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benalvino: after this he will try to explain revelation for us... that one no way to even dodge am.

deSika: i intentionally wrote out all the verses i brought up, but as always yu skipped them and only highlighted malachi and isaiah 48. thats dodgetiantis.

i didnt dodge verse 14 and 15 see this


the problem is that i dont see where Cyrus spoke in that verse. thats what am asking you to show me. i hope you know that ministry of the messiah covers both jews and gentiles including babylon. ok

benalvino: the question still remains... is the father Lord or not? if Jesus is the only LORD why is the father also LORD?
you are not addressing this... all you will say is he appoints.

benalvino: so that means the Father is not the Lord na? but guess what the father is also the LORD.

benalvino: forget the question mark on my post...
this is what we are saying... that God is the savior, jesus is the savior... yet we have one savior Jesus and one savior the father.

benalvino: so called gods... you can call anything god. in even there are things... like throne angels etc. you can call anyone god that's what he means.

benalvino: yep... he is talking about sacrifice made to idols... read from 5-7 bro...
when they say people worship pagan god during Christmas period people celebrating Christmas knows who they are doing it for... this verse is a good example... whether those food they sacrifice for gods u eat them he no matter cause you know the true God... that's what the verse is about.

benalvino: @ ijawkid oya this verse will shut you up... don't call your self GOD again...
see the full story of the verse you quote for me.
1 Corinthians 8:4-7
So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled.

true2god: U r always slow in learning or just a hypocrite. Since u say we r all gods (including u, me and Jesus), r u also a mighty God, since u and Jesus are in the same category as u r tot?

U have shifted frm Jesus being:
1) a spirit being
2) an angel
3) a god
4) only begotten
5) first begotten, wat else will u guys not say\teach about Jesus cos the light is still getting brighter.

So an angel according to u is qualified to be 'a mighty God' even tho' the bible u carry says otherwise. Guy u need to get urself examined cos i believe as a graduate u did a simple logic at the uni.

benalvino: you wish wetin you don meet us wetin you don do?

when you quote Corinthians shoot your own leg... from NWT it said even though there are those who are called god
which means they not God they are just called that... that is why they are idols... its the difference am trying to show you.

Bidam: comot for road.no be the same pattern you dey use for this thread? na polytheism u dey do..best go for your aptitude test joor..Jesus is Yahweh.

benalvino: what of you wey they always talk about appointment like say na job... how can you be Lord and appoint someone lord then others says there is only one lord and you are not the lord despite you appoint the person lord. lol... you see how he be...

deSika: your dodgentiantis no see isaiah 42 and 61 abi, hosea 1:7, zech 2: 10,11, malachi 3:1 am waiting for you on those verses

isaiah 48:16
i have not spoken in secret from the time that it was, there am i: and now the lord God and his spirit hath sent me

compare with
isaiah 45:19 so you will know who is speaking



then when you are done, come and tell me who was also saying in Zech 2:8 and 11 who was sent by the Lord of Hosts.

the truth is what i bring to you, will you accept it. there is a more than one person nature about God. these persons are three yet act as one.

deSika: Christian: Let me ask you only one question and after you answer it, I’ll answer any question you want. First I need to clarify a few things. In the New World Translation, John 1:1 reads: “In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” Then in Isaiah 9:6 (NWT) we read: “For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.” So then, does Jehovah equal almighty God?

JW: Yes.

C: Now Jesus isn’t Jehovah, right?

JW: That’s right.

C: Jesus equals a Mighty God?

JW: That is correct.

C: Is Jehovah a true God or a false God?

JW: Jehovah is a true God.

C: Is Jesus a true God or a false God?

JW: Jesus is a true God.

C: Okay, here’s my question: How can you believe there are two true Gods when the Bible says there is only one God? After all, it says in Isaiah 43:10-11 (NWT), “Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.” And Isa: 44:6 (NWT) says: “I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.”

JW: That passage is teaching that there are no capital “G” gods.

C: Hebrew doesn’t have capital letters so the capitalization of the “G” in those passages is an insertion by the NW translators to make us believe there are two categories of gods. It is equivalent to their just inserting the word “almighty” in the text. If the Lord had wanted to proclaim that “besides me there is no Almighty God” instead of what it really says, “beside me there is no god,” He could easily have had Isaiah insert the word “Almighty” in those passages. But He didn’t.

JW: Well, we only worship one God.

C: If I only loved one wife but was married to two women, I would still be a polygamist and your believing there are two true Gods even though you only worship one of them still makes you a polytheist. The Bible says there is only one God.

JW: But the Bible calls Satan a God.

C: Is Satan a true God or a false God?

JW: A false God.

C: You still have two true Gods.

JW: But in Ex. 4:16 (NWT) it says that Moses “will serve as God to him [Pharaoh].”

C: It says Moses will serve “as God.” In other translations of this verse it says Moses will be “like God” to him. Do you see a difference between serving “as” God or “like” God and really being a god? For example, if I said an older woman was “as a mother to me” it wouldn’t mean that I actually came out of her womb, right? Do you see the difference?”

JW: But the word “God” is just a title that can be used for those on the side of God.

C: Then there would be lots of true Gods, but John 17:3 (NWT) says “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” If that’s true, how could you say that Jesus is a true God?

JW: As I said, we only worship one God.

C: But I’m not asking about how many Gods you worship, I’m asking about how many Gods you think are true. Can you think of a time when someone says that ‘X’ is the ‘only true’ ‘X’ that it doesn’t make everything else in that category false? If there God is the ‘only true’ God then any other god must be a false god, but you have already said that Jehovah and Jesus are both true Gods and that makes… count them… two true Gods.

