₦airaland Forum

Kobojunkie:
Or maybe it is simply the case that you spend way too much time listening to meaningless GOSSIP that ought not to even matter when it comes to your assessment of the ability of those you have as leaders?

Read my update above.Also please note : I don't read,listen or discuss GOSSIP !

Lets be clear of our disagreement ^{cos no one is talking about ability of anyone}
Kobo: Turai cannot possibly be more influential than the VP Goodluck

illusion: In the current set-up,Turai is probably more influential than Goodluck

Kobojunkie:
I am saying YES, I do not buy the argument that Turai (a ceremonial first lady) wields more power than a Vice President does

You have spent too much time abroad. . . . ,   

We are talking about a country

Where you don't have to be a candidate to win an election.

Where election results are WRITTEN ,people don't even bother to do multiple ballot stamping.

Where the chief law officer gets murdered in cold blood & nothing has up till now come out of it. . . .

You have really good visions of Nigeria,unfortunately we aren't there yet !

KnowAll:
We should not underestimate the power of Good-luck, all those hoodlums collecting 65,000 a month are under him. He might not have the conventional armed forces under him at the moment, he has his own de-facto force that could make the country ungovernable for any goverment in Abuja.

If u cannot dig the black gold from the ground how will the goons in Abuja eat. It is then one will realise that Abuja is a peniless town tied by an umbilical cord to the oil in the South-South.

Your second point I agree with. . . however those 'hoodlums' are loyal to their pockets & not Goodluck

Abuzola 1:
Oh ! I just remember, if it is PT, truely you will be old enough and i know that yorubas mary at old age,

i read one of your post in romance section filthing with a girl, how come a married man is into that ?

What is PT? part time? You must be a joker
If you want to know my marital status,you can ask

Kobojunkie:
That one na big lie!!! The last VP was definitely VOCAL.
But can we stick to Nigerian Examples. Do you remember Atiku, Idiaghon – VPS --- that did all they could to steal some thunder from their president.
He did not appoint them? How do you know he even disagreed in any way with the appointments? Come on!! Keep Turai out of this please cause I don’t believe a whole VP can be shut up by a woman, in Nigeria, and not say a single thing about it.

What has VOCAL got to do with it? Are you talking about Atiku ,that OBJ fired all his personal staff? Idiagbon was a military 'VP' & dats a different case cos he & Buhari arranged their coup.

But don't lets digress-Are you really saying you don't believe Tural potentially wields more power than Goodluck? Then you are probably not up to date with Nigerian politics. The fact remains that currently we don't have a system,& thats why we are all concerned that all hell might break lose if Yar'Adull passes on.

SapeleGuy:
Can we stop this Fashola propaganda, in terms of concrete achievement he can't tie Donald Duke's shoe laces.

Donald Duke in 8 years vs Fashola in 2.5 years ? haba !

C/river with 2 million(mainly 2 tribes) vs Lagos with 17 million(with almost all tribes in at least their thousands?) .

Lets always leave sentiments & face facts. The thread is about Jonathan resigning,you can start another one titled Duke vs Fashola

Kobojunkie:
needs to? The man has, hand in hand with Yar adua, held 140 million hostages for over 2 years and you still aren't satisfied?

Not really,the VP in most democracies(even in the US) is a glorified houseboy. Even the chief of staff holds more 'power'.
He did not appoint the service chiefs,ministers,parastatal heads etc. And because ,our 'democracy' is still shaky,people won't automatically defer to him as they should in the absence of the president. . . I daresay ,ministers may even give Turai official briefings instead. And thats why Jonathan needs to work at the necessary reforms asap !

Jonathan needs to step up to the plate,this is a democracy,not a military govt. The SS govs should also back him up & insist he will not resign.

He should push for proper electoral & constitutional reform & bow out in 2011.

