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TruthinAction:
These days, so many people claims to be called of God and directed by the Holy Spirit but they are not. So the only way to confirm is if you either know the person one or one and you can testify from his lifestyle and teachings. But if you don't know the person, you may have to rely on the person's personal testimony which lines up with scripture. So, please tell me :

1. Are you born again?
2. What you understand by the term born again?
3. When did you get born again?
4. How did you get born again?
5. What changes can you say have taken place in your life since you got born again.
6. Have you received the baptism with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues?

Just put NO in the answers to all these questions. The fellow does not believe in all these. Some imaginary 144,000 have taken up all these goodies, he came late. He now wants to play with goats, pigs and snakes in the garden when he dies. Something like that is the summary of his belief.

It is quite unfortunate that your wishy washy, cross-less, rideonpastor brand of christainity has left you bereft of the reality of suffering for Christ's sake or for His name. Little wonder, you grasp with all the cling in you at little mediatalk as being persecuted/suffering because of Jesus.

Maestro21:
Pastor's Pastor? I thought gossip Christians said he was hired to endorse him?

You still have not figured out the art of using paragraphs. So forgive me if your ignorance of scripture is not off-putting.

Mat_23:24  Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

You are in the same breathe saying that you submit to TB as an MIT whatever, but you are not happy that i reminded you that he is your pastor's pastor. You are indeed confused. Maybe i should have put it more accurately, i think it is your pastor's senior pastor he was referred to if i recollect the episode.
You're more concerned at my use of paragraphs, straining at a gnat, while you happily swallow the camel of your pastor's senior pastor, who was unable to string together couple of english sentences coherently(the last i heard him). Jesus in that passage describes such people as HYPOCRITES.

How will anyone suffer false accusation because of Jesus? Don't disgrace the little understanding I still believe you have so humour me. I won't wait. You won't know it. It will be one of the many things you don't know.

Bible teaching is not humour. You can ask Jo to teach you more. He has good understanding when he is given the privilege of not trying to imitate your pastor.

Your Bible says some people who sound like your progenitors also said Jesus was a fraud. Anybody who does not forbid trousers and heals the sick must be fake. This is the deep teaching you want to bring to God's kingdom. It worked when people did not have TVs. Now they do. Sorry.

Isn't it interesting that you attempt to recognise my progenitors without even knowing me, while you cannot see your own self? You can keep all the gibberish you have spewed in the paragraph in your dustbin of a heart. i have no need of it, except of course you are again trying to falsely accuse me.

As for your politician's fib and what not. Please tell us about the false reports Paul suffered too. The one he was accused of stealing people's monies. Tell me you have not heard Politicians being accused of such. So why is Paul's own because of Jesus? Was it Jesus the people in Paul's day were accusing of stealing or was it Paul himself?

Let me now educate you though it might not be of immediate profit to the dead and the blind.
Act 24:5  For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: 
Act 24:6  Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law.

The above is an example of false accusation Paul suffered BECAUSE OF JESUS. This accusation was not only false, but it was BECAUSE Paul was a christian. It is a miracle that your brain cannot process this simple English despite putting in capital and other emphasis like bold.
If Paul was not a christian, he will not have suffered this. Nobody will have picked him up for arrest and told these lies. It was because he was preaching about, doing the Lord's work that he suffered this. And many others in the Bible who suffered because they obeyed Jesus. Some were literally sawn asunder, killed with the sword, tormented, stoned, because they were christians, because of Jesus, because of obeying Jesus. That is what it means to SUFFER FOR JESUS's SAKE. Don't ridicule it to the disagreement you have in your camp due to money or management issues.

The people you love don't need to submit to Prophet Joshua or any other MOG that walks in a level of power that is not seen in your midst or circle. There is MIT and Laspotech for a reason. The Laspotech people should submit under Laspotech and be happy, whilst us the MIT folks are doing same.

Lol, power indeed. You call that charade you face power? Well, it's not really your fault, you have not seen otherwise. Miracle peddling is not power. You need real power.

Don't worry about deception. The church is being purged and ignorance is leaving. I even heard some holiness preachers have changed some false doctrines and have promised to change more soon. We know the routine: we teach, we pray, then God knocks out the false doctrines and hypocrisy as we are all coming to a unity of our faith in Jesus Christ.

