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benalvino: Why will u need food? when your body is glorified...

And is that glorified body different from that of angels.....do angels eat food in heaven??.......abi you think say Jesus dey eat bread and fish for heaven with him fiery flamy eyes??.....

benalvino: when you understand all the meaning of flesh then we will know.... and does it mean bones can inherit? learn all the meaning of flesh n blood

Nothing pertaining to being a physical human can live in heaven.........flesh,bone,blood....all of em.........

Because food you won't eat,toilet u no go go,woman you no go fit marry,oil sef people no go fit oil,to close eye sleep sef no way, etc........

There is a reason why we have flesh.....its not for fancy......

benalvino: you trying to escape the point abi? When your Body is Glorified you can live everywhere... What u mean is God will Kill our body and let our spirit proceed... then why is the bible talking about how the body will transform? why didn't it just say your spirit will go to heaven and forget the spiritual body or glorified body thing...

the thing is you are still doubting the power of God. our hope is Jesus Bodily resurrection and say we will be like him.
don't doubt the infinite power of God that is it...
the fact that you saying God powers are limited by his own creation is what baffles me now.

I am talking about transformation my bro.....

Paul said when u plant a seed a tree grows........

What do you think happens to your mango tree or your pepper sEed before it transforms into the big tree or plant you have.??.........when you plant a mango seed is it that same seed that grows??........what happens to the seed??.......do you still see the seed when you open the soil or dig out a mango tree??.......

I am on the side that those who are ressurected are ressurected to spirit life and no longer as humans........

Because flesh can't inherit the kingdom of the heaven.........flesh is not meant for the heavenly plain.....that is how God has created things.......

benalvino: the thing is we are suppose to be on earth for ever... its not about spirit in heaven and humans on earth... but human sin which changes everything... its not about putting us in heaven. because of sin the Gospel came out and now Jesus is saying we will be like him the way he went back and same way he will comeback... Body filled with the power of God(glorified body) with God's power everything is possible.

And that body that can do everything possible is the heavenly body....the same body the angels have...that is why they could materialize (stay on earth,eat,drink and even be attractive to gay men) and de-materialize( stay in heaven).....

Why do you think the angels needed to dematerialize in other to return to there positions in heaven??......

.......how do you think the angels in the heavens look??............revelation tells of an angel standing in the sun.........


And once again its about the kind of body that survives in heaven that is the ish here..........flesh cannot.......

benalvino: So God made imperfect humans put them on earth and made imperfect spirits too? or he gave us our own will... We can choose to obey or disobey him... the purpose changed... He said man has become like us... they now know good and evil that was when Adam was shy because of he was naked. our eyes are not suppose to be opened... there shouldn't be internet or naira land... the day they eat that apple was the bet of greed technology fornication murder lies and many more.

I don't think you get me........
God created heaven put spirit creatures there....he created earth put humans(flesh and blood).....why the need for that when these humans can just live in heaven with there physical flesh without conversion??......

There is a reason why spirits live in heaven and why flesh live on earth......

benalvino: what does spiritual means? does it mean spirit? the bible has made it clear... Jesus resurrect. you say no Jesus lied to them... he deceive them.

Lol.........Jesus was ressurected but as a spirit...............

benalvino: you like excuse first you say God power cant pass through walls... for your excuse now you looking for more. his you cant prove Jesus body was dispose you cant prove many things yet you are asking me to Give u example of passing through walls. spirit don't have Body simple... Bible talks about our Glorified body.

The scriptures talks about heavenly bodies.........are the angels exempted from such heavenly bodies??........

You've did well in defining glorius body,now tell me if that body Jesus showed his disciples was a glorious one....that is my question.........and how is it Jesus could have fire in his eyes when in heaven and not when on earth after his ressurection......

All I am telling you is that flesh cannot live in the spirit realm.....its a different plane all together...God was not senseless for creating spirit beings in heaven.......

benalvino: if Adam did not sin there would have been no Abraham no Moses no Elijah no Bible Jesus wouldn't have died for our sin... so leave that question... Adam changed many things.

the question is no a valid one.

Lol.....there would have been humans all over the world if adam had not sinned...perfect humans.........

and let me tell you that adam has not and did not change Gods purpose that the earth be inhabited by earthly,fleshly,bloody and bony beings..........

That is why God made the earth and fixed humans in it and also the heavens and fixed spirit creatures there of which God is a spirit too.............

benalvino: its like asking why did God put the forbidding fruit in the garden...

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You said adam if he had not sinned against God would have lived forever as flesh and blood.......my question is if adam could still live with that body in heaven why did God create the earth and put us here??.......

