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benalvino: Definition of God
1.supernatural being: one of a group of supernatural male beings in some religions, each of which is worshiped as the personification or controller of some aspect of the universe
2.figure or image: a representation of a god, used as an object of worship
3.something that dominates: something that is so important that it takes over somebody's life

from here you will know God is not just a title...
that is why God say who do you know is like me... which other God who have done things he has done?
is it the man made gods that cant speak that rely people to carry them about?
or is it men?

God is not just a title.

Does the bolÐed not define who satan is too??........

GOD GOD GOD.......

Who is the only true God Jesus said sent Him??......John 17:3.

Isn't it the Father alone??.......

benalvino: but you agree he is God but the excuse you were giving is that he is not almighty... Yet mary and others calls the father mighty GOD... and Jesus was the Almighty God in revelation... How can their two be almighty God and also Mighty God at same time?

If jesus is not God what does one of the 10 commandment says? you shall not worship other gods before me... If that's the case angels and humans have don't idolatry with Jesus...

If you still think revelation 1:8 is refering to Jesus as the almighty God then you are on a long thing......

Read from the very first verse of revelation chpater 1 before you get to verse 8 and then come back to tell me that Jesus is the almighty God.........

benalvino: whats you point with the verse you just quote?
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
this doesn't explain anything...

how does it void this verse?
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in * fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross

How does Jesus being fashioned as a man make him ignorant of an important information but could know that only the Father knew the day and hour when the end would come......

You guys are just a joke.......

It was very fast for you to quote before abraham was I AM to show Jesus was in fact Yahweh but you have turned around to say that same Jesus because of his coming to. The earth no longer knows when the end would come.....

How does phillipiaÑs say Jesus left his all-knowingness in heaven??........

What I see here is all of you joking around ...........

No amount of twist can get you out of this mess.......

And why didn't Jesus inform us if the holy spirit the 3 person of the trinity knew about the day and hour??........

Answer.....

I'm waiting for anony.....

I was on drip and injections so I couldn't stick around to make my replies......

I'm back......

benalvino: God is not just a title... God doesn't mean one thing

Jesus many times called on this Father......

The scriptures all through mention this same Father.......

In the end we are told Jesus would be made subject to this Father......

Consistently the one true God has always been the Father alone

You guys might think I'm repeating questions....that is because you have simply not answered the question........

Is The Father not the one God alone??.......

Answer Yes or No.....

Remember I didn't just mention GOD...I mentiones the Father clinged to the one God.....

benalvino: because he dropped his deity for us man... so he could die for our sin. we don quote bible verse on that for you tire.

He dropped his deity but you run back to 1 timothy 3:16 to prove he never dropped his deity.........which should we take??......

Do you people realize that you are saying it was not Jesus who came to the earth with all this drop deity gibberish??....

Was this not the same Jesus who said before abraham was I AM??.......

Was this not the same Jesus who could read the minds of people on earth....??

How can you people falsely say he abandoned his God part in heaven and came to the earth.....meaning Jesus wasn't God in flesh...do we agree??....and that the Jesus who came to the earth was not completely Jesus,meaning the ransom saccrifice is a scam.....

Ok I then asked why did Jesus not remember the holy spirit when he mentioned persons who knew and who did not know when the end would come??.....

I asked that question and you,anony and your ilks all kept silent......did the holy spirit know when the end would come??.....does Jesus now know when the end would come??......

Answer these questions and stop this abandon deity farce.......

benalvino: let him worship more than one God even as one of the 10 command forbids it...
let him turn to other gods for salvation as the bible forbids it too...
let him call everyone liar... Like how he said Jesus was a liar when he says he is not a spirit...
let him display a fair amount of immaturity to us... that way he will be taken serious he may think so...
there is nothing in the bible he believe... but he believes what is on the magazine... their spiritual food... if bible says Jesus is A and the magazine says no Jesus is B... you know the one he will believe.
truthislight that is how the light get lighter and lighter... that word which is not found in the bible is use to cover the ass of the people who feed you the spiritual food when the truth suddenly become a lie later the lie turns back to truth later lie again... its called flip flop...

