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melodyogonna:
Injured I think.
That guy and Pogba make me wonder if we were wrong to give Mourinho stick for wanting to get rid of them.
Anyway football is a sentimental game in the end, we knew Pogba and Martial were very talented, and we knew Mourinho isn't exactly top when you talk about human relations, an easy target to blame.
Na both of them I no wan make them still be Man Utd players by next season.

Why can’t Ole just watch at least 10 games of the French national team and see how Deschamps set up the midfield for Pogba to thrive? Is that too much to ask for?

I will never understand why Ole went for Van De Beek when Partey was available in the same window with more or less the same fee. Ndidi was also an option but Ole turned the other cheek by waxing lyrical about McFred.

Silentgroper:
Greenwood!

What is Greenwood doing under Ole that he wasn’t doing before he was promoted to the senior team? Greenwood should be on the same level as Haaland by now.

Greenwood has always been prolific. There’s even an argument that his development has stunted under Ole. Ole’s shitty tactics isn’t getting the best out of Greenwood.

This was Mason in the under-18…..
31 goals, 9 assists in 30 games.

melodyogonna:
The reason is because of how he improved the squad chief. Be like una get short term memory but the squad was bad before sha, so bad Mourinho said finishing second with us was his greatest achievement. Apart from clearing the deadwood we all clamored should be gotten rid of, he worked together with the management to establish some sense of a recruitment structure, both in the academy and the senior team. And should I also mention he is also a club legend that retired not too long ago (which means many people still remember him playing)? Of course, he's going to have fans, but whether he does or not is irrelevant so far the future of Man United is in question, he isn't good enough. I don't think we can win anything with him, he just isn't as tactically astute as those he is competing with. This isn't the Norwegian league, unfortunately.

Did Ole buy these players with his own money cos I don’t understand this improvement you people are talking about.

This was the same caliber of players that Jose asked for and he was told to coach the shitty players he had in his squad.

When they realized Jose was right about needing quality recruitment, they sacked him and hired a yes man and they gave the yes man what they should have given Mourinho.

As for the deadwood theory, the players Ole got rid of are better than the ones he kept. Did he really get rid of deadwood though? What are Mata, Grant, Matic, Phil Jones, etc still doing in the squad?

Lukaku - better than Martial/Rashford
Romero - better than Dean Henderson
Herrera - better than Matic/McFred
Young - better than Shaw/Brandon Williams
Fellaini - better than Lingard/Mata/Matic
Smalling - better than Maguire/Lindelof/Jones

So what deadwood are we talking about. Most of these players have moved on to win big titles where they ply their trades now whilst Ole’s special woods have lost 6 semifinals to average teams in the same period.

macjireh:
Manu always see good players from afar,,but immediately they meet olé,, they become bad....wat is d problem

Ole is the problem.

Even Maguire was so much better at Leicester although he should never have commanded the £80m fee.

Joezinho:
Roma should be scoring more when they attack but the problem is the defence. It has been all season. How many times have they conceded 3 goals this season? 2 goals should be enough to beat a team that finished 5th in Serie B last season.

They need to sign someone that can be a leader in that defence. Sign some proper experience, even if they're old...A season or two is all they need them for.

They could use someone like that in attack as well (like Zlatan is at Milan) but defence should be the priority.

Profligacy is Mourinho’s biggest problem at Roma.

maik99:
yet Trent ain't perfect.. the mark of a great manager is bringing the best out of his players as a team, their individual shortcomings notwithstanding
Chelsea's players were "useless" until Tuchel went there

I agree with you 100%.

Let’s even assume Wan Bissaka was so poor at crossing when he was bought. It’s the third season now, we ought to be seeing some level of improvement from him in the final third if Ole’s back room staff are really coaching him.

Wan Bissaka of 19/20 is the same as 21/22. No marked improvement in anything he does. What we bought is what we are still seeing. Robertson wasn’t this good at Hull, look at what he’s become under Klopp. I don’t think any player has improved remarkably under Ole. I don’t think any of them has added any new skill since they started playing for him.

It’s just a pile of shit!!!

You look at this Liverpool team and one could tell they are well coached.

Every player brings something positive to the team. Trent provides quality crosses and he can score directly from free kicks.

Wan Bissaka cannot cross, he’s semi-decent in 1-v-1 situations, lacks the spatial intelligence in the defence, contributes nothing during set pieces.

