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benalvino: some people name na Yahweh.... it wasn't only jesus that go by the name in bible... so this your point is void. he said before him there was no god formed or created.

Abeg show me another person for the scriptures wey answer Yahweh....abeg just show me.......

shdemidemi: yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

Did any one tell you we have more than one God and who says Christ is not our Lord and saviour. The quote here does not support your claim in any way or form.

And have you agreed that the one God who is the God of Gods is the Father alone?

You seem not have agreed....that is why I am still on this thread...if not I for don go sleep......

Hear this O isreal,O shdemidemi,Obenalvino,O itsfact,O Ijawkid,O enilove,Ofrosbel,O everybody.....

YAHWEH our GOD is ONE YAHWEH

Recite this creed every morning when you wake up and at night before you sleep......

benalvino: what part of every other gods whether in heaven or earth are false gods do you not understand?

Are the angels false Gods....??when Yahweh told moses that he would be God to pharoah did moses end up being a false God..??.......

I want you to see that the title God is just a title.........

This is why the almighty has a name.......so that we wouldn't have to be worried as to who is the true God.....we can seperate him from his son and all others......

Please learn to recite this creed which Jesus himself recited.....


Yahweh our God is one YAHWEH

shdemidemi: Before nko, did we say 'God with us'/Immanuel is the oga? Speaking in your shallow manner.

Confusion.......!!!!!!!

benalvino: so now you don't know all other Gods are false gods... na today I fear you... lmao
feed on this

Psalm 4:2 (New International Version)
"How long, O men, will you turn my glory into shame [a] ?
How long will you love delusions and seek false gods?"

Psalm 40:4 (New International Version)
" Blessed is the man
who makes the LORD his trust,
who does not look to the proud,
to those who turn aside to false gods"

Jeremiah 13:25 (New International Version)
" This is your lot,
the portion I have decreed for you,"
declares the LORD,
"because you have forgotten me
and trusted in false gods."

Jeremiah 16:19 (New International Version)
"O LORD, my strength and my fortress,
my refuge in time of distress,
to you the nations will come
from the ends of the earth and say,
"Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods,
worthless idols that did them no good."

Amos 2:4 (New International Version)
This is what the LORD says:
"For three sins of Judah,
even for four, I will not turn back {my wrath}.
Because they have rejected the law of the LORD
and have not kept his decrees,
because they have been led astray by false gods,
the gods [b] their ancestors followed,"

Psalm 4:2
How long, O men, will you turn my glory into shame ? How long will you love delusions and seek false gods ? Selah

Psalm 40:4
Blessed is the man who makes the LORD his trust, who does not look to the proud, to those who turn aside to false gods.

And if you are still not getting my point then the rest angels in heaven,moses,Jesus are all false Gods.....

You don rest??....

Since you no fit wan see paul point for 1 corinthians 8:6

benalvino: Obama is greater than you doesn't make him better than you... you and Obama are of same nature... his office is only greater than yours... you need reason well...
why will muslim convert when they think their Mohamed is greater than Jesus... and if they convert their violent brother will sharialize their life.

When you say nature what do you mean......no be flesh and blood(human)??........ok God is a spirit......what about the angels and Jesus??..are they not all of the same nature with God(spirits)??.......

But what you have failed to see is that Jesus,the angels,humans are all the image of God.........showing again that God is the oga in all ramifications.......

There is no way to defend this spurious trinity dogma.........

benalvino: read your bible then... God said it...

Jesus once said that call no one GOOD except GOD..........

Is Jesus and the rest of us BAD??.......

You still can't understand what the title God means that is why you are evoking vague analogies.........

Angels are called Gods....are the false Gods??..........

benalvino: you guys would argue that the Father is not “Lord” simply because Jesus is “Lord,” it is evident that this argument is groundless. Furthermore, the Father is called the “Lord of Lords” at Deuteronomy 10:17 while Jesus is called the “Lord of Lords” at Revelation 17:14 and 19:16. Yet, Jude 4 points out that there is only one “Lord.” Thus, in the same way that both Jesus and the Father are both called “the Lord,” Jesus is just as much God as the Father is God as He is addressed as God on several occasions. Yet, 1 Timothy 1:17 reveals that there is only one God. So here we have yet another example of Scripture that supports john 1:1... Jesus is God and not a god as Witness their bible translate am.

And you're back with your lame analogies....

Nebuchadnezzar is called king of kings and so is Jesus.....is nebuchadnezzar as much of a King as Jesus??..........

Jesus is called morning star and so are the rest angels(spirit sons of God).....are the angels equal with Jesus.......

Your problem is title has beclouded your whole argument.....

That is why 1 corinthians 11:3 and 1 corinthians 15:24-28 is there to correct you.....

benalvino: anything that is not the true GOD!!!!!!!!!!! is False god... na wa for you o

Did paul say the other Gods are false??....please point it out if you see am...I dey wait......

shdemidemi: Which of the angels did God call the only begotten?

Is this question the answer to my question??.......who is the mother of all the angels....??they are called sons of God.....

enilove: I have learnt a lot from your posts on this thread. It is this trinity belief that makes it hard for some muslims to convert.

