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logicboy: LMAO!!


Na so you miss me?

Where u go shuk head na??

U con scarce like fuel.....

Lol

buzugee: have they been thrown into atheist hell ? nobody see their breaklight today. for the unenlightened, tweedledee and tweedledum is Logicboy and Logic Mind

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

E be like them go smoke more igbo.....

buzugee: he was a nice juicy chicken meant to be cooked with spinach

Chei buzugee...

I don craze for laugh finish o....

All this na dream o

frosbel: Agreed ??

I didn't say I agree with you.

If the bible says everlasting, surely everlasting punishment means eternal punishment !!

Remember the rich man in hell .

Was that situation of d rich man and lazaruz a parable or a real life story??

Remember john 3:16 simply says all those who don't exercose faith in d ransom sacrifice of Yehshua will be what??

King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his
only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in
him should not perish, but have everlasting
life.


What does perish mean anyway??

The lake of fire is 2nd death.....

Total death/destruction of d wicked and satan....

Sodom and gomorah suffered from eternal fire........
Jude 7
Is d city still burning till today??

Total destruction bro is my take

buzugee: means you were a bird in past life

Lol

Ya'all comments are so funny....

What specie of bird was he in his former life??

ZUBY77: It means you are going to become a politician. You will climb to the top and refuse to cpme down like ghadafi. Just pray americans dont remember you

Lmao......

So ya advice is,he shuld run away fro… that dream...lol
.

frosbel: Brothers and Sisters in Christ , can we discuss this topic.

In your opinion is the lake of fire forever and ever, burning with no rest day and night or is this everlasting destruction from the presence of GOD.

Let me know your thoughts which have to be backed up by scripture, I do not want made up , invented, personal or emotional opinions or points of view , thanks.


Some verses to consider :

"They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power" - 2 Thessalonians 1:9

Isaiah 1:28 But rebels and sinners will both be broken, and those who forsake the LORD will perish.

Philippians 3:19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels " - Matthew 25:41

I agree with the everlasting destruction...

D bible explained itself from the 1theselonnians u quoted....

The lake of fire can't be literal...

Because death,hell and all d kings of d earth and satan will be thrown into it....

It signifies total destruction....

Agreed!!

frosbel: Total nonsense

Hahahahahahahahaha.....


U aint seen nothing....

With buzugee u gotta always be ready for anything.....

But I agree with d spiritual death thing....

Ofcus d fire aint literal or physical

buzugee: the lake of fire is used in dichotomy in the bible. it means 2 things.
1-whatever is being discussed will be eradicated. gotten rid off. will exist no more. for example

revelation 20 vs 14 And death and hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. now in this instance it is a metaphor for ' will be eradicated '. this means spiritual death and suffering will be eradicated when the lords kingdom is established on earth

2- The second instance, it literally means a burning fire. However this is not an everlasting fire, but it is an intense sulphur laden thermonuclear fire. this will only happen to people who reside in america because it is the home to every vile and corrupt and hateful bird in the world ( revelation 18 vs 2 ).

revelation 19 vs 20[b] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.[/b] ( the beast, the woman with the purple outfit and rich jewellery that has LovePeddler written on her forhead and has a cup full of all the abominable and detestable things in the world is america )

Lol..

Buzugee..

U and america...

U better leave dat country b4 that calamity befalls the u.s of A....lol

buzugee: the lake of fire is used in dichotomy in the bible. it means 2 things.
1-whatever is being discussed will be eradicated. gotten rid off. will exist no more. for example

revelation 20 vs 14 And death and hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. now in this instance it is a metaphor for ' will be eradicated '. this means spiritual death and suffering will be eradicated when the lords kingdom is established on earth

2- The second instance, it literally means a burning fire. However this is not an everlasting fire, but it is an intense sulphur laden thermonuclear fire. this will only happen to people who reside in america because it is the home to every vile and corrupt and hateful bird in the world ( revelation 18 vs 2 ).

revelation 19 vs 20[b] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.[/b] ( the beast, the woman with the purple outfit and rich jewellery that has LovePeddler written on her forhead and has a cup full of all the abominable and detestable things in the world is america )

Lol..

Buzugee..

U and america...