Abuzola 1:
*hiss* you are not ten years older than me and u have the audacity to call me son, take your time o

You are assuming, and by the way10 years na joke? . . . . in addition my 'sons' in school are much older than you are right now . . . . , . .  I like your zeal,but just try to rise above insults and engage on an intellectual level. . . you have the potentials for great things. . , . . .(son   )

Abuzola 1:
Whatever, how old re u, be sincere before man and God

Much older than you. . . .I can only tell you I graduated from the University in the 90s. 

Ibime:
GBAM!!!

@ ibime,you no agree with point No 2 about 'Council of State'?

naijaking1:
Back to Jonathan, why should somebody ask him to resign?

The problem with this 'Jonathan must resign' thingy is dat there's an inherent assumption that PDP will always win the presidential elections. . . this is indeed flawed,like the entire poilitical process if you ask me. . . .

Tho' its far better than a military regime sha !  

Abuzola 1:
Really ? Am just sad about the whole thing, how the admin and supermod keep depressing islam, very soon they shall receive God's punishment, yeah very soon. And the terrorism they fear will touch each and every conspirator. Like they say 'terrorism isn't insanity but as a result of oppression'

I suggest you study the medical term 'delusion'

Beaf:
Poor example, Fashola works for Lagos. but will never make it on the national scene WITHOUT rotational presidency. As a governor, he is good; as a Nigerian, he is wretched - why deport fellow citizens?

He's not 'wretched' as a Nigerian. . . poor choice of words . Rather what I suspect you're implying is that his decision/actions as governor may work against a potential aspiration for national political office .

Abuzola 1:
Illusion indeed

Yes my son,I can see you have chilled out a bit. . . .banning indeed works

Kobojunkie:
As I explained, I used the Fashola example to explain how Rotational Government as it is in Nigeria DOES NOT promote the election of HIGHLY INTELLIGENT PERSONS but instead promotes the election of people first by region; qualifications comes in afterwards.

And this is precisely the point I'm trying to pass across. TO 'LEAD ' NIGERIA UNFORTUNATELY ,YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE INTELLIGENT.As a matter of fact,being intelligent/educated may be a limiting factor,because of the high illiterate population.

I recall when Awo tried to make education compulsory,he faced severe opposition because people felt their children wouldn't be available for farming,if they were forced to go to school.

In a nutshell,being streetwise is what is required to lead nigeria,not necessarily MBAs & PhD(these are useful for appointees).

So rotational presidency is good for stability & should be put into a reviewed constitution.

Abuzola 1:
Illusion , the cynical paranoid patient,

What took you so long? You were checking the dictionary?

And this is all you could come up with ?

Kobojunkie:
Why change the entire constitution? What part of the current constitution really needs to be changed?

I want to vote for Rotational system as a good way of making sure that each region gets a chance, but the evidence is OVERWHELMING that it will lead to more failure and little change from the status quo. When I consider what we have seen in the past 10 years of our democracy, I am not willing to place my bet on the same for the next 6 or so more years.
Why? Because it is clear at this point that as long as power remains in the hands of the few, it will continue to be manipulated as it has ,

a) Leadership will be based more and more on what region a potential leader is from and not on brilliance or qualification. We have an example in Yar adua. There was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING qualifying that man for the position to start with but in the name of rotational presidency, he was selected as the candidate with the least criminal past for the job


b) The power or chances of the people to regain power will continue to diminish with time


c) Criminals in government will continue to get away with crimes committed against the people


Think about it for a minute. Folks are out there calling for people like Fashola to get a go at the seat but guess what, he is likely never to get a go if we continue this rotational system.
Hmmm . . . .

The fact (just as Nchara above has opined) is that to rule Nigeria,you need not be a highly intelligent person sad but true.

The entire 1999 constitution as is presently written in my own opinion is illegal,why?

1.Its never been subjected to a referendum by  the people of Nigeria& was essentially passed on by the military .

2. Do you know there is provision in this flawed document for a group called 'Council of State' comprising all past 'presidents' of Nigeria including coup plotters like IBB,Buhari?