You seem to hear a lot. Spend less time in gossip, backbiting and ignorant thoughts.

The same things people swore were right and holy. When their master switched. They switched too and forgot they once looked down on people who did not share the same fears and false doctrines with them. Is our God not a good God?

i just smile as you are afraid to mention names. Keep living in the fear, so that fire does not kill you. When you are ready to speak straight, you will be fully engaged. Till then, revel in your atmosphere of half-truths and hearsays.

Maestro21:
Like I said earlier, you know some things, but not enough things.

Jesus had already said those who will live godly in him will suffer the same sufferings he suffered. What did Jesus suffer?

Matthew 5:11
"Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.

And like I said before, this particular man says he heals in Jesus' name. So what was part of Bisola's false story? That the healings are staged and that when it is not fake it is magical powers. Jesus said ALL kinds of evil. What other evil? She has lied that he raped her. Why is this big news? To further discredit him as someone who follows Jesus so that people who would have gone to him, gotten their problems solved and believed in Jesus, would not go there anymore.

Now who are the people carrying her false story the most? People who claim to be christians and some are unsuspecting because she is playing the last card I told you about: "from within his camp" card. Satan has no new strategies.

If your own pastor does not get persecuted at this level. It is because he is not walking at this level that Prophet Joshua is, for Satan to need to bring his last card to attack him.

So I fully understand the level you are speaking from. Mine is just higher.

Yhenyhenyhen i don't know enough because i do not believe that TB your pastor's pastor is a pastor. Higher indeed, i guess this is part of dreaming dreams.

Matthew 5:11
"Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
TB is not being accused BECAUSE of Jesus. He is simply being accused as a result of a fallout between him and his former staff. Nothing to do with Jesus. More of money and management issues.
It is not Jesus that said TB should stage miracles and use questionable means and powers. If he does things that are not scriptural, his staff and followers have a biblical right to question them. That is not persecution, that is not evil.
Also, accusation of rape is not because of Jesus. He is not accused of rape for Christ's sake. People are accused every day. Politicians accuse, malign and smear each other, both falsely and truly. It is not Jesus' fault or Christ's sake. That TB is accused of rape by someone who lived with him is not Jesus' fault or sake. There is no last card in careless and ungodly activities. God will never ever let anyone i love walk at TB's peddler level. We are far ABOVE such. Unfortunately, you will not understand what i just said, your head is literally stuck deep inside your god's deception. Ask Jo for help, maybe he can assist you to understand small.

Maestro21:
I know you know a lot. But you don't know enough.

There are 3 levels of persecution for Christ's sake.

1. There is by the world. This encompasses other religions, family, old friends and everybody not in the body of Christ. They hate you because you love Jesus.

2. There is by fellow Christians. Those who believe in Jesus but are in many doctrines different. They persecute other Christians and come up with false charges to disparage anyone who does not believe in Jesus the way they do.

3. There is by within your own camp. People who may have worked with you..and because of a rebellious spirit will leave and come up with more trumped-up allegations to bring down another for the same Christ. Paul called them dogs.

Now armed with this, go back and study the life of Paul and demarcate each of the categories of people who persecuted him for christ's sake. You can also find out what type of ministers get attacked by the last one.

Oh, you are patronising me fa.

Gal_6:12  As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
Php_1:29  For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

The above verses are where the term "suffering for Christ" form from in a sense. It means SUFFERING because of the cross of Christ, or because of Jesus. Your friend TB is not suffering, that's one. Any inferred or perceived suffering is not due to or because of the cross, or because of Jesus. It is simply due to a fallout between him and a former aggrieved staff. Most likely management issues or issues relating to money. It is not because of his stand for Jesus or anything he has done because of Jesus or the cross. If he is being accused of rape, how is that Jesus's fault? How is that because of Jesus? All the accusations against him are not suffering and they are not because of Jesus. Or you think anyone accused is because of Jesus? You cannot understand this simple and straight line because you are blinded because of your pastor.

Maestro21:
I did not come to "meet you". You asked a question that I sought to answer.

And just like I said, it is for Christ's sake simply because these false attacks are because of the Christ he claims he is representing. Otherwise, the person who made the claim should go to court and the rest of the Christians who keep rehashing the story should shut up.