I have asked you if you were ready to go into a study of the word el gibbor from which mighty one,powerful one,mighty God are all gotten from??.....

That title can apply to any one.....

Mr anony: "But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God". (Luke 22:69)

The more you fight against Truth, the more it stares you in the face

New American Standard Bible
(©1995)
"But from now on THE SON OF
MAN WILL BE SEATED AT THE
RIGHT HAND of the power OF
GOD."

King James Bible (Cambridge
Ed.)
Hereafter shall the Son of man
sit on the right hand of the power
of God.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
(©2009)
But from now on, the Son of Man
will be seated at the right hand of
the Power of God."


Now don't tell me I'm quoting from another rendition......

The truth is you have never gone through a thorough examination of the word EL GIBBOR........which is also applied to humans..........

So this scripture isn't even a challenge to this discussion........

What you should have asked yourself is what Jesus is doing at the right hand of God......

This Jesus was exalted by the one GOD who is the Father......

You forget??

Bidam: Kai!!! you have already captured how ijawkid argues. You are so on point bro..

I have been asking just one question.....

Is The Father not the one God alone??.......

Ona dey stammer.....

benalvino: lmao thank you... all the question he is asking the answers are in the thread already from 1 to 40. lol

You guys have answered nothing but run around the title God .....

Who is the one God??......

I see you guys running around......

Mr anony: Don't mind him, no be today me and the guy begin argue I know Ijawkid's style:

1. When he sees a verse, first thing he does is search the internet for a bible version that renders it vaguely so that he can latch on to it. It is normal to see Ijawkid swinging from KJV to NIV to NLT to RSV and back to KJV. The funny thing is that if you quote KJV and he is quoting NIV then KJV is wrong. If you are quoting NIV and he is on KJV, then NIV is wrong. In Ijawkid's universe, only the version he quotes renders the verse correctly

2. If Ijawkid has searched the scripture and cannot find a vague translation, he'll do another search of the bible and find a verse that is completely unrelated to the context of the verse you provided for instance if you tell him that the Holy Ghost is a person because He speaks, he'll tell you that blood also speaks completely ignoring the context.

3. If that fails, Ijawkid will demand that you provide something that is not in the bible to back up what you have already showed him in the bible. For example if you show him where the bible clearly says that the Holy Spirit came from heaven, he'll ask you to show him where the Holy Spirit is in heaven conveniently forgetting that you have just shown him that the Holy Spirit came from hean.

4. Where that fails, he will start making infantile arguments involving God's mouth, eyes, and nose

5. If that fails, he'll ask you the same question ten times that you have already answered ten times before. For example after you have told him that "the Son is not the Father". He will continue asking you over and over again if the Son is the Father.

6. When all his objections fail, he will tell you that the bible is not correct and that what the bible said is not what the bible said. for instance; "the Word was God" does not mean that "the Word was God".

7. When you point out that that is a silly contradiction on his part, he'll tell you that what you are saying makes no sense. . .and so the cycle continues for 40 pages and counting

Ahhh.........

But you haven't answered the bolded.....

Have you.??...

The bolded is my problem here....

We agreed the son isn't the Father and the Father isn't the son......

Shouldn't that have rang a bell in your head that Jesus isn't God or part of a trinity??......

I showed in clear terms who the one God is..but you guys have been ranting.....

Isn't the Father alone your GOD??....

Now don't tell me I'm asking the same question over and over again.....I ask becuase it hasn't been answered...

Mr anony: Lol, so when God was speaking he wasn't using His power abi? E be like say e don tey wey you open your bible

But it didn't occur to you that it was Gods power that caused the existence of Jesus.....you dodged Jesus being the firstborn of all creation.......