3.In addition things like the Police,creation of Local governments,revenue allocation & generally true federal principles are absent or severely watered down,so it needs serious 're-writing'.
If we have true federalism,& trully independent institutions ,including the police,press. .  . .most of your fears would be addressed.

Abuzola 1:
Am so disheartening and very much disappointed in mukina, the same way they ban me for infiltrating the religion section is the same way mccloud, illusion and co are doing the same to our section no thread is spared. Besides i inherited it from them, Allah knows that i have done my possible best, inshaAllah when next am ban am leaving this site to a more convenienceconvenient one.

And we'll all(reasonable christians,muslims & atheists) be the better for it ,I pray you get banned very soon my 22 year old immature friend.

Kobojunkie:
Interesting that we continue to overlook the main ingredient to the success of rotational government in the examples given. Power belongs in the hands of the people and so rotational government works because the people agree and vote whom they will. Hence, only the best candidates can even qualify for consideration from each group, and the people decide what candidate gets the go.

Rotational presidency is not an end in itself& dats why I referred to a change in the entire constitution. Strengthening of relevant institutions - electoral,judicial ,police etc is equally if not more important .

In addition true federalism should make  the centre less attractive,my state & local govt  should have more impact on my daily life than Abuja.

Its sad if it has trully come to this. There's nothing wrong with inserting rotational presidency into the constitution.
The problem is that the our politicians are never interested in giving us a proper constitution unless they stand to benefit directly. Why should one person's illness bring so much instability? rotation or something similar is practised in many countries - Lebanon,Switzerland,Iraq inclusive.

Sad indeed

Caringpro:
As much as we all wish with all our hearts that Mr. Presidents lives long but does he really want to? Is this how powerfully influencing power can be? Even when one's life is at stake? Mr. President step aside and manage your life no matter how short it remains. We love you and you have tried!

Well said. but unfortunately,political office in Nigeria is less about service & more about being an overlord.

;d

bilymuse:
The issue is not to resign or not. Other countries have sick president that are not forced out.
Firstly, What is the constitutional position?
lets follow the law

We quote the law when we shouldn't. Resignation is a PERSONAL/MORAL decision,it has nothing to do with the constitution. Does he(Umaru) in his heart of hearts believe he is giving Nigerians the leadership they deserve? A country lagging far behind its peers,still has to grapple with an indisposed president.

Really sad indeed.

niyi53,Now you have a dose of how outrageous one's beliefs may appear to other people no matter how convinced or strongly one may feel about those beliefs. . . . . . . .

poske,your attempts at embellishing the obvious is laudable.

No matter which way you look at it. . . .the situation is an eyesore,lets not grandstand,I beg. . . . .

wirinet,Im interested in your experiences with astral travel & clairvoyance. Did you get to meet the devil & were you able to leave your body?

[quote author=echo- bee link=topic=352703.msg5006159#msg5006159 date=1259340503]that man don mad finish,he no know[/quote]True

walata44:
Yes, he should resign. How many Nigerians that are dying of the ailment right now without opportunity of flying out of the country at the expense of our commonwealth?

Well said. A policeman in Ibadan reportedly lost 2 children this month alone due to poor medical care and went on rampage. . . . .our presido can however afford to hold all of us ransome & travel to saudi for 'medical check-up' every fortnight. . . We need a revolution.

olabowale:
illusion2 it is prophetic sunnah to shave or cut very low the pubic hair, every 40 days, max! what you like sometimes may not be good for you.

Yes he should go home to sort out his health.

Niyi53:
why is it that it is all muslims that are opposing the Ahmadis? It is not their fault. The christians should know that their belief in the death of jesus on the cross IS WRONG. If they think it is not wrong, they should prove it to the world. For this, i have opened a thread under the heading 'the christians should give biblical evidence for their belief in jesus death on the cross'.

Further reinforces my point. It easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for people like you to accept another religions point of view. . . so typical ^*sighs*

im really sorry to hear about your loss pitzone. may God grant you the fortitude to bear you loss.

For all NLers(muslims,christians & atheist) note that Abuzola's a rather immature fellow,pay him little attention.