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Roy Keane is destroying Maguire and Shaw.

This is elite punditry.

CrystalTiger:
This Chelsea is the team to beat..Tuchel would probably win the EPL and UCL in just 18months ..

They said he’s a useless manager for losing 2-5 to West Brom last season.

Ole lost 1-6 but he is a brilliant manager.

eph12:
I just love the way Lamptey carries the ball. Pawa and pace

We should swap AWB with Lamptey.

He reminds me of Rafael, he’s so brave in attack.

Oasis007:
Board ain't ready. Na we Fans den dey torture.

Fans who expect or hope for good results.

Nothing Ole does can shock me again. He’s a hopeless manager even if he wins the next 10 games.

Oasis007:
I swear, with 3 at the back, DVB should have played instead of McTom.

I don’t think we will ever get the chance to watch VDB in the midfield again.

So Ole can play 3 at the back but Conte isn’t the right fit for United because he plays 3 at the back.

Man Utd is a joke.

Oasis007:
Lineup

Manchester United XI vs. Tottenham: De Gea, Wan-Bissaka, Lindelof, Varane, Maguire, Shaw, McTominay, Fred, Fernandes, Cavani, Ronaldo



Baba change Formation..... LMFAO!

McFred starts again. I don’t see any changes here.

Same journalist
Same newspaper article.

The way British journalists protect British players and rubbish foreign players need to be studied. It’s covert xenophobia.

One of the players here has won 30+ trophies including 5 ballon d’Or awards. The other player has 4 relegations under his belt but guess the one that British journos want dropped?

And when we point this shit out, ingenuous folks like Elampiro would rant that there’s no prejudice in English football. If Ronaldo was Harry Kane, would any British journalist suggest Kane should be dropped?

SMH!!!

AnfieldFan:
Pep has won all those things in clubs that were already winning all those things with unlimited financial supply yet the one thing he needs is still eluding him despite having spent more than the budget of some countries...
Klopp who has always had far lesser resources have martialed these limited resources to compete for titles and he has won them ...
Clubs that haven't tasted title succes in years have multiple titles because of him...
Currently in Liverpool, do you know the NetSpend of Klopp since coming to Liverpool compared to let's say Chelsea not to talk of City.... Klopp has overarchieved every where he's been...

Klopp has one league title in 6 years. If you want to talk about money, Ranieri spent literally nothing to get Leicester a PL title.

Liverpool fans always like trumping out the net spend argument when backed against the wall. Who gives a shit about net spend? Van Dijk became the most expensive defender when he was signed and Alisson was the most expensive goalie when Klopp went all out.

This idea that Klopp had scarce resources is a myth. The scarce resources also brought him time. In football, time and money are the same thing. If he had Chelsea’s unlimited resources, he would have been sacked after 9 months. He was given plenty of time time but even with the 6 years he’s had, Klopp has 1 PL title.

That’s the manager I was accused to be envying?

This gotta be an expensive joke.

Pep, Mourinho, Enrique, Zidane and Hansi Flick are all better than Jurgen Klopp.

AnfieldFan:
Absolute hogwash...And nobody agrees with you..
Has Pep won the Champions league and premier league in the same season since he came to England..How many FA Cup titles has he won....
I don't even comprehend what you mean by Liverpool players were trying to deceive... Deceive who and what, we're in the 21st century..TV's, internet and social media are a thing... Everyone knows when they won what they won so who were they people they were trying to deceive...

I don’t make comments for people to agree with me, I only speak the truth.

Pep won Sextuple in 2009
Pep won European double in 2011
Pep has won multiple basic doubles/trebles in Bayern and Man City.

Klopp is yet to win two competitions in a single season. Any basic manager can dump all his resources in one competition, deliberately get knocked out in the other competitions.

JK is getting there but he’s not amongst the elite by any means. He needs to do more. If I were to ask you to name managers that have done the TREBLE, Klopp’s name would be conspicuously absent from your list.

So tell me, how’s he elite?

