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elampiro:
Your assumptions are wrong. At one point, it appeared like all the media in England had an agenda against Rooney. Everyone said Rooney was was holding Mkhitaryan back in the number 10, the next thing was that Rooney was the reason Martial is not playing the number 9. But Rooney said considering what was on ground in the training ground, he was still good to start on merit. But the media would not back off, they said Rooney was holding Manchester United back after every draw or loss, the next 6 days was media analysis how Rooney was the obstacle. Then he left to Everton.

I wonder where you were at the time.

Mkhitaryan never played under LVG.

Paul Parker is always a Man Utd critic and he understands the British media bias so he doesn’t count.

The challenge(in case you forgot) is to find any article that asked Rooney to be dropped under LVG. LVG left United in the summer of 2016. Any article you post after July 2016 does not count.

Try again.

elampiro:
You must have been living in planet Z

Find an article from an English journalist that asked Rooney to be dropped in the LVG era. I am waiting…….

Harry Kane refused to turn up for preseason and pundits were licking his arsę that there must be a reason for him doing so cos he’s usually a seasoned professional.

Meanwhile, Pogba’s agent(not Pogba himself) hinted that his client might seek a move to another club and the same pundits were cursing Pogba. Pogba did a hair style that has blue in it and they cursed him on live TV that he wants to move to Man City.

Mrviktor:
Source.. Twitter..

Ronaldo: 4 goals in 7 premier League games.

Messi: 0 goals in 5 Ligue 1 games.

Guarantee you if it was the other way round you'd never, ever hear the end of it.

You are absolutely correct.

Even the media and the pundits are quiet over this. If Ronaldo hadn’t scored a league goal since his return to the PL, there would be millions of articles stating he’s finished.

hensben:
So you know his style of play is expensive and then you went ahead to rate him above Klopp.

Yep!

His style wasn’t expensive in that Sextuple season. His net spend that season was around £50m.

He didn’t make excuses about DNA, cultural reset or all the buzzwords today’s managers use to hide their incompetence.

Dude came in, sold some of the best players in the squad and bought few technicians and he went on to win the TREBLE.

Until that season, only 4 managers had won the continental TREBLE in European football. I cannot think of a greater achievement as a rookie manager. Hansi Flick comes close too though.


Imagine if Ole won Sextuple in his debut season, Olesexuals would have built a massive cathedral for him by now and force every United fan to worship the Norwegian fraud.

thorrvik55:
Tiki Taka originated from Pep?

The Pep version advanced the total football invented by Cryuff.

Pep went 6 levels higher. The Cruyff’s total football never starved opponents of possession. The Pep version made use of a conductor(Busquets). Pep used several other ideas to develop his version like using false 9, gengenpressing(Klopp actually copied this from Pep), false full backs, false 8s, inverted wing forwards, etc.

The only downside of Pep’s football is that it requires gazillions of money or special talents to work and it’s a system that can only work with ball playing individuals all over the pitch(including the goalie). So it’s an expensive project but the rewards are also huge. Other than that, Pep plays the purest form of football ever seen on the planet.

I slam Pep a lot but credits have to be given to him for what he’s done in the game.

hensben:
So you think pep is better than Klopp? If you think so I will want you to state your reason.

Pep is considerably better than Klopp.

Pep’s football strategy is still being talked about - one could say he completely revolutionized football. His style was so successful that his national team adopted it and won 3 major international competitions.

Nobody talks about KloppBall in such manner. No international team has adopted Klopp’s heavy metal football or given the same accolades like that of Pep’s. It’s not only the trophies that Pep is superior to Klopp, Pep’s legacy is there too and it’s etched in history forever.

elampiro:
Was it not British media that kept saying Rooney should be dropped by Van Gaal? England captain

I am sure that never happened. You just cooked it up. No English pundit would say such.

hoopLA:
I can name 20 Governors Cup coaches that are better than Ole

I know this thing will enter inter-class coach by the end of today.

Varane brought some level of sanity to this defence today.

Fewer brain farts than the what is usually seen.

hoopLA:
I can mention 10 NUGA coaches better than Ole

You are breaking the hearts of Olesexuals, don’t make them commit suicide.

hoopLA:
Bro I can name 10 Benenois league coaches better than Ole.

You people are killing me with these jokes.