Gods power in action bro.....

Mr anony: Lol, go and read it again

Naaaa.....you are being disingenous....

You said

The Father is God
The son is God
The holy spirit is God..
The Father is not the son
The son is not the Father
The holy spirit is neither the son nor the Father...

But all make up one God...

How does the gibberish up there ryhme with the 1 corinthians 8:6 you're running away from??.....

What part of the one God being the Father alone do you now understand??.......

The Father is the one God and the one God is the Father.....

Father, Father Father............

I want you to attack this post and stop this go and read again charade.......

Mr anony: He also gave up His omnipresence. It didn't stop Him from being God. If GEJ sits on the street and begs for money, he won't stop being the president, he'll only be the president in a beggar's cloak

And that would make GEJ forget all about who he was before coming as a beggar??.....how would GEJ being a beggar make him forget or not know when he has an appointment with an organization but some one else knows......

Jesus knew the angels in heaven didn't know...how did he know the angels didn't know??.........

And you skipped the holy spirit part.....

Did the holy spirit know??....

Jesus mentioned all exisiting beings in the universe but forgot one person...the holy spirit...

Why??

Mr anony: Go and read that verse again

I've read it....and my analogy stands.....

Mr anony: argument from silence

I need your answer to the question....

Please supply one

Mr anony: No it identifies the Spirit as the Lord which we are to turn to. Go and read it again

It identifies the spirit operating as the Lord of which he is a spirit...

Mr anony: not necessarily. Even if jesus didn't worship the Father, it won't prove the Father wasn't God.

But Jesus worshipped the Father to prove that the one God is the Father.....there was no way Jesus wouldn't have worshipped the Father,...The Father is his God...now since the son abandoned who he was in heaven and came as a different person or was impersonated,why shouldn't he have worshipped the holy spirit....why did Jesus exempt the holy spirit from worship??.....

Mr anony: Another argument from silence

If you have no answer just say you don't have.....we have 3 persons who make one God....the Father is whom everybody including Jesus worships...you guys claim Jesus should be worshipped and even misconstrue some verses to mean Jesus deserves to be rendered exclusive devotion to....what about the holy spirit??..have people in the past and present worshipped the holy spirit...don't tell me my questions are dumb...we must completely find out if the holy spirit is a person and then a seperate God

Mr anony: And where did the Holy Spirit descend from at Jesus's baptism? If your answer is Heaven, then you have shown that the Holy Spirit must have been present in Heaven. . . .You cannot move from point A to point B if you are never present at point A.

The holy spirit like I say is Gods power and not a seperate person....now the holy spirit was seen descending not as a person bt as a dove and once again did something that is not befitting of a person...Jesus was annointed with it.....can you be annointed with another person??...

Mr anony: yes we do, we have two persons interceding

But 1 timothy 2:5 confirms we have just on mediator and high priest who intercedes and mediates for man....

Now the question is just how did the holy spirit intercede in the verse it was quoted from.....
_________________________
Romans 8:15-16
King James Version (KJV)
15 For ye have not received the spirit of
bondage again to fear; but ye have received
the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba,
Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our
spirit, that we are the children of God:
_________________________

When the spirit of God bears witness with our won spirit ,it confirms that we are children of God and approved by God....

It was this same spirit which Jesus was filled with that could make Jesus say the same..
Mark 14:36

English Standard Version
(©2001)
And he said, “Abba, Father, all
things are possible for you.
Remove this cup from me. Yet not
what I will, but what you will.”

Now that is exactly the intercession bro...it is not like the holy spirit is like a second mediator between man and the Father.....

And mind you Jesus up there shows who the one God is.....THE FATHER

Mr anony: lol, I am seriously beginning to wonder if you can actually tell the difference between a person and a force

Ofcourse bro.......

Mr anony: Of course it is the same Spirit. The Spirit of God who speaks to us, teaches us, intercedes for us e.t.c.

