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elampiro:
League is a marathon, you lose concentration as a team in some games of briefly in the race. City lost concentration and we managed to overtake them. It didn't mean we had to win 12 matches out of 12.

If we have VDS, we would have been champions since April.

So De Gea was the reason the team lost concentration? United lost the league via goals difference in 11/12. It’a so ridiculous to blame it on De Gea when it wasn’t De Gea that was responsible for the 4-4 draw at Everton or the 0-1 loss at relegation bound Wigan.

If we had VDS yen yen yen, how come United didn’t win it in 2009/10 when VDS was the goalkeeper? United had an unassailable league until VDS acted like a bïtch against Chelsea and cost United 3 points.

KingAlabi:
So we have never started a game on the front foot?

You had already spelled doom from the first half, I remained calm because I saw that what was just our problem was to get the shot on target, I knew we would win if we can get shots on target more, we did and we won.

What ifs doesn't determine games, again we have been 2 down and we still won !!

Tell me does Liverpool or mancity always start the game on the front foot.

If there is something OGS has given me is the believe that even if we concede first we can win a game, I can't say the same under mou or gaal honestly.

This is the nonsense people keep telling themselves to change a narrative. There were plenty of crucial comebacks under Mourinho. I could name 20 from the top of my head.

2-1 vs Chelsea(Willian, Lukaku, Lingard)
2-1 vs Spurs FA cup semis(Alli, Sanchez, Herrera)
3-2 vs Man City(Kompany, Gundogan, PogbaX2, Smalling).
2-1 vs Juventus(Ronaldo, Mata, Sandro OG)

I won’t even mention the ones against Middlesboro, Newcastle twice, Bournemouth and the other mid-table clubs.

elampiro:
The incidence above happened in the run in, which is not unusual. DDG had made many mistakes from the beginning of the season up to around new year which put United under pressure

That’s not true.

United were 6 points above after City lost to Arsenal in GW32. De Gea wasn’t the reason United lost to Wigan, Man City & then drew to Everton at Old Trafford.

handelex:
West Ham want to sign Jesse Lingard on a permanent deal, but are concerned with regards to the price tag #mufc will set. United are expected to ask for as much as £30m #mulive

They can have Jesse for £50m plus Declan Rice.

elampiro:
DDG actually cost us the league in 2011. Cost us to exit the league cup in 2014 under Moyes when he let a ball slip under him in about the last kick of the game. His error rates increased recently even with Spain. But still a great goalkeeper, just that we need to find another keeper who is more suitable in the EPL where balls are flying across the six yard box

How did DDG cost us the league in 11/12? Why do you people like changing the narrative to suit an agenda?

United lost the league in 11/12 for many many factors unrelated to DDG.

- Fergie deciding to punish Rooney for breaking a curfew on New Year’s day. We faced Blackburn that day and they beat us 3-2 at Old Trafford(3 points dropped)

- Conceding 2 late goals against Everton after leading 4-2 at Old Trafford. The score was 4-2 until the 82nd minute and the defence capitulated because everyone suddenly forgot to run the time down(2 points dropped)

- Having a stinker against the relegated bound Wigan. United needed to win this game to put a distance between themselves and Man City. Fergie decided to rest Scholes(the only midfielder with common sense) and Rooney and co. fluffed their lines.

If United had taken any of the chances listed above, the league would have been theirs. The Blackburn one was the most painful. Fergie could have fined Rooney instead of preventing him from playing against Blackburn.

Expert17:
Nice assist from Adama Traore

My guy don run edit post

Some people have no shame.

Joezinho:
Olesexuals like alabimumu and handedunce will tell us that Ole Gollum sent Lingard to West Ham to deny Chelsea and Liverpool Champions League football next season.

Sad reminder to the ole inners that Ole chose to keep Dan James at the club over Lingard because, unlike the former, the latter wasn't recommended by some sister-in-law shagging preeq..

Brilliant!

Joezinho:
So Riola want 30 mil a year salary for Haaland, plus 20 mil for him and 20 mil for Haalands dad.
Plus 150 mil transfer fee.Riola gets 20% of that
Omo!!!

Please football, just for once, tell them all to piss off and pretend none of them exist.

