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benalvino: yeah I see it that way... things like jesus body was dispose by the power of God they believe even if it was not in the bible... things like jesus materialize with human body after is resurrection they believe but he says it was his body that died... all this teaching are not in the bible they believe them. But John 1:1 says Jesus is God they refuse to believe.

We believe spirit messengers of GoÐ could materialize and de-materialize which is ofcourse in the scriptures.......

So don't say the phenomenon behind the explanation of Jesus' ressurection and bodily appearance and is ability to pass through thick wall isn't scriptural.............

benalvino: don't mind him he doesn't want to accept the truth... I have provide 3 verses jesus is called almighty and there can not be 2 almighty also God cannot be almighty and mighty at the same time... so is Jesus.

Then please tell us who was giving Jesus the revelations he was disseminating...........

Who??....still Jesus??......

The whole problem lies in the beginning of the book of revelation......

Until you follow that order of how these visioÑs came you can't decipher who is the almighty GOD or not.........

And please quote the 3 places where Jesus is called the almighty GOD.......was it the romans 9:5,titus 2:13 and 2 peter 1:1 you quoted??.....was it those scriptures??.....

And its like I missed the mighty GOD aspect of it........which I would want us to deliberate on.......

If you want we could analyze the word EL GIBBOR which the expression MIGHTY GOd is coined from.......

benalvino: when was God pierced? did God tell you he was coming? when God give Daniel Isaiah them that same revelation them go around they shout say them be alpha and omega?

even before the revelation Jesus was called almighty

You have not alligned your conclusions with revelation 1:1....until you do you would keep having the same problem.......

And God wasn't pierced....rather his son was pierced........I thought this particular ish was clarified when John quoted from the book of zechariah to affirm it wasn't God who was pierÇed but was a seperate person(his son)

benalvino: the word of God is God... there for they are coeternal.

The word of God is which God??......

Do we have to go back to semantics??....

was the word of God the GOD it was with??........

So I ask:::...how many GODs do we have from John 1:1??........

1 or 2??.......

benalvino: I will show you just three but there is more.


2 Corinthians 6:18
And will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, said the Lord Almighty.

rev 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, said the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 4:8
Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: "'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,' who was, and is, and is to come."

Now can we all go back to revelatÍon 1:1 to solve this fiasco??.......

When you open revelation 1:1 and read it and then further read thru all of revelation who would you conclude is the almighty GOD??.......

Revelation 1:1

New Living Translation (©2007)
This is a revelation from Jesus
Christ, which God gave him to show
his servants the events that must
soon take place. He sent an angel
to present this revelation to his
servant John,


If God who again is the source of all knowledge is giving Je§us visions which in turn is passed to an angel and then to John why would you wake up to say Jesus is the almighty GOD??.....where did you fling the GOD who gÀve him the revelation in the first place.......

benalvino: I disagree with your explanation... if he is the source that doesn't mean he is the one that creates everything alone... Jesus did it like the bible says. but now Jesus is removed. What you explained only caused contradiction.

Why not alone??.......if He existed alone before Jesus became the beginning of his creative works how does that negate the alone part??........


I just gave you an exact scenario with the saviour example........

God the Father remains thÉ source from which all life Íncluding Jesus came from......so Jesus attesting to that fact here on earth in no way is a lie.......Jesus was an agent and so could make that statement that tallies with what you read at isaiah......

Itsfacts: Yes good question ijawkid start looking for a bible that translate it a bit different because you keep changing bible. This time I doubt it will work

Naaa..I just gave him a sound retort up there..........

Meanwhile you have not told me the name of the holy spirit....you have your own assignment o.......

benalvino: John 1:1... the Word...

Colossians 1:16 through Him all this were created that's what you guys stand by... like claiming God create every thing through Jesus.

Since the Word is part of God... like the Spirit of God... it is safe to say Jesus is God and through the Word all things where created. remember the Word is God.

to prove further that the word is GOD... God claims he created everything alone. see the scripture below.