CAPdan21:
This makes no sense and reeks of envy... Liverpool players trying to deceive who??...Klopp took both Dortmund and Liverpool to 3 CL finals on a fraction of the budget of his major rivals this he did without breaking the bank or having a crutch of pre-existing world class players like Zidane, Enrique and Co yet he is two tiers below those coaches no wonder he won Fifa best coach 2 years in a row...Klopp makes winners

kLoPP mAkEs wINnErS

CAPdan21:
Who compared Pep to Ole...Pep is obviously a very good coach and light years above Ole same with klopp... People trying to lessen klopp achievements because he spent 3 years to do it fail to recognize that if u don't have money to spend or have pre-existing top players you have to put in the hard yards...the only season klopp spent up to 100m he delivered the CL can't say that for either Pep or Zidane

How much did Mourinho spend at Porto to win the CL? You don’t need money or the number of years it took Klopp to win a trophy.

Klopp that usually sacrifices other cup competitions to thrive. Klopp has never won FA cup or the league cup in 6 years in the PL. Klopp usually focuses on one competition and commit all his resources into that competition.

Meanwhile, Mourinho, Pep, SAF, Enrique fired on all fronts to deliver the TREBLE. There are levels to this management ish. What Zidane did at Madrid is as good as winning the TREBLE too. Until Zidane, no team had successfully defended their CL title. He did it 3 times in a row.

Klopp is one or two tiers below these elite managers(for now). He could go on and do 5 CL titles in a row later in future but for now, Klopp is a tier 2 manager. I saw Liverpool players with the CL trophy and the PL trophy together with the intention of deceiving people that both trophies were won in a single season.

Klopp’s brain power cannot manage such feats.

AnfieldFan:
A team that could afford to get rid of the caliber of players you mentioned would perform wonders with a good coach which Pep is...

Mainz didn't just get promoted to the Bundlesliga, he did it with no money.. Can't you understand this..The club was broke...He did it because the players believed in him... Because he could afford to go toe to toe tactically with teams that had better budgets..
Since then, Pep hasn't won the Champions league..You know how much he has spent..

What did he do, went to teams that were coming off the backs of varying degrees of success and just gave them more of the same while spending more than their previous coaches .
Klopp.. Liverpool title in 30 years..
Champions league title since 2005..

Two back to back Bundlesliga titles with Dortmund who won their last Bundlesliga in 2001/02

By this metric, Roy Keane is a better manager than Klopp.

Roy Keane took Sunderland from 2nd bottom in the championship to winning the championship title in the same season. Surely, that’s a bigger feat than what Klopp achieved at Mainz.

Secondly, a team that could afford to get rid of such talents aren’t easy teams to manage. The greater the talents, the more expectations. Ole was doing fine with his mediocrity until he signed Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo.

Pep took one of the most difficult jobs in the world in 2008. It could have ended like Lampard for him but dude went on to win every trophy he competed for. Messi or no Messi, that’s a laudable achievement.

AnfieldFan:
Klopp gave Mainz there first Bundlesliga appearance with no money...

Call me when Guardiola wins the champ league without Messi..

Why are you comparing promotion from the 2nd division to winning the CL?

Look at some of the decisions Pep had to make while delivering the sextuple? He got rid of Ronaldinho, Deco, Zambrotta, etc.

These are huge decisions Klopp wouldn’t have made in Pep’s shoes. Yes, he had Messi but plenty of other managers have had Messi without delivering.

The fact that you are actually comparing a mere promotion to winning the CL already tells me you don’t even believe the two of them are at the same level.

Pep is light years ahead of Klopp, so is Zidane.

AnfieldFan:
ND give them the Champions league..
Something Pep won't attempt in his life time

Pep won the Sextuple as a rookie!

He’s a better manager than Klopp.

raumdeuter:
He will go to Ac Milan Valencia or Napoli next

or Nottingham Forest.

AnfieldFan:
Chelsea had a better team...He would have delivered immediately...

No chance!!!

Klopp’s gengenpressing needs time. There was no way Klopp would have incorporated Hazard, Matic and Fabregas to be running like headless chickens to press for the ball.