We wouldn’t be in this predicament had Ole convinced him enough to join United last year.

What sort of a manager can’t convince his former player to join him in a new club?

Almajirihunter:
Bros I no give you weapon for agenda o
But look at his contribution to the second goal, not a bad player at all

This is no agenda - the fact speaks for itself.

Lingard was doing this under Mourinho - he even got a world cup invitation as a result of his performance in 17/18 & then Ole arrived......

Almajirihunter:
Omo see Lingard

Olesexuals would disagree with you. Lingard is scoring worldies in every other game for the Hammers while we are saddled with liabilities like James & Martial.

Solskjaer is a lunatic.

Expert17:
Stop spreading false information.

In the last press conference, OLE told us he has two no 1s at the club.

The same OLE gave DDG 6 weeks leave, OLE wants him to leave don't push this on media.

The media play a part in these things. They control the narrative. When Romero was #2 and De Gea was making his silly mistakes, there was no push by the media to make Romero #1. You know why? Because they have no interest in Romero, he’s not British.

As soon as you have a British player as #2, the media cannot wait to start an agenda on how to push the #1 out. We have seen this time and time again. You need to see the vitriol coming from the media when Chelsea sacked Lampard for Tuchel.

British media will always back British talents. Nothing is Maguire’s fault. All we keep hearing is how he needs to be playing alongside another defender but if you think back - he was supposedly the £80m solution needed to solve the defensive crisis when he was bought.

They move the goalposts every time - they have no shame. This is why they don’t do well in international competitions. The urge to push bottom tier players to the forefront just because they are British or English is one reason they will never win any international trophy in decades to come.

handelex:
For the first time since Fergie, we'll finish consecutively in the top 4. We need CL every season, it's progress.

That has nothing to do with Ole, BTW. It’s the incremental addition of quality here and there & the partial collapse of many of our rivals that is giving Ole a bit of leeway.

The squad we have today should be doing better than when we had Jones/Smalling in the defence. Moyes, LVG, etc would have also achieved top 4 consecutively with this squad. Let’s stop giving undue credits to a PE teacher.

handelex:
Lol Arithmetic progression in football We should include mental and verbal reasoning too.
Community Shield is now a bragging right? Lol
Hopefully we go all the way and win the EL this season.
Where did all those rebuilding take us to?

Did United fans not celebrate this victory? Did United fans not travel to Wembley to watch this game? Why shouldn’t it be a bragging right especially when it was the champions of England we beat?

We can’t even participate in such events these days. One must win FA cup or PL to play for the community shield. How are we faring in that aspect? Ole’s best shot at it was losing woefully like a bïtch to Leicester and Wolves.

handelex:
I appreciate the cup wins though but they don't tell the whole story. To me it should come as an icing on the cake, not after a cup win, the said team goes into shit immediately. A team should have a solid base where it can compete strongly on all fronts every season, not those flash in a pan type of fluke cup wins.

Ole cannot deliver the PL, he cannot deliver any cup competitions. What exactly is he doing? Even the solid base you are asking from him looks beyond him. Liverpool will not remain the dark forever, City and Chelsea will strengthen. Leicester and West Ham aren’t far behind. Where does that leave Ole?

handelex:
And I'm not dropping any standard to accommodate anybody, Manchester United already dropped their standard.

I agree - United dropped their standard. However, as low as we have sunk, we can still do better than Ole. No club in the top 6 will hire Ole as their manager. Why should United renew his contract?

handelex:
Lol...

The point is are we still that BIG club that should be flogging the likes of PSG home and away when the reality is we getting fûcked by the likes of Sevilla and co?

There should be progress. Ole is pulling this team back.

I am sure you understand arithmetic progression. When Fergie left, we appointed the following managers.

Moyes - Community shield
Van Gaal - FA cup
Mourinho - Community Shield, Europa Cup, League Cup.

PE teacher - ..........................(After almost 3 years)

Arithmetic Progression dictates we should have won at least 3 different cups since the PE teacher was appointed. Even if we haven’t won the league, we should have repeated any of the trophies won by the last 3 managers.