Isaiah 44:24
"This is what the LORD says-- your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,

Jesus is God... all of you who argue please tell me how you can translate Isaiah 44:24 and compare it to the other verses.

my little home work for you guys

Him alone means he is the source of everything that has ever existed........1 corinthians 8:6 confirms that.......


Same as when he says he is the only saviour even when we know he carried out his saving acts through his servants who were representatives and as such called saviours too..............


This is why even when Jesus was on earth he attributed creation of the heaven and earth to the Father alone and not to himself, because Jesus knew fully well he was Gods agent
My bro no confusion here.......

Cool down and disect scriptures....

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Debroslink: what is the meaning of Jesus calling God his Father? John 5:18 says it all. He is equal with God. CASE SETTLED

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And hope you Çan add a verse to explain why Je§us called God his GOD??.....

Maybe from now on when I say the Father is my Father I'll end up been equal with the Father.............then I guess we are all equal with the Father because we have all at one time or the other called the Father ,MY FATHER

Debroslink: what is the meaning of Jesus calling God his Father? John 5:18 says it all. He is equal with God. CASE SETTLED

Lol.....

New International Version
(©2011)
For this reason they tried all the
more to kill him; not only was he
breaking the Sabbath, but he was
even calling God his own Father,
making himself equal with God.


So Jesus calling God his own Father made him equal to his Father......

Now I know your mind is as warped as those of the stubborn Jews who existeÐ in Jesus' time..........

I think say Ýou wan show me better scripture sef.....you even quoted a verse that repels your thinking that Jesus is equal to his Father......

And debroslink you would have to take note that Jesus has a Father over him.....learn to be consistent with scriptures or else you go jam big rock.......

Itsfacts: ijawkid them say na angel. God throway Jesus body when him die... Say the man Jesus no they exist again instead na bro Michael then flex heaven.

Lol....who said Jesus isn't existing again....your claims are like saying becaÙse you call Jesus IMMANUEL then Jesus does not exist again........Jesus played the role of Micheal from scriptural evidence Ànd that is the point........

Debroslink:
U my friend are d one confused. Jesus told his disciples "he that has seen me has seen the Father". Isaiah called Jesus "Everlasting Father". U still don't get this fact shey? Jesus and God the Father are equal in power. Mind you, you are yet to answer my 3 simple questions.

Did isaiah call JesÙs THE everlasting Father??..........

Please take note of the definite article.......is Jesus the everlasting Father or would be called.....??......

Now I would want you to rove round the scripture and see how Jesus acted in those names above...

ask yourself in what sense did Jesus become an Éternal Father??.......

Itsfacts: that dude finished work on you guys trying to say holy spirit is a force. Its now physic right? He has cleared it maybe you should read his post again. He is the most sincere person here seeing him correcting folks that are on his side even agree to some extent with ijawkid. You guys are the one who can't seem to take the truth

What truth??.....that God is divided into 3 persons but yet not 3 gods but 1 god...is it that thrash you want me to gulp??......

And I'm hap¶y you're now here.....¶lease tell us the name of the holy spirit...........

And mind you:::...I know benalvino is a sincere guy.....

Debroslink:
like I said, let's leave the matter of Holy Spirit 4 now and concentrate on Almighty Jesus

It seems you've forgotten the real reason why this thread was created....please check up the topic of this thread........

If we don't talk about the holyspirit would your trinity stand??.....

Debroslink: angel lol.

which angel has ever demanded WORSHIP? My man, u have lost it patapata.

When you say worship what Ðo you mean??........

But u dey deny say na angel of GOD??......

Debroslink:
The Holy Spirit is the Seven Spirits of God, but don't let us delve into that 4 now. My question is show me in the bible where exalted and eternal Christ while in heaven worshipped God.

What!!!!!..........

The seven spirits of God is the holy spirit??.....

I'm so shocked.....chineke oooo.......

Debroslink:
let God be true and all men liars. God can't lie. But God can turn to a man. Who was that man that fought with Jacob @ night, which Jacob later confessed to be God? Who was that man that Joshua saw holding a sword and instructed Joshua to WORSHIP Him? I can go on and on.

