A-40:

Where is Maedan? I dey miss her die ooh! Where is illusion? Carry your coconut head come here! Maga!

I dey kampe as always 

Just meeting with the Americans to decide on Roy's successor. I have to concede that bgees saw this coming while & I had defended Roy's choice all the way.

Hodgson has no clue 

dayokanu:

I am a fan of a club that wins not a club that has remained league-less for 20yrs before you were even born

Yepa !

Dayo ,for someone who hates Liverpool,you spend quite a bit of your internet time here

While here,stay calm okay ?

BTW are you not the same person touting Bayern Munich all over the place?

Lagosboy:

@ ilussion2

Illusion2

Very clear. Then you need to stop saying 'unjust killing' 'killing of innocents' etc

Because anyone can claim he/she has determined the other party is 'guilty' and hence killing that person is justifiable .

I'm sure you catch my drift.

Lagosboy:

The sanctitiy of human blood in islam is universal and the unjust killing of anyone be it muslim or non muslim is a terrible sin in islam, the punishment for murder in islam is capital punishment to butress my point.

There is no basis for a radical to kill an innocent soul in islam and there is no islamic justification for a radical muslim to invade another persons house and orders him to kill his wife. This has nothing to do with islam and the question should be in the context of ethnic clashes which happens everywhere. During the Ife and modakeke crises of the mid 90´s this happened between christians, during the urhobo vs itshekiri crises of the late 90s this happened between christians.

All you have said makes perfect sense bro + you are probably the most logical muslim I've ever met online.

However I always shudder at comments like muslims cannot partake in 'unjust killing' , or kill 'innocent souls','civilains' or 'non-guilty parties'. Why do muslism have to qualify their statements.  Can taking some certain lives be justified in Islam 

Why not 'you are not allowed to take anybody's life- shi kenan? 

Are you confirming every muslim is automatically a 'soldier of Allah' or what? Because I honestly can't understand how a human being can determine who is 'innocent' or not. What is the purpose of the judicial system,if I can pronounce death on the 'guilty' and take their lives in the 'justice of Allah'.

Please clarify dear brother because Im very concerned 

Amalaaba:

Jessey, Onye_Okwu (Owner of Fire?), Illusion2 please take it easy and put yourselves in the shoes of all the Muslims (1.5Billion and still counting) that you are putting in a bag. If God had wanted, all of us would have been in the same religion. Try to look beyond rhetoric and review our argument thoroughly before dismissing us all as violent.

I think you people should really stop banding this ‘1.5 billion’ number all around. It’s not accurate & is at best an aspiration. Note that the number of ‘muslims’ includes  ‘kaffirs’ & apostates like Shia, Ahmadiyya , Alevi
I agree with your statement that God created all of us the way we are & we should respect everyone.
I NEVER said all muslims are violent,they are not ! I live with muslims & I appreciate their humility.
I am trying to tackle the logic that there’s a ‘war on Islam’.

Amalaaba:

Besides, for God sake, use the same standards to access CHRISTIANITY and ISLAM:
[/list]When we show portions of Bible that are VIOLENT and INHUMAN, you say we can't interpret Bible ordinarily but your must interprete Quran ordinarily?
Christians who wanted to practice their religion freely formed US after wiping (GENOCIDE?) out the red Indians. US (A 90% Christian Nation) dropped the only 2 Nuclear bomb in Japan that annihilated (and continue to kill) hundreds of thousand of people and you say we should discountenance that but you mention a guy that was killed and your Christian killing must be acceptable? How unfair can you be!
Protestants in US numbering 70million cannot allow a non-Christian to become President and their support for ISRAEL is total. America (Christian) supplies $2Billion worth of weapon yearly to Israel to annihilate Palestinians. Any Parliamentarian who criticizes Israel loses his Job. Even Journalist Octavia Nasir and Jacob are clear example. When you support a cause you are liable. 

