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Eastlink:
Lol, you still remember . fake Ogba boy. Dude could understand Igbo as well. Can you tell any red flag to Alabo's moniker

Even then, his rabid Igbophobia was in excess. Not even Ogba people could contain such hate for Ndiigbo.
I always suspected something was amiss. It's akin to ChinenyeN too.
Chai! These Ijaws have been on this mission for a long time.
It's akin to the parable of the Bible where the farmer was sleeping and enemies came and sowed tarres in his field. Ndiigbo have been asleep for a long time while these Creek hateful beings went about doing us "akpuruka".

He is same person as Alabo, right? And I think I already know his Facebook account name as well.

Eastlink:

Just like smelling shit I can perceive you from a distance Allen. Nice you responded with your real moniker. I really miss this Truckpusher moniker. Hope you still dey PDP?

I remember when he was claiming to be from Ogba with this moniker.

Beautiful. Igbo amaka.

BKayy:
Ooops "I am so scared"

My friend if you want to switch accounts, do so without making a drama out of it

OfoIgbo:
Long Live the Ruler of Bonny, for acting decisively in checkmating some Ijaw landgrabbers a few weeks ago.

The attached is a brief tutorial for Ijaws that are major fans of Basden

Very beautiful map.
And I'm happy that Ijaws here have endorsed Basden!
When the time is right, we will use Basden and run them out of town.

BlackSaints:
You never said all Okrika people are igbos, so why are you jumping on this thread like a monkey giving me unnecessary mention then? Abi your brain don knock or something ? And no, no Okrika migrated from Afam abi na Abam in ibo country whatever that fvck that is.
I'm not here to educate you,I am not your father, I'm only here to make it clear to you and your land grabbing igbo brothers that Okrika is 98%ijaw and 2% others. If you are looking for someone to educate you,go and meet worworboy you dig?

The Okirika people the Colonials met, narrated to them that their ancestors came from Afam in Igboland.
And even today when we look at Okirika, we see vestiges of Igbo in them.
Why are you Ijaws insisting that obvious hybrid groups made of Igbo, Ibibio and Ijaw in Rivers State like Okirika and Kalabari must be Ijaw and Ijaw alone while the other important two aspect of their origin be discarded?
Why are you not comfortable with your Bayelsa 4 LGA and few LGA of Delta state homeland?
Why do you insist that all historical accounts be discarded for your modern day land grab fraudulent stories?

In Eastern region, Kalabari, Okirika, were all regarded as independent groups.
These groups serve as melting points between the Igbo, the Ibibio and the Ijaw.
And you can go write it down somewhere, because I noticed that you lots are quick to threaten violence ("Come and claim it offline') each time you get beaten by historical facts in online debate, Ndiigbo will never allow Kalabari and Okirika stand as anything but independent ethnicities post Nigeria independence.
There is no Ijaw in Rivers State, and that's how it will be. You will be "touched" offline at the appropriate time to maintain this order, if you insist on physical confrontation rather than on factual historical documentation to settle issues.
Ijaw starts and ends in Bayelsa State. Any one not in Bayelsa who is claiming Ijaw will have to learn this at the appropriate time. It's not a threat, it's a promise, Ndiigbo will not allow hostile teeth filing Ijaws from Bayelsa and Delta to surround us in the East. You will be well and truly checkmated and contained.

Ekealterego:
Bro, I cannot go in circles, we have discussed and given enough information on this Bonny issue... except there is no information that you on the Ijaw got to provide 60 days after tearing you apart on three to four different threads.

Stick to the topic you opened. I was even willing to pay for some books to help you with whatever wild goose chase you are on with your Ijaw-Egypt connection. I could not get the book on the Yoruba comparison studies yet but I have made progress.

Slayerforever, Igboid, I was banned by the anti-spambot, I wanted to upload the information on the Igbo maritime prowess.
Edited
@Vintagepipes, thanks for the upload.

Ok. Thanks.
Vintagepipes did a good job in you absence.
Thanks to him too.

OfoIgbo:
Please teach me.

If I say, I am in your neighbourhood, it doesn't mean I am in your house. It just means I am somewhere nearby.

So, if I say, in the neighbourhood of Bonny, it could be a nearby territory, or a piece of territory surrounding Bonny.
Basden then used his map of Igboland to buttress his point. There are obviously coastal areas not very far from Bonny, which are not Igbo areas. But those areas he thinks, were not Igbo areas could also be Igbo areas.

