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Oasis007:


The black Guy was drunk. He admitted already that he was. He parked his Car, and ready to walk down the Road to avoid causing Accident.

He calmly, despite under the fuckin Influence, cooperated with the Cop. He was pushed to the limit psychologically by the Cop, let's be honest here.

The Cop knew what he was doing. He wanted the Dude to react fiercely. He provocated the Guy, because he knew he's not in his sense(s) to make right Decision(s), yet the Dude held on too long despite in such a State of vulnerability.

He admitted he's drunk, you saw it, you felt it, what called for the Test? Did he argue or deny it?!

If he's white, that stupid Cop would have volunteered to drop him Home honorably and respectfully. Like sir, can you tell your Address, so I can drop you home?!

Touched!

Roland17:
The difference is ours is supposed to the closest to ideal. We spend hours chastising China, North Korea and Russia for the violation of human rights but we have become animals against the people we are supposed to serve and protect in the first place. Furthermore, there is absolutely no justification of force here if the cops were diligent and discipline initially.

Ask yourself, would this interaction always end up with the man getting shot and killed if you replaced the cops with other cops (including white cops) were involved? If your answer is no then this encounter murdered the man because it was avoidable!

Do you realize the interaction between the cops and this man before it went South was over 24 minutes? 24 minutes of interrogating a drunk man who was cooperating. Think about that for a second. Baba, I will tell you with 10000% assurance that the option to call the EMT/ family member or even drive the guy home was there, it happens daily, it is about VULNERABILITY! I challenge you to drive around pubs and bars over the weekend and see better interactions between drunks and law enforcement! If they are rational and do not have any outstanding warrants then he does not necessarily have to spend the night in jail!! It is a basic training the cops go through, you find alternatives, you ensure they are safe!

The job of the police is not to choose who utilized the EMT especially one in a vulnerable state because tax payers are paying for them! To your point, he was already parked and asleep in his car because he knew his state. If to your point, the EMT is for those who are at risk for driving then he qualifies for the use of EMT because he could have woken up to drive.

Truth is we have abandoned the good decision this man made to avoid a terrible situation and now focusing on his decision to wrestle cops tasing and choke holding him which ultimately cost him his life.

He had no business trying to get the weapon but again he was DRUNK! He will win over and over again in court! He was unaware of what was going on, adrenaline along with his drunk state triggered that behavior...that can make a cogent case especially since the cops are saying he shot at them!

This could have gone a different way!

Ibime:
Police will always have a justification for use of force as long as guns are at play. The point I've been trying to make to A40 is that 80% of these incidents are 2nd amendment incidents.

UK policy makers know that guns escalate mundane matters and decided not to give their Police guns. Meanwhile citizens easily acquiesce to arrest knowing their life is not on danger, and when they don't acquiesce, it doesn't turn deadly.

We keep dancing around the koko of the matter, and giving jittery and prejudiced cops an out using the reasonable force excuse. Meanwhile on the other hand we have people saying Police should ignore a DUI for the sake of peace as if any country can afford to allow tens of thousands of it's citizens to DUI every week putting the road using public and pedestrians in danger. No, let the law be the law, and if you take guns off both citizens and Police, the law can be enforced without rancour.

Otherwise we would be coming back every few weeks to analyse different scenarios as to whether the use of force was justified, or whether Police should have ignored the law and let a perpetrator slide. Meanwhile racial tensions, both real and falsely perceived will continue to exarcebate.

Below is a typical British situation where someone assaulted a police officer by throwing them into the sea. We get loads of these incidents per week and no one dies. If na Yankee this happen, bullets for fly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faa7dXFTUDc

MaziAlaye:
The encounter was legitimate. Rayshard Brooks physically attacked the cops trying to arrest him, stole their taser, and aimed it at the cops. He was fleeing at the time he pointed it, but force was clearly justified. Case closed

larride:
@ibime nihilistjnr afrodoc2

Seen this?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-colonialism-africa-british-empire-slavery-a9564541.html

Though he made the statement in 2002 in an article.

Roland17:
The role of the police in the United States is to serve and protect. I have seen numerous instances where the police calls the EMT to take those drunk or under the influence of drugs to the hospital or have a family member come pick him up. Guys, the man was drunk, can we understand that firstly? I mean, this is not even about white and black, the man was drunk and vulnerable.

Do you know how many EMTs stay on stand-by across the US every weekend for people coming out of pubs/ clubs drunk in the US? There is a reason.. The cops know there is that option, I have volunteered and I know! You don’t agitate a drunk person!!!! For crying out loud he was sleeping in his car drunk..

The moment you notice, it is not about law or no law because you are not the law!!!!it is your job to protect his vulnerability and guarantee his safety, white or black is irrelevant, that is your job! There was no need for a sobriety test! You already made a judgement that he was drunk while interrogating him in his car and he was calm throughout, you should be caling the EMT! You should be reassuring him of his safety, you should be engaging him in positive conversations that will not lead to fear, not asking his to walk and then using trigger words like ARREST to a drunk man!