It is a spiritual case. Jesus himself said that the Father is greater than him.

So many who say they have d Holy Spirit have no measure of Him at all.

May God help us all.

My bro na God go help them.........it is indeed a spiritual case........abeg come join hands make we pursue this demon doctrine called the trinity........

benalvino: nope... we are not referred to as gods... Bible made it clear there is only one God.

Ah think ona dey see denial??..........

Oya paul has made it clear that although many are called Gods or are Gods but to US there is but one God.......

Satan is called GOD ,his demons,good angels,humans are called Gods,Jesus is called God.............but paul come know say trinitarians in the future go arise and so he had to clear the air by saying:: but to US(Jesus inclusive) there is but one GOD the Father........

It is so obvious that you and trinitarians/modalism adherents aren't part of that US paul talked about..........

shdemidemi: I assume you would be a very lackadaisical person, can't you take a minute to read and understand instead of laughing over what people are desperately trying to spoon feed you with.

I want you to open those triune eyes of yours.........it seems they've been blocked beyond redemption........

Have you not been spoon fed with all the gibberish you defend on this thread??......that God is 3 persons in one God but not 3 Gods.....ona don turn God to exhaust and inlet manifold for automobile......

Smh!!!!!!.....

benalvino: am beginning to think you are doing this on purpose...
you guys are the one who believe in 2 Gods...
and that is not what am saying... you are confusing the oneness Pentecostal.
read my statement again. the word became flesh.
the whole point is the son and father are referred to as God... but when Jesus came to earth that is when we started getting the father and son distinction.

And we also are refered to as God too....didn't you see it from the scriptures??

The 1 corinthians 8:6 we've read a million times even told us that many are called Gods......the angels are called Gods,Jesus is called God,we are called Gods........but to US(Jesus inclusive) there is but one GOD....and who is that one perseon??....it is the Father alone....stick to this truth and flee from falsehood........

And may I remind you that you have gravitated into the oneness pentecostal dogma..........

Because you are so confused that you have to go back to saying Yahweh is Jesus and Jesus is Yahweh,.....that's the trinity/modalism delusion.........confusion of the highest order........

Bidam: 100% correct.

And this same one God died and suffered from amnesia.....

Y'all would be good for barney show or nickelodeon.......you can tell the above to kids..........


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Jesus says it is not those who run around calling him Lord Lord that would survive this system......Jesus said it is those who do the will of his Father that will........

Ask your cemented hearts if y'all are doing Yahwehs will by making him an equal with his son who is subjected to him for all eternity.....

Smh!!!!!.....

enilove: For everyone who thinks Jesus is Almighty God the Father, please read the book of:

Revelation 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

The speaker above is Jesus,telling us all that he has a God.

In case you do not believe,read also Revelation:

Revelation 5:1-9 KJV
And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. [2] And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? [3] And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. [4] And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. [5] And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. [6] And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. [7] And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. [8] And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. [9] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

These verses show clearly that God Almighty is on the throne and is diff from the Lord Jesus Christ. This book of Revelation tells us what the true relationship btw God and His Son is.This is now a heavenly revelation that God gave to John.

Probably you still do not understand,kindly read also:

Proverbs 8:22-36 KJV
The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. [23] I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. [24] When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. [25] Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: [26] While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. [27] When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: [28] When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: [29] When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: [30] Then I was by him, as one brought up with him : and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; [31] Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. [32] Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways. [33] Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not. [34] Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors. [35] For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord . [36] But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Jesus told us here also that he was daily the delight of His Father in Heaven.

Please remember John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

My dear bro we have shown them all of these verses but there hearts are as stiff as olumo rock.........

@y'all trinitarians.....ona read enilove post??...or ona don close that ona eye wey dey see one God as 3 persons..........

benalvino: What does john 1:1 have to do for you to see the Word is God?
even when Jesus said he is not a spirit you still insist he is a spirit. Jesus came to show us the way to eternal life... except we follow his examples we wont get it.

The scriptures is called the word of God or Gods word.....are the scriptures God??I had asked you this question before and got no retort from you.......

Enigma: Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

Therefore: the Son ... God

Therefore: the Son ... God = God the Son.

And these words were said to solomon first before it had a fulfillment on Jesus.....

Ruminate on that.........

shdemidemi: I believe you decide to 'think' that is beyond your understanding now but you believe you have an answer through your understanding to the triune nature of God.

You asked for the mother of Jesus...and I asked for the mother of the angels who are also sons of God......

If you don't have an answer why don't you just go hide your head somewhere

Bidam: you better leave the JW organisation and accept Jesus as your LorD AND yOUr God

I accept the God of Jesus Christ as my GOD........

Don't you??.......

benalvino: [size=38pt]SMH[/size] this question is dumb. you asking question we asked you to show you the relationship of the father and son is not like our earthly family hood

And your question is dumber...you asked who is Jesus' eternal mother......

You no hear say God create Jesus??........

Ok I ask you another question.....

Since son and Father now mean something else.....

Why can't we just solve this madness and say Jesus and Yahweh are brothers ...........

