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Bidam: old stale news..we do read all these for watch tower tire. No substance.next pls

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So what is new??....that people would be roasting for all eternity abi...including death......

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Mr anony: Lol no it doesn't. The verse you quoted agrees with statement 1 and statement 2 but it doesn't contradict the rest.

Yes God is One, Yes the Father is God. . .but note this does not say that Jesus is not God, neither does it say that the Holy Spirit is not God. It contradicts nothing.

Anony,,,,anony,,,,,,,,chei...smh......I am not saying Jesus is not called God ....anything or person can be called GOD....

The question is who is the one GOD??.....


The Father is the one GOD.....abi you know see am for the 1 corinthians 8:6 you read??.......

Why are you been dubious??......

Does 1 corinthians give any space for the son and the holy spirit??......

Or make I bring pen make we add the son and holy spirit to the one GOD??.........

Itsfacts: hahahaha very hilarious. see my post about the roman catholic

Wetin I wan see am for??......I don argue with them tire...infact I appreciate the catholics for there candour as regards the trinity.......

Ona just be apprentice for trinity...you should have marys image in your house....she gave birth to God......she gave birth to your GOD.......

Oya go buy rosary.........

Itsfact no mind me o............

Mr anony: Lololol, so you have now agreed that both Jesus and Yahweh have borne the same title El Gibbor i.e. Mighty God after trying to dance around all day?

We both know El simply means God. it is now up to you tou show how Christ is not God after being specifically called God and also Everlasting Father, as well as Counselor in your bible.

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

Basically, Isaiah 9:6 talks about a Mighty God that exists for all eternity. Yet Ijawkid says that the everlasting God Jesus Christ is not God. Continue fighting against your bible

Please where did isaiah call Jesus the everlasting God??.....where??...you wan start your gymnastics??.....

as we know now Jesus is a powerful king and ruler...God his Father has given him power and kingdoms to rule.....so isaiah predicted well when he said this son would be called EL GIBBOR....his being called that name is by virtue of the fact that his God would give him kingdoms and make him great........but trinitarians would run around thinking isaiah who knew there is but one GOD the Father (Yahweh) the God of gods is refering to the one who is to be born as the almighty God......



And EL doesn't just mean GOd...do your research well....do it and stop this run arounds......

I could quote verses where el gibbor was used for powerful human rulers and kings...and I had earlier said the name Gabriel is from el-gibbor....you missed that I guess.......


No way would a Jew read isaiah 9:6 and assume that the son who is to be born is God almighty.....

Thank you.....

obadiah777: ME LIKEY LIKEY LONG LONG TIME WHERE YOU BEEN HIDIN AT SIRE ?

Still on the war against trinity......

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E be like you no like that war......

Itsfacts: learn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
you believe the lie that Jesus come and picked the organization/ bible says the went he went is the way he will come we shall see him.

Your claims have long been discarded and re-adjusted.......I'm waiting for you stop worshipping 3 Gods.......pagan like you.....


Wetin remain for you na to worship mary the mother of your GOD...........

benalvino: Jesus called him self God almighty you say he didn't but failed to explain why he didn't...

2 first and last
2 alpha and omega
concerning Trinitarians am saying not everything or concept one brings I will accept. people have different way of explaining stuffs.

you are into the business of making titles abi?
Colossians 1:15-20 if you will link this to first and last it means you are saying he is the firstborn from the dead and will be the last born from the dead or are you saying he will be the first and last to come from the dead...

Simple.....Jesus is the first fruits of those who would be ressurected to heavenly life...how last??....the Father himself ressurected Jesus,and through Jesus he would ressurect all others who have that heavenly hope...once again Jesus becomes that agent through which God would ressurect the righteous ones after Jesus himself was ressurected by the Father(the first)...

benalvino: if Jesus have all the power and authority what does that make him? Almighty God... he is God from the beginning... am still saying unless you agree that bibles contradict it self you have to believe Jesus is God. the role which the 3 plays or how God made it for us to be saved is what is just a mystery.

of course he is greater... Jesus bleed he gave up his deity and he will be exalted to where he was before... the Word is God and it became Flesh...

Jesus from the beginning was given what ever he possesses.....life,power,knowledge .....name it...and more was given to him after his being obedient to his God...