Portions of the Bible are violent-correct,but we read it in context.

The Bible like the Koran is full of history,admonishment,cultural practices. Nobody said the Old Testament is not part of our Bible,but we seperate history from divine directives. Also we follow the law of the land ,wherever we are.

This is the main reason I’m here, you should learn to seperate human policy from religion. Hiroshima was not bombed because the Bible or Jehovah said so. Just like Saddam did not use the Koran to invade Kuwait nor Jordan when it was fighting the Palestinian feyadeen in the 60s.
War is started by human beings. The problem the whole world has with muslim radicals is that they claim they are on a God given mission & they have rewards for killing ‘kaffirs’.
Also get your facts right – about 80% of America is Christian and protestants are far more than 70 milion.
Stop throwing numbers around.
As per my post above -Israel’s hold on America is less of religion & more of economic power. Octavia Nasir the victim you are quoting is a CHRISTIAN !

Amalaaba:

ILLUSION2, please fear God: You claimed that Bush(A Christian) went to kill 1m Iraqis just to remove Saddam[i] for Muslims[/i], Do you truly believe this? let me remind you sir; Bush & Blair (Both Christians) against world opinion, such as Mandela(Bush generously abused him then) and Tutu (Both Christians) under the pretext of removing WMD which IRAQIS and UN said they did not have, after 10 years of debilitating sanctions, which killed tens of thousands of Iraqi Children. By the way, US (CHRISTIAN) armed Iraq against Iran. Rumsfed(CHRISTIAN) once described Mujahideen (TALIBAN) as examples of freedom fighters when they were arming them and training them with syllabuses developed in US Universities to fight Russians. Rumsfed was then working under Reagan( A Christian).
MY POINT: If you are saying a few Muslims are violent so all Muslims are violent, then you must agree that for the few Christian who are violent, all CHRISTIANS are VIOLENT.

I have made this point clear above. America invaded Iraq due (foolishly) to prompting from Iraqis in exile (Muslims).
Of the 1million people killed or displaced in Iraq,95% are killed by Muslims. They even blow themselves up in mosques, religious processions etc. If all muslims stopped killing muslims,the deaths in Iraq will stop.

Amalaaba:

By the way, Oshiomole, Fashola and Tinubu are Muslims married to Christians all of whose wives made all the children CHRISTIANS. Please give me such example in CHRISTIANITY as a demonstration of tolerance of your Christians.

Wrong again. Fashola mother is Christian tho’ his father is Muslim. Himself & his siblings were all christians until he decided at the age of 21 to become a muslim,all his siblings are still christians.
Yes they are tolerant,if all muslims were like these

Amalaaba:

THE FACT: Lets treat the cause not symptom. Economics and Social problems are at the root of the problem in Nigeria today. You are angry when they see the ostentatious life style of our leaders. Umuleri/Aguleri,  Ife/Modakeke so on may have been called religious  if  either side had Muslim majoriy
LETS OPEN OUR EYES MY FRIENDS; POLITICIANS ARE THE SAME EVERYWHERE: Wicked, selfish, Evil and dangerous.

You have just stated the correct thing. Politicians are the same. Never look at life strictly from the lens of Islam, otherwise you will be misled. Remember Saudi wants Osama bin Hiding dead as well.

This is the problem. . .never equate a country with 'Islam'. Many muslims fail to make this distinction- even the terrorists can't make this distinction.

No matter what anyone tries to tell you to the contrary ,you are first & foremost a black man. Although the Wahabbis might make you think all muslims are equal,but you need to visit Saudi Arabia or any other 'muslim country' to know this is at best a pipe dream .


1. The greatest enemy of Iran apart from Israel is Saudi Arabia (due to the Shia/Sunni divide) wikileaks gives more insight into this when the saudis are quoted as asking the US to bomb Iran.

