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Greatihex:
oga don't change the discuss. It is about how the team performed at a time with the kind of players around.

What level of players were around in Chelsea worst seasons with hazard and compare with chelsea worst seasons with Lampard taking into consideration the nature of the league in the present time.

Worst players Hazard played with, Costa, Matic, Fabregas, Pedro, Azpi, Terry, Ivanovic, Cahill - he took them to 10th position.

Worst players Lampard played with - Melchiot, Stanic, Gronkjaer, Hasselbaink, Mutu, Kezman, Geremi and co. He took them to 2nd position and UCL semi.

Hazard O to ge!

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Raumdeuter, Greatihex

Only because Robben did not stay longer. Two years prior to this, I had Robben in Hazard position.

Greatihex:
oga don't change the discuss. It is about how the team performed at a time with the kind of players around.

What level of players were around in Chelsea worst seasons with hazard and compare with chelsea worst seasons with Lampard taking into consideration the nature of the league in the present time.

You thought you could use excuse of different era to excuse Hazard until Lampard came into Hazard era as a 34 year old defensive midfielder and still beat him like a thief.

In 2012/13 season we were dropping out of top4 while Hazard was dancing shakushaku until Lampard put together a crazy goalscoring run that took us into UCL culminating in a 2-0 win at Aston Villa that secured qualification when Lampard scored both goals

2012/13:

Hazard as a wing forward - 13 goals
Lampard a 34 year old DM - 17 goals

Never you compare your club best player by a distance to a shakushaku dancer.


Lampard beating Hazard on his death bed from defensive position like a thief in the same era.


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iamrosheed:
I was explaining this to some guys yesterday Azpilicueta has been shit yet the opponent don't attack through his role because Willian and Pedro perform their defensive duties very well.
Wonder why most of the big games we won this season Hazard didn't play as a winger? Willian and Pedro protects the full back alot.
Hazard is the reason why Sarri can't use Loftus cheek against big teams, Kovacic helps in protecting the LB alot but we don't need that when the opponent defends very well in the first half because he is not good at creating chances, after the first half the opponent wait to counter when Kovacic is either out due to his inability to break the lines with passes and runs and get subbed for a more attacking LCM then our LB gets exposed no protection or whatsoever making Alonso very vulnerable on counter and most times he is faced with 2vs 1.
The purpose of passing is to move the opponent, Hazard will receive a simple ball from his team mates and waste time on unnecessary touches and dribbles allowing the opponent to re group.
Make he just commot
I don tire

Join us bros

Hazard O to geeee!

Greatihex:
please, all the players you listed as being part of that era, can you compare to the ones we have now and the ones we had since hazard came to Chelsea? Please do a like to like comparison let us see how sentimental you can be

First compare 2003/04 set and admit that current set are better than Melchiot, Stanic, Gronkjaer, Hasselbaink, Mutu, Kezman, Geremi and co. Then tell me whether Hazard ever in his life.took current Chelsea team to where Lampard took that team.

After that we can discuss whether or not Willian and Pedro are better than Malouda and Joe Cole, whether or not Fabregas is better than Deco, whether or not Azpi is better than Bosingwa or Belletti, or how Kante and Kovacic compare with Ramires, Thiago or Essien etc.

After that you can telll me why Lampard came into Hazard era from 2012 to 2014 and still out produced him from defensive midfield position, maintaining his record of qualifying Chelsea for.UCL even in Hazard era.until.he left and Hazard start finding it harder than rocket science.

Hazard O to geeee

Enough is enough!!!

Greatihex:
are you serious? The era ended in 2010 when we won in ucl in 2012?

How old were Drogba and Lampard in 2012. That was last gasp of a dying set. Bosingwa, Meireles, Ramires, Cahill, Luiz, Torres, Mata who all featured are not part of that set.

That era finished in 2010 with Ballack and Carvalho leaving and Essien relegated to permanent sickbed, not to mention Makelele who left before that, and Lampard and Drogba crossing into their 33rd year.

Even with that, their points total in 2011 will still finish them top4 this season. How do we want to compare to the useless shakushaku boy who has wasted his youth?

All I know is Hazard must go this summer.

Let me see if my club will drop from 6th to 7th, abi isn't this guy just fooling us with dribbles that go nowhere and even leave us open to counterattack sef.

We cannot be worse than 6th position

Let's find another way to play. We need winger that make runs into the box, not coming into midfield to crowd our midfielders and take ball off their leg instead of making run for them.