You said he would be exalted....one who was the almighty God before in his former life does not need any exaltation whatsoever..but as we know Jesus waited,worked so hard and was exalted by his superior(The Father)....and was given power and authority...you can't be given what you already have...that is the height of absurdity...and how God saved mankind isn't a mystery..it is the trinity that is making it a mystery..

benalvino: the father will become the supreme ruler over all
again you cant run from the fact that the son is God. and God will be all in all...
In him all the fullness of deity lives. not some but the fullness of God.
so since the father will be the ruler over all as the father is that one God... Jesus wont be the ruler... but is that what the bible teaches? lets see.
Colossians 3:11
but Christ is all, and in all...
another reason Christ is included with the Father as the God who reigns supreme over all is due to the fact that the Holy Scriptures plainly teach that Jesus’ rule never ceases, that even after his subjection Christ will continue to reign forever. For instance, the prophet Daniel was granted a vision where he saw a human figure receiving an eternal kingdom with all creation worshiping him:

Jesus' headship over man would be eternal.so also that of the Fathers rule over Christ...your problem is you're trying to squeeze Jesus into the Father who as 1 corinthians 15:28 tells us would be the supreme ruler over all......the word supreme shows that Jesus would still rule but his rulership wouldn't be the ultimate,because he himself is subject to the Father....

Colossians 3:11 saying Christ is all in all exempts the Father who is head over him..when you quote scriptures like colossians 3:11 try to always remember that Christ has a head...and so Jesus being all and all exempts the Father who is all and all over Jesus...try not to always forget this truths...1 corinthians 11:3 is always stand by....and may I remind you that in daniels vision the righteous ones who are given kingdoms are also told to be adored or revered??

benalvino: "I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed." Daniel 7:13-14

Jesus, according to the NT, is that Son of Man of Daniel 7:13-14:


"But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, ‘Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?’ And Jesus said, ‘I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.’" Mark 14:61-62

"But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. And he said, ‘Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.’" Acts 7:55-56

Thus, Jesus as the Son of Man is an eternal King who rules over the entire creation for all eternity! There are other passages which reiterate this point:

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this." Isaiah 9:6-7

"And the angel said to her, ‘Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.’" Luke 1:30-33


"For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." 2 Peter 1:11

These texts explicitly say that Christ rules over an eternal kingdom, not a temporary one. Moreover, Paul wrote that Christ is completely sovereign even in the age to come:

Was the throne of david a temporary one??.....like I had sounded it before this kingdom which is to last forever stems from the Father...remember??....solomon sat on that throne(Yahwehs throne),david and now Jesus.....and this rulership is to last forver.....like I had pointed out earlier,the source of that throne or power to rule is what you have not been paying attention to...

In heaven don't you see Jesus sitting on Yahwehs throne as solomon did??....I can't wake up to say solomon is Yahweh because he sat on Yahwehs throne.....the source is the ish bro...

1 corinthians 15:27-28 is just telling you that Jesus' mission was at its climax and so he hands over or rulership to his Father who is the rightful owner and originator of it and then subjects himself to the Father,while the rest of the angels,and mankind are subjected to Jesus...this hierarchy is forever...no twist and turn can change it..(1 corinthians 11:3)

benalvino: "and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all." Ephesians 1:19-23

And again the Father is exalting is son and servant to a high position...this is the Christ God ressurected and exalted and appointed him head of the church....all these verses proves Jesus is so dependent on his Father and that the Father is greater...Jesus is what he is because of the Father...pharoah exalted joseph to a very high position(infact 2nd in command to him),but that never infered that joseph was an equal or now all in all with pharoah inclusive...rather josephs authority is over all except the one who gave him the authority and elevated him....

benalvino: As if this wasn’t enough to establish our point, the Apostle John saw a vision of both the Father and the Son reigning together in the eternal age, even after the period in which Christ destroys death and hands all things to his Father:


"Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:11-15

"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ‘Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.’ And he who was seated on the throne said, ‘Behold, I am making all things new.’ Also he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.’ And he said to me, ‘It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son." Revelation 21:1-7

Please may I remind you that what paul saw at 1 corinthians 15:28 goes way beyond what John saw??...paul saw what happened in the end when satan and even death had been brought to nothing...and at that end he saw Jesus subject to the Father for all eternity....

And revelation 21:7 points straaight at Yahweh who ofcus is our God(Jesus' God)....no where in revelation where are heaven occupants refered to as Jesus sons....they are refered to as brides....

And try remembering that this new Jerusalem which is descending is from God...please refer to revelation 3:12 where he says the new Jerusalem is coming from my GOD

benalvino: "And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty AND THE LAMB. And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp IS THE LAMB. By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, and its gates will never be shut by day--and there will be no night there. They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations. But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life." Revelation 21:22-27

"Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the THRONE of God and OF THE LAMB through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be anything accursed, but the THRONE of God and OF THE LAMB will be in it, and his servants will worship him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever." Revelation 22:1-5

Note carefully that John says that the throne, not thrones, belong to both God and the Lamb, which demonstrates that even in eternity Christ will still be actively ruling with his Father.

Lol...but that same scripture clearly points to the Fact that Jesus isn't GOD na...it differentiates GoD from the Lamb...abi??....

And people like solomon had sat on Gods throne before...this shouldn't be getting you worked up...

I'm happy these scriptures differentiates Jesus from GOD..2 distinct person...and notice the God there is the God of Jesus...

benalvino: We therefore feel that the foregoing provides us with a sound exegetical basis to assume that Paul’s declaration that God will be all in all also includes the Lord Jesus since Christ will continue to reign supreme over all creation even after the end of this present age.