2. Saddam was a threat to all his neighbours- he fought a devastating 7 year war with Iran ,where over 1 million people died. He invaded Kuwait and they pillaged,violated and destroyed many muslim lives & property. When this happened ,it wasn't seen as a war on Islam ??

But all of a sudden the US (with active support of Iraqis in exile),[/b]removes Saddam [b]for the benefit of muslims and its a war on Islam Kindly note that I was & still am against the war in Iraq.

3. I am also not happy about the blind US support for Israel on the occupied arab lands,but its less of a religious issue & more of a political one.

If it was religious & the US was a 'christian' country,they Israel shold have been destroyed by now. Remember the Jews killed our Lord Jesus Christ. The Nazis were 'christians'. So its not religious - 20% of palestinians are christian. Its a political problem which requires a political solution & not terrorism.

uplawal:

this place is better,i dnt do corner,am married

uplawal:

He(SWT) said it severally in the Quran,i dnt say it,am only letting you know about it shogbo

If ultimately its Allah decision,then you can't make that conclusion,so gbo ? 

JaaizTech:

I really do understand your anger and deservedly so. I as a Muslim I am very shamed because of these events and I believe the poster as a Muslim is also ashamed of these developments. His call was to Nigerian Muslims to rise up against this scourge called "Boko-Haram" lest it hijacks our identity. I commiserate with all the Christians that have suffered because of these Bombing events and pray the Perpetrators are not only brought to book but be paid in their coins.

I also believe majority of Muslims (and Hausa Muslims inclusive) do not support this kind of radicalism (which has also caused the death of many Muslims either directly or as a result of retaliation) but I must also say we as Muslims have come to terms with the reality that we have "extremist" amongst us. And we have to do all we can to fight against this extremism.
Islam doesn't preach this violence.

The most reasonable muslim post so far. God bless you. , I feel better now.

uplawal:

Never will a muslim ascribe anything to Allah,cos thats the first thing you reject,never to associate partner to Allah

You(uplawal) ascribe punishment on all 'non-believers' on behalf of Allah as if you are Allah's partner !

RuuDie:

Wrong. . . . the ball came off the Bolton defender and not Maxi, so technically JC wasn't offside.

Incredible game. . . . found myself rooting for L'pool, unacceptable really being a UTD fan but i just felt so sorry for poor ol' Roy --- & more importantly, this L'pool side played with spirit, they didn't deserve any less!

Thanks bro 

[center][size=18pt]YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE[/size][/center]

The demise of the IBB myth

Roy lives to fight another day. . . . . any loss from now until May will sure lead to his sack 

@beta Things,
I don't want to go into an endless cycle of arguments.

I appreciate the urge to defend your faith,but it does not help when you try to look for 'christian examples' of terrorism to justify the evil being perpetuated in the name of Islam.

As I have stressed,learn to seperate POLITICS from RELIGION. All muslims find this difficult.

All other comments trying to justify what is wrong or attempts to re-write history will not gain any traction.

Even a fellow muslim -LagosShia has highlighted the link between pre-Islamic arab aggressiveness & modern Wahabi/Al Qaeda theology.

Just stick to the standard narrative- these terrorists practice a corrupted version of Islam & not try to look for 'christian ' examples of terrorists.

Hardly a day goes by without someone blowing up him/herself in the name of Allah.

True. . .One must never say NEVER.

Neither am I giving up on you [b]CROSS[/b]ing over

uplawal:

You hink i insulted you right?sorry if i did,but you've insulted my religion and God so many times and i left it to HIM to judge you concerning that,and surely he will judge you best, the one i can really remember was,"the devil indisguise religion" and so many you said.the reason i said dumb was because you dnt understand things easily,you just going up and down,saying the same thing.

Now tell me,what do you mean by Allah(swt)being mis-interpreted?

If you have to say anything about Allah(SWT)pls say it or ask about with respect cos hes watching you and he will surely remind you of what youn used to do on that day ok

This is exactly my point. God should be the judge not mere humans?