However, we went from winning one or two trophies per season while rebuilding to winning nothing at all. That’s the major gripe with me. There’s no reason this Man Utd team shouldn’t be in the FA cup semis when Southampton FC are there.

Stop dropping your standards to accommodate this fraud.

olabode89:
Chief, you keep showing your lack of knowledge about what Ole achieved with Molde. Ole broke the strangle hold of Rosenberg to win the Norwegian league and the ground work he did when he was in charge is why Molde are a mainstay in Europe for the past 5 years. I hope you know that it is extremely difficult to break the monopoly of big teams in leagues such as the Norwegian league.

Monopoly in a league ranked 22nd in Europe.

You guys just eat whatever vomitus served to you on a plate. How many teams even make up that league you people are hyping?

Ole went back after destroying Cardiff - how did he fare in Norway between 2015 & when Ed Woodward appointed him as a caretaker?

Any takers?

chidexxy007:
So beating Arsenal now is a measure of success or how good the coach is?

It isn’t - losing to Basaksehir is.

olabode89:
I hope you remember when Fergie crashed out of a group involving Otelu Galati, Benfica, and Basel




Otelu **fuvking Galati :-

Fergie has enough credits in the bank for me to allow such an abysmal campaign.

What credits has Ole got to be crashing United at the group stage. Even Moyes that we all hated reached the Qfinal in his first try.

chidexxy007:
So what happened vs Arsenal?

He went out of season for that game abi

Arsenal got a dubious penalty, Jose already beat them at home anyways.

Has Ole beaten Arsenal in the league since he started managing United? Never!!!

The fraud!

handelex:
Only to crash out against Sevilla next season in the round of 16 lol.

Is that the big club Manchester United we are still talking about?

What did the same Sevilla do to Ole last season?

KingAlabi:
Oh!!! From everything he touches to leagues that matters.
Na me fvck up.

Whenever I am discussing European football, I limit it to the leagues in England, Spain, Germany, Italy, France, Portugal and Netherlands.

I don’t give a shit about what happens in a league ranked 22nd in Europe. Ole failed at Cardiff. Anyone that passed common entrance in Nigeria can manage a club in Norway.

handelex:
Lol

This is what some of us keep trying to tell you guys, a Club of our stature lmao, when did we qualify for CL b2b since Fergie retired, reached CL semis or finished in the top 4 consecutively?

Reality some times is disappointing. It does not mean we should remain in this level but the reality is that we're not currently a top European team as we were under Fergie.

Mourinho qualified for the CL 16/17 & 17/18 consecutively and he didn’t stop there, he made sure we qualified out of the group in those campaigns as well - that’s the minimum standard regardless of how far we have fallen.

There’s no need to alter the facts to hype a failure like Ole.

KingAlabi:
I wonder why UEFA still allows those clubs play champs and Europa.

Again, how does everything he touches fails, did molde fail when he touched them?

He’s a failure in the leagues that matter.

He failed at Cardiff
He’s currently failing at Man Utd.

Almost 3 years, no final in cup competitions.

olabode89:
True!

For all of Fred's shortcomings man has got an excellent engine and his ability to cover ground and hassle opponents is priceless, so I understood why Ole didn't take him off.

Ole should have taken him off - there was no excuse. It wasn’t even because of the yellow card but the manner by which he got the yellow.

The first yellow was a red card offence. PSG fans were furious he didn’t get a red card and you know from there that they would do everything to get him sent off.

United players were furious Lamela wasn’t sent off when he provoked Martial. Martial got a red card, Lamela didn’t even get a yellow card for his provocation. What did Mourinho do? He removed Lamela at half time.

Mourinho is seasoned enough to know leaving Lamela on would get him sent off cos the referee isn’t likely to pardon him if he’s involved in another scuffle. These are basic stuff in football but when you have a PE teacher that should be in women football, common sense becomes rare.

KingAlabi:
Anything he touches doesn't fails

Excellent this with molde as case study.

He’s a failure. Norwegian league is not a yardstick.

