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BlueMann:
Omo

Vini looking like Ray J out here

A40:
You downplayed Rodri's ground covering I showed you that even among his peers he is in the upper percentile.

From the hardest runner to "upper percentile'. We are getting there slowly.

This percentile is what should have been presented in the first place, not myth creating him as THE marathon man while being outrun by Pedri in same midfield and many others

The objective here is creating a case for best player of the tournament not some 25th percentile award. Lack of evidence is what's giving rise to these sleight of hands to place him at the very top of the totem pole in statistics where he is just in an "upper percentile". These are the issues, when a percentile ninja who was only considered the Player of the Match in one match is awarded a Golden Ball over people with 5 MOTM awards, you have to create myths with statistics based on total minutes played, not on per 90 basis which is the logical comparator for most of the stats applicable to midfield players. Evidence no dey, only Peller level evidence.

A40:
I said it since that you have abandoned logic and you're now making purely feelings based arguments.

You showed per 90 stats as proof of what? Since when did they start doing that one

When we are calculating Messi's stats are we doing it per 90?

When we say Mbappe won the golden boot are we calculating it per minute? Cos if that was the case we should be handing the award to Haaland who averaged more when you factor minutes played

You're bending over backwards to discredit Rodri and for what? Cos you don't want to put your hands up and agree you evaluated him wrongly

Show me the Midfielder that has the workload of Rodri and covered more distance in this graphic

All things being equal you're the Mythology merchant in this debate and you're merely projecting. This claim that midfielders are just randomly covering 12-15km per game is a bold faced lie. Not at this World Cup at least

You can even see that the guys with the abnormally high KM played by far the least minutes. Make of that what you will

If you like go and bring one midfielder from DR Congo and tell us he covered 25km per 90. Na you sabi. I have proven beyond reasonable doubt that you simply are not objective and you're being powered purely by bad belle

At least you done dey come down small small. I can categorically tell you these screenshots you posted are wrong but even from them, you use your own hand to show him being outrun by midfield partners. From "Rodri great impact is shown by being the marathon man" to showing his partners outrunning him, even though the data you posted is still false. This is the purpose of myth busting. Your running myth only works by total volume because he played more minutes than other midfielders who may have been rested in dead rubber games. When you lack evidence, you resort to sleight of hand to build myths. We don't expect someone driving to Kwara to use same petrol as someone driving to Kano so don't present data as if we are dumbos to create a myth. Running data should always be per 90 mins.

And I don't know why you keep repeatedly referring to him outrunning defenders, strikers and wingers when every Tom, Dick and Harry knows central midfielders outrun other positions by up to 2km as they run at lower intensity than other positions. At least try understand data before you present it.

Someone who understands the data they are presenting will never make the comparison between a central midfielder and defender or fullback in running. There is a reason I can run 11 km in 55 minutes in my early 40s that footballers cover in 90 mins - because I do so at low intensity and need no recovery time. Same reason you can't compare the kilometres of a fullback always running at high speed and needing recovery time to a central midfielder who mostly shows for pass at low speed. If you run at high speed for an hour and I jog for an hour, I will cover double your distance by making up ground while you are recovering your heart rate. This is why the tortoise defeated the rabbit and why Fabregas always covered more km per game than Kante when they played together at Chelsea, the type of running they do is different (High intensity vs low intensity).

A40:
How are you below par in running and yet you covered the most distance in the competition while completing the most passes?

Rodri must have been the worst running midfielder in the World Cup. I have never seen only 10km per game from any central midfielder in modern football. What's the purpose of stating that the midfielder with the most minutes covered the most ground and lauding it as evidence of impact as you did below when his running stats are actually piss poor for a central midfielder?

Rest with the mythology.

A40:
I didn't even know that Rodri covered the most ground at this tournament. Eye test beasting is one thing but looking at all the stats and metrics and it becomes even more evident just how much impact Rodri has had.

A40:
You're arguing out of pure bad belle atp.

You started out with saying he's not possession King I showed you he's standing and looking the possession kings eye to eye.

Why are you switching the subject and obfuscating?

We have dealt with yesterdays argument from the same source and I relented

The Koko is that you are trying to paint him as the hardest running midfielder but he is actually way below par in running. Stick to that topic.