The point I am making is that Basden wasn't very thorough, or not specific enough, for us to claim as a matter of certainty, that this was what he was alluding to. Once again, I suppose we have to rely on his map of Igboland, as it removed every ambiguity

All these your almajiri education will mess you up one of these days.

igboid, bkayy, slayerforever, ekealterego

You have put a nail on his coffin.
It's game, set and match!
Court dismissed!

Infact, Basden actually concede that Bonny is Igbo, because he was actually talking about
other coastalplacess neighboring Bonny where Igbos were not Aboriginals and not about Bonny itself.

OfoIgbo. Good job.

OfoIgbo:
And coming to think of it, NEIGHBOURHOOD OF BONNY, doesn't necessarily mean BONNY itself. I suppose that's why he sketched the map to show the true extent of Igboland, which obviously includes Bonny.

True.
I was about making a comment on that.
Neighborhood of Bonny simply means around. Bonny but not in Bonny itself.
And from the map, Ijaw is located in Neighborhood of Bonny.
It makes sense now.

OfoIgbo:
Thanks for this.

JANK23H you were yelling above that Basden's map of Igboland that I shared was never in Basden's book. Well access the archival link provided by igboid

Basden gave a description of Igboland and went on to represent it in a map.

You provided the map.
Now here is the description.
He noted also the Delta regions of the Igbo being of different topography as the hinterland.

OfoIgbo:
Igbos are also the kings of Bonny. Every amadabo must pay homage to my Igbo royal brodas.

Basden ma nigga has already showed you guys the extent of Igboland

By the way, this map is from Basden book.
You can check it out here: https://archive.org/details/amongibosofniger00basd/page/67/mode/1up?q=Bonny&view=theater

Just scroll to the last page.

OfoIgbo:
It didn't cancel one single thing, because you still haven't told us why the royal family of Bonny are of Igbo descent, and not Ijaw descent.

Also that map by Basden is a killer. He showed us the extent of Igboland

Ijaw desperation to annex Opobo and Bonny will cost them 2/3 of Bayelsa and the whole of Rivers State.

JANK23H:
You are the one over reaching.Accept your L and move on.Stop all these talk of interviewing chiefs.

Today every Bonny or Opobo person proudly and unequivocally identify as Ijo.

Like I did state in some thread.If you are great men would identify with you,some would rummage through history to have a connection to you.If the Bonny, Kalabari or Okrika people are doing that then there is nothing great about the Igbos.They proudly identify as Ijos,not just because they are,but because they want to be great.Igbos are begging for recognition.

This debate is over as far as I'm concerned.My job is done.

Unfollow thread next.

Desperation is getting the better of you.
Basden concluded that the Ibos in Bonny were "chiefly" of slave origin and evidently were not Indigenous there, he was only stating the obvious. The Ibo slaves of Bonny obviously we're not Indigenous there.
You have to understand the word "chiefly".
It also was silent on origin of the Bonny kings and chiefs.
Glynn, Baike and Captain Crow handled that.


Also by Basden admission.
Odual, Degema, Epie-Attisa, Engenni, Abua, are not Ijaws.
I wonder where that leaves you. I guess rightly confined in your 4 LGAs in Bayelsa?

JANK23H:
He wasn't just talking about Bonny,he was emphatic about the coastal areas of the delta.Igbos aren't indigenous to those areas.

That quashes everything you've brought up so far,weda na Baike or Crow o,it cancelled everything.It was a fullstop to the controversy.

Nope.
It proves nothing.
You are over reaching. Haha!
Basden never interviewed Bonny chiefs and couldn't have been able to make that conclusion.

JANK23H:
That was a scientific research and not a publication of someone's opinion.Do you think Basden wasn't aware of the memoir of Crow ?He knew about it hence the reason he was categorical.He started collecting data from 1900.

The snippet attached was a clear indicator that he was aware of other contributors.

Basden talked of Igbo slaves in Bonny being non Indigenous.
He made no note on Bonny chiefs and kings.
Is this piece of information lost on you?

Those who made notes on Bonny kings and chiefs all without exception got told by the kings that they were of Igbo origin.

That's the missing link to the blank Basden left.
Glynn, Captain Crow and Baike gave us unfiltered info on the origin of Bonny kings and early Aboriginals which Basden didn't, except the recognition that the Igbo slaves in Bonny were not Indigenous to the lsland. That's like stating the obvious. Of course they are not Indigenous there.
But the Indigenous Bonny kings were all of Igbo origin! Glynn, Captain Crow and Baike told us this. Basden never contradicted this as at no point did he claim that head of Bonny houses and the kings were Ijaw or Igbo. He was blank on that.