U better leave dat country b4 that calamity befalls the u.s of A....lol

ckkris: Odunnu shouldn't be making afang soup, that's what Ekaette does superlatively. Just make bitter leaf soup, or, uziza that works wonders in the romantic rainy season. But don't create any christian section, ain't necessary, ain't wise.

Wetin soups dey find for this thread??lol

I feel a christian thread shuldnt be made...

Let's just leave it d way it is...

We need to convert these atheists some day..lol

haibe: and didnt you hear Jesus words again 'i and my fada are one',
'if u av seen me u av sin my fada'
didnt u hear dis words?

And didn't u hear Jesus say ""we are one with him and with the Father"??

Just as Jesus is one with the Father,so we(christians) are one with him,Jesus in us,the Father in Jesus,and both the Father and son in us.....

Oneness denotes unity and agreement..

If u've seen a true christian u have seen Jesus Christ......

That is why we are christians.....



How many times I go explain this same thing??

The 1john 5:7 $ 8 u guys use in supporting d trinity even explains what oneness means.....

Let's analyze verse 8,because I know verse 7 in d KJV was a latin vulgate extract(spurious addition).....

New International Version (©1984)
the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the
three are in agreement.
New Living Translation (©2007)
the Spirit, the water, and the blood--and all
three agree.
English Standard Version (©2001)
the Spirit and the water and the blood; and
these three agree.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
the Spirit and the water and the blood; and
the three are in agreement.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And there are three that bear witness in
earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood:
and these three agree in one

When d scritptures say the spirit,water and blood are one,u can actually see what it means.....

We can't assume that the water=blood=spirit.....

That'll be absurd.....

They are different entities that are in agreement,in unity...

ckkris: Ijawkid is a polytheist, and he has the right to be whatever he CHOOSES to be. His only problem is trying to use the Holy Bible of absolute monotheism to justify such injurious and futile belief.

Oboy no do o...

I'm a strict unitarian like Jesus was and is....

Jesus worshipped one God......

And that's whom I immitate...

Not some popes and emperors who have made worship of triad Gods a custom.....

Didn't u hear Jesus words..

""Listen O isreal,Yahweh our God is 1 Yahweh(God)""

I'm a unitarian like d Jews my nigga......

Christianity shuldnt change that......

Mans philosophy is what has brought all this chaos..

Goshen....

Do u use a bb??

We culd have a good one on one chat...

I'll like that bro..

Goshen360: ^
So if you ask me, na who I go ask?

Abeg leave matter for Mathias,lolz. We know in part and we understand in part. I have taken side with you on this Trinity matter IF only your believe is that, Jesus is NOT Yahweh. This is very clear from the scriptures. Yahweh is God, Jesus is God and Holy Spirit is God but they are distinct and that is even the more reason we have 3 persons in Trinity. This is very simple, If Jesus is same Yahweh, then we will NOT have Trinity, we should be talking about Twonity. That is what I believe the saying of Jesus is Yahweh will interpret.

Those who belive Yahweh is Jesus and Jesus is Yahweh are modalist...........

U knw d modalism dogma existed before d trinity dogma....

In trying to run away from modalism guys like tertullian landed mÀny persons into trinity..
Another wahala on its own that is still being probed and disapproved...lol

If u agree that Yahweh is a totally different entity from Jesus his son then that is enough for me..........

But have u read about that doctrine??

KENOTIC doctrine??

Do a lil research on it.........

haibe: D̶̲̅σ you also believe Jesus is a god and not God?, how can Jesus be a god, that makes it two different gods and. God said he is one. Its you people that make them call christians polytheists

Nope nt polytheist....

He is a God in d sense that he is Godlike....

He is supernatural......

Powerful....

Not that he is Yahweh.......

I thought I had quoted 1corinthians 8:5 $ 6 for you.....

All d angels in heaven are Gods.....

Angel gabriel is a GÓd.....

If an angel stood in front of u ,u'll have no choice but to bow down and worship him....

Because u have never seen such brightness and power b4.....

Did u look up all d definitions of divine....

All my argument here is that Jesus is not Yahweh.....

Look up this scripture and see who Jesus said we shuld direct exclusivÉ worship to...

Read matthew 4:10...

Just critically study Jesus's reply to satan....