And that is accomplished through humans,Jesus,angels...

You forgot to add that it is this same spirit that we are baptized with and annointed with..

If Jesus gave up his omnisprescense then is he still GOD in flesh...you guys are contradictiong the hell out of yourselves.......

Mr anony: Go and read that verse again

I've read it....and my analogy stands.....

Mr anony: argument from silence

I need your answer to the question....

Please supply one

Mr anony: No it identifies the Spirit as the Lord which we are to turn to. Go and read it again

It identifies the spirit operating as the Lord of which he is a spirit...

Mr anony: not necessarily. Even if jesus didn't worship the Father, it won't prove the Father wasn't God.

But Jesus worshipped the Father to prove that the one God is the Father.....there was no way Jesus wouldn't have worshipped the Father,...The Father is his God...now since the son abandoned who he was in heaven and came as a different person or was impersonated,why shouldn't he have worshipped the holy spirit....why did Jesus exempt the holy spirit from worship??.....

Mr anony: Another argument from silence

If you have no answer just say you don't have.....we have 3 persons who make one God....the Father is whom everybody including Jesus worships...you guys claim Jesus should be worshipped and even misconstrue some verses to mean Jesus deserves to be rendered exclusive devotion to....what about the holy spirit??..have people in the past and present worshipped the holy spirit...don't tell me my questions are dumb...we must completely find out if the holy spirit is a person and then a seperate God

Mr anony: And where did the Holy Spirit descend from at Jesus's baptism? If your answer is Heaven, then you have shown that the Holy Spirit must have been present in Heaven. . . .You cannot move from point A to point B if you are never present at point A.

The holy spirit like I say is Gods power and not a seperate person....now the holy spirit was seen descending not as a person bt as a dove and once again did something that is not befitting of a person...Jesus was annointed with it.....can you be annointed with another person??...

Mr anony: yes we do, we have two persons interceding

But 1 timothy 2:5 confirms we have just on mediator and high priest who intercedes and mediates for man....

Now the question is just how did the holy spirit intercede in the verse it was quoted from.....
_________________________
Romans 8:15-16
King James Version (KJV)
15 For ye have not received the spirit of
bondage again to fear; but ye have received
the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba,
Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our
spirit, that we are the children of God:
_________________________

When the spirit of God bears witness with our won spirit ,it confirms that we are children of God and approved by God....

It was this same spirit which Jesus was filled with that could make Jesus say the same..
Mark 14:36

English Standard Version
(©2001)
And he said, “Abba, Father, all
things are possible for you.
Remove this cup from me. Yet not
what I will, but what you will.”

Now that is exactly the intercession bro...it is not like the holy spirit is like a second mediator between man and the Father.....

And mind you Jesus up there shows who the one God is.....THE FATHER

Mr anony: lol, I am seriously beginning to wonder if you can actually tell the difference between a person and a force

Ofcourse bro.......

Mr anony: Of course it is the same Spirit. The Spirit of God who speaks to us, teaches us, intercedes for us e.t.c.

And that is accomplished through humans,Jesus,angels...

You forgot to add that it is this same spirit that we are baptized with and annointed with..

Bidam: .O yes i did.. you were in so much of a hurry to answer that you never took time to go and digest all the scripture i quoted. Your arguments is laden with emotions from long held dogmas of your organization.

Your opinion...

Bidam: YES. The Holy Spirit baptizes us.Ezekiel 36:27 "And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

Yes the holy spirit can be put withing us and enable us work to please the Father.....but you never answered the part where people are baptized with it....can you be baptized with a person??...I am not asking if one can be baptized by a person...I'm asking with??.....

Bidam: .John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever." Does a force comfort

The scriptures we have today comforts us,encourages us,builds us up,speaks to us.......

Is the bible a person??....

If one is filled with the holy spirit of God to forge ahead in doing Gods will hasn't that person been conforted by the sender of that spirit??....remember the Father is the God of all comfort....he comforts by empowering us with the holy spirit.....

