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[quote author=Bidam][/quote]What!!!!.....

Oboy abeg na for where them give early christians option to recieve Jesus as there God or ceaser
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Which day lying turn to your profession....??......
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And I would ask you......

Do you know how the Jews worshipped Yahweh??...

Let us really know how worship to God is different from just merely bowing down before men of honor.......

When Jesus was on earth did any Jew make sacrifices in front of him??.......did any high priest come in front of Jesus to make atonement sacrifices??.......

Did any body come to Jesus and prayed to him like they were praying to Yahweh??.....

How can you just go to any verse and see worship and yap that it is some literal worship........

Words like prostrate,bow down,pay homage,kneel down all stem from the greek word proskneo......

See proskneo used in this verse ....this was the parable Jesus gave about forgiveness...



Matthew 18:26.....

King James Bible (Cambridge
Ed.)
The servant therefore fell down,
and worshipped him, saying, Lord,
have patience with me, and I will
pay thee all.



Holman Christian Standard Bible
(©2009)
"At this, the slave fell facedown
before him and said, Be patient
with me, and I will pay you
everything!'


Aramaic Bible in Plain English
(©2010)
And falling down, that servant
worshiped him, and he said, “My
Lord, be patient with me, and I
shall pay you everything.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
(©1995)
Then the servant fell at his
master's feet and said, 'Be
patient with me, and I will repay
everything!'


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Please is this master the God of the slave in this parable.....

This is proskneo in action in this scripture.......

What do you have to say mr worship.......

shdemidemi: This guy does not know what he is talking about, what is the meaning of Yahweh?

If I don't know please tell me........

You think the Jews were worshippers of triad Gods??........and you think faithful Jews think Jesus was Yahweh whom no can see and had never seen?......

Bidam: You are still not getting it are you? i said W.O.R.S.H.I.P as explained in all of the bible passages concerning J.E.S.U.S

YES...........bowing down,prostrating as before a king,paying homage.......

No Jew who(except the ones who were drunkards) would literally be worshipping Jesus thinking he is GOD.....

For goodness sake these are Jews who knew Yahweh there God is one Yahweh......

Those persons who met Jesus simply paid homage and showed respect to him knowing he is the messiah........

shdemidemi: shut up, your ignorance knows no bounds. Address what the verse says and stop asking silly questions.

The verse isn't related to the discussion......

I asked if Jesus knows the day and hour and you quote this verse...what do we do with it??.......

Please help me search for it...I can't see it.....

Dewze: i kind of understand tht verse to mean tht under no circumstance will God lie, and not that God 'cannot' lie. Nevertheless, if your interpretation is realy what tht verse is then I sincerely apologise for my error.

The truth is God cannot lie......

I hope you know what it means to LIE....

At least I got a scripture for you.........

if God can lie then we are all In serious problem...........

Bidam: You always hide using this con artist syndrome..show me scriptural evidences were the representatives of God were worshiped using the greek text meaning as they did Jesus.

Representatives of God were honored.....if you don't honor them then you have in effect dis-honored GOD......

Have you not heard touch not my annointed and do my prophets no harm??........you harm,dishonor,berate them and then you are doing exactly that to God the Father who sent them.....

And all kings of isreal were bowed down to and paid homage to......

benalvino: He was never created.

that's why am asking you
man?
angel?
a god?
GOD?

now u have 4 choice
lol actually for ijawkid

Oops..he was created.....had a beginning....he is the beginning of Gods creation.........

Bidam: DO YOU AGREE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON?

Nope.....you no see the way dey line the holy spirit with water and blood??.......

And is that all you got from my comment??....

Did 1 john 5:7 say and these 3 are 1 GOD??.....

Bidam.....

Bidam: why are my queshion rubbish? they are actually logic using your reasoning. i quoted John 1 to you and you tell me say God na liar..so i can't help but ask you this.

...and God didn't create Jesus and the angels the same time....Jesus is his firstborn spirit son......

How is that so hard to understand??...

shdemidemi: So who is the father in that context?

1 John 5:7-8

King James Version (KJV)

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

The Father is ofcourse the Father of Jesus and of all of us..........

And what does 1 john 5:7 have for us??......

Does it tell us Jesus knows the day and hour??........

And may I remind you....we are also one with Jesus and the Father.........

Figure that out...

Bidam: Matthew 14:33 Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.” Why? Because the Son of God is God who can receive worship, He is God in the flesh.

Jesus said, “that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him” (John 5:23) We this example all through the Scripture.