The project would have taken him at least 2-3 years and Roman would have issued his P45 after a year. Klopp played it smart by choosing a club that hadn’t won a league title in 25 years.

AnfieldFan:
The popular opinion every where is that the top two managers in world football currently are Klopp and Pep....

Zidane doesn't factor in... Sorry...

Klopp is a better manager than Zidane? On which planet?

These Liverpool fans have the most horrendous takes in football discourse.

The other day, one of them also said the current Salah is better than peak Ronaldo.

Klopp has benefited from joining a club that had no standards or who weren’t expecting much when he joined them.

Had Klopp joined Chelsea instead of Liverpool in 2015, he would have been sacked in 2016 or 2017 and forced to join Stuttgart or some soulless football club in Germany.

kokanepyramid:
How much is your respect for him worth. Can it pay bills.?

It’s worth more than the condoms needed to prevent your conception.

Cantankerous cünt!

AnfieldFan:
First, Busquets didn't win the man of the match...Benzema did and from your stats,he was better...Incase you didn't know, despite rarely getting the ball played to him because of the Spanish press in midfield,Benzema created more chances than Pogba..He created 4...
On to Busquets, he won the player of the tournament and rightfully so as he was Spain's most outstanding player..
If not for a certain Tchouameni in that midfield, France would have been toast...

This ratings you showed is an opinionated one. This is why it all appears as whole numbers. Journalists watch the game and give opinions based on prejudices, covert racism, etc. I don’t pay attention to such.

The ratings I gave you are backed by stats. It’s not a journalist’s opinion. They are ratings based wholly on statistics devoid of prejudices or color of skin. Opinions aren’t facts, statistics are facts.

AnfieldFan:
I have no business with which midfielder in France posted better Stats,Tchouameni had the most interceptions and ball recovery of the france midfield ..He helped regain Possession many times for them...
But that's not the point, the point is Pogba came out second best in a match that had Busquets in it...

He didn't win man of the match neither did he win player of the tournament despite his team lifting the trophy...But you would rather have us believe it's because of bias sentiments from UEFA instead of the hard work of other players...
What sort of mental gymnastics is this?

Pogba was better than Busquets in that final.

Busquets won MOTM based on sentiments and perhaps the covert racism that plagues European football at the top level. This isn’t to say Busquets was a slouch, he used the ball extremely well but I just think Pogba showed more attributes of a complete midfielder than the octopus of Badia.

Pogba had more dribbles, won more ground duels, made more clearances, blocked more shots. Two different sports sites who use OPTA stats to track individual metrics actually had Pogba as the highest rated midfielder or the best player on the pitch in that final.

adebayo201:
On the other hand, irrespective of the outcome on Saturday, this board should just respect themselves and relief this guy of him duty. He Don get blood for him hand already. Let Olè just go and enjoy his family.

Why can’t Ole just respectfully resign and admit this project is too big for him.

My respect for him would be through the roof. Ole the player’s legendary status for Man Utd is few tiers below that of Gattuso of AC Milan.

Gattuso did a self check and resigned. He even asked the club not to pay him any compensation. That’s a true legend. A man who puts the interest of the club before himself.

Ole is just happy to be collecting salary(£7m per year).

He’s a criminal.

Off and on the pitch, Gattuso is a better individual than OLE.

This Pavard is a fool.

One v One with goalkeeper and he played a back pass. He just ruined that Bayern counter with an awful shot.

Mrviktor:
Who said we don't train

Is that Phil Jones?

Why do I think Jones is a better CB than Maguire and should start against Spurs?

raumdeuter:
Its like me facing Tyson Fury without fear tactics, EVen Klopp and Pep know when to play conservative. Liverpool vs City first half, Klopp sef respected himself when City were pressing him and about to go haywire until he was able to rally his troops in the at half time

Lewandoski breaking Gerd Mullers record is not beans

That is if the report is true. WOnder have happened in the past and we cant rule it out again

Klopp that parked the bus in the CL final against Pochettino. After scoring that first goal, Klopp changed his tactics.