Bidam: .Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour as upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son ..." The Holy Spirit aka God's Spirit is mentioned here as the Spirit of grace and supplication, does it sound like an inanimate object to you? If you took time to digest my post i said Symbol Jesus is also called a Lamb abi?

Jesus being termed as a lamb shows he was prepared for sacrifice because that is what Lambs are used for....and as we know it Jesus came to the earth and was seen and felt...he died a scrificial death,has a name etc.......

But the holy spirit isn't close to being a person as much we do know Jesus is.....now imagine if the scriptures tell you that you would be annointed with Jesus or baptized with Jesus.....how would that sound??..

Bidam: .Wrong.those are types and symbols of the Holy Spirit.Lets look at some of the functions of The Holy Spirit. A To instruct, teach, reveal. Nehemiah 9:20; Job 32:8; Luke 12:12; John
14:27; 15:26; 16:13, 14; Acts 13:2; 1 Corinthians 2: 10, 13; Ephesians 1:16, 17;
3:5; 2 Peter 1:21; 1 John 2:20, 27

B. To counsel, guide. John 14:26; 16:13; Acts 11:12; 16:6, 7; 20:22, 23;
Romans 8:14; Galatians 5:18

C. To intercede and assist in prayer. Romans 8:26, 27; Ephesians 2: 18; Jude 20

D. To comfort. John 14:16, 26; 15:26; 16:17; Acts 9:31

E. To commission to service (ministry). Isaiah 48: 16; Acts 13:2; 20:28

F. To convict of sin, to strive with sinners. Genesis 6:3; John 16:8-11

G. To give power and boldness. Acts 1:8; Acts 4:31; Ephesians 3: 16; I Timothy l :6, 7

H. To testify that we are the children of God. Romans 8:16; Galatians 4:6

I. To testify of Jesus. John 15:26 . Symbols don't do all these things i listed. A person does it.

Yes the holy spirit comforted,helped,testified,gave a witness....but how??....

Let's consider these scriptures...

New International Version
(©2011)
They disagreed among themselves
and began to leave after Paul had
made this final statement: "The
Holy Spirit spoke the truth to
your ancestors when he said
through Isaiah the prophet:

Matthew 10:19-20
New International Version (NIV)
19 But when they arrest you, do not worry
about what to say or how to say it. At that
time you will be given what to say, 20 for it
will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your
Father speaking through you.

The working of Gods spirit is done through humans...God imparts this spirit in us to speak with boldness to speak about the Father....this same spirit is what was with Jesus...all the prophets had this spirit in them to pen down the scriptures which is comforting us today....

How else do you think you are comforted today......??.....


Talking about the holy spirit being a witness or one who testifies may I remind you that water and blood are doing that same witnessing work.....

Bidam: .You are on a long thing bro.. i have showed you scriptural proofs why the Holy Spirit is called the third person in the trinity.What you did is just to ramble and argue without biblical sense that the Holy Spirit is a verb an "it" and not a NOUN.PERSON

Now you assume the holy spirit to be a 3rd person in the trinity.....

God is not a trinity...God is God the Father alone......

And there are proofs that the holy spirit isn't a person but Gods power in which he uses to accomplish what ever he wants.....

benalvino: again another verse you don't believe
the Word became flesh...
whats ur point really

But this word who is himself GOd became flesh...we all know that.....

Why should God in flesh not know when the end will come,but pointed that only one person in the whole universe knew??.....

The Father....

This is the same Father 1 corinthians 8:6 calls the one GOD.......

Mr anony: No biggie, Jesus was in the form of flesh, He gave up His God priviledges and took the form of a man (Phil 2:6-7)

And stopped being GOD??.......wasn't he GOD in that flesh?? Uh??.....

So his God priviledges he abandoned included his knowledge and memory??.......

Please try again....