Leyqute:
I can name 50 FPL managers that are better than Ole.

You mean there are fantasy premier league managers better than Ole?

Elampiro, please come outside.

Joezinho:
Are these players happy? Smh

They aren’t happy but their credibility and brands are on the line too.

They don’t like losing as well so they would give everything to win.

It’s up to the board to do their job and sign an elite manager.

TrebleChamp:
Awọn "Ronaldo is the problem at United" crew should line up to collect well deserved slap(s). Plastic Messi fans watching football with sentiment.....

They want Ronaldo to be pressing, chasing defenders like a dog in the park.

Ole seems to be saving the energy of his top players for Atalanta.

codedguy1:
Its frustrating. There is no way we have the players we have and will be struggling and losing games we are expected to win.

When we win today Ole will be thinking he has done something.

I can name 10 Nigerian league managers that are better than Ole.

codedguy1:
Lloris dey look for ball wey cavani play. It was like the ball disappeared and appeared rolling into the net.

Deft finish.

If Cavani had used force, it could have deflected off Lloris.

This level of finishing is innate. Rashford would have blasted it.

Joezinho:
See squad. Yet we struggle to win.

Ole Gollum the cursed failure, e nor go better for you..

Individual talents will always bail Ole out.

An astute observer still knows Ole has no plan. It’s been 3 years and Ole’s defence still cannot pass their way out of a press.

Ronaldo is unbelievable.

I don’t know what to say anymore.

How does he do this over and over again?

How?

Maguire and Shaw on yellow cards already.

The 2 most useless defenders in the division.

The combined age of our strikers is 70.

Ole promised youth, DNA, United way, pace in the attack.

Roy Keane is destroying Maguire and Shaw.

This is elite punditry.

CrystalTiger:
This Chelsea is the team to beat..Tuchel would probably win the EPL and UCL in just 18months ..

They said he’s a useless manager for losing 2-5 to West Brom last season.

Ole lost 1-6 but he is a brilliant manager.

eph12:
I just love the way Lamptey carries the ball. Pawa and pace

We should swap AWB with Lamptey.

He reminds me of Rafael, he’s so brave in attack.

Oasis007:
Board ain't ready. Na we Fans den dey torture.

Fans who expect or hope for good results.

Nothing Ole does can shock me again. He’s a hopeless manager even if he wins the next 10 games.

Oasis007:
I swear, with 3 at the back, DVB should have played instead of McTom.

I don’t think we will ever get the chance to watch VDB in the midfield again.

So Ole can play 3 at the back but Conte isn’t the right fit for United because he plays 3 at the back.

Man Utd is a joke.

Oasis007:
Lineup

Manchester United XI vs. Tottenham: De Gea, Wan-Bissaka, Lindelof, Varane, Maguire, Shaw, McTominay, Fred, Fernandes, Cavani, Ronaldo



Baba change Formation..... LMFAO!

McFred starts again. I don’t see any changes here.

Same journalist
Same newspaper article.

The way British journalists protect British players and rubbish foreign players need to be studied. It’s covert xenophobia.

One of the players here has won 30+ trophies including 5 ballon d’Or awards. The other player has 4 relegations under his belt but guess the one that British journos want dropped?

And when we point this shit out, ingenuous folks like Elampiro would rant that there’s no prejudice in English football. If Ronaldo was Harry Kane, would any British journalist suggest Kane should be dropped?

SMH!!!

AnfieldFan:
Pep has won all those things in clubs that were already winning all those things with unlimited financial supply yet the one thing he needs is still eluding him despite having spent more than the budget of some countries...
Klopp who has always had far lesser resources have martialed these limited resources to compete for titles and he has won them ...
Clubs that haven't tasted title succes in years have multiple titles because of him...
Currently in Liverpool, do you know the NetSpend of Klopp since coming to Liverpool compared to let's say Chelsea not to talk of City.... Klopp has overarchieved every where he's been...

Klopp has one league title in 6 years. If you want to talk about money, Ranieri spent literally nothing to get Leicester a PL title.

Liverpool fans always like trumping out the net spend argument when backed against the wall. Who gives a shit about net spend? Van Dijk became the most expensive defender when he was signed and Alisson was the most expensive goalie when Klopp went all out.