You have to build a myth around him in the absence of individual evidence so you went to bring overall running stats that will appeal to the gullible to further the myth, and I'm here to pushback against myths cos I hate MYTHOLOGY

Sportsweb:
Your healing process go long

When there is no individual evidence, we resort to myths like hailing a central midfielder for running 10km per game

A40, covering the most ground is expected for the midfielder with the most minutes

No dey bring primary school stats for us

Rodri covered 10.35km per 90 mins which is beyond poor compared to 11km to 12km standard for central midfielders

This is what I mean about MYTHOLOGIES. Using journalists pen and paper to turn man to a myth including a nigga running paltry 10km per game

This is unprecedented and deserving of Balon d'Or

Never been done before.

The General has been let down by his teammates

I hope this is not overlooked for mythology

Chelsea Directors know Enzo Fernandez is a ghost worker that causes structural issues and can't wait to scam somebody for £120m. I'm hearing Atleti are interested. That will be perfect for him.


🚨 A factor in Chelsea potentially deciding to sell Enzo this summer will be that for as wonderful as he is on the ball, he can struggle when opponents run past him.

That weakness has caused structural issues for Chelsea. Fernandez only won 3 of 9 ground duels against England.

Although Real Madrid took the surprising step of issuing a public denial of any interest in Fernández this month, there are suggestions that they remain interested in signing the Argentinian.

(@guardian_sport)

Jamiuokolaa:
Ha

Which kain agenda be this one again

Didnt see this coming o

Does it mean that Enzo has been the one carrying Messi?

Lmao

Nawa o

Every man must hold on to the agenda wey profit am

Airmark always has backup agendas and backup for the backup

As Enzo agenda fail, he had Cukuruku in the back pocket.

He will quietly disregard all his other agendas that failed from Madueke to Gyokeres

A40:
Belgium. Was what I meant to type

Again I have completely destroyed your argument by posting Busquets and Alonso numbers in 120 minutes vs the Netherlands in argument

You're arguing out of pure bad belle for Rodri and nothing more.

This is Busquets against Italy Euro 2012. Alonso completed just 78 passes

All your talk of completing 90 passes, 100 passes. All a bold faced lie. Like India vs Nigeria.

You go explain tire. No EVIDENCE

Thank God for AI. Some of your arguments stack up. I must have reviewed singular games from Busquet but his averages are not matching Rodris.

You are right my boss.

But Rodri still ain't competing with Xavi the don especially if you remove Saudi and Cape Verde tax.

Here are some comparisons

A40:
Bad belle has you arguing with Google. Chineke.

How can someone that is not possession King have the record for most completed passes. Are you hearing yourself?

They had one extra game? He broke the record midway into the first half

Didn't Saudi beat Argentina 2022 World Cup? Cape Verde didn't draw with all their opponents including Spain and Argentina

Wym real team .

101 passes vs Argentina (95%)

98 passes vs France (94%)

86 passes vs Portugal (93%)

99 passes vs Uruguay (95%)

At the very least your claim of Rodri not being a possession King is a bold faced lie

See the Busquets and Alonso you dey holler since. This is what they mustered in 2010 Final. No dey whine me this guy. I saw all of them play so when you want to talk of Mythology let's talk about it

Rodri completed 58 passes Vs France, stop lying.

This is why I said you are free to turn this into a picture and post it to twitter to increase more MYTHOLOGY

You claim he broke the record 7.5 games into the World Cup. Is the 0.5 games not enough to break the record being a full half more than anyone else and who never played the ultra bus parkers of Cape Verde who ceded 76% of possession to Spain as is their style

That's why I asked you to convert it to per 90 stats which take into account substitutions and resting of players which his previous Spanish counterparts all had before we enjoy the picture mythologies in overall terms.

Per 90, he is nowhere close to them, simple despite his Cape Verde bonanza. The 95 passes he needed extra time to achieve against Argentina would have easily been achieved by Busquet/Alonso/Xavi within 90 minutes. He really isn't competing with those niggas when it comes to this.

@ A40, I have taken the liberty to tally up Spain's average possession this WC and it lands at 63.8%

Removing the Cape Verde game for better comparison against previous World Cups that didn't have minnows and only had 7 games, it lands at 62%.

So you can draw your comparison even against the Busquet percentage of 2018 or other historic possession stats from World Cup as provided you below.

I repeat, Possession is not a selling point of where Rodri improves Spain. Let's say he is much stronger and a bit faster than Busquet, but possession is not his selling point.