Mr anony: Lol, seriously? Did you cut out all the "Let there be" in Genesis 1?

The nonsense about being in God's mouth is just infantile and silly. Was the Holy Spirit in God's nostrils when He breathed Him out too? Or was He in God's bucket when He poured Him out? If you want to argue like a child then tell me so I can go and find someone else who can argue with some maturity.

Like I said the holy spirit is Gods power...pneuma...signifying wind......

Let there. Be ofcourse was Gods command...but creation was accomplished by God using his power to accomplish all that.....let there be did not Just evoke the whole universe we see......and that command let there be isn't Jesus....

Why ??...

Becuase Jesus christ is the firstborn of all creation and also the beginning of Gods creation.....

Mr anony: Go and read my comment again here. Read it until you understand it, then come and argue with me

And your comment made no sense.....

You only seperated God into 3.....when we know the only one God is the Father......

Are the rest member of the trinity the Father??.......

Is Jesus the Father....

Mr anony: All you have done here is close your eyes and ears and sing lalalalala.

First go and 2Cor 3:16-18 and tell me if your "satan is the spirit" objection makes sense in the context that verse was used

I am using satan as an example who is also a spirit........if we have noticed a spirit that is prevalent in causing chaos in the world today,and it is then confirme that that spirit is satan,how does that differ from the point of 2 corinthians 3:16:18.....satan has its own spirit......

Mr anony: 1. what headship arrangement

God is head of Jesus....Jesus is head of man.....Man is head of woman,,,,,,who is the holy spirit head of or under the head of??

Mr anony: 2. I have just shown you that in 2Cor

Only identifies God as a spirit.....

Mr anony: 3. So what?

Shouldn't Jesus have also worshipped the holy spirit as he did the Father??.....

Mr anony: 4. false Did you cut out John 14 from your bible?

Mention just one person who worshipped the holy spirit...

Mr anony: 5. Of course the Bible says the Holy Spirit is on earth to counsel us. By the way, the way you phrased your question is quite silly. I could just as easily have replied "Christ an the Angels are not in Heaven....if you have seen them tell us." See how silly that sounds.

Ok the holy spirit is confined to the earth right??....

Oh may I remind you that we've seen Jesus in heaven,the Father ,the angels and even the saints in heaven
............

The holy spirit is totally absent....

Mr anony: By the way here is another bible verse that proves that the Holy Spirit is a person distinct from God the Father

Romans 8:27: And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will.

Now tell me how can a force intercede? Isn't this similar to how Christ intercedes for us? It is obvious that the Spirit is a distinct person making intercession to God for us

Now ask your self if we have 2 intercessors....the holy spirit and Jesus....

It is this same spirit that knows what only God knows....this spirit isn't a seperate person from God...but Gods own power,Life,and what have you...

Mr anony: Let's try another one:

Galatians 4:6 Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, Abba, Father.
Did God send two spirits or is the Spirit of the father also the Spirit of the Son?

Ijawkid, my friend, how long will you continue to deny scripture? In the end, it is either you accept it or you deny it. That's what it boils down to

The spirit of the son ofcourse is that same spirit which God has poured on Christ.....

The spirit isn't a different one..its just one.....

It is this same spirit which the apostles were able to transmit to the gentiles.....

Bidam: I can see your confusion..Let me help you a little if you are really open to learning..

I. The Holy Spirit is not an inanimate power or force, but a Person.

A. Jesus and Paul both continually referred to the Holy Spirit as "He," not "It."

John 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26; 16:7, 8, 13, 14

B. The Spirit intercedes "with groanings which cannot be uttered."

Romans 8:26

That is to say a force doesn't GROAN


C. He speaks to man.

Luke 2:26 "And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost ..."

John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he ... shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak ..."

Acts 8:29 "Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot."

Acts 10: 19, 20 "While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them."

Acts 11:12 Acts 13:2 "As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them."