Then u'll rili understand what I've been talkin about

New International Version (NIV)
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan!
For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God,
and serve him only.’[a]”

Jesus ofcus wasn't telin satan to worship Him....


Jesus was defÍnitly referin to Yahweh


Satan who knew Jesus long ago b4 we were created or even b4 d world was created knew Jesus wasnt Yahweh.....


Infact that's d reason why he tempted Jesus's faithfulness and loyalty to Yahweh......

The last person satan will dare tempt is Yahweh.......



But Jesus's firm reply is what assures me of who deserves our whole worship.......

Jesus even re-quoted from deutronomy and gave satan that affirmative answer....

logicboy: I understand you. America is corrupt but Nigerians should not overlook their problems when criticizing America.


Uruguay plays good football!

Yeah forlan and suarez play good football.....

1 thing I really dnt like about 9ja is that behind that religious facade lies wickedness and corruption......

Its too painful.....

I mean its either 1 calls God and do d right thing or don't call on God and do d vile things....

U see were pastors and clerics support corruption and tell u God is in control....

The hypocrisy its just do glaring..........

buzugee: which one be kenotic doctrine again ? na wa oooo

Oboy na so I see am o....

I explain am for d post....lol

Trinity wahala no be here o...

The confusion wey e don aggravate na big wahala.........lol

Na him make I dey ask this question...

Deep Sight: There is only a choice between goat-like foolishness and reality.

Abeg explain....lol

5solas: Where do you place Jesus and the Holy Spirit, are they divine?

What does divine mean??

Let's check it up from d dictionary....

Would u join me

I agree Jesus is divine......

These are d definitions of DIVINE;;:::


Godlike,perfect,Godly,superhuman,supernatural,spiritual,sanctified,magnificent,immaculate,sÀcred,deÍstic....


So I believe Jesus is divine...

But what I would never bÉlieve in even if a gun is put to my head is that Jesus is Yahweh......


Never will believe that Jesus is equal to his
Father

Goshen360: My brother,

It's NOT the doctrine of Trinity that has problem. Trust me when I tell you something. I am NOT claiming to "know" ALL but one thing I do. Before I swallow any teaching, I check very well. Trinity is a bible doctrine (from Genesis to revelation) BUT the way "many or some" people explain it makes it complicated and difficult to understand. If Jesus emptied himself of divinity and left the memory in heaven, how come he told the Jews who don't believed him but hold on to the believe of their father Abraham that, "before Abraham was, I am". In this text, he remembered his divinity. We can pull out many scriptures to refute that teachings.

However, Trinity is NOT a man-made doctrine, It is BIBLE doctrine. The way we explain it differs though. Also, many of us simple don't know the principles of BIBLE INTERPRETATION. When you interpret the bible, you don't "spiritualize" the TEXT. You can spiritualize the TEXT when you apply the TEXT to your life. It is because people spiritualize the TEXT is the reason for many confusion and distortions of ONE bible. Imagine we have ONE bible and people say MANY things on/from one bible. We can prove Trinity since the bible says prove "ALL" things and hold fast to that which is good but our explanation must be made simple. I believe in "Trinity". Jesus is God. The Father is God. Holy Spirit is God. They are ONE as Unity, NOT as Entity and distinct from the other, not the SAME (ONE) splited into THREE. Jesus as God is NOT the same as the Father and the Father is NOT Jesus and the Holy Spirit is NOT Jesus neither the Father.

Goshen my brethren u seem to be @ d middle....

Ya mates both believe in modalism and d trinity combined together...

Ur colleagues in d other post said that d reason why Jesus said the ""Father is greater than I am"" and when he said"" only the Father knows when d end will come"" that he said those things becos he was human...

But those same persons still claim Jesus was fully God and human when on earth......

Its absurd how they try to combine contradictory doctrines....

Like u said in d other page,if Jesus was God on earth then he couldn't have died...God does nt die,,,,....but d trinity dogma fosters that idea....

U seem to have a soft pedal on this doctrine.....

Ur mates dnt even believe Jesus and Yahweh are different persons....

That's d problem I've been having with them


So my question still remains.....

Which do many choose....

The kenotic dogma or d council of niceas doctrine??

Its either 1 or the other

@goshen.....