The quote you have ascribed to me has been mis-interpreted,I would  never insult anyone's beliefs.

How can God make a mistake. . . the point Im trying to make is that it is YOU (many muslims & christians alike) that ascribe all things to God.

I believe majority of muslims are peace loving. . .the reason we are discussing this is because hardly a day passes without someone trying to get into Aljannah

dSolution?:

Let me guess. The armed robbers were teaching Sunday School to the people  lying down on the road. Oh i get your point. The xtian robbers were not terrorising the innocent people. The heart of man is evil. maybe some evil is less evil than others.

Christian robbers ? eh ! 

Are you part of the gang that you know what they worship  . . . .wonders will never end.

I'm sending your details to the IPO,you must substantiate your claim that the perpetrators of this dastardly act are actually christian.

God don catch you today ! Your IP has been identified,expect a call this week.

LagosShia:

brother you are talking as if you don’t live in this planet.the wahhabis that are exporting extremism and terrorism and trying to portray themselves as “holier than thou” are hypocrites.the saudi government which backs this form of extremism only do it so as to control and lay hold on the ignorant and helpless people.they themselves don’t abide by their rules.take a look at a wikileak cable that exposed a saudi prince that threw a party in one of the villas and how alcohol was served love-peddlers were brought and all kinds of evil were done.the saudi government do not also represent their people.they use this form of Islam to control the people while they themselves don’t abide by it.they are puppets to foreign governments and only care about living lavishly and sucking the oil money.wahhabism is a disease to muslims and islam.


To those non-muslims blaming islam and condemning the Prophet.you should know that the Prophet and Islam have nothing to do with this arab jahiliyah terrorism.the first people to suffer from the jahiliyya terrorism that today is under the name of wahhabism were the Prophet himself and his household.do you know how Hussain,the Prophet’s grandson was killed and his household massacred?he was beheaded by so called muslims.it is the element of the jahiliyyah and arab paganism of bloodshed and killing and inhumanity that have crept into sunni islam and manifested itself in the extreme form as wahhhabism in our present day.let us be frank.those non-muslims calling for muslims to condemn the terrorists that kill innocent people:do you know that the majority of (sunni) muslims don’t condemn the people that massacred the Prophet Muhammad’s household because they (those butchers) disguise themselves as muslims?this arab terrorism got nothing to do with the Prophet or Islam.the Prophet only defended himself against blood-thirsty arab pagans.the arab tradition of violence predates the Prophet Muhammad.it has its roots in arab paganism and igorance refered to as “jahiliyyah”.this tradition ceased during the days of the Prophet because with the help of God he brought them to their knees and established peace.once he passed away that same pagan bloodshed came back with the pagan converts to islam,many of whom were hypocrites claiming to be muslims in order to be embraced by the society at large and for their selfish gains.

This terrorism was first suffered by the Prophet’s family.and up to this day the wahhabis are killing and abusing the rights especially of the Shia and even the Sunnis as was the case in Iraq,when Sunnis refused to agree with the wahhabi al-qaeda ideology of death.the pagans and hypocrites claiming islam massacred the Prophet's family and took away their rights.and the household was patient through the days of calamities that befell them until finally Imam Hussain,the grandson of the Prophet had to be beheaded to rescue the sleeping muslims.it was that tragedy that made the muslims to wake up to the reality and overthrew the dynasty that was ruling known as banu umayya.but even to this day,sunnis (majority of them) don’t condemn most of those who caused harm to the Prophet’s household,the likes of Muawiya and his son Yazeed.so if someone does not condemn the people that killed his own prophet’s household,how do you expect him to condemn those that are doing these acts today against ordinary humans?its all done under the cover of islam,but in reality islam,the religion got nothing to do with these acts.the popular excuse sunnis give is that these events (against the Household or the Ahlul-Bayt)should be forgotten.we should not talk about them because they are in the past.that is a problem.those who don’t learn from the past will repeat the same mistakes.if we cannot condemn the terrorists and injustice and so called muslims who slaughtered and abuse the Prophet’s family,then how would you condemn the same acts today?