There is a reason why we entrust police officers with weapons in our country and that is because we trust that they have undergone rigorous trainings so they can make rational judgements in difficult times, we are not supposed to excuse or justify their behaviors.

Do you realize in his drunken state he lacks the mental competence to make good judgement and he will win a case against the cops in any court? A very good prosecutor will make a good case against the police because his client lacked the capacity to make good decisions?..In his drunk state and asleep he did not pose any threat!!!! I am not talking about possible, I am speaking the state that he was when the cops met him, he was freaking asleep!!! In the court of law, sleep is a strong term and some interpret it as passive state of death because you are mostly unaware and vulnerable..

The problem goes back to trusting the police in black communities. The man had been tased to stupor on the ground! What was the worst thing that could have happened with him running away? You have his ID, his car!! I mean if you would shoot why not to disable? Why to kill?

afrodoc:
Yeah it might have been political but it doesn’t take away from the excessive force used in this case. If white cops can be so nonchalant in applying violence in a majority black city then their white boss should go.

The officers escalated the situation, which is what they often do if it involves a black man.
They escalate it so they can have an opportunity to draw and fire their weapons. It is obviously their modus operandi.

With a white guy they often defuse the situation and apply common sense. They apply common sense because of the value they place on a white life. Not surprising coming from a country which constitutionally valued a black man as 3/5 of a person.

Have you seen Jay Pharaoh’s video? Apparently they knelt on his neck earlier this year as well. For nothing more than walking down the street and “looking” like a man they were after I.e being black.

When you see a pattern of behavior developing you stop believing in mistakes, a few rotten apples, and other excuses.
There is a systemic and systematic attack on blacks in that country, and this is just the latest example of it.

afrodoc2:
The cop has been fired and the police chief has resigned.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]But Ibime, why was the man going to be arrested?

The man was drunk and he attested to that.
He was willing to walk to his sister's house and come the next day to pick his car.

Is it a crime to be drunk over there? Because he wasnt caught driving[/color]

afrodoc2:
Saw this earlier today. Those cops need to go to jail though. Why shoot a man in the back while he is running AWAY with a taser.

The way those cops allowed a simple conversation to degenerate to killing the man is sad. Or i should say the way they allowed their racial bigotry to convert a simple convo into a killing.

Gabzy1:
Lol
Ignore the messenger
Just consider the message

Gabzy1:
Some groups have exploited the situation to bring their demands to the table
They want to defund the police totally instead of reforming it
They are all about revenge culture.
Any mistakes you have done in the past that is contrary to their view, you are canceled.
I don't see how this will solve black problems

donjazet:
Image laundering

Gabzy1:
This is what Malcolm X said about some people using black plight for their own political gain
https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1270805688067993611?s=19[/quote]Kassam is a racist bigot. He should stop quoting Malcolm.

afrodoc:
I looked into their leadership and i don’t think they are suited or prepared for this scale of protest.
It appears that at this moment when direction is needed African-Americans are suffering from a dearth of visionary and charismatic leaders.

afrodoc:
I understand the call to remove the statues of people like Nathan Forrest and Robert Lee who are essentially traitors to the USA who over the question of slavery fought a war that cost the most American lives in history.
Forrest in addition was a KKK founding member.

Beyond that i don’t see the point in going around pulling down statues, distracting people from the core issues that need to be addressed.

afrodoc:
Those UK protesters are silly. The Black Americans who are being brutalized have not pulled down the statues of slave owners like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson but they want to pull down Churchill’s statue.

chic2pimp:
They are now calling for the Removal of Gandhi's statue. Hindu Residents in Leceister are forming a Human Chain with Ribbons to protect His statue. They'll be heading for the Palace next by the looks of things.

TalabiAudu:
The thoughts of Hazard playing tomorrow is making my dick rise damn!

donjazet:
Ibime, since the fpl will also be resuming, will your cup win be rescinded?

nihilistjnr:
Oboy i got some videos through Whatsapp live from the front lines.

Some of dem EDL man got mash up nicely still

chic2pimp:
EDL members are currently running amok at Parliament square under the ruse of " Trying to protect the Statue of Churchill". Can't say I did not see it coming tbh as anything that has to do with Churchill always stirs up some kind of emotions here.

Roland17:
@Ibime

I kukuma talk am! dem don settle out of court.

BlueRayDick:
So Nigeria is planning to extradite hushpuppi to Naija.....smh. They just want to make millionaires of the trial judge and efcc case officers that Will prosecute his case....nothing more

https://www.nairaland.com/5922386/hushpuppi-faces-extradition-uae-nigeria

HOMOTOYOSI10:
Do you prefer him to Kai Havertz?