That God may be all in all. That God may be SUPREME; that the Divinity, the Godhead, may rule; and that it may be seen that he is the Sovereign over all the universe. By the word "God" (ho theos) Whitby and Hammond, I think correctly, understand the Godhead, the Divine Nature, the Divinity, consisting of the Three Persons, without respect to any peculiar office or kingdom. (Barnes Notes on the New Testament; online source; bold and underline emphasis ours)

Your analysis takes us back to modalism...the scriptures u quoted clearly differentiates Jesus from his God....and so when it says God would be all in all it means Jesus would be subject to the Father and God who is the Father would have authority over all....it seems the expression all and all is what you are having problem with....it simply means authority over all......

And you mention Godhead again and trinity...I juts can't find the holy spirit in all our tour through the rulership wahala in heaven...so fling the trinity away...God in 1 corinthains means the Father alone and not a GODhead of 3 persons,,,.please read 1 corinthians 15:24

benalvino: remember colosians... all things thrones power authority was created for him. john 1:1 say he is God... honestly to understand God no be come chop so I hope you understand this post. am trying to stop but I some times think I should go on. I know you so much and am not here to convince you. lol I Love you as my pal it is just something you and I like to do... argue and debate till our thumb rotten.

All things thrones were created for him....now do you mean physical throne or power??...because it is obvious as we've seen that the Father is excepted...always try to remember this fact....always except the Father when you are on this all things issue....and Jesus didn't create himself..his Father did...so adjust your thoughts....

benalvino: Jesus is described as the rock so is God
Psalm 18:2

2The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.

Psalm 62:1-2

1Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation.
2He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved.

Psalm 62:6-7

6He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved.

7In God is my salvation and my glory: the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God

one of the verse says God alone is the rock... How come there are 2 rocks now?

Lol....chei....even rock sef??....

Peter was called rock....

You forget that this same Father is the rock on which Jesus is dependent on....

The title rock can apply to any one....

Oh benalvino.....


Jesus is called the rock foundation of the church......people can be rocks in different ways....

Abeg no bring this rock issue again...its like the saviour issue which was clearly solved...

benalvino: You see why JESUS is God?
and why he as all the attribute I mean full deity of God?
there can never be a time God have to create his wisdom... never and you can answer who prudence is.
Never a time God was without wisdom. You just gonna run in to wahala if you try to use proverbs

You mistake this wisdom in proverbs 8:22-30 for Gods intrinsic wisdom...

What should have rung a bell in your sysytem is that this wisdom was created...you have denied it was created,I went further to show it was created with succeeding verses but you deny it...this wisdom says before the world was brought forth I was born....

This wisdom was born,brought forth just like the earth was....

I don't need to answer who prudence is.....we are on who this wisdom Is and how its attributes perfectly describes Jesus in john 1;1,colossians 1:15-16,and revelations 3:14...

ARMAGEDDON me like.......

Itsfacts: you only know the lies you have been fed through the magazine

No be magazine tell me say God no be trinity,,,,na the scriptures tell me.........

I hope u remember say before this trinity come reach dormot the originators kill people just to establish the dogma.....

Hope you know.....

OLAADEGBU: This is what Jesus and the apostles said about hell:

(Rev. 1:18) The Evidence Bible.

There are three words translated "hell" in Scripture:

Gehenna (Greek): The place of punishment (Matthew 5:22,29; 10:28; and James 3:6)

Hades (Greek): The abode of the dead (Matthew 11:23; 16:18, Luke 16:23; Acts 2:27)

Sheol (Hebrew): The grave (Psalm 9:17; 16:10)

There are those who accept that hell is a place of punishment, but believe that the punishment is to be annihilated—to cease conscious existence. They can’t conceive that the punishment of the wicked will be conscious and eternal. If they are correct, then a man like Adolph Hitler, who was responsible for the deaths of millions, is being "punished" merely with eternal sleep. His fate is simply to return to the non-existent state he was in before he was born, where he doesn’t even know that he is being punished.

However, Scripture paints a different story. The rich man who found himself in hell (Luke 16:19–31) was conscious. He was able to feel pain, to thirst, and to experience remorse. He wasn’t asleep in the grave; he was in a place of "torment." If hell is a place of knowing nothing or a reference to the grave into which we go at death, Jesus' statements about hell make no sense. He said that if your hand, foot, or eye causes you to sin, it would be better to remove it than to:

(Mark 9:43–48 ).

The Bible refers to the fate of the unsaved with such fearful words as the following:

(Daniel 12:2)

(Mathew 25:46)

(Matthew 24:51)

(Luke 3:17)

(Romans 2:8,9)

(2 Thessalonians 1:9)

(Jude 7,13)

Revelation 14:10,11 tells us the final, eternal destiny of the sinner:



For those who insist on being cantankerous then the following is for you:

(Revelation 22:11)

1.Everlasting fire
2..Everlasting torment..
3..Smoke rising up forever,.