I am a Shia Muslim and I am not concealing that or trying to propagate my beliefs.i am also not attacking my sunni brothers.but it is time my sunni brothers wake up to these facts and learn from history and join hands with us Shia on the teachings of Islam,the way the Prophet and his Household taught us.let us learn from the sacrifice of Hussain in Karbala who refused to be intimidated in giving legitimacy to tyranny even when his life was at stake.it is our duty as muslims to condemn injustice and oppression and tyranny everywhere and at all times,past and present and future.the wahhabis have hijacked Islam through the sunni branch.they hide under sunni islam but they are not sunni per se.they are terrorists and extremists who propagate extreme ideas not compatible with what the Prophet taught us.they have a jahiliyya zeal of perpetrating bloodshed under an islamic cloak.that should be exposed.i am sorry to say,Islam does not have terrorism.there are muslims who do and those are the wahhabism also known as salafists.

Well said bro.

I will go a step further & say a good number of the 'Islamic practices' are actually arabic pagan cultural practices. e.g Tawaff during the hajj. Beheading and stoning people etc

Remii:

Islam is a religion of peace, majority of Muslims are against the actions of the so called terrorists, Muslim governments in Arab worlds are daily wagging wars against them, Pakistan is killing Talibans every days, KSA flies jet fighters across the border to Yemen for the same purpose. The center for US military intelligence to fight Iraq war is located in Qatar, Back in Nigeria, are we saying those soldiers and police confronting the fanatics every now and then are non Muslims? Those who killed the Boko haram rioters are most likely Muslims.

The Islamic fanatics are very few and I believe jugding all Muslims with their actions is unfair. There are extremists in all other forms of religions too.
Suicide bombers are new to Islam, there were none in the times of Muhammad (PBOH) or the times of the guided successive companions, infact the 1st recorded suicide killer was Samson in the bible and later the Japanese Kamikazes bombers in the WWII in 1940s.

also the NIgerian northern leaders are not sincere to Islam, they refuse to give mass literacy to their people as done even in Arab world but gave their own children best of education at expence of the populace.

Samson is also in the Koran. Suicide bombing of large civilian population centres like we see it today started with the Tamil Tigers(Hindus).
The 'believers' obviously like to learn from 'Kafirs'

This is the problem. .  .never equate a country with 'Islam'. They are 2 very different things.

1. The greatest enemy of Iran apart from Israel is Saudi Arabia (due to the Shia/Sunni divide) wikileaks gives more insight into this when the saudis are quoted as asking the US to bomb Iran.

2. Saddam was athreat to all his neighbours- he fought a devastating 7 year war with Iran ,where over 1 million people died. He invaded Kuwait and they pillaged,violated and destroyed many muslim lives & property. When this happened ,it wasn't seen as a war on Islam ??  But all of a sudden the US (with active support of Iraqis in exile),removes Saddam for the benefit of muslims and its a war on Islam  Kindly note that I was & still am against the war in Iraq.

3. I am also not happy about the blind US support for Israel on the occupied arab lands,but its less of a religious issue & more of a political one.

If it was religious & the US was a 'christian' country,they Israel shold have been destroyed by now. Remember the Jews killed our Lord Jesus Christ. The Nazis were 'christians'. So its not religious - 20% of palestinians are christian. Its a political problem which requires a political solution & not terrorism.

^^^^Do you have to post in bold red ? 

ROSSIKE,you are here again with your ideas on Zim

uplawal:

Why are you so dumb,its just like the way you people attach to Allah,they too was attaching idols with Allah there,and the prophet came to stop all those,but really whats your problem,i think you dnt wanna be a muslim,so why asking question like you wanna be one

Hey ! take it easy. . . don't insult your seniors,ok  ?