Do u believe mary is the mother of almighty God(Yahweh=Jesus=holyspirit) ??


Trinity can get us crazy bro.....
Lol....

The implications of believin in d trinity is so absurd and thus leads to more heresy .......

Goshen360: @ Ijawkid,

Question for you and simple answer, no beating about the bush please

Do you believe Jesus is God.....in this context, God, the Son? Yes or NO

Although I haven't seen or heard of the word "" GOD the SON"" in d bible b4,I know and believe that Jesus is divine or a God..

I'm not a muslim so I know Jesus in heaven....

But I worship Yahweh because I can't worship 2 Gods.....

And when I mean worship its not just showing sign of reverence or bowing down or paying homage


I mean worship in every sense...

I can remember well that nobody brought animal sacrifices b4 Jesus when he was on earth or made animal sacrifices to him.....

No normal sane isrealite could have done that because they knew Jesus wasn't or isn't Yahweh..........

I worship Yahweh....

Jesus is my high priest that intercedes for me and you to Yahweh......

If I worshiped Jesus I won't have to say ""IN JESUS NAME""

That word or slogan as it may be would be useless.....

I understand d role Jesus plays but he can't and will never be Yahweh........

Abraham and isaac and all those faithful patriarchs who didn't worship Jesus will still inherit Gods kingdom.......

Jesus didn't come to distabilize our worship to Yahweh,he only came to make our access to Yahweh better and perfect.......

As d perfect high priest of Yahweh.......

nyameke: I also posted this about Yashua

God came in the flesh as Jesus to deliver and save us from sin..God came manifested into this plane of existence as Jesus.. Also be aware that Jesus given name in the bible is Yashua and not Jesus. The translators called him Jesus..

And you shall call Him Yahshua, for He will save his people from their sins,” says Matthew 1:21.

In the gospels, the Messiah said that He came in His Father’s name – the name of YHWH. The messiah also told us that " I and the father are one "How is YHWH Yahshua’s/Jesus name? Or how is Jesus and God one and the same?

The name Yahshua is a compound word, made up of two Hebrew phrases. First, YAH is a shortened version of the name of YHWH. The Name YAH is a poetic form of YHWH, found throughout the Psalms. The KJV says, “Sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name YAH, and rejoice before him,” Psalm 68:4. Secondly, “shua” is a Hebrew word meaning to “deliver, turn, save, or salvation.” When these two words are put together, the Savior’s true name is revealed:

“YAH” + “shua” = “YHWH is salvation” = Yahshua=Jesus ( English translation )

Mind u Joshua of old answered this Yehshua even b4 Jesus came to d earth...........

The name Yehshua alone tells u even that he is not Yahweh.....

From ya analogy it means those who answered names such as Jehoshaphat,Joshua which is also Yehshua,Josiah,Jehoikim all are Yahweh....

Jesus having Yahwehs name attached to him is even a good evidence why he is not Yahweh.....



I want u to show me from d scriptures where it says Yahweh is d head of d Godhead?

Pls don't bring in ur own idealogy...please use d scriptures......

And 1 other question for u....


From all ya running here and there to prove. Jesus is Yahweh and Yahweh is Jesus,can u please from ur trinity/pagan triad doctrine prove that the holy spirit is Jesus christ?


From d trinity dogma

Yahweh=Jesus=holyspirit=almighty God....

Can we suggest or follow d rule by saying that
Jesus=holy spirit


Can we say when Jesus was on earth he was d same as the holy spirit??

Or can we say the holy spirit died for us??

ok if u say also that Yahweh is d head of the God head then who makes up the tail of it??

Is Jesus d holy spirit??

If Yes prove where it says the holy spirit died for us...

If NO,then d trinity is just another pagan blunder

haibe: @ijawkid who do u see jesus as?

I see Jesus as d son of Yahweh.....gbam!!!!!

Not d same with Yahweh,but as a servant and high priest of Yahweh................

I see Jesus as our mediator that talks to Yahweh for us.....

Jesus is like Yahwehs secretary....

We can't get to Yahweh unless we pass thru his high priest...........

I see Jesus as Yahwehs subordinate...(1corinthians 11;3)

I see Jesus as Yahwehs king designate........