Smart managers know when to pick their fights or when to shore up their defence. Klopp knew better than to risk it all and lose another European final.

AnfieldFan:
Yea...But you people shouldn't sack him ooo..He's building something special which requires specific Man United DNA..

OLEIN
OLE4EVER
WELOVEOLE


Where my fellow Ole supporters at..
Fall out...

I heard City fans singing Ole at the wheels in tonight’s game.

Leeds fans sang it last night, Liverpool fans sang it on Sunday.

The level of embarrassment has peaked. Rival fans wanting Ole to stay desperately is a sign that he’s the most useless manager in the history of the club.

raumdeuter:
I even thought he will play 4-4-2 defensive. Same lineup, drop Greenwood for Pogba clutter the middle and play a low block

But because he lacked the nous and confidence. He opened up and Liverpool cut through him like hot knife in butter

He has to pretend he’s a modern manager. The likes of Elampiro loves such approach. Elampiro said he likes that Ole plays against anyone without fear.

Without fear tactics = 5 goals conceded at home.

In another news, I heard Lewandowski is the ballon d’Or winner for 2021. He should have won it last season as well. COVID-19 and rubbish politics robbed him off what he highly deserved.

raumdeuter:
Where was Maguire in all these moment, I think he just runs around as the spirit lead forcing other players to come cover for him and exposing the other side

I wont blame Maguire too because he even looked better under Rodgers at Leicester even under Southgate but once everyone gets to Ole, it scatters

Ole is an idiöt!

Even a mosquito knows about Klopp’s gengenpressing tactics. Yet, Ole still asked his defenders that are useless in possession to build from the back.

I remember the Liverpool game at OT under Mourinho. He specifically warned his defenders not to dawdle on the ball anywhere 30 yards from De Gea. All the goal kicks were long kicks to Lukaku.

No serious team wants to invite pressure on themselves against Liverpool. Even elite managers like Pep have since confessed that Liverpool are the best team at pressing he’s ever faced in his career.

United couldn’t even successfully pass their way around Iheanacho and Vardy - and that lunatic Ole stuck to the same tactics just to prove he’s a progressive modern manager. Tottenham should just end his misery this weekend.

I have had enough of Ole’s incompetence.

elampiro:
https://www.facebook.com/DailyMailSport/videos/280586017279364/

Illimitable come and see your man

Elite manager.

He puts his blood and soul in his job. Your darling manager(Ole) could borrow a leaf from Mourinho’s application.

Mourinho never lost to Klopp at Old Trafford. Your ultra-attacking, progressive modern manager shipped 5 goals in one game.

AnfieldFan:
While I agree with most of what you wrote, I'm pointing out what caused our first goal and the pattern of some of the goals you've conceded this season... Inability to press as a team... Pressing simply means making your opponents put the ball in places you can recover easier due to mistakes for easier transitions...
We can do this very well and more importantly, we can do it as a team which dates back to Klopp's first game in charge where Lallana collapsed into Klopp's arms after the match, he had never been part of or undertaken something so energy demanding...
My point is, while Shaw is average or even below average, It stems from fundamental flaws in your teams set up which stops at Ole's table..
Rodgers referenced this in his post match...

We are not necessarily talking at cross purposes here, we are just highlighting different flaws. Ole is definitely a culprit. I never saw this total defence collapse under Mourinho or LVG.

Just look at these images…..

Mrviktor:
Una self ehhh..

Who in our current midfield is better dan pogba.

Name 1.

Name 2 self.. Join dem together dem no reach one pogba.

.

Is is Fred.
Is it Mac.
Is it VDB

Make we hear word jare.
In talent
In achievement.
In skill.
In class.

He is milles ahead of dem.

Make d pogba hate end biko

Pogba is our best midfielder. He can do everything. Ole’s cluelessness cannot be a yardstick to assess Pogba. Just watch Pogba in France and you don’t need an oracle to tell you he’s a world class player.

Many people have said Pogba shines for France because of Kante but that theory has been put to bed twice now in 2 finals as Pogba still shone like a billion stars without the diminutive Kante.