Why Father and son......e be like ona no know wetin Father mean and wetin son mean.......

benalvino: to summarize it for you... he is saying God is a title and the father is God the Son is God and the holy spirit too...
they are not 3 Gods but one God... in other Words God has 3 nature in which he operates to save mankind.
It was all God Yahweh till it was time for Jesus to come suddenly Father and Son distinction came out. you get the idea?

And how does the bolded define the trinity??......I think the bolded is modalism.....you guys are so confused that you can't even understand the doctrine you defend.........

So because God wan send himself him come dissociate into Son and Father.....

I laugh in ijaw language.........

Ona thank you ona hear.....then after that seperation him come forget when him go come back ,then DIE too...........

Ona do well......

so Yahweh is now the son and holy spirit......

And some daft persons are liking your post....

I have asked....since Jesus sent us are we Jesus??....

benalvino: they think is like earthly family lol... I asked him the question before... who is his eternal mother by that logic.
job said his destroyed body will raise from the grave to the face of the earth and his eyes will see God...
he is talking about Jesus

Who is the mother of all the angels in heaven and of adam??....

shdemidemi: You are talking rubbish..you are going deeper in to darkness 'all in the name of I want to win an argument'. Who is arguing that Jesus is not from God the father, if you want to go by logic- who is his mother then?

Who is the mother of all the angels in heaven??,,,,who is the mother of adam??.........oboy go rest for one better corner abeg.........

benalvino: do not use human behavior to describe God...
we all Know God is spirit and everywhere you cant sit at his right hand... on the other hand Goodluck is olodo and you can sit anywhere you want.
How can God be dumb again? abi you wan argue say Jesus no be him Word?

Lol......e never tay wey somebody use egg to describe trinity for here.......

How God no go dumb for heaven when him literal words or speech ability don come earth turn to human??.......

God should have been dumb all thru the 33 and a half years Jesus was on earth because him words from him mouth plus him words dey for earth...

Bidam: For God to reveal it to Paul the apostle that the creator of heaven and earth himself came to earth as a man has cancelled all your arguments here. Jesus no be your mate abeg.

And you come think say Jesus na Yahweh mate??.......

shdemidemi: As a believer I am part of Christ, that is where you seem to miss it. I make up his body, while he is the head. You keep looking at things from your blur view point.

I know you're part of Christs body....shouldn't that make you Jesus too??............if Jesus is the head and we are the hands,legs,belle, etc of Jesus ,shouldn't that make us Jesus??.....

Now picture this.....we all and Jesus are all from God the Father......does that ring a bell in your brain??.........

benalvino: If he is the word of God why fight with the fact?
bible says God spreads his hand and create everything alone... it says Jesus did so what does that tell you?
Jesus is part of the God and he became flesh....

your hand is part of you without your hand nothing in your note book was written.
your hand contains all the substance that makes u up and the nature of your body.
that is why Jesus the word is God.

But God say him create that word..........

So your Job is to be finding out the real meaning when it is said Jesus is the word of God............instead you are being stiff necked...that is why I been ask you wether when God being send Jesus Christ him come dumb??........

If I say seriaki dickson the governor of bayesla state is Goodlucks hand what does it mean??.......

shdemidemi: You are unreasonably adamant, no one says Christ did not come as a man, all we are explaining to you is that he did not come through a man and a woman sleeping together like you and me. His coming had been prophesied about for decades by prophets before he came, His name is 'God with Us'. Being with us as a man, he points us to His invisible self above and reverenced with himself. If I were to use my own cognisance, I would come up with an argument similar to yours but if Christ say 'me and my father are one' and commands his followers to go baptise people In the name of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost , who are you or me to separate them simply because it seems illogical to us.

and Christ says we all and Him are ONE....abeg go figure ya self out and stop being childish......................

Christ was sent and that's final.....Jesus said Just as the Father sent Him so also he is sending us...........

If you fit abeg say you and Jesus na co-equal

benalvino: before the world began there was nothing to rule over.
he created the angels and man later.

And then the after means nothing abi??......

What about Jesus being an agent in creation??....,no be responsibility be that wey God give am??..........

Smh!!!!!!!!!!

twosquare: Make e no make sense to u,since u want ur own tin....is shell nt part of an egg? When saying egg...do u refer 2 just d yolk? Hw unwise is it 2 go 2 a market, saying I want 2 buy albumen.....or yolk or even shell. Yet u say egg, won't u remove d covering b4 u start 2 eat? Is d shell nt part of wat we refer 2 as Egg?it is a common name dat both d Shell, Albumen,and Yolk bears...3 in one.c'est finis.

Next time I go to the market I would say I want to buy EGG the albumen or Egg the yolk....lmao..............

How unwise for you to say that there are 3 persons in one God and each of them God but not 3 Gods.......

Please apply that to the bolded in your comment........isn't the yolk,albumen and shell suppose to be 3 co-existing eggs ??........

[quote author=benalvino][/quote]And you think before the world began Jesus was a ruler,the king of kings,the head of the church,the high priest of God etc...??....you think so.........

What ever power or authority Jesus has it was given to him by the power..........what ever position Jesus holds is the making of God.....

Is it glory and splendor!?God gave it to him.......what more??..........what do you people want from God??.......