All the 3 above happened to inanimate/abstract entities.....city of sodom and gomorrah,tyre and sidon, etc.....so try to be consistent my bro....remember death itself would be thrown into what ever fire you are preaching about....


And as regards Jesus telling us to cut off our eyes and ears and what ever that stumbles us so as not to go into the fire that never ends I hope you must at one time or the other literally amputated some of your body parts because I know we all get stumbled.....if that fire is literal then the cutting off of body parts must be literal as well.....

Just a lil reminder...

Itsfacts: The trinity is not from the Roman catholic. get your facts right.

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And he denies......

How do you think you hold on to the dogma today??......you think if what happened at NICEA never occured you would be here gallivanting with the triune God ish??......

benalvino: Jesus is calling in self in many verses alpha and omega in relation... there cant be 2 alpha and omega or 2 first and 2 last. Jesus called him self God almighty too...

Jesus never called him self God almighty...he has a God over him...has that truth not been grasped yet??...and yes there can be 2 first and last because all it is is a title which anyone can fit into...

And I had explained how Yahweh is first and last and how that title applies to Jesus.....colossians 1:15-20 explains Jesus being first and last,most especially to his death and ressurection....and isaiah explains that of Yahweh,which shows before him and after him there would be no one greater and mightier than Him...

1st and last is a title and not a name of a person or an exclusive title to a person .....I gave you a perfect example of the title king of kings...didn't I??...

benalvino: again someone is a Trinitarian doesn't mean I should accept his analogy or how he understands something... we don't share same brain. everyone have different perspective why should every idea someone brings concerning trinity I have to accept it? the thing is in your congregation if you don't believe what they tell you, you can be kicked out. for me its not so. So I may not believe what person A or person B believes or thinks about something I believe.

Lol....the bottom line is I don't believe in the trinity bro and so I stand to espouse all facts against it from the scriptures.....now I know why you argued against or denied mary being the mother of the mother of God in flesh.........

benalvino: Jesus says all authority in heaven and on earth has been Given to me. it means the right hand of God... Right hand doesn't mean God right hand as in left and right... God is everywhere you cant sit at his right hand.

I understand completely...I understand God the Father has given Jesus authority and power...my ish is if you have actually differentiated the giver of this power and the reciever of it and if one is not greater than the other .....and as usual all I have been doing is revealing that the giver is the Father who is the one God and not part of a trinity...

Jesus recieves,the Father gives..one is the one God the other is his son who recieves...

benalvino: we have told you that the father is greater than the son in terms of Office... but the son is that same God the father is. Every Single attribute the father have the son have it before he gave it all up.

The bolded is false.....you can't make those statements and go scot free...

The Father is greater than the son in all things......limiting it to there office shows a whole lot of wayo...for you to even agree that the Father is greater in office shows you believe the Father is greater than the son....even if the Father is greater than the son by just an inch it all amounts to the fact that the Father is still greater.....that is why Jesus unequivoacally said "the Father is greater than I am""....but as usual you would say he was just human and didn't know what he was saying....

benalvino: when will the plan be completed... when the father puts everything under his foot... so that God will be all in all...

when the son must have run all the errands of his Father he would come subjecting himself as always....Jesus would then prove to you and all that the Father is greater than him(Jesus)

Then the Father would be the supreme ruler over all...connect this glaring truth to the one GOD being the Father alone....

benalvino: the thing is either you say the bible contradict it self or you take it as it is.

it is when one believes in the trinity that one would have to wallow in contradicitions and confusions...

benalvino: about proverb who is prudence?
However, the "me" who is speaking throughout Proverbs 8:1 through 9:12 is identified as "wisdom," and many other translations reflect the fact that feminine pronouns are used. Wisdom raises her voice in 8:1; she takes her stand in 8:2; she cries out in 8:3; wisdom has built her house in 9:1; she has prepared her table in 9:2--hardly the language one would expect if Jesus Christ were meant.

Now let me remind you that when it is said Jesus is the rock "petra" on which the church is laid it was in fact pointing to the feminin gender...but what do we know??....Jesus is that rock.....

Proverbs never made so much of an astonishing revelation of wisdom as it did at proverbs 8:22-30....

Anyone who comes in contact with that scripture for the first time would have no choice but to say it all applies to Jesus......after reading john 1:1,colossians 1:15,16,and revelations 3:14 and juxtaposing it with proverbs 8;22-30 the truth all comes out....

You hear terms like beginning of,first of Gods creation,was born before the universe was founded,was beside GOD etc.....

My bro its too glaring....