Why are we here??.......why aren't we all just in heaven??........

benalvino: Paul’s reports of encountering the glorified Christ on the road to Damascus: “A great light from heaven suddenly shone around me. And I fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to me, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?’ And I answered, ‘Who are you, Lord?’ And he said to me, ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting.’ Now those who were with me saw the light but did not understand the voice of the one who was speaking to me....I could not see because of the brightness of that light” (Acts 22:6-11, ESV).

How does this describe the Jesus that was present In the midst of his disciples after his ressurection??..........
How??......

nlMediator: You guessed wrong. I actually studied that Scripture before I ever posted it here. Your take or translation does not capture the full meaning. The word used in Acts 3:15 is "archegos" which KJV transaltes as Prince here or Author in Heb. 2:10. According to Strongs, the word "primarily signifies one who takes a lead in, or provides the first occasion of anything . . . .In Heb. 2:10, the word suggests a combination of the meaning of leader with that of the source from whence a thing proceeds [] That Christ is the Prince of life signifies the life He had was not from another; the Prince or Author of life must be He who has life from Himself."

So, it's not just about leading to something (life) but ALSO about being its source or orginator. And this source does not get the life from another.

Maybe, you'd want to share your own study and its source so we can compare notes.

Lol........wow......and please compare your exegesis with John 6:57...

New Living Translation (©2007)
I live because of the living Father
who sent me; in the same way,
anyone who feeds on me will live
because of me.

English Standard Version
(©2001)
As the living Father sent me, and
I live because of the Father, so
whoever feeds on me, he also will
live because of me.


How does Jesus being the sole source of all life allign with this verse??..........

Jesus' life is dependent on the Father.......sparkling truth......

Author and leader in acts 3:15 shows Jesus as one who through Him we would gain life......

Jesus leads us to eternal life............

If you insist Jesus is self existent then I would say we are too....

Soon they'll say God can choose to have a different will because he was in human form......

benalvino: he was cursed when he sinned... the flesh adam have was suppose to live for ever... that is the point... when he sinned flesh became disease and we will still have that flesh but it will gain its immortality back. and it will be even better that what adam had before.

Lool....was paul discussing sin in 1 corinthians 15:35-55??........

Was he??........

So if adam did not sin would he still have gone to heaven??....its like you guys don't even know why the earth was created in the first place and why we are here.........

If humans can live in heaven why are we here in the first place??.......

benalvino: The Lord Jesus Christ...will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body. (Philippians 3:20-21)
(Matthew 17:2). The Transfiguration appears to have given us a preview of Christ’s glorified body.

"I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was someone “like a son of man,” dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance. When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.” (Revelation 1:12-18) this is the description of his glorified body also see the transfiguration of Christ... he was in his glorified state

Stop using passing through wall as example not to follow the bible teaching... I see you are looking for reasons not to believe the bible... Philippians 3:21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

And when Jesus was ressurected and appeared in front of his disciples were his eyes beaming with flames,,,??,,,,,was his hair as white as snow??was his feet like bronze??and was a sword coming out of his mouth when he was before the apostles after his ressurection......??....

Answer me........

How does the description in revelation fit with what Jesus was after his ressurection here on earth??...how??......

This is why you must agree that in heaven only spirits reside.....how can flames be coming out of the eyes of a human with flesh??.......how??.....answer....

@benalvino....this was the question one asked that led to all of pauls description as to what kind of body would those who would live in heaven have.....

1 corinthians 15:35

35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead
raised? With what kind of body will they
come?”


Body type was the focal point of pauls reply and not sin in general....

benalvino: Maybe you people should learn how flesh is used to mean different thing in different scenario... flesh and blood in that case means sin, curse, weak etc... if you read further you will understand.

you your self teach flesh cannot survive in heaven even with the power of God in it... well I say you are wrong.

you also teach that Gods kingdom will come to earth... now this is where you contradict your self because flesh can survive earth now but it is corruptible, mortal... but when we put on the incorruptible the immortal body the Glorified Body filled with God's Power we will be able to change dimensions and filled with powers...

Flesh and blood means sin, curse of the flesh etc. read further that passage and understand what it means and not taking words out of context.

Please read 1 corinthians 15:40-50 and tell me if paul was discussing sin or the type of body persons would have to stay in heaven.......paul was no where near to talking about flesh and blood to mean sin or curse....

Was adam cursed when he was created with flesh and blood??.........

benalvino: how is that different from Phillip? why use locked room as an excuse... is it possible to walk on water? How can walking on water is special before Jesus Gets his Glorified body but passing through walls is impossible? why you no wan accept the truth...