A40:
Saying this when Rodri literally has the record for passes in World Cup history

This is a big lie

The World Cup obviously has an extra game

On a per 90 basis, Alonso averaged close to 120 passes per game in 2010. Busquet was not far off that number either.

And they were playing real teams, not Cape Verde and Saudi

Rodri is putting up 58 passes (France) against the calibre of teams those guys put 100 passes against, and sub-90 passes against any decent teams, not Saudi or Verde

So turn it into pictures on Twitter for more MYTHOLOGIES based on overall count with the extra game and minnow opposition like Cape Verde and co. This is how mythologies are made to the less observant but the observant know Rodri is doing circa 70 passes to Alonso/Busquet 90 on average against equivalent opposition.

A40:
See who Ibime dey talk say no be possession King. Vs Portugal and Belgium

Abeg. If you no wan gree say you assess Rodri wrong initially na you sabi.

Comptroller General for pitch na him Rodri be. All of us can't be wrong

Busquet, Xavi and Alonso will laugh at those 86 passes while posting 100-120 against Portugal

They would laugh at his 58 completed passes against France while posting 80+ easily

This can only impress midfielders from other countries. From a Spanish perspective, the % difference between 86 passes and 100 or between 58 and 80 shows why Spain percentage possession has dropped 10% across the board from ~70% to ~60%

I repeat, you cannot sell Rodri as a possession King to those who know numbers.

He is reducing what he inherits naturally from Barcelona and Spain.

A40:
You go explain tire no evidence.

Shebi Yamal and Williams are also at City and were helping him decide CL Finals and helping him to win PL titles. What did Yamal even play in this world cup?

As if Olmo, Torres and co were not there when Busquets was around. Abi na Diego Costa you wan call bum?

Put your hands up and agree you were wrong on Rodri or continue arguing and let the evidence continue to pile up against you. The choice is yours

He's not playing for any of the biggest Spanish clubs so your argument of him being used as the face of anything is a dodgy one

Maybe you know more than FIFA and UEFA that also agree with me on Rodri

You done leave evidence enter agenda

It is well known that the key difference makers in Euro 2024 were Yamal and Ghana boy plus Merino in the final

In this World Cup, you have Oyarzabal with 6 goals and repeated Merino clutch wins even though Ghana boy and Yamal didn't turn up

These are the difference makers

You've built your argument on Rodri as possession King which has been truly disproved, so you can only rely on myths from journalists pens.

In my experience, all MYTHS need one crowning moment to make them the face forever while others are making the key differences. For Iniesta that was the World Cup final goal after doing nothing all tournament. For Rodri that was the UCL final goal. Just like Iniesta, it will extend their MYTH for years to come and allow them to reap past what they sowed by making them the face of success. That's why Iniesta won Euro 2012 MVP with 0 GA while Rodri won MVP here while Messi, Mbappe and Bellingham are doing madnesses

I am very familiar with MYTHOLOGY

But if at least I set you straight on one thing, is that Rodri is nowhere near a possession King which was the basis for your lauding him.

A40:
Your argument will be valid if Rodri is not doing the same thing for Man City. Everywhere he is the common denominator. The only player replicating it in both Man City and Spain. It's not a coincidence

Nobody works alone but there are stars and there are passengers

Has Man City been struggling with possession footie before Rodri?

If possession is his selling point, then it should pique you to know that both Man City and Spain possession has gone down since his arrival

Let's even use Barcelona as the template since he is building on Barcelona base of teammates

Barcelona average 70+ percent

Add Rodri in Spain and it drops to 55-65%

Spain Vs France possession stats was 50%-50%. Even today it was only 65-35 against farmers.

Spain Vs Portugal was 56-44%

What you are doing is building on the mythology of Spain being possession Kings and crowning Rodri as the face of it when all evidence shows he brings down the possession stats of his Barcelona teammates who come to him with 70% already in the bag from their club team, and the Spain team he inherited from Busquet which was also at that 70% range

Rodri is just fortunate to meet the Yamal/Williams/Merino set of difference makers rather than the blunt Moratas that Busquet was dealing with

I tender Spain Vs Italy (65-35)% possession in Euro 2020 under Busquet against the same Spain Vs Italy (56-44)% possession in Euro 2024 under Rodri as evidence

There is no way you sell me Rodri as the fulcrum of possession when possession is going down noticeably under him.