So TB is accused of rape because of Jesus? TB is accused of exploitation because of Jesus? You clearly don't know what Christ's sake means. So Paul that was taken to "court", it is not for Jesus? You are confused.

Maestro21:
A lot of people claim to be mediums and healers. Guru Marahajis and co. Do you see Pastors preach about them on stage and prophesy their end? No.

But they do so willy nilly for prophet Joshua. Why? Because he heals people in a way they cannot and attributes the healing power to Jesus.

So yes, Prophet Joshua is being attacked falsely for his belief in Jesus. If these same allegations were made about the other names I mentioned above. Only very few people will care.

The hoopla now is because of the man involved.

I do not listen to or hear any pastor preach about TB or maharaji, if your pastor does, go and meet him not me. If someone has a disagreement with TB, it is not Jesus fault or for His sake.

asuustrike1:
I doubt that. Many Nigerians are hypocrite ( am not referring to you). They were quick to condemn fatoyinbo
but became dumb to T.B Joshua's case. That lady has enough fact even though some are exaggerated

Being "accused" or "falsely accused" is not the same as being "falsely accused for Christ's sake".

asuustrike1:
He has been accused already

Connect "falsely accused for Christ's sake"

Maximus69:
Whatever you say Mr 123, WHATEVER YOU SAY!

Now hopefully ciao

Maximus69:
Millions today became ajerii because they're observant of the fulfillment of what's recorded in the Bible NOT miraculous signs! Matthew 16:1-4

Millions are ajerriis because dogged persistence pays no matter what you are selling.

Maximus69:
It's really amusing Sir!

You only got one thing wrong in your response to my post. i wasn't born or brought up as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, i claimed the truth to become my own

I never wanted to engage you in a dialogue from the start, it's you who took it upon yourself to challenge divine wisdom. So if you're now retreating after the defeat, know today the sword of the spirit {Ephesians 6:17}wasn't designed to put you to death in any way {Hebrews 4:12}it was designed to make you realize YOU NOT ONE OF CHRIST'S SOLDIERS! Isaiah 54:17

Lol. I never mentioned, suggested, thought of, or alluded to you being born or brought up as an ajeeri. You are seeing things. Take my good advice. Ciao

Maximus69:
Of course any religious organization is excellent according to Jesus Christ {God's only begotten son} if they're able to form one happy global family of peace-loving worshippers John 17:20-23

Don't underestimate Jesus' prayers Sir, because God will never ignore the heartfelt prayers of his only begotten son and prefer those of fierce RACISTS and greedy POLITICIANS!

Jesus said BY THEIR FRUIT{Matthew 7:15-20} he also adds THEY WILL HAVE LOVE AMONG THEMSELVES{John 13:34-35}

So just check those qualities because Jesus said they will stand up above all other religious groups{Isaiah 2:2-4} as everyone throughout the earth will notice their high moral values! Matthew 5:14-16

If any group is able to meet up with the requirements set out in the Bible book of Galatians 5:22-23, Paul said against such a group THERE IS NO LAW!

You almost got me rolling on the floor with laughter. All those passages are referring to only members of your denomination, right? Stop smoking whatever you smoke. Also, i really suggest you treat malaria. Now, leave me alone, I'm entertained enough by you for a week.

Maximus69:
Yes ooooooooooo you perfectly understand what you're talking Sir because this AWAKE magazines has blindfolded over 8.5 million people from different countries to come under one umbrella as a global family of peace-loving worshippers just as Jesus prayed for almost 2,000 years ago! John 17:20-23
That Awake magazine has caused a lot of harm, don't you agree? James 2:18-26

Don't be ridiculous yet again. The muslims and catholics are much more than 8.5million. 8.5million proves zilch, except you agree that the quran is doing better.

Maximus69:
You missed this one Sir!

According to our teaching the 144,000 will be with the Lamb on Mount Zion {heaven} Revelations 14:1

So they can't even see snakes and goats where they're going because flesh and blood can't go to where Jesus promised to take them! John 14:1-3

It's people like me who have the prospect of living forever on earth with all faithful servants of God who lived before Jesus made that promise {Isaiah 11:6, 65:25} that we're going to be PLAYING WITH LIONS, TIGERS, WOLVES, SNAKES AND ALL OTHER ANIMALS just as it was in Eden from the beginning! Genesis 2:19-20

Perhaps you've lost hope in God's original plan for the earth Sir, know today that his plan will surely come to fulfilment! Isaiah 55:10-11

So it's our brothers who are selected to rule with Jesus in heaven that are limited in number {Revelations 20:5} as for those who will reside forever on planet earth, only God can number us! Revelations 7:9, 14:6

Come and let's teach you the indomitable truth from our book, your book, the book before all other books BIBLE

What do this guys understand asides watchtower books? English a problem? What did i feed you and what did you vomit? By the way, add "goats" to your list. Don't you like to play with goats?