Provide the example I want........a glorified body that can pass thru locked rooms isn't that of humans.......that is my point...it is either Jesus was ressurected back as a human or he wasn't .......

Mr anony: How do you know this to be true? the bible said "flesh and bone" for some, "flesh and blood" for others and sometimes only "flesh".

You see, the problem with you is that you are applying different criteria for different scripture. If I asked you how you know Jesus Christ was drained of blood, you'll say the bible doesn't mention that he had blood. My challenge to you then is to apply the same criteria to every place where the bible doesn't mention that people have blood or bones starting with Adam and Eve.

And my basis for this argument is that flesh and blood cannot inherit the heavenly kingdom........

So you can dance around flesh ,blood and bone...that's your busineSs........

If I remember well the scriptures say man and woman God made.....so adam and eve had blood pumping through there veins which made the humans......

benalvino: you didn't answer anything... and that is not weird... Jesus walk on water raise up dead people many things. so he can appear anywhere without problem... Bible never said he pass through walls by the way.

Jesus passed thru a locked room....abi him break the house enter??.......Jesus appeared from no where into a room where the apostles were and was in there midst.....didn't the Jewish homes have walls or some kinda brick covering there homes??....

walking on water is spatial......appearing into a locked room goes beyond Just a miracle God would want a complete flesh to do..........

Mr anony: And your bible taught you that?

YES

Mr anony: That's like saying you don't use the terminology 'round' to define a circle

Must I use it??......is it a must I must use round to define a circle??...

Mr anony: You'll have to show just one verse that proves that God is one person and one being

1 corinthians 8:6......the one GOD is the Father...is the Father not 1 being??.....

Now your turn.....show me that 3 persons make one GOD......
[quote author=Mr anony]I didn't say he partially died. I said He died in human form

For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison...... 1Peter 3:18-19

Now please tell me again where you read that Christ didn't exist for 3 days

Lol........God died in human form and still didn't die then. .....abi??.....isn't God in human form suppose to be GOD??......how can you escape this contradictions.....God didn't die partially but died as a human.....what rubbish!!!!!!!.......

And Jesus didn't exist for 3 days.....where in that verse says while in the grave Jesus went out to preach to the spirits.........do you even believe in the reSsurection??......

Mr anony: Please feel free to tell me what you mean by death and how it differs from a situation where a man's heart stops beating, his brain cells stop functioning, he stops breathing and all his organs and cells collapse

I guess brain dead people who are buried and have there brains still active in there graves.....

Jesus shouldn't have been buried if he would still be existing in the grave....what's the need for burying him??.....

I guess the muslims might just be right after all.....

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Mr anony: Yes in the same way you are assuming Eve had blood flowing in her veins. That answer is very straightforward

How am I alluding.....all those who came from adam have blood running through there veins......

Wrong??.......

Your answer isn't straight forward.......

benalvino: that means you are saying God doesn't have that kind of power... isn't that what this statement means? someone who created space and time and all the dimensions and now you are saying he doesn't have that kind of power... you cannot explain this one... the main question did jesus lie when he said he will raise his body(FLESH) and did he lie when he Said he is not a SPIRIT... this is the question that makes truthislight stop to reply me... you are dodging it... I need a simple YES OR NO.

And I think I have answered what Jesus meant by body which was raised up............

And when he materialized to his apostles he was correct when he said they weren't seeing a spirit......he was physical to them.....I asked you in return......did the gays during sodom and gomorah question if it were spirits they were clamouring to sleep with or not??.........weren't they seeing those angels physically with flesh??.

God being all powerful does not mean he makes flesh and blood do the wierdest of stuffs.........like passing through locked rooms......

And making flesh live in heaven............

Mr anony: As I said, I have already answered you. If you don't like my answer you are always welcome to show exactly what you don't like about it.

You know your answer isn't straight forward.....

Your answer is alluding to the fact that Jesus had blood running through his veins after he was ressurected......

Am I right??......

Mr anony: Another strawman, I never said God is "made up of" I said God is three persons and one being.

Lol........and still you fail.........God is not 3 persons and one being.......God is 1 person and one being..........

Mr anony: Interesting, so your God is not omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent? Are you sure you even know who God is at all?

I said I don't use those terminologies to define GOD.......that's what I said......

and like I said many scriptures prove God is one being and 1 person........kindly draw out a verse that says God is 1 being but 3 persons........just a verse......