Acts 21:11; 28:5; 1 Timothy 4:1

Hebrews 3:7 "Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice"

Revelation 2:7, 11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13, 22; 14:13; 22:17

D. He can be grieved (Isaiah 63:10; Ephesians 4:30); resisted (Acts 7:51);
insulted (Hebrews 10:29); and lied to (Acts 5:3).

You can see i have quoted many scriptures to prove to you that the Holy Spirit is NOT a force but A Person.It might do you some good to go back and study the scripture. What you showed us is the symbols and types of the Holy Spirit. even Jesus Christ is described as a LAMB which is a symbol or are you trying to make that literal

Scripture uses many types or symbols for the Holy Spirit.

A. Water. Isaiah 44:3; Ezekiel 36:25-27; John 7:38, 39; 4:14;
Ephesians 5:26; Revelation 22:17

B. Fire. Exodus 13:21; Psalms 78:14; Isaiah 4:4; Malachi 3:3, 4;
Matthew 3:11; Hebrews 12:24; Acts 2; 3:6-11

C. Wind. 2 Kings 19:11; Ezekiel 37:9; John 3:8; Acts 2:2

D. Oil. Isaiah 61:1, 3; Hebrews 1:9; 1 John 2:20, 27



E. Dove. Genesis 1:2 ("moved on" = "brooded over" or "fluttered," Heb.);
Matthew 3:16

And in all your rants you never answered the questions I asked.....

Can one be baptized with another person??...

Can one be annointed with another person??....

Can one be poured out on another person??.....

The holy spirit been seen in action as water,wind,dove ,fire,oil aren't symbols my bro.........they are what the holy spirit is......

It is not a person.............

that is why like oil it is used for annointing...

Like water it is used for baptism.....

And like the wind it is used for breathing life,power etc into people including Jesus........

benalvino: Yes... So is he mighty interchangeable.
Jesus is also mighty and almighty.

Yes I think its time we considered the hebrew word EL GIBBOR which is usually rendered might One,Mighty God,Powerful one........



Are you ready??...

And I do not agree that Jesus was called God almighty.......He is not....his God is the Almighty God whom Jesus,abraham,isaac,the apostles,moses,(except trinitarians) worshipped exclusively........

Thank you!!!!......

benalvino: Yeah son of God.
But is He God?

New International Version
(©2011)
yet for us there is but one God,
the Father, from whom all things
came and for whom we live; and
there is but one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom all things
came and through whom we live.


I think your question has been answered.......

ijawkid: Oya quick question for all of you.....

Mark 13:32

New International Version
(©2011)
"But about that day or hour no one
knows, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son, but only the
Father.

1......The holy spirit wasn't even close to been mentioned in a very important verse as this.......the angels who are in heaven do not have any knowledge about when the end will come......

2...According to y'all Jesus was God in human form.....fully God fully man......co-equal with the Father in all ramifications.....

Is is indeed surprising to know that Jesus himself confesses he does not know...

And yeah I'll get the reply that he left his divinity in heaven,suffered from partial amnesia and so forgot when the end will come.......

But this confession by Jesus not only shows he is seperate from the Father it goes a long way to show that the Father is the one God over all and not a combo............

3....Did the holy spirit know when the end would come??...if Yes can we confirm from the scriptures??...If No why??......


4...Why should only the Father know??......


Oya let the discussion begin.......

Remember these questions are to debunk the trinity in every way....

So make ona try....

Mr anony and any other trinitarian/modalism adherent should face this problem quoted above.....

The trinity would surely have no root by the time this discussion is over........

Mr anony: Are you purposely missing my argument or are you just blind? All your questions have already been answered here

You are the steven wonder here........

The one God is the Father alone.......

Don't act like you didn't see it.......

And to us there is but one GOD the Father...

Stop the charade........

You just danced around in that post........

1 corinthians 8:6 debunked you well in advance.........

Stop hiding behind the title God.....