Matthew 15:25: “Then she worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.”

“When Jesus walked on the water and made the wind and waves cease, they worshipped Him, saying, truly thou art the Son of God.” (Matthew 14:33). Notice the equating of being the Son of God elicits their worship

See matthew 14:33...

GOD'S WORD® Translation
(©1995)
The men in the boat bowed down in
front of Jesus and said, "You are
truly the Son of God."


Douay-Rheims Bible
And they that were in the boat
came and adored him, saying:
Indeed thou art the Son of God.

Darby Bible Translation
But those in the ship came and did
homage to him, saying, Truly thou
art God's Son.



Matthew 15:25..

New International Version
(©2011)
The woman came and knelt before
him. "Lord, help me!" she said.


New American Standard Bible
(©1995)
But she came and began to bow
down before Him, saying, "Lord,
help me!"


Darby Bible Translation
But she came and did him homage,
saying, Lord, help me.


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Has there been anytime when representatives of God weren't honoured??......

If you do not honor Gods messengers,servants,prophets,kings have you not dis-honored GOD in return??....

And from the scriptures you quoted the people confirmed he was Gods son and not God himself....

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joe4christ: I'll give you few dosage.

2 Corinthians 13:14 -- The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ,
and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy
Spirit be with you all. Amen. (NKJV)

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwells all the fullness of the
Godhead bodily.

1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, [size=15pt]the
Father, the Word (Jesus, according to John 1:1), and the Holy Ghost[/size]:
and these three are [size=15pt]one.
[/size]


I can actually go on and on, but let me just leave you with these few to reason with.

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From the 1st scripture it is obvious only one GOD is mentioned while the rest aren't even refered to as GOD....and I guess you know who that one GOD is...The Father.....I don't see where it says the 3 persons there make up one God......


From 1 john 5:7.....I can't see again where it says these 3 entities make up 1 God...please if you see that in 1 john 5:7 please show all of us.....it says the 3 are one.....one what??......

If you add God we go arrest you.....

Then let me add the next verse...

International Standard Version
(©2012)
the Spirit, the water, and the
blood—and these three are one.


I can conclude water and blood are GOd too with the holy spirit......

Because as we can see they are actually one.....

Bidam: Ok..let me use frosbel style of argument show me just one scripture were God created a spirit son and angels at the same time//and why should this spirit son carry a human nature to our world?? it just doesn't make sense.

I think say u wan ask me to show you were the only ONE God na the Father.........

Ask me na........and who said God created Jesus and the angels the same time??.........??.....

Did it escape your notice that Jesus is the beginning of Gods creation and so was formed before the other spirit sons of GOD.....

Your other questions are rubbish....

Its like asking why Jesus was sent..........

shdemidemi: Where did he say He does not know when the end will come, are u ok?

Have you been on alomo bitters lately??.........

New International Version
(©2011)
"But about that day or hour no one
knows, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son, but only the
Father.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"However, no one knows the day or
hour when these things will happen,
not even the angels in heaven or
the Son himself. Only the Father
knows.


1...Angels don't know??....
2...Jesus himself doesn't know(gbam!!)??.....
3...Ofcourse no human knows......
4...ONLY the FAther

Please twist this truth......

shdemidemi: You take everything Christ say so literally without thinking deep about the full picture He is painting. He brought the familiarity between himself and God so close that He fulfilled his mission on earth by that. If Christ did not humble himself, you and I would be most miserable today.

Ona dey see the nonsense wey this man dey write??..........

Did Christ know when the end would come or did he LIE when he said he didn't know but only the Father??..........

Why can't you guys believe Christ??...........

Why.........

Like I said the one GOD I know is the Father and it is obvious that he is.........

shdemidemi: You are talking rubbish--Do you even understand the selfish question Peter asked? Peter was concerned about the kingdom of Israel but Christ was talking about the rest of the world. The answer Jesus gave was also due to the irrelevance of the question.

But didn't you see how Christ showed them all that The Father is the one with the ultimate knowledge of everything??.......

Please read revelation 1:1 and see why Christ could boldly say he didn't know when the end would come........

Bidam: who dey run around for here..when it's quite glaring that you are the guys being evasive.

Evasive??.......

Na lie say to us there is but ONE GOD the Father ??.......

Na lie??......

John 5:19

New Living Translation (©2007)
So Jesus explained, "I tell you the
truth, the Son can do nothing by
himself. He does only what he sees
the Father doing. Whatever the
Father does, the Son also does.