This facts dnt change d fact I adore and honor Jesus....

It only makes me know d line of headship and who I'm to direct exclusive devotion to......

If Jesus is running errands for Yahweh,making intercessions for all of us,pleading on our behalf to Yahweh then I appreciate all that..that's why I will obey his commands...

But to say Jesus is now d Yahweh he is working for as a mediator for between man $ Yahweh,then I must be sick in my brain

nyameke: Son don't talk to me about context because if you undersutood context you wouldn't be all confused...
You read but you don't understand... And forget about the research crap that you talking about I have been there done all that. I know about the history of the bible translations and all that God god Lord bla bla bla and others that you have posted..

Carefully read john 1:1-14 and tell me what you really understand from it..once you read these ask yourself this..

Was the Word not God? Was the Word not from the beginning? Did the word not manifest in the flesh and named Yashua?

This is what john 1:14 says " The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth"

Yes I know that most of the bible translations have been tampered with..I can give you examples after examples using the Greek transcript and Hebrew transcripts..The core of the messages in the bible is what should concern you not the words play..don't let the luciferian agenda fool you..

I have already explained why Yashua is also Yahweh but for others that didn't see it I'm going to post it again

Now u talk about word play....

John chapter 1 tells me that Jesus is seperate from his Father...even a year old knows that....

John 1 tells us of 2 persons...son and Father....

U guys are d ones saying they are literally one person,meanwhile we are reading of 2 persons.........

Is d word the Father??

Now its very imprtant to analyze this topic if not we'll all be engaged in idolatry.....

Who shuld we render exclusive devotion to!

If I believe Jesus is Yahweh then it means I just believed in modalism.............

Which I can't believe in.........

Its d craziest thing to believe in.........

If Jesus can be greater than himself and prayed to himself then I think we all need a brain examining........

The church Fathers has actually led many to this spurious doctrine and it'll soon come to an end,when if any of u by chance get to heaven to find out that Yahweh and Yeshua are 2 seperate persons..........

The bible has shown they r not d same,but since u guys will hold on to constantines dogma,then mayb heaven will be d only solution...........

Anytime servants of God gazed to d heavens they always see 2 seperate persons sitting close to each other,never 1 person.........

If I ask u who u worship u'll be giving confused answers........

Soon u might be forced to worship mary too...

Since she is d mother of d almighty God..

If ur nt a catholic,I urge u to become 1....

Lol

nyameke: No what he said was not silly you are silly.. Yashua didn't have to call himself God or YHWH the bible's said so and btw Yashua never denied that he was not God.. He declared it..

And speaking of Satan being god or God, anyone can call themselves a God.. its not surprising if you know why.. In the beginning there was One and this one differentiated into the many..In the core of things we are all Gods.. we are created or individuated expressions of the one God/source.. The Godhead is the highest expression of this source/ God because the Godhead/Yahweh is the source and the beginning..

God gave us all free will and you can choose to let him be your source of power or you don't.. when you don't out of ignorance you become your own God so to speak..

Out of ignorance Satan decided to usurp the Godhead and be THE GOD .. but Yahweh cannot be mocked and you know the rest of the story.. Now there is a reason why mankind exist but that's for another topic..
Atheist and other unbelievers are their own god..

Show me just 1 verse in d biblÉ wherÉ Jesus said ""worship me,for I am God""


Yahweh will openly tell isrealites to worship him alone and that he is a jealous God...

Please show me 1 place in d bible where Jesus told his disciples or all of us that "" I AM GOD,worship me""

logicboy: You want to preach without being challenged?


Not going to happen.

Lol


The poster actually dey fear challenge.......

Well how we go do.....

nyameke: look at this cretin calling names..You are soo ignorant its not even funny trust me..your level of consciousness is low so I am going to let nature take its course on you...

I have explained that your " How can Jesus be greater than himself " drivel a few times but you never got it because you lack wisdom ..I will try one more time and then leave you alone...

First of Jesus cannot be greater than himself..The Godhead is not one being playing three persons at the same time... The Godhead is three distinct persons.. they each have a will and can speak, love etc and yet each is In the other and they are God (I used an equilateral triangle as an example last time). The real name of this God I'm the Hebrew scriptures is Yod Heh Vav Heh”...