JW: 1 Cor. 8:4-6 says “…there is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called ‘gods,’ whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords,’ there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.” See, the Father is God, not Jesus.

C: But you’ve already agreed there are two true Gods and this passage says there is only one God.

JW: You’re talking about the Trinity.

C: No, I’m pointing out that Jehovah’s Witnesses are polytheists who believe there is more than one true God, even though the Bible tells us there is only one true God.

JW: We didn’t come here to argue. [What?]

C: Okay, well, if you want to bring someone back, I’ll be glad to talk with them. [That hasn’t happened yet.]

This is all about logic. After all, if there is one God and if there are three persons in the Bible called God, then the three persons must be the one God. It is no surprise that I have yet to hear a coherent answer. I carried on an email dialog with one JW and after several months she ended our discussion with, “You just like to go around and destroy other people’s religions!”



http://www.clayjones.net/2010/08/a-question-the-jehovah%E2%80%99s-witnesses-can%E2%80%99t-answer/

benalvino: he is not delusional we have to hear 2 sides of the story and I respect him having his point of view... lol

benalvino: we don pass here but I will also ask how come the one lord is jesus yet the father is lord... what about the one savior jesus yet the father is a savior.

that verse is another verse that put gods to bad light...
if you call anything god... they are mare idols. easy as that.
for india elephant
snake
rat
even weed na god.
so no worry

true2god: Guy u r talking rubish! The bible called men gods and not GOD(S) as u put it. Ur NWTtranslation called the son 'mighty Jehovah' (isaiah 9:6 NWT).

Are u also mighty Jehovah?

benalvino: bro thanks for shooting your self in the foot... you forgot to read from 5-7... it is saying but even if... that statement alone shows that he is talking about One God and One lord... and it also proves that that verse is saying there are no Gods... and even if there are socalled they are idols... simple same thing am telling you.

For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled.

deSika: am waiting....who was sent

clue: show where Cyrus altered a single word in those verses

the personthat spoke in verse 14 and 15 is he different from the person thatsaid in verse 13: mine hand hath also laid the foundation........when i call unto them, they stand up together. [then enter verse 14] all ye, assemble yourselves and hear

am waiting
who spoke

true2god: Dats a skill an average JW is trained, to defend wats in the watchtower magazine at all cost. Part of the training is for an average JW to understand patterns for answering evry questions directed at dem dat ordinarily dey will not hav answers for.

Its unfortunate that only a poor student study that way, no room for independent tinkin. Accept wat u r told hook, line and sinker or else u r going into apostasy. But they will soon adjust cos good number of dem will still go back home and do a personal study with respect to all the expositions given to dem.

Well done guy!.

benalvino: lol you said we are all God.

so we are God

why do we die?

how can the father God not die

then we as God die? its because we are not God.

unless we as gods are idols. and he is God alone. he says there is non beside him

deSika: i have cleared up that one for you man. its a situation of pronoun and noun.

its different when the person is actually talking. forexample when deSika tells you that deSika has sent him. dont you get it. who is the Yahwah that sent the other Yahweh. did he send himself. am sure you get it now

what you need to do foryourself is to show where Cyrus made a speech in that verse, where he called himsellf Yahweh and then said another Yahweh sent him.

but as it stands. the Yahweh who spoke also gave us hint that he created everything, which your Cyrus did not do, he also said there is no God beside him. then before he now said Yahweh and his spirit has sent him.

so do yourself the favour settledown and read Isaiah 45 - 48 and then see who has been speaking all aloong and who said Yahweh has sent him

peace

deSika: hehehe uhm so wat about chapter 42 and 61.

stop confusing yourself
first start with who was speaking.

isaiah 48:16
come ye near unto me, hear ye this; i have not spoken in secret from [size=16pt] the beginning; [/size] from the time that it was, there am I: and now [size=14pt] THE LORD GOD, [/size] and his [size=14pt] SPIRIT [/size] Hath sent [size=14pt] ME [/size]


who is saying
come ye near unto me, hear ye this; i have not spoken in secret from [size=16pt] the beginning; [/size] from the time that it was, there am I:

who is saying in verse 13
mine hand has also laid the foundation of the earth

deSika: which prophecy are you talking about.
the one in
isaiah 48:16 or 42:1 or 61:1.

the message is clear, stop dancing around.

you asked why must it be three and i have shown you
there you have your three persons involved

benalvino: then you ask can GOD die... you see your self?
everything is God by nature even the water sand air.... wood... rat they are all GOD. thank you lol.

if he is god why will GOD made him god again?

benalvino: what are you God over? tell me o... anyone answering god as a title is nothing but an idol because he was made a god by man and not a God by nature. god men cannot create GOD can create. even woods are gods and they are idol. if Jesus was an Idol then Jehovah would have to destroy him. easy bible says so... exodus made it clear. you cannot go to other gods for salvation. We go to GOD. Jesus is GOD...

jesus correct who?
show me verse...
and why did he call him self the almighty?

benalvino: Isaiah was drunk when he calls Jesus GOD or when he says he will see GOD when he resurrect? john was drunk when he called Jesus the Word GOD and Thomas was delusional when he called Jesus his Lord and his GOD?

benalvino: nope... he sees the son as GOD... and yet there is one GOD

benalvino: There is no running away from here. Isahiah is one person that sees Jesus as God... John said it. It was glaring... Because of that automatically we became God like Jesus... Lmao what are we God over? Animals like lions or snake that kills hundred of people everyday?

deSika: bro, i noticed you ran away from my thread, not responding to the bible verses i brought to you from the old testament. seems you just derive pleasure living in falsehood.