Mr anony: It seems you have conveniently forgotten that "EL" means God and not man. However if you want to insist that it can apply to humans then You'll argue that Christ sitting on the throne in heaven beside El Gibbor might just as well have been a mighty guy named Alfred.

So who was Jesus itting beside in Heaven? Was it the Mighty God (Yahweh), The Power of God (Holy Spirit) or Mighty one (which could mean a mighty guy called Alfred)

The El Gibbor stunt you are trying to pull does not save you.

Now this why y'all need a good coaching on these hebrew words if not you'll get yoursleves all worked up........

This all started with isaiah 9:6 where it says Jesus was to be called el gibbor.....

The point is even EL does not directly mean God...I hope you know??......but we do know when it is applied to Yahweh who is the one God of isreal and of all.......I know the powerful one Jesus is sitting close to isn't alfred because as we know it is Yahweh his Father.......all the scriptures combined shows Jesus was sitting close to his Father on the Fathers throne......NO??......

My point is you guys are acting like you can't tell who is being talked about just to obfuscate issues to prove the trinity.......

And from that verse that powerful one is the Father......

And talking about EL it can also refer to man.....they are all titles....don't tell me you don't know.....infact EL can be refered to plants,other false gods,mountains etc...

Even the word GABRIEL is coined from both EL and Gibbor......it denotes might,strenght.power.....

I'm only trying to block your moves in trying to use the title mighty God to equate Jesus with his Father............

but as you do know Jesus is sitting at the right hand of no other person than his Father Yahweh.......

Mr anony: Lol, don't be a coward now. We argued that the Holy Spirit is a person. You insisted that He is the Power of God.
We argued that Mighty God is the title of Yahweh as well as Jesus, You insisted that Yahweh is strictly "Almighty God"
We showed you Jesus sitting beside Yahweh and He is called Mighty God. You said no that it is not "Mighty God" but "Power of God".

If Power of God = Holy Spirit, then according to you Christ is sitting beside the Holy Spirit in Heaven. Shikena.
If you like insist that Christ is sitting beside a force that's your wahala not mine.

You have successfully ejected Yahweh from His throne and put a force there to replace Him.

My argument was on the hebrew word which is translated mighty God.......if you had noticed.........that same word has its equivalent rendering as mighty ONE,powerful one ......and all of these applies to humans........if it applies to humans then we shouldn't be struggling with it.....that's my point.......all it drives to is that we are dealing with one who is powerful.....

Now Jesus sitting close to the right hand of the power of God simply means Jesus will act with Gods power.......or you just couldn't understand that one small truth.??........you could as well say Jesus was sitted at the right hand of the powerful one.......which ever we know Jesus is sitted at the right hand of his God and Father........psalms 110:1.....

if you had forgotten please remember 1 corinthians 15:26-28......

Going back and forth is only a waste of time........

benalvino: Acts 1:7
New International Version (NIV)
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

how does this prove Jesus doesn't know? or he is telling them they are not suppose to know. the thing is you try to twist words to form your own meaning that is why you move to bibles that translate it the way you like...

The bolded is all I want you to realize......then compare it with Jesus' bold confession at mark 13:32.....there are certain informations that are covert and exclusive to the Father alone....which is what makes him the one GOD.......The Father is HE who sets dates and time and that Jesus doesn not have access to not until he is told......no be so??....

The Fathers authority supercedes that of Jesus and every other person........Jesus' confession is straight forward

benalvino: I don't agree with all Trinitarians and what they believe... if that is how he explains it that is his business... the thing is God manifest in the flesh...

Please you have to agree with what all trinitarians believe if not you might just be sitting on the fence and continously been confused as to who the one true God really is.........

The thing is it was Gods son who came in flesh and not the one GOD who is the Father alone.....

benalvino: Talking about proverbs the question at hand you left it. now you talking about born.
the question should be addressed.
there is nothing you have asked here that you haven't asked before that is why everyone has gone tired of the whole thing.
there cant be 2 alpha and omega that's for sure... we just have to agree to disagree...
God is beyond out knowledge.

Yes there can't be 2 alpha and omegas and that has been explained....what I see in revelation is 2 first and lasts and that same revelation explained how those titles applied to the son and the Father.......

Would you say I haven't explained it before??..........

Mr anony: Interesting. I thought you said the Power of God is the Holy Spirit. Well, that would mean that Christ is sitting at the right hand side of the Holy Spirit.

Congratulations, you have succeeded in debunking yourself

That's if I agree the holy spirit is a person and God abi??..........

Remember el gibbor is the ish here which you and your ilks are on about.....

Mighty one,powerful one,mighty ruler ,mighty God....etc.....all could apply to God and humans.....

That's it all.......

Bidam: #yawns# all these rantings without substance. You haven't still answered my question Ijawkid. and as for glorification we are all created for God's glory na.

You better face this discussion or keep silent.........

Its obvious u no longer know the Jesus which you claim to be your God......

1...Human Jesus is ignorant because he had blood flowing through his veins...