""In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the Word was God" The father didn't create the Word( Yashua), the Word was right there with the father right from the beginning not after, and this Word was also God.

The father created the universe through the word/ son..In other words The Word created the universe..The father directs and the son obeys and acts with the power of God... So the roles are different But they are God.. Each is in the other and equal.. Seeng one means you've seen the other.

The fathers role is " greater" just like a man's role is " greater" than the woman... Greater here does not mean better or higher quality..It just means more, or of higher quantity/ rank..

The man is the head, directs and leads; the woman acts, submits, and obeys..This is all done out of love and not because one is mumu and the other of higher quality..In their core or essence the man and the woman are equal and one but the roles are different ..

Now if you operate with lower consciousness like most of mankind you won't understand this.. To them the woman is beneath the man because she submits and obeys...
This is as simple as I can explain this if you can't get this then you are not meant to get it so don't worry and let nature take it course

Read that research work up there my freind...lol


That john 1:1 following ya analogy will only mean we have 2 true Gods instead of 1...

Because John 1:1 says the word which was God was with another God....

The context is what u shuld be considering,not just reading John 1:1 like a story.......

If Jesus was with somebody in d beginning,who was it??

And is he still d person he was with..................

Then we can call Jesus noob saibot.....


Sorry if I used some words on u...I'm sorry...

Please just read up that write up I tagged to naibe's comment about the title God and d review of hebrews 1:8 $ 9...

I earlier had given u guys many examples...

If u dnt read d bible in d right context u will end up confusing yaself...

I gave d example of d word LUCIFER ....

If I tell u Jesus is LUCIFER I know u will so argue with me...

But if u understand that word and then read scriptures in context u'll understand many points in d scriptures..

haibe: @ijawkid i only used the word god and God to differentiate btw lesser gods and almighty God. I thought u wuld undastand, every one knows small g' is used 4 gods other than the almighty or is the bible trying to tell us we humans and satan are the almighty God? No
and are u saying God decided to name jesus God wit us from his own name(God)?

Now let's discuss on hebrew 1:8 and 9..

U refused delving into it......

Now let me clear u on this God wahala.......

Read this piece of write up judiciously....

We will focus on d hebrews u quoted and why u need to use other translations and read in context.....

Goshen has always reminded u of that.......


Now put on ya sit belt and let's analyze d title ""GOD" and what hebrews 1 was talkin about....




Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will
last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the
scepter of your kingdom. (NIV) 1. The English language makes a clear distinction between “God” and “god.” Thus, in English Bibles,
the heavenly Father is called “God,” while lesser
divinities, people with God’s authority on earth and
important people such as kings, are also called
“god” (2 Cor. 4:4; John 10:34 and 35; Acts 12:22).
The Hebrew and Aramaic languages cannot make the distinction between “God” and “god.” Since
Hebrew and Aramaic have only capital letters,
every use is “GOD.” Furthermore, although the
Greek language has both upper case and lower case
letters as English does, the early Greek manuscripts
did not blend them. It was the style of writing at the time of the New Testament to make
manuscripts in all capital letters, so the Greek
manuscripts were, like the Hebrew text, all upper
case script. Scholars call these manuscripts
“uncials,” and that style was popular until the early
ninth century or so when a smaller script was developed for books. [1] Since all texts were in upper case script, if we
translated Genesis 1:1 and 2 as it appeared in the
Hebrew manuscripts, it would read: IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE
HEAVENS AND THE EARTH NOW THE EARTH
WAS FORMLESS AND EMPTY DARKNESS WAS
OVER THE SURFACE OF THE DEEP AND THE
SPIRIT OF GOD WAS HOVERING OVER THE
WATERS. Actually, Bible students should be aware that in
both the early Hebrew and Greek manuscripts there
were no spaces between the words, no punctuation
marks, no chapters and no verses. The original texts
of both the Old and New Testament were capital
letters all run together, and it looked like this: INTHEBEGINNINGGODCREATEDTHE
HEAVENSANDTHEEARTHNOWTHEEARTH
WASFORMLESSANDEMPTYDARKNESS
WASOVERTHESURFAEOFTHEDEEPAND
THESPIRITOFGODWASHOVERINGOVER
THEWATERS Of course, the entire Bible was hand-printed
exactly the same way, with every letter in upper
case and no spaces between any words. As you can
imagine, that made reading very difficult, and so it
was common to read aloud, even when reading to
yourself, to make it easier. That is why Philip the Evangelist could hear the Ethiopian eunuch reading
the scroll of Isaiah (Acts 8:30). Such a text was
hard to read and practically impossible to teach
from. Imagine not being able to say, “Turn to
Chapter 5, verse 15.” Therefore, divisions in the
text began to appear quite early. However, because scribes lived far apart and hand-copied
manuscripts, the divisions in the various
manuscripts were not uniform. The first
standardized divisions between verses came into
being around 900 AD., and the modern chapter
divisions were made in the 1200s. It should now be very clear that there was just no
way to distinguish between “God” and “god” in the
early texts, and so it must always be determined
from the context whether or not the word “GOD”
is referring to the Father or to some lesser being.
Although it was usual that the presence of the definite article in the Greek text alerted the reader
that the “GOD” being referred to was the Father,
this was not always the case (see the note on John 10:33). For example, in 2 Corinthians 4:4, the word “theos” has the definite article, but the verse is
referring to the Devil. Context is always the final
judge of whether theos should be translated “God”
or “god.” 2. The Semitic languages, and both the Latin and Greek spoken by the early Christians, used the word
“God” with a broader meaning than we do today.
“God” was a descriptive title applied to a range of
authorities, including great people, rulers and people
acting with God’s authority. In John 10:33, when
the Jews challenged Jesus and said he was claiming to be “a god” (mistranslated in most versions as
“God”; see our note on that verse), he answered
them by asking them if they had read in the Old
Testament that people to whom the Word of God
came were called “GODS” (and we use all caps here
because the earliest texts did. It is hard to escape the modern notion that “God” refers to the True
God and “gods” referred to lesser deities). Any study of the words for “God” in both Hebrew
and Greek will show that they were applied to
people as well as to God. This is strange to English-
speaking people because we use “God” in reference
only to the true God, but both Hebrew and Greek
used “God” of God, great men, other gods, angels and divine beings. It is the context that determines
whether “God” or a great person is being referred
to. This is actually a cause of occasional
disagreement between translators, and they
sometimes argue about whether “GOD” refers to
God, the Father, or to a powerful person or representative of God. One example of this occurs
in Exodus 21:6, which instructs a master whose
servant wishes to serve him for life to bring the
servant “to Elohim.” The KJV, the NIV and many
others believe that the owner of the servant is
supposed to bring the servant before the local authorities, and so they translate Elohim as
“judges” (see also Ex. 22:8 and 9 for more examples)
. Other translators felt that the master was
required to bring the servant to God, so they
translated Elohim as “God.”(e.g., NRSV) Thus, the
verse will read, “God” or “judges,” depending on the translation. Hebrews 1:8 is like other verses in that just because
the word “theos” (“GOD”) is used does not mean
that it refers to the Father. It could easily be
referring to “god” in the biblical sense that great
men are called “god.” The Septuagint uses the word
theos for God, but also for men in places like Psalm 82 where men represent God. The context must be
the determining factor in deciding what “GOD”
refers to. In this case, in Hebrews that we are
studying, the context is clear. Throughout the
entire context from Hebrews 1:1, Christ is seen to
be lesser than God the Father. Therefore, the use of “theos” here should be translated “god.” 3. The context must determine whether Christ is being referred to as the Supreme Being or just a
man with great authority, so it must be read
carefully. In this case, however, one need not read
far to find that Christ, called “God,” himself has a
“God.” The very next verse, Hebrews 1:9, says,
“therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions.” Thus, Christ cannot be the supreme
God, because the supreme God does not have a God.
Furthermore, Christ’s God “set” him above others
and “anointed” him. This makes it abundantly clear
that the use of theos here in Hebrews is not
referring to Christ being the supreme God, but rather a man with great authority under another
God. Andrews Norton writes: Here the context proves that the word “God” does
not denote the Supreme Being, but is used in an
inferior sense. This is admitted by some of the most
respectable Trinitarian critics. Thus, the Rev. Dr.
Mayer remarks: “Here the Son is addressed by the
title God: but the context shows that it is an official title which designates him as a king: he has
a kingdom, a throne and a scepter; and in verse 9 he
is compared with other kings, who are called his
fellows; but God can have no fellows. As the Son,
therefore, he is classed with the kings of the earth,
and his superiority over them consists in this, that he is anointed with the oil of gladness above them;
inasmuch as their thrones are temporary, but his
shall be everlasting.” [2] 4. The verse is a quotation from Psalm 45:6,7. The Jews read this verse for centuries and, knowing the
flexibility of the word “God,” never concluded that
the Messiah would somehow be part of a Triune
God. 5. We must note that the verse in the Greek text can also be translated as, “Thy throne is God.”
However, because the verse is a reference from the
Old Testament, and because we believe that God,
the Father, is calling His Christ a “god” (i.e., one
with divine authority), there is no need to translate
the verse other than, “Thy throne, O god, is forever.”