That man was an angel of GOD....you know read am for the scriptures??.......

Itsfacts: But Jesus receive worship.
so who is Jesus? John 1:1 says he is God. Big G

Which worship??..... Being bowed down to as Gods appointed king or he being worshipped as thÉ only one GOD??......

Please answer.....

Debroslink: Heb 3:16 says it all. He was made lower than the angels. If angels could worship God, why not Jesus who was made lower than them? Show me in the bible where Jesus or Holy Spirit worshipped the Father while in heaven, or keep quiet forever.

See me see problem o.........

Jesus called the Father my GOD umpteen times....what is God the Father,God over Jesus for??............for azonto sake or what??......please read 1 corinthians 15:24-28 again and again and again.......

Jesus says I always do the things pleasing to my Father...please try and except worship from that statement.....

And like it has been seen on this thread,the holy spirit is no where to be found in the heavens.....if you have seen the holy spirit in heaven before please show us from the scriptures.............

Debroslink:
To save mankind, God became a man and was tempted. Hebrews2:16 and especially v18. He was tempted so that he will be able to give succour to those that are tempted. What a loving God-Man Saviour.

It is blasphemy to say God chose to becomÉ man....meaning God has totally lied and contravened the person he really Is.....


GOD cannot be tempted....don't you understand english??.........

God cannot be seen........

God cannot die nor can he be killed.....

God cannot LIE.......

You guys have made God a blatant liar by this pagan tool called the trinity...........

Debroslink:
I have told u b4 now not to quote all these adulterated versions of the scriptures. Let our arguments be based on the KJV.

U expected Jesus to say "worship me" shey? then dat's pride which is not His character. If angels worship Jesus, why not Satan? If Jesus is not a member of Yahweh, why do man, angels and demons worship Him? Didn't God say He will never share His glory with anyone?

Why didn't Jesus tell satan to worship Him....remember worship here in this context does not just mean bow down or prostrate......worship in this context entails giving exclusive devotion to the one true God of which Jesus isn't ..............

If Jesus could not boldly tell satan that I am God and so worship must come to me then Jesus isn't God.......

Thank you my bro......

Even before Jesus was tempted I hope you know he was praying to his Father and worshipping the Father......

Jesus worshipped the Father which negates the Fact that he is the same with the Father....

Debroslink: And Jesus replied "do not tempt the Lord ur God. Answer these question, was Satan tempting God the Father there? How come Jesus made such statement if He were not God?

Please read deuteronomy6 :16 from which Jesus quoted from or evoked .....

New International Version
(©2011)
Do not put the LORD your God to
the test as you did at Massah.

New Living Translation (©2007)
You must not test the LORD your
God as you did when you
complained at Massah.


Stop this charade and see that Jesus is different from his God and Father.....go read up how the isrealites tested God and tell me if Jesus had succumbed to satans test he would not have been putting his God and Father to the test...


Mayb you can say when Jesus told satan that it is only Yahweh the one God we should worship he was refering to himself.......

Itsfacts: I have been going through the post and I have to admit benalvino is good. Learnt alot from him.

Benalvino that ran away from the clea® fact that Jesus had a beginning....

I thought you could have helped him explain how Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God........

Ahhh.!!!!!!....you ran and hid your face..............

benalvino: I wont answer this question because you keep drawing me back... I have answered this type more than 10 times you keep rephrasing it.

Has Jesus stopped being Gods servant??......

You never answered that in all your comments on this thread........

Is Jesus not still a servant and messenger of God,,,,,??.....has he retired??

benalvino: Being in the form of God... you know this verse? then he became a servant... then he put on human flesh... then he was even obedient to death... Yes he is a servant(messenger). all this are just excuses bro.

And he was the servant of who??......

Jesus was obedient...to who??.....

Lol......was Jesus your servant??......was Jesus sent by you??.......

Who was Jesus servant to??........

And has he stopped being Gods servant??......