2...Glorified Jesus who has been given all power from The Father still says he is ignorant of what he said when he was flesh and blood......

3....Revelation 1:1....
New International Version
(©2011)
The revelation from Jesus Christ,
which God gave him to show his
servants what must soon take
place. He made it known by
sending his angel to his servant
John,

In heaven he still waits on the Father who knows all things to feed him with information.......


You call these points rants??......

You must be on weed.......

Sp the RCC that gave you the trinity dogma is also false??.......

Smh!!!!!!!!.....

benalvino: everyone seem tired because you keep asking same question with different phrases...

John 1:1 told us the word was God and it became flesh...

Jesus was worshipped but on earth and in heaven... we have answered this long ago...

we have Showed you verses countless times that Jesus dropped his deity and become a man he really depends on the father...

we should you that he came to show us the way to salvation... as a man do you expect him to start telling people to they should pray to him? several times when he tried to tell people who he is they wanted to kill him.

the answers are... everyone is just tired that you keep coming with same questions all the time.

Philippians 2
Though [Jesus] was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you by his poverty might become rich. (2 Corinthians 8:9)

You told me revelation 1:8 was not referring to Jesus and didn't explain why.
you said proverbs proves Jesus was created when it does. The simple Question is who is prudence?
However, the "me" who is speaking throughout Proverbs 8:1 through 9:12 is identified as "wisdom," and many other translations reflect the fact that feminine pronouns are used. Wisdom raises her voice in 8:1; she takes her stand in 8:2; she cries out in 8:3; wisdom has built her house in 9:1; she has prepared her table in 9:2--hardly the language one would expect if Jesus Christ were meant.

The only thing you can say is that the bible contradicts it self...
For me understand God is beyond our mind and there are some clues...

the Holy Spirit does know the mind of God and it has a mind of his own I doubt if power or force could have a mind.
to know the mind of God means to know everything.
Jesus as a man Doesn't know everything... But he knows when the Holy spirit is in him. it is not their plan or the will of God to say when the end will come. he says he will prepare a place for us...
as am typing this the plans for mankind are still taking place. He only Gave us a clue of when the end will come. we are seeing those clues today.

Do you know the bolded are just outright LIES from you...I hope you know??.........

Now why should I trust all the words of Jesus when his human part of him could obscure his divine knowledge??...why should I believe Jesus when he says he is the way to the Father??.....why should I even believe it was not some fraudulent impersonator who came intsead of Jesus??.........you guys have dissected Jesus right left center just to escape the truth..........thereby making christianity null and void......

Now let us listen to Jesus in his glorified state after his ressurection.....

Acts 1:7....

New Living Translation (©2007)
He replied, "The Father alone has
the authority to set those dates
and times, and they are not for
you to know.

English Standard Version
(©2001)
He said to them, “It is not for you
to know times or seasons that [bt]he
Father has fixed by his own
authority[/b].

From the above can we say Jesus still knows when the end would come??....is Jesus still the fraudstar you guys paint him to be or is he still that humble son of God who knows his Father has got authority over him and knowledge more than him??......

Ok I heard one of your fellows yapping on another thread that after Jesus was ressurected he was still with flesh so he still suffered from partial amnesia.......

Let us see the glorified Jesus in heaven who should have become all knowing now......

Revelation 1:1

New International Version
(©2011)
The revelation from Jesus Christ,
which God gave him to show his
servants what must soon take
place. He made it known by
sending his angel to his servant
John,


Can we say Jesus is now all-knowing from revelation 1:1??..........

How you guys have skipped all glaring truths and postulated false assumptions to equate Jesus with his Father or the one God is what is surprising me..........

Do you now agree that the one GOD is the Father??..........

And about proverbs 8:22-30 it is surprising how you skipped all the verses where it says wisdom was born........

Keep running around decieving yourself that God is one being but 3 persons.......

And let me remind you that the signs Jesus gave as to the last days isn't much different from what prophets like daniel,isaiah and the rest prophets talked about.........

Please take note of revelation 1:1..it debunks your claim that Jesus might know all things like his God and Father now that he is in heaven and that Jesus only depended on his Father because he was human........

Bidam: sorry had to edit. The point is was Jesus still having His flesh before his Ascension to the Father or not? was the body terrestrial or celestial

Lol........ahhhh.....the height of escapism.........

You are just a disgrace to the scriptures.......

So the glorified Jesus is now still ignorant??.........the same glorified ressurected Jesus who told his disciples that all power has been given to him and also breathed the holy spirit into them is still as ignorant as before his death.......

Are you sure we can really preach about Jesus anymore to non-christians??

Because as it seems its like it wasn't Jesus who came to the earth after all........

We have Jesus who is God,we have Jesus who dropped his divinity(abandonded his knowledge,even denied being good, etc) and we then finally have the Jesus who is both God and man.......

Y'all are sick.......