You are basically trying to build something on nothing!
To be able to overrule Captain Crow, Arthur Glynn, Talbot, and Baike take on Igbo origin of Bonny Aboriginals and kings.
You would have to show where Basden claimed they were Ijaw! And even if you could, which is impossible because Basden never said such, it would only be Basden vs Glynn, Baike, Captain Crow and Talbot.
That's 1 vs 4.

JANK23H:
Take time to read that book and understand his research approach.Leave all that talk of asking chiefs.You don't know the history of a place by only asking chiefs.What kind of yeye argument is that?

It's very important, because Basden was particular at the Igbo slaves he. Found on Bonny who were rightly not Indigenous there, and then erroneously extrapolated to cover everything else Igbo in Bonny.
At no point did he try to find out the origin of the heads of houses of Bonny.
He ignorantly assumed them to be non Igbo even without getting any information on that from them.
Basden opinion on this is therefore flawed and pales in comparison when placed side by side with those of Captain Crow, Baike and Glynn who interviewed both the Igbo slaves and Kings of Bonny.

Thank you.

Ofodirinwa:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCJTMMe2Dro

Some of you lack tact.
What exactly is the aim of this thread?

JANK23H:
Tell me the title of the Talbot book you quoted?

Tribes of the Niger Delta and their religion.

Alabo7978:
You and crow's disasterpieace again.

You too like weeded, fallacious and obsolete works.

What about Talbot, Glynn or Baike?

JANK23H:
That map showed where Igbos are located which included Bonny.Before then however,he had introduced a caveat that Igbos weren't indigenous to Bonny.I saw the map,so what's there to cry about?

Basden at no point interviewed the chiefs of Bonny on their origin.
Infact his work was never about the origin of Bonny.
He merely assumed that because the majority of the slaves were of Igbo origin and because Igbo hinterland was far away, therefore Igbos were not Indigenous to Bonny.

If he interviewed the Bonny chiefs and asked for list of past Bonny kings and their Origin like Arthur Glynn, William Baike and Captain Crow all did.
He would have gotten the same story of Bonny founder being an Igbo from Igbo hinterland!.
See Glynn, Baike, and Captain Crow quotes on that.

JANK23H:
I don't take Crow's memoir seriously,so you are wasting your time showing me

Yet you rushed to quote Talbot who only made a guess using "Perhaps" on the antiquity of Ijaw, while directly quoting same Captain Crow you don't take serious on the Igbo origin of Bonny!

You don't take Captain Crow serious, but you quote a book written by a man who took him serious enough to quote him.

OfoIgbo:
I will be happy for you to also attach the map of Igboland that Basden drew. That will make you cry.

Igboid take note. Basden killed Ijaws with the map of Igboland that he sketched in his book

Please don't wait for him. They are usually allergic to any historical document not printed in the 60s upwards, when they started their revisionism.
If you have the map, share it to edify the audience.
I see many people peeping in as guests.

Eastlink:
I made this same theory too after observing some fishy traits about the Ijaws. Dede1 was consistent and when I did my hypotesis everything proved that Dede was right.

Ijaws came journeyed with the Portuguese ships to our shores from their habitations in Togo, Ivory Coast, Ghana and Sierra-Leone.

Finding the earliest Ijaw homeland among the following countries will take a bit of historical research and cultural/linguistic similarities to find the truth. Looking at the Ijaw language, maternalistic culture, physical pigmentation and names like Ofori, Nana, Pere etc you can tell that Akan connections.

How the Ijaw population later subdued the indigenous communities needs to be studies as well. Did the Portuguese arm these Ijaw migrants with guns as was done with the Benin's to help subdue and penetrate the sorrounding tribes?

Ndiigbo as a people in due time will need to spend big to unravel and expose the conspiracy surrounding the Ijaw sudden appearance in our coasts.

Yes! Dede Chibu had shown how the Portuguese created the Bini tribe to help them in their slave raids.
But they didn't need such in the East, since the Efiks and Bonny Igbos were already playing along.
But again you wonder why the Efik who were the main players in the slave trade with Portuguese in the East initially had to be expanded westwards by moving them to Bom(old name for the land where New Calabar was founded) and then have their numbers swelled up quickly with the aid of Aros and their Abam and Edda warriors.

What was the plan?

JANK23H:
SMH

You still don't get the point,do you?

There were two versions,Efik and Ijo.The Aros conducted them to Bakana,it wasn't stated that the Aros settled with them.That's the Efik version.No Aro/Igbo connection.

However,the Ijo version is totally different.

The question is,what do the people call themselves?The continuous attempt by Igbos to force other ethnicities to identify with them reeks of desperation and inferiority complex.