haibe: I did not say no one is called a god, i said no one is called God. I shouldn't be telling you the difference between "a god" and "God".
And you are not even sure of what you are saying. Was Jesus called Jesus before he came to earth as a man? Yahweh is God's name(fada, son and spirit) all one while Jesus is God the son's name as a man.

What u jus said sounds so silly because Jesus wuld never say it...

What did Jesus tell his followers about himself and his name..........

Oh u want to differentiate god and God eh

Its like u want us to go in depth into this issue.....

Let me give u a hint as to where ur small letter g and big letter G came from....

In d original hebrew and greek texts there were no upper and lower case for ur information....

So when u saw elohim or theos it was all in d upper casing irrespective of the god being talked about.....big letters...

English translators chose to start differentiaiting which god is which.......

Instead of sticking to d personal names of d individuals they started using god,lord for individuals when they knew those titles aren't names neither are they meant for 1-3 persons...........


Now back to d immanuel issue..........

If I name my child immanuel like d way we have many immanuels here on earth,does that make my child God or god??

Satan was called the God ....

What more do u want??
God is nobodies name my nigga

Please read ya bible well..........ok

buzugee: after the messiah came to die for israel to atone for their sins and give salvation to the gentiles ( ROMANS 11 VS 11 ), the israelites ( including nigerians of shemetic stock which will be southern nigerians ) got put in spiritual darkness ( romans 11 vs 25 ). what happens when you are in spiritual darkness ? satan has power over you. so what does he do after breaking down the defenses by making satan more powerful than them ? he released the seals on em. SECOND SEAL ( REVELATION 6 VS 4 ) And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

FOURTH SEAL ( REVELATION 6 VS 8 ) And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. THATS THE ANGEL OF DEATH UNLEASHED ON ISRAELITES ( NIGERIANS ARE ISRAELITES ).this will be effective until the era of the gentiles is over, which is not yet.

so basically, everything that is happening the lord put it on us. every calamity and disaster ( amos 3 vs 6 ).

all this is punishment for being the most evil race for over 1000 years. killing and lynching all the prophets the lord sent to us. sacrificing kids and human beings to idols ( which a lot still do today ), and all kinds of abominable act. bruh, the angel of death ( fourth seal ) sent by the lord is roaming all over israelite territory ( black america, africa, carribean, etc etc ) at a rapid pace because we are in the last days. its refinement or extermination time if you forbear rather than hear. the lord is done playing with folks.

you see how america is crumbling ? thats the last gentile empire that will rule the earth. what does that tell you ? we are at the end. hence why the calamities have increased.

Ofcus I knw america is d last gentile nation(world power) to rule d world before d end comes...

But d idea of those who died in d plane crash is what I'm nt agreeing it....

Those are accidents that are just accidents....

Unforseen....

Satan can cause it,our imperfection can cause it,our carelessness can cause it....

God didn't tell or make d dana management to be flying that airline with just 1. Faulty engine....

While Yahweh might allow disaster to occur he does not unleash badness on those who serve him or even those who do not serve Him..

Remember satan has been driven down to d earth and he knows he has a short period of time....
Revelation 12:7-9,12


While those horses are running,satan is d major controller of them.....

Which shows we are in d lastdays and which is culminating to d great day of Yahweh and his son Yehshua..