If I wasn't reading the scriptures I would have believed Gods son didn't even come to the earth with all this evasive comments of trinitarians like you.......

Maybe all we should do is discard all of Jesus' words when on earth into the dustbin since he was human and was ignorant of so many things.....

Who knows if the other things Jesus told us was not a scam as well........

Rubbish!!!!!!!

Bidam: ofcos that's the issue.You quoted a scripture without having a proper knowledge of it. The question is did your organization not see this particular scripture before shooting their mouths to the whole wide world? it all boils down to hypocrisy if you ask me.

Lol......hypocrisy??...so you mean if we have come to understand this scripture we should have remained adamant and not make adjustments......you are becoming so much emotional....well let's get down with your exposition...

Bidam: Oh! you mean first hand evidence of your foolishness?

Lol...let's see who the foolish one is.....

Bidam: Ok since you begged me not to i won't.
I dey laff.The more you twist and turn the more the truth keep staring at you in the face.

Twist??....you're the one about twisting clear cut scriptures........

Bidam: Ofcos that is your style jumping from on translation to another

No need...all rendition agree on this.....abi you get contrary one??...

Bidam: I did and i saw how hopelessly and helplessly you made so much effort in making that scripture say what you want it to say. The term "Son" can be referring to either Jesus' human nature or his Divine Person. So Jesus obviously was referring to his human nature not knowing the day, but that was at the moment he said it. Later in scripture Jesus says he is given all that the Father has, which means at that point Jesus in his human nature now has all that knowledge and power of his Father. But remember that Jesus in his divine person always had that knowledge and power from eternity to eternity. Another thing also to note is that Christ's professed ignorance of this day and hour is hyperbole (overstatement that is not literal). It is a figurative expression that this mystery lies beyond the scope of what the Father intends the Son to reveal. The Father and the Son share everything in common, including their divine knowledge.

Lmao...my belle don full for laugh....you know the funny thing......it is how you just tried helping Jesus when he didn't beg you....
Jesus would be shaking his head and saying what is this BIDAM saying.......

I just quoted another scripture when Jesus was no longer the human he was before his death.....

Oboy you dey show your ignorance full time...imitate Jesus by saying I don't know and stop this circus and somersaulting

So Jesus not knowing the day and hour is now a hyperbole....abi the meaning of hyperbole don change??....

Bidam: All things have been handed over to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son wishes to reveal him. (Mt 11:27)

The Father loves the Son and has given everything over to him. (Jn 3:35).

When Jesus made these statements you quoted was he God the human son or God the divine son??........

If Jesus has said in human that the Father has given him everything and then later went further to say the day and Hour only the Father knew,what does that tell your trinitarian HEAD.......??......read 1 corinthians 15:27-28 to get the answer incase you miss road.......


Why should Jesus be receiving anything to start with........he is suppose to be GOD...remember??.......

Bidam: I knew you would come up with this lame assertions of "alone" which is only found in your bible.The hypocrisy of it all is that your fathers have actually predicted times without number that the world will end on set dates and till date their prophecies has not come to pass. Or do you want me to quote all of their statements in this thread?

Now is that the issue here or you just want to run around this thread aimlessly.......

I have shown you a first hand evidence of Jesus not being part of a trinity,not all knowing and being under the only one GOD the Father and you're here spewing rubbish.....

Oh and you don't need to quote those statements they are all over nairaland......

The main issue here is how I want to kick your trinitarian butt out of this thread for good........



Oh I forgot.....it is the NLT I used.....

If it isn't clear you can peruse these other renditions...


GOD'S WORD® Translation
(©1995)
Jesus told them, "You don't need
to know about times or periods
that the Father has determined
by his own authority.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And he said unto them, It is not
for you to know the times or the
seasons, which the Father has put
in his own power.



.......

Itsfacts: you cant deny that Jesus was worshiped/ john 1:1 the Word is God/ because he became a man/ could you express or engineering some example of Jesus worshiping the father before coming to earth/ why not just pray to the father why Go through Jesus/ i believe someone benalvino or mr anony gave you example of Jesus receiving prayers.

Jesus says he is the way to the Father......and so when I make petitions I chÀnnel them through the mediator between the ONE GOD and Man......JESUS CHRIST.....at the end of it all the Father is the one whom we worship.....

Bidam: see ya lyf.That was when Jesus was on earth as a MAN.What gave you this warped idea that He doesn't know it now?

The bolded i§ complete balderdash......

He was man!!!!!!! He was man!!!!!!......but he was Jesus the son of God,the word of God who came in flesh.........

Ok now let me take you to when Jesus was no longer a man.......


Acts 1:6-7
New Living Translation (NLT)
The Ascension of Jesus
6 So when the apostles were with Jesus, they
kept asking him, “Lord, has the time come for
you to free Israel and restore our kingdom?”
7 He replied, “The Father alone has the
authority to set those dates and times, and
they are not for you to know.