Through the memoirs of Captain Crow, we know that Aros not only conducted the Efik founders of New Calabar, but settled among them and ruled them as kings.
See receipt below. Captain Crow noted that the majority of the inhabitants of New Calabar and Bonny as of that point in time were on the majority Igbos, the kings of Bonny and New Calabar were of Igbo origin too.

Also, Asari Dokubo admitted that his great grandfather was of Abam( Aro) origin and ruled Buguma!

https://www.nairaland.com/500126/true-extent-alaigbo-igboland/8

This is an old thread on Igbo true extent which ended in hot debate on Opobo and Bonny.
We couldn't finish the job then because Ijaws had a spy in ChinenyeN who claimed Ngwa and worked greatly against Ndiigbo here undetected.
You could see Dede1 contributions on that thread as well.

BKayy:
Wow. This is interesting. They say great minds think alike.
I am not surprised

But why did all the early anthropologists all ignored this fact.
Why did none of them mention it!
I mean, a simple look at Ijaw skin color and their language shows that they are aliens and not native to southern NIGERIA.
They have nothing in common with the Indigenous Edoid, Igboid,Yoruboid and Ibibiod Aboriginals of Southern Nigeria.
Their language also sticks out.
European porters brought them to our shores, yet they mysteriously failed to record and state it clearly in all their memoirs.

Something is fishy.

What do you think?

BKayy:
Who is Dede1?
Nna, I am the one pointing that fact out since time immemorial

There is an old timer here, a Biafra civil war veteran by the name Dede1.
As early as 2007, he came up with the theory on this forum that Ijaws were porters who accompanied Portuguese slave ships from Sierra Leone and Ghana to our coasts in Niger Delta.
It appeared outlandish and out of place then.

BKayy:
Hope you saw where the author clearly stated "until they met Portuguese ships"

When Bkayy tell people that Ijaws are people the European ships dropped at our coasts some with little knowledge will be nonsense.

The snippet clearly stated that the territory Kalabari is dwelling is Igbo country. Well it is time will tell not arguments on nairaland.
Anybody that doubts that the place is Igboland should go and ask them in Kalabari what "Bom" is.

Yes I saw it, the Portuguese ship part.

Could that be the confirmation of what we have always suspected, which is that Ijaws are truly descendants of ship porters from Sierra Leone, Liberia, Ghana,Togo and other coastal West Africa, who accompanied the Portuguese ships to our shores?

I remember Dede1 (Deridegul) kept hitting on this link between Ijaw sudden appearance in Southern Nigeria and the appearance of Portuguese slave ships!

BKayy:
I don't care about how twisted it might look like. The fact is that the land is Igbo territory and most of the natives are of Igbo descent.

Every author as of them confirmed that their leaders are of Igbo descent. The place was already inhabited by Igbo people before other groups were introduced.

The least Ndiigbo will accept is New Calabar standing as an independent municipality like Monaco.
Never will we accept an Ijaw annexed New Calabar post NIGERIA dissolution.

JANK23H:
Igboid stop cherry-picking ideas from a book or article. It clearly stated there were two versions. The Efik version and Ijo version.No where was it explicitly stated they were Igbos.Na wa for una o

Nope.
But it was stated that Aros accompanied them from old Calabar to their current location.
So we know that they had Igbo components right from the beginning, even before they had contacts with Ijaws.
Captain Crow confirmed that the King of New Calabar was of Igbo origin.
You can't rule a people if you don't settle amongst them.

The whole point is that New Calabar is a hybrid group, and in the future, Ndiigbo will never accept them being annexed by Ijaws.
We will insist they remain as an independent nation connecting the Igbos, Ibibios (Efik) and Ijaws as they use to be in the old Eastern region before the unfortunate events of 1967-70, and not claimed by Ijaws single handedly as has been the case since after 1970.

Senomii:
Gedafvck out of my sight abeg
All your brothers stayed for years in my father and his brothers shops refusing to pay one dime as rent, b4 they angrily sold everywhere to wike, so many times they had to involve the police,

I've disowned where I am from, I'm not a part and will never ever be a part of that your cursed tribe always looking for whose sense to use...........spits

You lots should look at yourselves carefully in the mirror, accept criticisms and fix your pathetic motherfvckin lives

I repeat y'all should find a solution to fix y'all fuvkin lives, y'all ain't normal, y'all are heavily cursed

Mr Man.
Ndiigbo are not the reason why you are frustrated in this life.
Go and hustle and make money and stop hating a people better than you and wherever hole you crawled out from.