region or religion and that he represented the least form of humanity degenerating dangerously close to bestiality, which is why, like Pharaoh, he is remembered today for his evil rather than his good, for no good of his can obviate the memory, etched in the individual and collective consciousness of Nigerians, of what it is like to live in an environment of terror, not knowing who next will be struck with impunity.

In pretending that these are not the issues, in teaching their followers to oppose Abacha not for his corruption, greed and cruelty but for his ethnic origins, in portraying the annulment of the June, 1993 election as an act against the Yoruba, in pretending that Abiola’s death in prison was in some way different from ‘Yar Adua’s death in prison, in claiming that the solution to this country’s predicament lies in changing the ethnicity of the president and producing a “Southern” President: in all this, the political leaders of the South have displayed the highest degree of naivete, the lowest sense of responsibility and the crudest application of their intellectual faculties. Worse than all this, they have played straight into the hands of their political rivals, the Northern Politicians.

The history of Nigeria since independence is too recent, too many real-life participants are still alive, for it to be rewritten with impunity as a political strategy. It was only in the 1960’s that the Nigerian Army’s officer corps was predominated by officers of Igbo extraction. It was only in 1966 that a group of such officers decided to destroy the peace of this nation and wage a war against other tribal groups. That was when the five majors decided to eliminate the Premiers of the North and West while letting the Igbo Premier go scot-free, to assassinate the Prime Minister who was a northerner after having advised the Igbo president to flee and letting the Igbo Senate leader go scot-free. To execute the Minister of Finance who was from the Mid-West; to execute the most senior military officers from the North and the West while letting the most senior military officer and army commander who was Igbo go scot-free. Not one prominent Igbo leader, military or civilian was touched . All the prominent civilian and military leaders from other regions were executed. The Igbo senate leader, acting for the Igbo president in his absence was, by the constitution, mandated to swear - in the most senior NPC minister as Prime minister. He did not. Instead, having consulted his Igbo President, and the president alone, he handed over power to the Igbo GOC in flagrant disregard for the provisions of the constitution. The speech of Nzeogwu, the magazines and newspapers published in the six months of the Ironsi government, his declaration of a unitary state, the provocation of northerners by Igbo traders who laughed at them in Sabon Gari markets, all of these are too recent, too well-documented to be rewritten.

The Igbo people were responsible for the first military coup in this country; They were responsible for the first attempt at ethnic cleansing; They were responsible for the first violation of constitutionally laid down succession procedures; they were responsible for the destruction of the federation and the creation of the unitary system of which they are now victims (since the initial objective was for the Igbos to dominate the other groups); they were responsible for Nigeria’s first civil war.

It makes no sense, in the face of these facts, repeat facts, for the Igbos to shed tears today and claim to have always been an aggrieved party. It will convince no one. Granted, the Igbo people as a whole must not be punished for the action of some. Granted, there can never be full reconciliation without justice and equity. Granted, the Igbo people, like all Nigerians, have the right to fight against perceived injustices. The way to do this is by integration into the country, by joining broad-based parties and establishing a system that guarantees all individuals and groups their rights and liberty. It is not by crying Biafra again. It not by following the man who led them to defeat and ran away to come back later and enjoy his wealth. The Igbos have always had alliances with other parts of the country. The astute political strategy is to go into one now. Tribalism will lead to defeat, once more, and even more humiliation.

As for the Yoruba, they have not been known to call for secession or the break-up of the country until recently in the aftermath of the June 12 crisis and Abiola’s death. One may not agree entirely with their description of themselves as peaceful people, but they clearly are a peace –preferring people, consistent with their well-known nature of seeking maximum enjoyment from life at minimal personal cost. The Yoruba instinctively know that more can be gained in peacetime than in war. Being business people, they have an acute sense of the risks of war and its implication in terms of destruction of accumulated wealth and property.