If Trent is a 9/10 player, Wan Bissaka is 2/10. It’s these subtle differences that make Liverpool a top team while United will never win anything under the current manager.

elampiro:
You and who discussed this? Where was it discussed? In this world or in your dream?

Hahahaha - I knew you would deny this.

This discourse started with your assertion that Jose never did well with young players(apart from Porto).

I pointed it to you that he did well with young players at Chelsea and I went on to show you proof that his 04/05 squad had the youngest age average in PL history.

You asked to see the number of minutes played by the young players to build a case for your argument and that is when it went left for you.

You cited 1600 mins as proof of lack of trust in young players and I cited Pogba’s stat in 19/20. You quickly saw the folly in that point and tried to reverse back by using “whatever happened to Pogba” as a crutch.

When you finally realized factors like injury, bereavement, lack of fitness can also contribute to the lack of minutes, your mouth started twitching. You then tried to inject agberoism into the argument by saying my epistle is a proof of a lost argument.

When will you learn your lesson? The more you resist, the more motivation for me to show how clueless you are. Don’t let your dented ego get in the way. Accept your defeat and move on. It would save you from this misery and humiliation.

By the way, is Torres better than Rooney?

elampiro:
I know you have lost an argument when you write an epistle or when you shift goalpost. Both are present in your above post. Bye bye

I lost an argument when your postulated theory once again defeated you?

Your initial stance was that Robben didn’t play many minutes because Jose didn’t trust him since he’s a young player.

Until it was revealed to you that Robben didn’t play many minutes because of injuries. When he played, he destroyed everything before him and he was included in the PFA team of the season.

How did a fringe player(your assertion) get into a PFA team if Jose didn’t like young players? Every time you postulate a fake theory, it gets destroyed easily.

We are still waiting for your answer if Torres is better than Rooney. It’s been 5 months since I asked you the question and your medulla oblongata has refused to come up with an answer.

Elampiro: Chopping Ls since 1964.

elampiro:
Apples and oranges

That season, Pogba was not a regular starter for United for whatever reason. But generally, he has been.

For what reason?

Is Pogba a starter for United or not? All of a sudden, your theory has bottomed out. Any time you postulate a theory, it always came back to bite you in the asš.

Remember the day you said Rooney finished top 5 ballon d’Or so it means he’s better than XYZ player? I then asked you if you thought Torres(Top 3) was better than Rooney? You disappeared and never came back.

Robben(for instance) was a starter for Chelsea but injuries didn’t let him play as many minutes as Jose would have wanted in 04/05. He was their top performer that season. His 1200 PL minutes that season still got him into the PFA team of the season in 04/05.

Once again, your postulated theory has defeated you.

elampiro:
1,600 minutes of playing time is a regular? And these are even you best two from the list.

You no know ball?

Pogba had fewer minutes(1200 mins) in 19/20 season. So that means Pogba wasn’t a starter for United?

elampiro:
Only John Terry and Peter Czech were starters.

Once again, the facts have defeated you.

BikeMan:
So less than 5 goals is your prerequisite for a good defence? I see why you people are where you are

You are making your argument.

I simply said playing 3 at the back would protect Ole and prevent scandalous losses like 0-5 at Old Trafford.

If you took my sentence to mean United would never lose any game if they play 3 at the back, blame your comprehension.

Norwich just sacked their manager.

He’s in a better form than Ole.

When will this nightmare end?

elampiro:
Show us the age of the starting XI players

Checkmate!!!

elampiro:
Illimitable
What I said is simple. Mourinho does not do well with a young team (bar Porto). I did not say he doesn't promote young players.

Mourinho does well with an experienced side. Individual players who can hold their own and make few mistakes while parking bus or protecting a lead

His 04/05 Chelsea team were the youngest average PL winners and they broke points record in 2005.

So tell us another lie.

nitrogen:
Man Utd fans are not smart at all. Idiots singing and clapping for Ole.

They are not the real fans. 90% of those singing fans are tourists. They are just happy to be in the stadium with their new shiny iPhones to record and take pictures.

The real fans have been priced out. The real fans watch the games at the nearby pubs. This is the problem with modern football especially for the big PL clubs. The standards keep dropping.

Ole(having spent £160m on defenders) has conceded more goals at Old Trafford than Norwich have conceded at Carrow road and you have people clapping for him with such a horrendous performance.