Tuchel could have also gone to Czech league and stat pad trophies there. Only the top 6 leagues in Europe count. The others aren’t better than the Nigerian league.

olabode89:
You need to check the effect of each loss on the final outcome of the group table. Everyone apart from United defeated Istanbul BB home and away, thay loss played a huge part of why we finished 3rd in that group. Also the loss to Leipzig was pivotal as it was the last game and we needed to not lose to progress to the knockout round.

The loss to PSG at Old Trafford meant we broke even against PSG with 3pts to both teams. Before castigating Ole for that loss you should revisit that game and see if it was Ole that told Martial to miss sitters and Fred to have brain farts that made us go 1 man down during the game.

A club of United’s stature should be winning all their home games. What others do to the Turkish team is inconsequential to how United must operate.

This is Man Utd, not Leicester. Even a draw against PSG would have sealed the qualification. What did Ole do? Open his legs like a $2 prostïtute and got schooled by Tuchel.

Expert17:
Haaaaa

I had to hit below the belt.

United fans that witnessed a TREBLE win, witnessed 2008 European double is celebrating a fluke win against PSG?? How the mighty have fallen.

A game that VAR ruled Herrera’s deflected shot as a penalty. No United player even contested for penalty, they were happy with a corner kick. VAR thought differently and Rashford scored the penalty at the death.

Yeah, let’s keep wankïng over that victory - it’s a trophy on its own.

KingAlabi:
He didn't coach molde, na giggs coach molde

What is Molde?

How is coaching in a league that is ranked 22nd in Europe relevant in this discussion?

olabode89:
This man, I don tire to dey school you..

We got dumped out of the UCL this season because of that poor result at Istanbul BB and the losing the last game to RB Leipzig.

No! You got dumped out of UCL because you failed to beat PSG on your home turf. The PSG game was the 5th game out of 6.

Had Ole won that, the game in Leipzig would have been a dead rubber game. Even after losing to the Turkish team, United were still leading the group.

GloryIsaac:
Who coached PSG when Man United beat them twice?

Sorry in advance for putting you in the mud, I won’t do it again, I promise

And what did you gain from those victories? Nothing.

PSG went on to win their domestic league and has played in Champions League final since then. United beat them twice, PSG also beat United twice at OT - you put yourself in the mud.

What have United achieved since then? Nothing

You are the type of guy that get ejaculatïons because a babe allowed you to hold her hands. You won a round of 16 game, PSG have made it to the final since that episode while you are still figuring a way to overcome bottom teams like Wolves & Leicester to get into a final.

Shame!

KingAlabi:
Not selective amnesia
But plain stvpidity, what did leipzig do again?

Had PE teacher gotten 3 points at Old Trafford, the game at Leipzig would have been a dead rubber game. In CL group stage, it’s expected to win all your home games, get at least a draw away and qualify with ease.

PE teacher flunked with the brilliant start he had. How do I explain to anyone that has never watched CL before that the team that was topping this group with 2 games to go failed to qualify?

GloryIsaac:
Look, some of us have been here long enough to see talks like this constantly in the mud. Dead it.

PE teacher lost to a Turkish team that was 16th position or so in their league.

Could anything be worse than that?

Scratch that, I know what’s worse.

A short story.................

A certain manager needed 6 points in the league to qualify for Champions League. There were 5 games left and those games were against Everton, City, Chelsea, Huddersfield(already relegated) & Cardiff(already relegated).

The manager could only squeeze 2 points out of these fixtures. I have forgotten the name of this manager but he’s from Norway. He relegated Cardiff in 2014 and everything he’s touched as a manager has failed.

Can you remind me of this manager’s name?

olabode89:
PE teacher beat your Lord and personal saviour twice at his backyard when he was at PSG, with the second game showing some impressive tactical moves. No dey yarn dust abeg.

But it was the same Tuchel that dumped Ole out of the champions league by beating him 3-1 at Old Trafford.

I am sure your selective amnesia missed that obvious fact.

KingAlabi:
Oga we were bad in the first half no doubt

But please tell me how we didn't step up in the 2nd half, if we did, who was the cause and if we didn't how did we win.

Why was Man Utd so bad against Brighton at Old Trafford?

I doubt Ole had anything to do with the outcome. The boys almost conceded a penalty and a possible red card for Maguire because he prevented a goal scoring opportunity.

Was that the tactic?