Yet in spite of this, the Yoruba have in their politics displayed two consistent streaks that have consistently kept them in opposition and cost them opportunities for coming to power. The first is vanity – a dangerous state of self-delusion borne of imagined intellectual and academic superiority over opponents and rivals alike. Thus, Yoruba politicians have consistently underestimated their northern opponents who thrive on wily intrigues and far-sighted manipulation of the political process. They have also assumed to their peril that other southern tribes would naturally acquiesce to their leadership and be lured into a southern alliance whose objective is to help secure supremacy and power for the south – west. Even the so-called Oduduwa republic assumes that the people of the former mid-west who had fought for an independent region in the sixties will willingly resubmit themselves to Yoruba domination. This is all in addition to the recent utterances of Afenifere calling for excision of the Yoruba of the north from Fulani domination, a call dismissed by a prominent northern Yoruba leader, Sunday Awoniyi, for its banality and presumptuousness.

The second streak is self-centredness. Of all the tribes in Nigeria who sometimes fight for parochial reasons, the Yoruba are the only group who clearly believe they are Nigeria. When they have what they want, Nigeria is good. Otherwise it is bad. When a Yoruba candidate loses an election (like Awolowo did in 1979 and 1983) it is rigging. When he wins (like Abiola in 1993) it is a landslide victory in a free-and-fair election. When Buhari overthrew a democratically elected and sworn-in government headed by Shagari, he was hailed as a reformer who came to fight corruption. When his tribunals jailed ‘progressive’ Yoruba governors for theft he became unpopular. When Babangida dissolved the election of Adamu Chiroma and Shehu ‘Yar Adua as flag-bearers of NRC and SDP the decision was hailed as patriotic and courageous even though it led to an extension of military dictatorship. When the same man annulled Abiola’s election it was a travesty of democracy. The list is too long to go through.

As a result of these two characteristics, the Yoruba have tended to be received by all other groups in Nigeria with one sentiment: mistrust. The Igbo people believe to this day that the Yoruba led them into the war pretending to be with them and dumped them at the last moment. During the Second Republic, a grand alliance of four opposition parties capable of winning power from the NPN achieved nothing when it became clear that for the Yoruba the issue was not one of supplanting a conservative government and installing a progressive one, but of securing the presidency for a Yoruba candidate – Chief Awolowo.

NADECO, whose members had been strident opponents of Abiola branding him Babangida’s boy, suddenly look up June 12 and tribalised the cause. Subsequent to Abiola’s death, the memorandum NADECO submitted to the Government of Abdulsalam Abubakar was such a comical exercise in vain hallucination and naïve optimism that one wonders if those that drafted it were in complete possession of their mental faculties.

The Yoruba have become Nigeria’s wailing tribe, detaching themselves from the rest of the country and alienating the people they hope to rule; abusing other Nigerians through their vociferous media and hoping for votes from the same Nigerians on ballot day.

The lesson in all this is that the Igbo, Yoruba and all Nigerians must learn by now that no one can win a national election on a tribal platform. Those clamoring to join Ojukwu’s Igbo party, and those attempting to transform Afenifere/NADECO into a tribal party are heading for a resounding defeat at the polls.

The presidency can, and perhaps should, move to the south. But it will be to a southerner who contests on the platform of Nigeria, not of his tribe. A southerner committed to the system, to the rule of law and to the principles of peace, justice, equity and freedom, not of avenging real or imagined wrongs; a Southerner like Chief Abiola who stands the chance of winning.

This is an opportunity to make (or unmake) history. But, sadly, it is being thrown away once more in what may be the commencement of a new cycle of defeat, frustration and wailing.

Nonsense!

I cannot believe the trash spewed from this guys mouth. He is just another Northern hegemonist. His speech is full of divisive and incendiary statements.

Not that he is factually incorrect per se (it is true that Igbos favoured a Unitary system of Government  ), but the language used is highly inflammatory and prejudiced. Whilst he uses 'politically correct' speak to qualify the North, his jaundiced approach to describing the history of the Igbo and Yoruba in Nigeria show him to be highly unsuitable for the post of CBN Governor.

Whilst pointing out differences and digging up old wounds between Yoruba, Igbo and their surrounding minorities, he utters not a word about the divisions within the Northern camp, divisions in the middle-belt, and the incognizant usurpation of Hausa power by the Fulani who control Hausa society absolutely.

That a Yoruba man like Jarus could find sense in his words (& most Northern positions) indicates that religion is an all encompassing tool and the most effective weapon of Imperialism.

lynxnoon:
THE GOOD, THE BAD & THE UGLY

GBAM!

Also add Count of Monte Cristo.