This idea that Klopp had scarce resources is a myth. The scarce resources also brought him time. In football, time and money are the same thing. If he had Chelsea’s unlimited resources, he would have been sacked after 9 months. He was given plenty of time time but even with the 6 years he’s had, Klopp has 1 PL title.

That’s the manager I was accused to be envying?

This gotta be an expensive joke.

Pep, Mourinho, Enrique, Zidane and Hansi Flick are all better than Jurgen Klopp.

AnfieldFan:
Absolute hogwash...And nobody agrees with you..
Has Pep won the Champions league and premier league in the same season since he came to England..How many FA Cup titles has he won....
I don't even comprehend what you mean by Liverpool players were trying to deceive... Deceive who and what, we're in the 21st century..TV's, internet and social media are a thing... Everyone knows when they won what they won so who were they people they were trying to deceive...

I don’t make comments for people to agree with me, I only speak the truth.

Pep won Sextuple in 2009
Pep won European double in 2011
Pep has won multiple basic doubles/trebles in Bayern and Man City.

Klopp is yet to win two competitions in a single season. Any basic manager can dump all his resources in one competition, deliberately get knocked out in the other competitions.

JK is getting there but he’s not amongst the elite by any means. He needs to do more. If I were to ask you to name managers that have done the TREBLE, Klopp’s name would be conspicuously absent from your list.

So tell me, how’s he elite?

CAPdan21:
This makes no sense and reeks of envy... Liverpool players trying to deceive who??...Klopp took both Dortmund and Liverpool to 3 CL finals on a fraction of the budget of his major rivals this he did without breaking the bank or having a crutch of pre-existing world class players like Zidane, Enrique and Co yet he is two tiers below those coaches no wonder he won Fifa best coach 2 years in a row...Klopp makes winners

kLoPP mAkEs wINnErS

CAPdan21:
Who compared Pep to Ole...Pep is obviously a very good coach and light years above Ole same with klopp... People trying to lessen klopp achievements because he spent 3 years to do it fail to recognize that if u don't have money to spend or have pre-existing top players you have to put in the hard yards...the only season klopp spent up to 100m he delivered the CL can't say that for either Pep or Zidane

How much did Mourinho spend at Porto to win the CL? You don’t need money or the number of years it took Klopp to win a trophy.

Klopp that usually sacrifices other cup competitions to thrive. Klopp has never won FA cup or the league cup in 6 years in the PL. Klopp usually focuses on one competition and commit all his resources into that competition.

Meanwhile, Mourinho, Pep, SAF, Enrique fired on all fronts to deliver the TREBLE. There are levels to this management ish. What Zidane did at Madrid is as good as winning the TREBLE too. Until Zidane, no team had successfully defended their CL title. He did it 3 times in a row.

Klopp is one or two tiers below these elite managers(for now). He could go on and do 5 CL titles in a row later in future but for now, Klopp is a tier 2 manager. I saw Liverpool players with the CL trophy and the PL trophy together with the intention of deceiving people that both trophies were won in a single season.

Klopp’s brain power cannot manage such feats.

AnfieldFan:
A team that could afford to get rid of the caliber of players you mentioned would perform wonders with a good coach which Pep is...

Mainz didn't just get promoted to the Bundlesliga, he did it with no money.. Can't you understand this..The club was broke...He did it because the players believed in him... Because he could afford to go toe to toe tactically with teams that had better budgets..
Since then, Pep hasn't won the Champions league..You know how much he has spent..

What did he do, went to teams that were coming off the backs of varying degrees of success and just gave them more of the same while spending more than their previous coaches .
Klopp.. Liverpool title in 30 years..
Champions league title since 2005..

Two back to back Bundlesliga titles with Dortmund who won their last Bundlesliga in 2001/02

By this metric, Roy Keane is a better manager than Klopp.

Roy Keane took Sunderland from 2nd bottom in the championship to winning the championship title in the same season. Surely, that’s a bigger feat than what Klopp achieved at Mainz.

Secondly, a team that could afford to get rid of such talents aren’t easy teams to manage. The greater the talents, the more expectations. Ole was doing fine with his mediocrity until he signed Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo.

Pep took one of the most difficult jobs in the world in 2008. It could have ended like Lampard for him but dude went on to win every trophy he competed for. Messi or no Messi, that’s a laudable achievement.