Mr anony: Please show from scripture that Christ did not exist for three days

Lol.......you show me that he existed and that he partially died..........

I don't know how you have chosen to twist the definition of death.......

Mr anony: asked and answered

........keep decieving yourself........

A simple Yes or No answer is making you dance around....

Mr anony: No that's only your strawman

Naaaa......that isn't bro.......

Mr anony: I also know that Jesus rose from the dead in a human body.

And was blÓod running in Him??......

Answer and let me go to my work place........

Mr anony: This is a poor way to approach this question. You are assuming that for a thing to be true, there must be one veres that states it verbatim.

But I can quote scriptures verbatim that shows God is made up of just one person and not 3 persons...how about that??.....

Mr anony: I can bet you that you won't see one verse that states verbatim that God is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent and all loving. You will have to deduce that by combining multiple verses. Does this mean that the bible doesn't teach it?

And sorry I don't even employ the use of those terms in describing God.......but what we are all sure of is that the 1 GOD is made up of just one person and not 3 persons.......a plethora of scriptural verses can attest to that......

Mr anony: This is a category error, and a false equivocation on your part. lying is something you do, dying is something that happens to you.

And your not getting me..uh??,.....I just gave an instance of things that God cannot do and things that can't happen to GOD......and I am saying if God in human form can be killed(which is an impossibility),then one can say God being human can make him lie..

GOD cannot LIE
GOD cannot diÉ.....

Figure the above.....

Mr anony: Furthermore what it means for God to die is very different from what it means for man to die.
What does it mean for man to die? It means; he stops breathing, his heart stops beating, his internal organs stop working and his whole body collapses. Did this happen to Jesus Christ? Yes it did.

May I correct the bolded.....THE ONE TRUE GOD cannot DIE.

Trying to convince one that God can die would be like convincing one that GOD can LIE.........

Mr anony: Now what does it mean for God to die? God isn't like man whose life depends on working organs. For God to die it simply means that He would stop existing. Did Jesus Christ stop existing? No He didn't.

If Jesus did not stop existing then Jesus didn't die my bro and christianity is a sham.....

Mr anony: Therefore God in human form died but God in his true essence lives forever.

Take your filthy doctrine off this thread.........

May I bring it to your notice that God the Father is the one GOD I know........and he didn't die......but Jesus died and stopped existing for 3days........

Mr anony: You are still asking this banza? please tell me, are you insisting that Eve had blood running in her veins? If yes, show from scripture.

What question is this??....for the fact that women who came from her have blood running through there veins so also the mother of all must have....besides all those who came from adam are living souls......
when adam became a living soul was blood not in his system??.......

Mr anony: Lol, where in the bible did you get the definition that a soul is made of flesh and blood? By the way if you are going to answer for Eve like that then I'll also make my deductions and say that according to the bible, the life of a human/animal is in the blood so I don't have to start thinking too much to see that Jesus had blood in His veins when He resurrected.

Lol........I know you know eve had so much blood running through her veins..........and oh you have to think if Jesus had blood in his system after ressurection......because we would want to find out if he was human after ressurection .........

Mr anony: Pardon me but this is quite a silly answer. consider Genesis 2:23

.....Then Adam said, This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of a man.

Since blood was also not mentioned here, does this mean Adam and Eve were without blood too?

As you at it with genesis please know that flesh and blood and bone cannot inherit the kingdom of the heavens...........

It Ís your colleague here who is insisting the glorified body for heaven is strictly flesh and bone.........

benalvino: Jesus lie? that's what you just said... He told his disciples he is not a spirit... I don't want to show u proof scriptures just explain my Jesus deceive his disciples according to your beliefs... please explain...

it is shocking how what you believe is calling jesus liar not once but twice.

Jesus did not lie to his disciples........he only showed them proof that it was him(Jesus).......


And please the disciples thought Jesus was some dead ghost(because ofcourse Jesus' kind of ressurection had never occured before)......Jesus did experience a ressurection and the first of its kind.......

Ressurection to spirit life in heaven..........


All that mattered there was that Jesus had to show his disciples that it was Himself......

That is where the materialization came in......

you can ask the men of sodom and gomorahh who insisted on sleeping with the angels who visited them if they were viewing at ghosts or men with physical structure...........

benalvino: I have asked him how Jesus walked on water too... he said no since I said Philip get from city A to city B in a blink of an eye it doesn't apply to passing through walls... you he doesn't even trust the power of God again...

We've seen servants of God been transported to different locations from the ones they were initially........we've never read accounts of holy spirit filled servants of God passing through the locked homes of people.......if you have you can evoke out an example.....