Pogba is better than Henderson, Keita, Thiago or any other central midfielder at Liverpool. Ole’s incompetence to build a functional midfield should not in anyway tarnish Pogba’s awesomeness. Under a good manager, Pogba is a nuclear weapon - the sort of player no team wants to play against.

Get Ole out.

Mrviktor:
TBH.
TELLES NO SABI DEFEND. A

HE'S LIKE DALOT.
But also that shaw wing has produced 70% of all d goals we conceded

I would still take Telles over Shaw.

Have you been noticing the amount of times Shaw and Maguire collides with each other on the pitch while trying to defend?

Instead of Shaw to mark opponents, he is always marking Maguire. I don’t know if it’s Ole’s instruction or the stupidity of the English defenders in our squad, you should notice they always try to hold each other’s hands when defending.

AWB would tuck in, makes body contact with Lindelof and leaves acres of space in the right channel. Remember the match against Brighton last season - Brighton’s winger should have scored a hat trick in that game with the amount of chances we conceded from crosses. AWB did it again against Leipzig away and they knocked us out of UCL(Angelino scored a screamer).

Shaw does the same with Maguire. They have no positional sense, no positional discipline, poor in possession(they treat the ball like it’s coronavirus). Apply little pressure and they lose possession faster than a $1 whöre. The entire starting defence unit should be stripped barebone. You cannot tell me Dalot-Bailly-Varane-Telles would play worse than what we have seen in the past 5 weeks.

AnfieldFan:
Want to point out something...The first goal happened because Greenwood couldn't effectively press Robertson..Bissaka moved up to cover Jota incase he got the ball... Mctominay moved inwards towards the right of the pitch to cover the space(This leaves a space in the middle which Salah drifts into..Shaw is confused, he's seeing massive spaces, because Lindelof has drifted to cover the massive space left by Bissaka...Maguire moves inwards to the right to cover for Lindelof ..Shaw doesn't know if he should tuck inside to play Salah offside or cover for his CB's...By the time Jota releases the ball, almost all your players are in a press that has no structure and was doomed to fail from the start because it's individual instead of being team press..
My point is, blaming Shaw alone for something that was clearly a team effort is a bit unfair... Even if Shaw was Virgil playing against us, we would still be through on goal in that exact situation...
Here's what your team looked like in the press before Salah, Firmino and Keita made their runs..

Come off it…..

Shaw’s criticism wasn’t only because of his pathetic performance against Liverpool. He has been shit all season. Most of the errors leading to a goal are from his area.

His combination with Maguire has to be the worst in the entire division. The two of them are like deer in the headlights when in possession. Go and watch the highlights against Leicester and tell me why a player so pathetic is even starting for Man Utd.

Telles had a decent game against Villareal - he even got a goal. What did Ole do next? Bench him for an unfit Shaw. Shaw pooped his pants at Leicester(made excuses that he was unfit) and still got rewarded with a start against Liverpool.

raumdeuter:
If he is able to do this for France, He was able to do this for Juventus, why isnt he able to do for Man Utd?

This is because he has been playing under useless coaches from Mourinho (as evidenced by his career trajectory post Man Utd) and Ole as evidenced by his career pre Man Utd

Pogba playd well under Conte, Under Allegri under Deschamps

The problem is the coaching at Man Utd because Pogba while at Man Utd was still delivering top performances for his country either in 2018 or 2021

How many of your players are doing well consistently? Name 5. Just last week there are articles flooding the internet about how Ronaldo is the problem, A whole Ronaldo, One of the great ever seen is now a problem because of Ole

If Pogba had formed running stomach and not come on at 4-0 who would you have blamed for losing 4-0? The Pogba on the bench or who? Ronaldo? Bruno or who? But the moment Pogba managed to jog into the field, he became the scapegoat for everything that happened before and after he came on the field

Pogba played well under Mourinho until their falling out.

This is the Europa squad of the season in 2017(Pogba’s debut season under JM).

Every player Mourinho signed for Man Utd during the summer of 2016 made this squad.

Bailly
Mkhitaryan
Pogba
Zlatan.