According to muslims,christians are idolators and are not worshipping 'Allah' rather they are worshipping 3-in-1 gods.

Also why is Allah so prone to being mis-interpreted ? Maybe you're the one who's confused 

To answer you second question,I'm here to understand muslims & hopefully muslims can understand me as well. Rather than point fingers ,lets open our ears and minds.

uplawal:

a muslim is suppose to pray extra salat a t midnight not just new year

But they pray for the new year.

Whatever the origins of the dating system,its the date everyone (muslims,christains,hindus,chinese,persians,Nigerians etc)recognises & thats the date on your passport.

So trying to think Allah will be offended if you recognise today as January 1,I think we are ascribing politics to an infallable God.

uplawal:

Hes not your brother,dnt try to be familiar at all,and why do you need the sharia,since youre not a muslim?be a muslim and save yourself from hellfire

Well he's the one to confirm if he's my brother or not. The same Odua blood flows in our blood stream. We don't need some arabs or english people to tell us otherwise (or some 'porknosing' alhaja for that matter  )

I'm proud of my naija roots by the way. And stop this hellfire rubbish. . .or else I'll send you there myself. 

uplawal:

and point of correction,today is not our new year,and we dnt celebrate it,go away with your idolatory celebration ok

When I was much younger,we had this alhaji on our street who would ask his children not to respond when greeted happy new year  . But all his five children celebrated birthdays in April,May & September every year. I wonder how he came about those dates.

I live in the miidle east & the arabs (direct descendants of the prophet) say special rakkahs just after 12 midnight ,asking Allah for guidance in the new year. You yoruba people that they gave the religion are taking things to another level 

You are contradicting yourself :

First you say :

uplawal:

As to who will go down hellfire,Allah knows best

Then you state categorically :

uplawal:

Allah says,as for those that dnt believe in Allah,also dnt worship him the way he wants,also those that dnt believe in the hereafter,Prophet Muhammad,and the signs of Allah are gonna be doomed,also with whoever associate partner with Allah or says hes begotten a son,every other religion is guilty with one or more from this outlined,except muslims.

You need to let me know which is which. If Allah knows best how can you a mere human being be so sure ?

As per the Tawaff,how can Allah ask you to continue what idol worshippers were doing ? 

However ,if the 'idol worshippers' were doing what Allah had ordained before,maybe they were not really idol worshippers then?

@BetaThings-You my friend are wrong & I'll deconstruct your argument in detail.

Please note that I live with muslims & I love & respect them.

BetaThings:

You are wrong on Wahabi Islam, go and read a book by that title written by Prof Natana De Bass - a christian scholar in the US.

You are wrong- Please read this link by Chivas a non-profit in the UK and let me know if you cannot identify Wahabism
http://www.civitas.org.uk/press/prcs87.php

BetaThings:

Let a christian nation be invaded by a foreign one, you will be shocked at the rapid stripping away of all that veneer of civilisation. Go and read stories about the Bosnia wars and you will be which shocked what happened in modern Europeans 20 years ago.

This is another misnomer- There’s no such thing as a ‘christian nation’ governed by the Bible. Whereas we have countless ‘Muslim nations’ governed by Quran. That’s the difference. Anything a secular state does should be read within the context of secularity & as you say ‘the beast in us’.
You go read the Bosnian wars again & you find how many Christian Bosinan serbs died fighting to defend Sarajevo on behalf of their Bosnian muslims brothers. The war was essentially an ethnic one as the Bosnian muslims are actually serbs who converted to Islam during Ottoman occupation.

BetaThings:

Abusing Saudi Arabia is cheap but wrong. Who provided the intelligence to stop the mail bomb? Do you know what the Saudis did to frustrate Al-Qaeda? Right now, they are building a wall at their border with Yemen. You think the terrorist who approached their minister of interior (with a bomb embedded in the terrorist's body) was being sponsored by that country

Saudi sponsorship of the wahabi doctrine did not start today & they are only reaping the fruits of what they have sown over the years. So I may add is America which sponsored some of these terrorists in their fight against communism.
And so will Nigeria if we do not check this pernicious cancer,because young unemployed men will be brainwashed into believing Heaven is a better option for them via martyrdom.