How can this humble Son of GOD be equal to the person he is learning from and imitating??....

shdemidemi: WRONG...God made me in his image and likeness. The day Adam fell, I lost the likeness but retained the image. The only thing that can make me have that sort of reasoning is through the word of God.
Yes He is the all knowing God. What separates Christ from God was him coming down to earth to die. Like I said earlier, God was with us in human flesh without the sin nature.

Wrong!!!!!!!! Again........

What seperates Christ from God is that God is greater than CHRist........



And again you're making a mockery of this God was in human flesh issue........

shdemidemi: e.g Peter saw all the wonderful works done by Christ, Peter was gobsmacked when he saw what Christ was going through when they came to get. He cut someones ears and Christ fixed it immediately. Did the power to free himself leave him? of course not, cos He has all the powers in heaven and on earth. Christ came for a reason and everything happened by providence.

Could you remember what Jesus told peter??.......remember him telling peter that if he wanted to he could call on the Father to send angels to come raze those soldiers up??.......

Jesus never told peter that he didn't have the power to free himself........

But Jesus boldy told his listeners that he DID NOT KNOW when the end would come........straight to the point.....

What perfect way to tell trinitarians that he isn't the all-knowing GOD......

Like the scripture I quoted there Jesus learns from the Father....the Father teaches him......until God reveals a secret to Jesus ,Jesus remains ignorant of it.......

Gbam!!!!!!....

see Jesus' reply to the apostles after his ressurection after power had been given to him .....

Acts 1:7

New Living Translation (©2007)
He replied, "The Father alone has
the authority to set those dates
and times, and they are not for
you to know.


Jesus again telling us there are certain things that are kept privy to the Father alone.........

Until Jesus is fed with information which he never had before he remains ignorant about it......

Bidam: It is actually obvious from GENESIS TO REVELATION that Jesus(GoD) came to show us the pattern of how it should be done.He could only do it in the likeness of men and still go back to that source(Father) from which He came from.like i said earlier we are all limited about our perception of God.God is far bigger than our imagination. The planets,stars and galaxies which are in billions attest to this fact.But still God find it worthwhile to tabernacle with men..we might not get all the answers in the bible cos they are written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost,but i believe that when we see Jesus we shall understand all things.

Lol.......

No man hath seen GOD..........

This unseen GOD sent someone who who is closest to him to explain him to us......

Why not just accept this truth and stop this running around.......

This means everlasting life by taking in the knowledge of the only true GOD and the one you sent Jesus Christ.........

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shdemidemi: nonsense

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See me see problem o......

It is like you guys don't even know the work Jesus is doing in heaven........

Ona don believe trinity so tay ona no know Jesus again......

Do you know Jesus is Gods high priest and ??........

If you insist Jesus is the same as the God he is working for then please I think we need another high priest......

Maybe we can elect you as our high priest.....

Dewze: pls do point out that part of the bible that says God 'cannot' lie. If u r right then I (unlike ur counterpart frosbel) will humbly accept and then apologize to God and to evry body tht may ve read tht post.
If by any means u do not remember it now, plas google it or ask someone and then get back to me. I wld realy luv to hear from u bro.

Here it is bro.....

Hebrews 6:18

New Living Translation (©2007)
So God has given both his promise
and his oath. These two things are
unchangeable because it is
impossible for God to lie.
Therefore, we who have fled to
him for refuge can have great
confidence as we hold to the hope
that lies before us.


English Standard Version
(©2001)
so that by two unchangeable
things, in which it is impossible for
God to lie, we who have fled for
refuge might have strong
encouragement to hold fast to the
hope set before us.


If it is possible for GOD to Lie then I'll stop worshipping Him.......

My bro there are just certain things GOD cannot do......the moment he does them he stops being GOD............

shdemidemi: Me! display the same wisdom, power and knowledge with God? Am I madt?
He is all knowing, all powerful. I know in part and understand in part. They are equal, they are the same. Christ did not reveal the answer to them because just like in aforetime God kept mysteries from the prophets. Christ would not tell man when He would come, so He directs man to God

I'm not saying you display the wisdom with GOD....nope....I'm saying you do display Godly wisdom to a considerable degree because you are an image of GOD.....

And the bolded is a bold LIE......

Christ simply answered I DO NOT KNOW.......

And he didn't know but only his Father knew.....

Let me tell you why Christ didn't know....

John 8:28

New International Version
(©2011)
So Jesus said, "When you have
lifted up the Son of Man, then you
will know that I am he and that I
do nothing on my own but speak
just what the Father has taught
me.