Hazard must gooooooooo!!!.

popizaino:
When he plays with drogba for countless seasons like lampard did and started taking drogba’s glory

When Hazard can outscore Drogba handsomely and out assist him handsomely like Lampard, then he can make such claim.

If Drogba start dropping some 5 goal or 10 goal seasons like he did regularly with Hazard, you will say he is worse than Morata.

raumdeuter:
Durng Lampards time, from 2004 Chelsea never struggled to make top 3 and nebver failed to make it from group stage

Hidden shakushaku came and first thing was to miss CL group stage qualification, few seasons later they finished 10th, now another 5th position with 6th about to follow

If Lampard is in the team and even if Anelka, Pizzaro, Kezman or Tresor Mputu is the striker Chelsea will never fail at group stage nor top 4

GBAM!

Shakushaku dickryders must accept the truth.

Even if SWP, Malouda, Joe Cole or Kalou or Jesper Grokjaer is on the wings, the same applies.

That's how Lampard took Gronkjaer, Hasselbaink, Stanic, Melchiot, Geremi, Kezman and co to UCL semifinal and 2nd place finish in 03/04 with a 19 goal season. . . but if na Hazard, we for dey hear story

Greatihex:
answer this question sincerely without sentiments. During the Drogba and Lampard era, was the competition for ucl places as fierce as it is now?

During Drogba and Lampard era 3 English teams can easily make UCL semifinal.

Liverpool can beast UCL and not even qualify domestically.

Drogba and Lampard team will easily take 3rd spot in this year EPL in their worst year. A team that will go 6 years unbeaten at home, how do you expect that sort of team to struggle for top4?

2005 we had 95 points
2006, 91 points
2007, 83 points
2008, 85 points
2009, 83 points
2010, 86 points

Which is when that era practically ended for me.

This season 76 points will get you into top 4.

Shakushaku era, Leicester won EPL with only 81 points. 2nd place had 71 points. 66 points was all that was needed for top 4. . . .and shakuboy was nowhere to be seen.

popizaino:
Everyone who watches football with sincerity knew during the quarter final match of 2006 World Cup between Germany and Argentina,that immediately riquelme was subbed the Germans starting gaining presence and attacking key areas which ultimately led to klose equalizing .

When will shakushaku master start gaining presence to qualify us for UCL first before we talk of going past 2bd round?

raumdeuter:
who conceded the penalty in Nou Camp?

Drogba conceded both penalties in Camp Nou and Allianz.

Crossbar saved him in Camp Nou while Cech saved him in Allianz.

pamcode:
lies. in the final cech made multiple saves including penalties.

Including penalty given away by Drogba in extra-time.

popizaino:
When our 86games unbeaten ended words on the street have it that important lampard was found wanting without drogba

Thank God they went 86 games unbeaten which is like 6 years, even through Scolari and Avram Grant era, unlike your MCM that cannot even go two weeks unbeaten.

Your shakushaku lover will never be mentioned with our very top legends, if it like make e pain you. He is even lucky Robben did not stay extra 2 or 3 years in Chelsea, if not he would not make Chelsea all-time 11. It would be Zola left-wing and Robben right-wing if Robben had stayed longer.

Greatihex:
some times you are just funny.

blaming hazard for our problems is just like blaming Ronaldo for all the years madrid went trophyless while he was there.

When Madrid went trophyless, Ronaldo did his part to absolve himself.

When Chelsea goes trophyless, Hazard will be dropping 3 goals and 4 assists at worst, or dragging stats with Pedro and Willian.

popizaino:
2009 ucl semi finals saw how Barcelona suddenly gained dominance immediately drogba was sub off around sixty something minutes with pep showing sigh of relief immediately that sub happened but no lampard is the most important player.

You think we are JJC like you that don't watch ball?

Drogba had 5 clear chances to bury that game. If anyone is the reason for losing that match apart from Ovebro, it's Drogba. Drogba missed 5 clear chances that game, one of which is below


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GloryIsaac:
You guys are actually roasting the man who won your only UCL trophy for you!

We are not roasting anybody. We are showing how real men lead their team instead of making excuses all the time cos Drogba had many off seasons.

You forgot we could have won UCL in 2008 if not for Drogba headbutt on Vidic

popizaino:
Don’t let wash our dirty laundry out here man.
Where was lampard when we were slipping away from regular top four on the table under luiz felipe scolari?