BetaThings:

I repeat that if Ghandi had been killed by the CIA and a despot imposed, you think the 2 countries would have been so chummy today? There are always people who feel cheated. The ways they seek redress differ. Look at ND, Saro Wiwa did not believe in violence, MEND do. A Bin Laden believes that injustice to muslims must be repelled by force of arms - Iraqi invasion was unjust. Is the country now more peaceful now.

I do not support America  in anyway because I think they are arrogant & support (until recently) most corrupt politicians in Africa.

However,I don’t know how old you are but you need to do some more research.
Osama bin Hiding’s problem had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq. It came as a result of being snubbed by the Saudi Royal family during the liberation of Kuwait (a muslim country) from the clutches of another muslim leader (saddam). Osama was an American ally up until that point- do read up about the mujahedeen in Afghanistan.

Your point on Saro Wiwa is very poignant- rather than make this issues religious-it should be political.

As I pointed out in some other thread, I would have understood if Abdulmuttalab had gone to protest against the government in Katsina state or his local govt in Funtua for the lack of medical facilities ,impoverishment of his people, but tell me what is his business with the Palestinian problem when he has 70% poverty rate in his state?
Like the Darfur issues,it seems muslims are fine with muslim on muslim injustice,but once the ‘aggressor’ is non-muslim it becomes a ‘religious’ issue rather than a political one.

uplawal:

@Ayusman16, We are all created to worship GOD day and night,five time to be precise,and other form of worship(IBADAT)and its only in ISLAM that you can do that not just your jolly dancing,singing,clapping to yahoozee and praying devilish speaking in tongue YEBARIRIBA,YEYEYE SHE SHE SHE KOKOKO LEEEE, Christians are not even  doing things Jesus himself did like praying to his LORD(PROSTRATING)

Come to ISLAM and know the real worship of GOD,thats when you will know its not easy to make heaven

uplawal:

@Ayusman16,and if you think hes an idol then continue your christianity,and meet your fellows in HELL,thats when you would know that your main purpose on earth is to WORSHIP HIM DAY and NIGHT TILL YOU DIE,even trees,cows and co worship ALLAH,talkless of YOU,i pity your PROUD SOUL.

Its indeed hilarious how people can talk about things they cannot prove.

How can you determine if anyone will go to Hell? Please show me your proof?

I believe most muslims are in Islam due to a genuine desire to serve God ,ditto most christians.

But saying one person is actually worshiping the devil instead of God is not only false logic but dangerous.

@uplawal- Look at this critically - the circumnavigation of the Ka'aba existed before the time of the Holy Prophet Mohammed,when the Ka'aba was full of idols. How come its now part of the rituals of Hajj(Tawaf)??

The more you look the less you see. 

mantraa:

^^^
This is what i am talking about. The problem is that extemists will say that their actions are in self defence. If muslims are being attacked in afghanistan or the prophet is being insulted by the west, it is self defence to fight back in the west. If you die in the process then you will be rewarded as a martyr in paradise.

The problem is getting much worse in pakistan and afghanistan where the muslim extremists now consider moderate and secular muslims to be legitimate targets of their attacks.

How can a muslim become so brainwashed that he/she believes that Allah would be pleased if he murders fellow muslims, innocent children and kills himself in the process?

You answered it yourself- blame it on the saudis & the local muslim population who cannot tell the difference between common sense & terrorism.

We can keep denying it,but a deep problem exists & unfortunately is gradually creeping into our dear country

To LagosBoy:

Happy New Year brother.

Please advise me- what is the rule on evidence in Sharia Law?

Why isn't this applied to the letter in all cases?

Thank you my brother.

^^^^