Mr anony: Was Jesus Christ sent? If yes He sent as a Word. If you agree that Christ is a person then you have agreed that people can be spoken. If you already agree that persons can be spoken, then I don't see why you have a problem with persons breathed or poured.

By the way you believe that the whole of creation: trees, rocks, rivers, sun, moon, stars etc were spoken into existence and Adam was breathed into existence from being a dust figure. So what's your point exactly?

consistency bro......consistency

I don't agree with the trinitarian definition of Jesus being the word of God....Jesus isn't just the spoken word of God...Jesus isn't just Gods spoken word......from your comment you are saying Jesus was in Gods mouth and not a seperate person......is that it??........

And adam was activated as a living soul by the breathing of this same spirit which isn't a person but a life activating force into him(adam)......

A person cannot be breathed into you......no way!!!.......

And all of creation wasn't just spoken into existence,they were infact created.....

Mr anony: I never said the Holy Spirit is a separate person from God, I said the Holy Spirit is a separate person from the Father and both are God (not gods, God)

And you have failed to see that the one God in question is the Father alone....have you been missing that important information.....

All you have been doing is hide behind the title GOD......who is this one God??....the Father alone or a combo of the Father ,son and holy spirit??.....

benalvino: Hebrew 1:5
he is not an angel....

But is he God

Did you miss the spirit son of God in my comment??.......

benalvino: Simple Question yall failed to answer... who is Jesus
1: a god?
2: man?
3: a angel?
4: God?

He is the son of God??.....a spirit being in heaven.......

You could call him an angel(meSsenger of God) if you wanna......

The last time I checked he was son of God in heaven.......

twosquare: tsk tsk tsk...d truth hurts....hmmmm...deeds of d past and secret exposed.... hehehehehe

I don read link tire........as u dey read am I don read am.....

The koko here is the trinity......

Make your comments......

twosquare: dis is d reason and hw it started and error get hold of them then Till nw.visit this link:[url][/url] http://savedfromthewatchtower..com/2008/11/influence-of-johannes-greber.html?m=1
[url][/url] http://www.towertotruth.net/spiritMediums.htm

Come answer question for here.......e just dey run around dey paste links.....its going down full time.......

Oya quick question for all of you.....

Mark 13:32

New International Version
(©2011)
"But about that day or hour no one
knows, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son, but only the
Father.

1......The holy spirit wasn't even close to been mentioned in a very important verse as this.......the angels who are in heaven do not have any knowledge about when the end will come......

2...According to y'all Jesus was God in human form.....fully God fully man......co-equal with the Father in all ramifications.....

Is is indeed surprising to know that Jesus himself confesses he does not know...

And yeah I'll get the reply that he left his divinity in heaven,suffered from partial amnesia and so forgot when the end will come.......

But this confession by Jesus not only shows he is seperate from the Father it goes a long way to show that the Father is the one God over all and not a combo............

3....Did the holy spirit know when the end would come??...if Yes can we confirm from the scriptures??...If No why??......


4...Why should only the Father know??......


Oya let the discussion begin.......

Remember these questions are to debunk the trinity in every way....

So make ona try....

benalvino: Go to John 3:16 you will see all of them same time... as the voice speaks the Holy spirit descend from heaven

The holy spirit descended as??....and what did it do??.......annoint abi??...

Can one be annointed with another person??........

Bidam: you are getting it wrong bro.. what Jesus meant by blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is you attributing His gifts like speaking in tongues,prophecy,healings etc to be of the devil.

The question I asked was:::: did Jesus include the Father in that reply to his listeners??.......he said if you sin against the son it can be forgiven...right??....did he also mention the Father??........

benalvino: the way pastors speaks in tongues here is fake... lol all the account of speaking in tongues in the bible people were understanding them... and that is when they go to a city where people speak different language... the tongues some pastors speaks not even them that speaks it understand what they are saying.

Ona wan argue speaking in tongues here??....