Somebody wake me I am dreaming.

BikeMan:
Conceded against Atalanta, did the same against City. What’s protective about your pathetic defence?

They didn’t concede 5 in any of those games.

melodyogonna:
Sack this man!!

Sack him for what?

This was what you people wanted.

BikeMan:
Illimitable your darling manager has played with 3 CBs again o, no excuse since it'd the magic formation for winning games.

That’s not what I said.

I said 3 at the back is a defensive formation and it would protect the defence more than the normal 4 at the back.

Even Chelsea have lost games to small teams with 3 at the back so when did I say 3 at the back is impenetrable.

City with all their might could only score 2 goals. It would have been 5 or 6 goals conceded if Ole had played his normal 4 at the back.

elampiro:
When Mourinho won the UCL at Inter, what were the ages of the players? What were the ages of Chelsea regular players? Go and check and you see old men like Makalele, Essien, Ballack, Lampard, Maicon, Eto, etc

Apparently, if the rules permitted, Greenwood would have had his debut under Mourinho which goes against your old and tired narrative that Jose doesn’t like young players.

Once again, the facts reeled out by Nicky Butt here do not care about your feelings or the myths perpetrated out there by idiotic journalists that Jose Mourinho hates young players.

raumdeuter:
Under Mourinho

Kane 21 + 13 assists is less than 29+7

Kane scored 31 goals, 16 assists under Mourinho in all competitions which totals at 47 goal contributions in an incomplete season(Jose got fired a month before the season ended).

Kane’s productivity in 20/21 is more than his productivity in 16/17(42) and 17/18(46) under Poch. Therefore, Kane’s most productive season in his entire career was under Jose Mourinho(the talent destroyer).

Facts don’t care about your feelings.

raumdeuter:
Was Kane scoring for Mourinho after Mourinho got fired?

That’s irrelevant!

Had Mourinho completed the season, Kane would have scored half a dozen goals more. He was highly energized that season and he had doubled the number of his highest assists under Mourinho.

Mourinho turned him into a complete forward, he was creating and scoring goals at the same time. He was completely unplayable. He was deadly in front of defenders and problematic to defenders when he played on the shoulder of the last defender.

Kane under Poch never showed such amazing ability.

raumdeuter:
Under Mourinho

Kane 21 + 13 assists is less than 29+7

SMH!!!

Panther7:
Baba dey evade that question like plague

This is Raumdeuter’s current situation.

raumdeuter:
Kane scored more goals under Poch than under Mourinho. Its basically Kane doing what he has always done which is score goals

Kane was more productive under Mourinho than in any season under Poch.

Under Poch
29 goals, 7 assists(16/17)
30 goals, 3 assists(17/18)

Under Mourinho
23 goals, 14 assists(20/21)

23 + 14 is more productive than (29 + 7) or (30 + 3).

So I am asking you again, how did the most destructive coach on the planet manage to get Kane his most productive season ever?

We need answers.

Raumdeuter wrote that?

Was he drunk?

Panther7:
Raumdeuter, don't evade the questions. How come Kane topped the goals and assist chart under Mourinho? Any explanation for that?

Making assists is negative.

Ask him how Ozil had his most productive seasons under Mourinho.

Mourinho is so destructive that Ozil produced 80 assists under him in 3 seasons.

raumdeuter:
Kane was not topping assist chart because he was scoring
Mourinho did not make him score 29 or 30 goals

If he didn’t score under Mourinho, how did he win the golden boot?

raumdeuter:
Kane has topped the league goals chart scored 30 goals, 29 goals, topped world cup goals before meeting Mourinho

Nobody is discussing goalscoring alone with you.

We are emphasizing on assists or you want to argue assists aren’t a creative stat, it’s a destructive stat?

How come Kane never topped assists charts under Pochettino or under Southgate?

BikeMan:
You too dey lie. Kane’s most productive year was under Mourinho. Even topped charts for both goals and assists.

Raumdeuter in the mud.

raumdeuter:
Kane has always topped scorers charts for multiple seasons before even knowing Mourinho. Poch groomed Kane to the striker he is now

Kane was even top scorer at the world cup before Mourinho joined

Goals and assists charts in a single season.

Surely, a destructive manager shouldn’t be adding assists metric to the profile of a striker. How did Kane end up being more productive under Jose than any other manager he’s played for?