Lampard was so important that the he couldn’t qualify chelsea from ucl group stage when drogba left the club .

You are very stupid. Lampard was top scorer under Scolari. Even when Scolari was on the verge of getting sacked, Lampard was the only one scoring. Of the last 8 goals scored in Scolaris reign, Lampard scored 4 of them and assisted 2, even after everyone else downed tools. Mumu

The season Drogba left, Lampard got injured early in the first leg against Shakhtar, after which your shakushaku lover and Mikel led us to 3-1 defeat. Lampard missed the rest of that UCL campaign with injury as your shakushaku lover led Chelsea from UCL heavyweights to laughing stock. . . .and ever since your shakushaku lover even struggles to qualify for UCL, from being regular semifinalists where Lampard left it.

Chelsea decline started when they started making shakushaku the most important cornerstone instead of real killers.

Man wey know ball. If it's shakushaku dancer, coaches will observe how he dribbled 1000 times in the game and even when he has chance to attack a space, he will start turninoninown. When I said Hazard spend too much time looking at his own feet to dribble instead of spotting teammates, this is what I meant



Van Persie lauds Lampard’s midfield vision


Former Arsenal and Manchester United striker Robin van Persie has paid tribute to Frank Lampard as one of the best midfielders of his era and revealed how he has taken on board some of the Chelsea legend’s traits in order to improve himself as a player.

According to The Mirror, the Dutchman is a great admirer of the vision that was displayed by Lampard when he played the Blues.

‘There was something fascinating about the way Frank Lampard operated on the pitch,’ said Van Persie, who is now back playing for Feyenoord, the club where he started his career.

‘For me, the art of being a great player is seeing things early and ¬reading situations before others do. Luka Modric is brilliant at it – but Frank was the best of all.

‘I heard that some coaches observed him once for 90 minutes and it was noted that Frank’s eyes looked all around the pitch about 1,000 times. When I heard about that, I took it on board and decided to work on that aspect of my game intensively.

‘Most players need time to control a ball when they receive it. Their head goes down for a second and then it comes back up again – and, in that moment, you lose two vital seconds of decision-making.

‘And when you play against world-class players, you don’t get that kind of space and time. You need to keep up the speed in the game. It is the only way you can surprise your opponents.’

Vickthore:
u witnessed two fights among 4 individuals and u based ur conclusion of a tribe DT has millions of population on DT very insignificant number.... Oponu ni e o

My guy, the way those young boys brought out their Machetes and the way they were scraping it on road before the fight ritualistically, plus the way their elder was insisting on this mode of fighting let me know it's a societal norm.

popizaino:
The irony of the bolded is that this real men were not your regular mcm in the person of Lampard and John terry but didier and drogba.

Nonsense. Drogba only produced in 2 seasons out of 8. Only twice did he reach 20 goal seasons.

If Drogba was in Chelsea today, you will be blaming him for Hazards uselessness cos Drogba was dropping regular 10 goal seasons.

That's why Lampard had to finish topscorer for 4 seasons while Drogba only finished topscorer twice. Lampard will pop 20 goals and 15 assists every season without fail whether Drogba decided to show up that season or not. Never once did Chelsea fail to challenge for title or qualify for UCL comfortably even if na Pizarro, Malouda, SWP or Joe Cole dey pitch because REAL MEN like Lampard carry the team without excuses unlike your püssy boy shakushaku dancer.

Below is Drogba goalscoring record with Chelsea. Don't you dare claim Drogba was the consistent one, when your snake tongue would be blaming him for Hazard uselessness today if he produced some of the seasons he produced then.

You no know ball.

Ikwerre people no dey fight without knife.

The day two of my friends fought and one of our olders made them both go bring their Machetes for the fight was the day I knew. We were 10 years old then.

Same year I witnessed my landlord stabbed in the chest by his own son during fight.

Na Ikwerre way be that.

madrid5:
okay latest rumour now is you Chelsea rejected 85 million from us and want 115m,isn't the amount too high ?

Enough is enough. any price come and carry him.

Our mumu done do.

How often will we make excuse for player who turns up half a season and disappears the other half. Who plays well when the going is good and disappears later.

I remember how likes of Lampard kept us in a title race with Claudio Pizarro as striker and Pizarro could not score one single goal.

Shaun-Wright Phillips, Malouda and Joe Cole who we counted as our starting wingers are never close to even Pedro and Willian

The excuses are too much for Hazard.