Rodri is no possession King, just a system player

obainojazz:
Rodri has definitely surpassed Iniesta in doing little and getting all the accolades. The luck of being a DM in a possession team.

That's why I call these players myths and their supporters mythologists

If you pack 5 Spanish ball recyclers in one midfield, they will now promote one to the face of it and start writing mythologies

What Xabi Alonso did in 2010 World Cup should be studied if it's about ball recycling. He did it to an extent neither Rodri this World Cup or any others have come close, but he was not the face of it. Rodri is being awarded for what these guys did at a more extreme level. Go and check the records, Alonso averaged 120 passes per game in that World Cup

The only one of these Spanish DM that didn't get the accolades was Xavi because he started this style and he had real assists to go with it, not mythologies. If I'm lying, go and count Xavi assists in Euro 2008 and World Cup 2010. He provided them in volume and was often the assist for the only goal in the key knockout games. Difference between evidence and MYTH.

A40:
You can see how chaotic the game became for Spain as he left.

Rodri does not work alone. He is just a system player. Stop this mythology

Euro 2024, he came off at HALFTIME and Spain controlled possession even more and won the game that he left at 0-0

It is normal for Argentina to chase the game after going a goal down and when Spain have taken off their ball keepers (Ruiz, Olmo, Baena, Oyarzabal) for goal getters in Merino, Torres and that Ghana boy. There was no loss of control, there was switch of focus from recyclers to box crashers and a small predictable reaction from Argentina which was focused on set pieces. One foolish thing Tuchel did was interpret Argentina few minutes reaction after England goal as Argentina taking control of the midfield and thus giving up on the idea of midfield in favour of defence off wrong interpretation. If Tuchel had played football before at a decent level, he will know it's a normal reaction after going down for Argentina to try harder and for England to drop slightly. This is a phase that only lasts a short time before things settle down.

Rodri did the normal Spanish DM, nothing extraordinarily greater than any other Spanish DM, Spain changed focus to attacking players rather than recyclers and Argentina reacted with few set pieces, no dey draw wrong conclusion.

andrewbaba44:
We need stop rodri ballon d or

I sabi as mythologists dey move. Dem go use journalists paper and pen in the absence of stats to write mythologies till the award is his. Have seen this before with Iniesta in Euro 2012. But your Yamal agenda can't conquer his. We need strong Messi candidacy to stop this mythology from coming to fruition.

Omoluabi16:
you see? The ballon dor race is still very very open.

Pure parshality

For the first time, Messi has been cheated

obainojazz:
Rodri mama prayers Dey work well. He don achieve plenty being a tag along.

Mythologists like to promote tag alongs every now and then, like they did for Iniesta with 1 group stage GA in Euro 2012

pamcode:
Ibime. Na Rodri dem give o.

Nothing for Messi sha

Mythologists!

You leave who dey score 10 goals, 8 goals go dey give DM that did what any Spanish DM would do

nihilistjnr:
Seems like you're based in Canada

Baba dey drop coded hint since, he no want announce

Unlimited22:
He is a mechanic

Even a mechanic in amateur football won't be checking his boot while cross is coming in the box. This is disgraceful unprofessionalism never mind his lack of talent

Roland17:
Ferran Torres- MOTM…

Thank goodness for common sense at least..

Thank God for common sense

I been dey fear say mythologists go give Rodri for doing what any Spanish DM will do in this set-up

Just seen that Spain goal again

Simeone was checking his boot while a dangerous cross was coming in the box. I've never seen a professional footballer do that during a dangerous phase of play in his box

Then he missed their only chance

They will cook him in Argentina

swiz123:
Ibime, I hope you will watch the greatest DM football has ever seen lift the trophy. Don’t be too salty to observe it.

As long as he didn't win on the pitch e no concern me

Great DM wey dem gast comot to win just like in Euros

raumdeuter:
In the last 2 days, airmark started hyping Enzo

You can now understand why he was sent off

Airmark go ignore this one and continue with his agenda of shouting Cucurella everywhere

Expert17:
Rodri sabi abeg.

See how midfield collapse

Midfield no collapse anything

He needed to be taken off for Spain to score the winning goal, then Argentina naturally reacted to chase the game

Game over

Messi want kill pesin