What ever Jesus was not taught or given information about he does not know about it..........chikena.......Jesus was with the Father and learnt from the Father......

There are certain knowledge and info's that Jesus has no access to......only the Father knows them......

And when you say Jesus Christ directed them to GOD,which GOD are you talking about??....isn't Jesus Christ the all knowing GOD again??.....

shdemidemi: Did the Bible not say God was made manifest in flesh, can you not see the reason why He is called son?
What attribute of God does He not have?

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.


You are still in Baba sule and sule mode. God did not give birth to Christ literally, Christ and God are one.

Yes he displayed Gods attributes and rightly called the image of the invisible God......

May I ask::....don't you display wisdom,power.knowledge of GOD??.........

I agree Christ and GOD are one in agreement.......but not equals.......

This is all I want you to know.....

ONE is by far greater than the other.......

If you doubt ask Jesus when the end would come and hear his reply......

Bidam: crying and petitioning rather translates into praying and not worship..what you fail to see is that Jesus was a Jew and Jews worship their God in temples. Jesus also visits the temple in Jerusalem..the queshion is did Jesus change the mode of worship of the Jews?

But him worship God na.....that is the point......

There is a specific kind of worship that is exclusive to the Father alone who as it is proven is the only one true GOD........

That is why Jesus could say it is Yahweh thy God alone you must worship....

It is glaring Jesus didn't mean the normal worship kings,priests,rulers or masters received..........

That is why Jesus never told any Jew to worship Him(in terms of making offerings and rendering exclusive devotion to him) Or said we are to worship him because he is equal with GOD....never!!!!.....

Jesus always made sure exclusive worship that belongs to the Father alone was not received by him....rather all he does is convey it to the Father......

That is why he is our high priest begging and pleading on our behalf to GOD the Father ....

Jesus takes our offerings and petitions and present them before the Father and beg the Father for us if not all of us for don rotten by now.......

Can't you guys respect that Loving arrangement made by GOD??...

Dewze: like ve said, the fact that ijawkid 'will not' eat dog meat does not mean ijawkid 'cannot' eat dog meat.
Do not misquote me in any way. I ve not said that God can lie. I ve only meant that so far tht God has not said this about Himself, we shld not by our human sentiment ascribe it to Him.
You agree tht God cannot lie simply because your biased human mind tells you tht God is too big to lie (your mind cannot comprehend how a God wld lie) and not because He(God) has told you this (not even in the scriptures).

So, I repeat. There nothing, again nothing impossible to God.

Oboy have u forgotten the explicit verse that says God cannot LIE??.....

I didn't cook it up.....

Bidam: and that was why i mentioned Adam who committed sacrilege..it just doesn't add up.

My bro.....we are all images of God and so exhibit divine qualities.....the difference is just the degree to which we exude these qualities of God......

Jesus exhibited them perfectly.......the angels exhibit them....we exhibit them.......even stones,rocks and mountains exhibit them........

Jesus by virtue of his being firstborn has reflected his Fathers qualities more than anyone can........

Since we can't see the Father(no one can see him and yet live) we have to imitate his son who is closest to him so that we can learn about the Father.......

Bidam: oK..IF Papa create pikin why e come be say na Adam be first Man..Jesus suppose be first MAN NA..this theology just doesn't add up.

Jesus was a spirit like his Father and all the angels and not a physical man when he was created.......

Adam was first man(physical,flesh and blood not spirit) on earth.........

Dewze: Even Einsten dared to think he could understand and pick the mind of God by share mathematical formulars. He got the ruddest shock of his life even before he died, and that is part of why he made the famous statement 'God does not play dice'.

So, leave God out of mathematical formulars. He created mathematics, mathematics did not create Him.

And that is why I don't subscirbe to any mathematical representation of God except the Fact that God is one the Father...(One being,one person)......THE FATHER....

Bidam: hmmn..so you gree Jesus has a divine nature?

Did I ever deny that??........

He was from heaven........

Who leaves in heaven that isn't divine??....

Even humans can be divine.......

Bidam: sori..no vex say i dey ask queshions..i wan understand your theology well well..na papa born pikin or na papa create pikin?

Papa create pikin.....

Gbam!!!!!........

Except you been borrow Yahweh wife.......

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benalvino: lmao... the angels are spirit but they are angels by their nature.
so the answer is not enough.
man
angel
a god

make your pick

Ben na which kin apptitude test be this??.....

Apptitude test question options dey reach 5 .........

Add 2 more options..........