He should gooooooooo!

Let us find another way of playing that is more successful even if na gidigba football pattern.

Come and take him please.

#OurMumuDonDo

madrid5:
involved/responsible wentim be the difference?he is also the most creative player in the league and he should have had way more assist not playing with higuan/morata,nothing to worry about sha William/Pedro and pulisic will kill it next season.

He should pack his load and gooooooooo!

We cannot finish lower than 6th which is where we are with him right now

6th, 5th, we've even finished 10th with him.

There have been real men at this club who always finished the club in UCL positions even if they were asked to play with Ramires, Malouda, Bosingwa, Mikel, Joe Cole etc.

You will suddenly start seeing Chelsea finding different way to score instead of going down his unproductive avenue all the time.

He should gooooooooo oh!

madrid5:
this is why i hate argueing with that guy,hazard (like any player not named Ronaldo and messi) is not perfect so people critizing him have a piont,but how can a player responsible for 48% of your league goals be your problem?

He is not responsible for 48% of goals. He is involved in 48% of goals (goals plus assists)

If you add every individual players contribution (goals plus assists) you will get 200% except for own goals

48% is a quarter of the total.

Is it too much to ask a front 3 player to contribute a quarter of the total? Mind you, a miserly total at that.

Orpe7:
Baba T dey do upper body building men

The guy done turn Mark Henry

afrodoc2:
Ah han! Isn’t that a bit harsh?

They say he has the same talent level as Messi na.

I've had enough of that dancer abeg. We need men at the helm of affairs, not dancers.

Nobody should just call my name on that dancer matter today. I don vex.

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Greatihex:
yeah. I want him to leave too. He deserves better.

He should leave, so that we don't have to blame for our loses like we did morata until he left. He should leave so that we will know our level as a club.

Don't think someone dribbling on the sideline is ever that important to Chelsea.

Someone that will be hogging the ball and using our possession time for unproductive actions

There are many ways to win a football match, Hazard way is one of the most predictable and easiest to stop.

3 out of 7 seasons, we would have failed to qualify for UCL since Hazard came. That never happened before Hazard.

He should fück off, the unproductive, visionless, urgency lacking, lazy shakushaku dancer.

Greatihex:
that is what you think.

Whichever way you want to look at it, marina is still the one winning. The only case i thought marina would not have to balance her book is the case of jorginho, but i just realized now that she will still balance her book with the sale of morata and then the sale of hazard will balance that of pulisic with big gain. Fabregas and courtious were used to balance that of kepa.

Look closely, marina is concerned only with balancing her book in the transfer of players. If they can find a way to balance the book for a player the manager is looking for, they will get the player. That is all they are doing.

What the player has to bring to the team is no business of theirs

You not making sense. There is no club that does not balance books

There is no single player bought this season not sanctioned by Sarri. Sarri got almost everything he wanted.

Unlike Conte and JM, he did not blame the board for his fückups, he simply said he is unable to motivate this group of players.

Greatihex:
The thing is, as we are all emotional because of the lose, we will be blaming so so player and coach while forgetting the root cause of all the problem that have continued to be papered over by magician coaches like conte and mou.

The truth is, the fault is from the management.

That moment they must have to balance the book before player business must happen.
That moment there is no more room for experienced players this are over 30.
That moment they started the loan business, that was when the club started to decline.

No manager has been supported more than Sarri. Marina love Sarri and backed him in all his decisions.

He wanted Jogginho, he got him
He wanted Kovacic, he got him
The club was ready to let Courtois contract expire, Sarri said he does not want distraction of Courtois situation, Marina went and got Kepa £72m last minute for him

Sarri was offered choice of recalling Tammy or buying Piatek, he said no, he wants pregnant striker that shined for him 4 years ago.

Both Barca and PSG wanted Willian, Sarri said he is too important despite his contract soon expiring.

Sarri said he wants new contract for that useless Luiz, the club entered negotiations with him

Sarri has been backed more than any manager since Mourinho 2004-2006. Our fück up this season is solely on him.

Abramovic does not need to be physically present for you to know he is backing Sarri with serious cash. Abramovic is avoiding UK cos of political situation as he is on blacklist of those close to Putin Government.

Greatihex:
have all our players not become shakushaku dancers since sarri come? Abi you no see pedro today?


If a shakushaku dancer has been our best player for years and he is being priced away by Madrid with no equal replacement in site, don't you think we are in for a big mess?

No, he should fück off!