This is the glorified ressurected Jesus who was about ascending to heaven........

Is Jesus right when he says he does not know what is kept covert to the Father alone or should we take the spurious assertions of bidam and the rest trinitarians??.......

And take note........Jesus didn't just use the title GOD so that some of you can assume he was talking about the trinity combo.....

But behold Jesus mentioned the Father alone......

OLAADEGBU: Most anti-trinitarians are also antinomians, so it is no surprise if they're unable to come up with any verse to dispute your challenge.

The Good thing about this diagram is that it actually explains why Jesus doesn't know the day and hour the end would come but only The Father.........

Because he isn't the Father and therefore not a person making up a triune God head.......

inspiredbyGOD:.:
The word "God" is just a title hence it can be used to refer to both Christ and the Holy Spirit. What I want you to show me is a verse that explicitly states that the Father {God} is one being and yet three persons at the same time.

The bolded is what I've asked anony since the world began but no answer

Mr anony: This is what the Trinity means in short form

1. God is One
2. The Father is God
3. The Son is God
4. The Holy Spirit is God
5. The Father is not the Son
6. The Father is not the Holy Spirit
7. The Son is not the Father
8. The Son is not the Holy Spirit
9. The Holy Spirit is not the Son
10. The Holy Spirit is not the Father
11. God is one being and three persons.


I challenge anyone to produce any bible verse/verses that refutes the above statements. And please when you do, point out which of the statements you are trying to refute and how your bible verses refutes it/them.

I await your responses


P/s: If you don't believe the bible is the word of God, please don't bother commenting. Your opinion is not needed here

The bolded contradicts 1 corinthians 8:6......

And don't go on yapping about....

New International Version
(©2011)
yet for us there is but one God,
the Father, from whom all things
came and for whom we live; and
there is but one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom all things
came and through whom we live.


To us there is ONE GOD who is one being and he is the FATHER...

You would have to re-write scriptures to support your false stance

benalvino: lol what does John 1:1 tell you?
how do you explain the fact that jesus is being worshipped?
how do you explain that people pray to him.
why I say dumb question... is because we have answered it ages ago

John 1:1 tells me the word who is Jesus was with the Father.......NO??......

How is Jesus being worshipped??....

Why did you neglect the fact that Jesus prayed to someone else??

And Jesus conveys our prayers to the Father.......we pray to the Father through Jesus.........he hasn't resigned as the mediator between Man and the one GOD

Please my questions are stÍll up there.....

Your answers aren't satisfactory....

benalvino: again dumb question...

Smdh!!!!!......

Let me wait for anony......

Since you have chosen to not accept the Father as the one GOD......

benalvino: The real One is the first... the other 2 are just titles...
since God is not an image or carved image it cant apply to same league as him being God... that is why God is not a title... you cant say he is a thing for definition 3 again God is not a title...

Definition 2 gods are title because the carved things are evil and they are called they are given that rank by men that is why it is a title... No body Give God the God he is today... He is God by nature.

And so is GODs name GOD??.....

Go ahead and tell me that is someones name.......

You forget that when the words EL is used it is always accompanied by Father or the name of the almighty GOD........

And so we don't have to start running around to know which God or what God we are talking about.......

Now the good thing about the scripture I've quoted is that when it mentioned one GOD it associated it with Just one being......and that is the Father......paul never gave any room for persons to be solving trigonometry with the title God.......the Father is by the side of it and also YAHWEH........

And can you tell me that Jesus isn't called or made a God by his GOD??.........

That is why he is the image of the one GOD the Father....

Have I solved your problem??

Let us see this bold statÉment from the ressurected glorified Jesus before ascended into heaven........

Acts 1:7....


New Living Translation (©2007)
He replied, "The Father alone has
the authority to set those dates
and times, and they are not for
you to know.

English Standard Version
(©2001)
He said to them, “It is not for you
to know times or seasons that the
Father has fixed by his own
authority.

New American Standard Bible
(©1995)
He said to them, "It is not for you
to know times or epochs which the
Father has fixed by His own
authority;

Weymouth New Testament
"It is not for you," He replied, "to
know times or epochs which the
Father has reserved within His
own authority;



Let somebody come out and tell me if Jesus was still human or had still not acquired is deity back when he gave this reply to his apostles........

I am here on this thread to prove that the FATHER who is YAHWEH is the. only one GOD.....

benalvino: dumb question...
even if he knew he wont say. easy as that... bible says no one will know when the time comes it will be like a thief in the night.

You know the bolded is false........

If Jesus knew it but didn't want to say it he would have simply kept quiet or tell his listeners that its a secret........

Jesus was not at gun point when he said ONLY the Father knew.....

Oh yes it would come like a thief in the night and the person of Jesus said he doesn't know.......Jesus showed he didn't know something the Father knew

And this the Father......the one GOD in question........