Dux-01:
Do you know the meaning of saviour? the term Saviour is not used for any man but Jesus.God simply used man to deliver some people.come on what are you sayn?Jesus is the only saviour not any man.acts 4:12.

Let me go and find out those scriptures where servants of God in the past were called saviours..........

God elects saviours to lead his people.......and so is the case of Jesus.......

Moses was told to be God to pharoah.....how does that stop God from being the almighty God??......

shdemidemi: Some sort of impersonation by Christ, right? He was not really the almighty he only acted to be in resurrection?

But isaiah never said he was the almighty na......abi na almighty God them write there??.....

Those statements been futuristic shows that Jesus isn't the almighty God.......because God does not wait to be the almighty....he is............and may I remind you again that it was God who sent Jesus...just trying to remind incase you've forgotten....

benalvino: if I write a bible and put that Holy spirit is active force... you will quote ben's translation to support your argument... sorry man the bible never said God was an angel...

...but God was called a messenger abi??......

.....messenger sweet pass??.....

benalvino: So why u say Jesus is the savior?

Because he was appointed by Yahweh to be the saviour of the world.........

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benalvino: the bible teaches that the LORD GOD is also the savior... how is he going to dodge this one?

Hope you know there were saviours that existed before Jesus came??.......

Because God appoints a saviour to rescue his people in no way negates God from becoming the ultimate saviour he is.........

benalvino: now derby bible is the truth the one that was truth the order time is incorrect... new world translation wont even do this... seriously you got to stick to one bible... KJV my recommendation... there is nothing like angel in that passage... even the one fake ones you quote that has angel the too doesn't agree with each other... it doesn't even say jesus is an angel SEE BELOW!!! try and be sincere here.

New International Version (©2011)
"I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty.
New Living Translation (©2007)
"Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. Then the Lord you are seeking will suddenly come to his Temple. The messenger of the covenant, whom you look for so eagerly, is surely coming," says the LORD of Heaven's Armies.

English Standard Version (©2001)
“Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the LORD of hosts.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming," says the LORD of hosts.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
See, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. Then the Lord you seek will suddenly come to His temple, the Messenger of the covenant you desire--see, He is coming," says the LORD of Hosts.

International Standard Version (©2012)
"Watch out! I'm sending my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly, the LORD you are looking for will come to his Temple. He is the messenger of the covenant whom you desire. Watch out! He is coming!" says the LORD of the Heavenly Armies.

NET Bible (©2006)
"I am about to send my messenger, who will clear the way before me. Indeed, the Lord you are seeking will suddenly come to his temple, and the messenger of the covenant, whom you long for, is certainly coming," says the LORD who rules over all.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"I'm going to send my messenger, and he will clear the way ahead of me. Then the Lord you are looking for will suddenly come to his temple. The messenger of the promise will come. He is the one you want," says the LORD of Armies.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom you seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom you delight in: behold, he shall come, says the LORD of hosts.

American King James Version
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom you seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom you delight in: behold, he shall come, said the LORD of hosts.

American Standard Version
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant, whom ye desire, behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Behold I send my angel, and he shall prepare the way before my face. And presently the Lord, whom you seek, and the angel of the testament, whom you desire, shall come to his temple. Behold he cometh, saith the Lord of hosts.

Darby Bible Translation
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts.

English Revised Version
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in, behold, he cometh, saith the LORD of hosts.

Webster's Bible Translation
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, will suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he will come, saith the LORD of hosts.

World English Bible
"Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me; and the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, behold, he comes!" says Yahweh of Armies.

Young's Literal Translation
Lo, I am sending My messenger, And he hath prepared a way before Me, And suddenly come in unto his temple Doth the Lord whom ye are seeking, Even the messenger of the covenant, Whom ye are desiring, Lo, he is coming, said Jehovah of Hosts.

My ish here is the hebrew word used in that verse is what an angel is rendered as.........

The reason why angel was used in the 2 translations I quoted was because Jesus was coming from heaven............

You asked for where Jesus was called an angel...and I provided it...........

Please check up the hebrew word and come back here and let's discuss........