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmmm, you're right Sir!

Excommunicated member of a Church gathered people together as Christians only to make sure that NONE OF THEM QUALIFIES to preach and teach about Jesus apart from watching only him on satellite after so many years when he himself condemned the use of TV

It becomes clearer to those that still have a soft spot for you that you really do not know what you are talking about. You need to wake up instead of blinding your eyes with Awake.

Maximus69:
Definitely the Church that excommunicated Baba was not following the same WORD OF GOD!

Baba mistakenly complicated the matter when he said the CHURCH WAS RIGHT for taking such decision against him!

So it's either the Church in question wasn't following the word of God or Baba wasn't following the word of God, two wrongs can never make a right Sir!

I think you should stay on your lane talking about 144,000 and playing with snake and goats in gardens. These things seem too complex for you. My little advice.

Maximus69:
Baba wanted to obey the word of God instead of the church rule.

Yet he himself said the Church made the right decision on the matter.

These people sef with their hypocrisy!

If pastor Kumuyi said so, he is an intelligent man, he will have said it in good light. It is obviously a right and good decision which helped to establish the Deeper Life church and ministry we see today, which is far bigger than the Apostolic Faith or JW in Nigeria. Compare that to if he wasn't allowed to go. Maybe he'll even be dead now, and we will not know him.

Maximus69:
Yes Sir! And

You are bitter in wisdom, and making a lot of sense. You are very right as in your custom!

I have no reason to be bitter, both here and in the real world, lol.

generationz:
Which word of God?

The same one, how many do you know?

generationz:
Why did they excommunicate him from AF?

Because he wanted to obey the Word of God instead of the church rule.

Maximus69:
If someone is accused of a crime, what do you think could bring you in as his lawyer when you're not well informed regarding the accused?

Come on, Kumuyi himself publicly declared he was JUSTLY excommunicated from a Church and now he is gathering people to form yet another Church of his own.
Do you think a sincere and honest individual will rise up to defend such a case without having full knowledge of the matter?

Well i don't blame you, nah the useless title PASTOR wey them take blindfold you still dey shak you!

Abeg if you no get answer for the question, commot for road!

You are revelling in ignorance, and not making much sense. You are very wrong as is your custom.

jcross19:
The most elites people in the bible were those hide under canopy of deities deceiving the gullible ones! The type of God Jesus introduced to us is quite different from what Happened in the old and most people perpetrated evil and hung it on God.

No need for story, just tell us you were there in Noah's time.

jcross19:
The truth is that Noah flood story was a tale or fiction any one you called it! they are many things in the bible that depicted God in a cruel way and if you study the bible very well you will discovered that most stories are fabricated in order to enslaved the people of their time! and still, they hide their atrocities under guise of God.

i'm sure you were there.

Maximus69:
OK you're also a deeperlifer too!

Very well Sir,

According to your Daddy in the Lord, he was rightly excommunicated. What led your daddy WFK to being disfellowshiped if he's amongst the honest and sincere worshippers?

Certainly he never left his former teachers on a good note, who ordained baba as a certified Pastor so that he opened his own Church and started teaching people?

Don't be ridiculous. You claim to know something about Pastor Kumuyi, does that make you a member of his church? If no, why then do you suppose that anyone else that claims to know something about him must be a member? Do you people at all asides from the so called "reasoning from the scriptures" done for you by your gang for you to read and memorise?

Maestro21:
The other party appealed. Condescended. Pleaded. The "offended" party still left. So the party that left is the one to come back as the other party even "spiritually" never left and is still seen wearing the same marriage band as a show of faith that nothing changed and things will normalize in the physical as they are in the realm of the spirit.

He should not stop condescending then and be ready to adjust the issues raised. No problem, love never fails.

Joagbaje:
O ti gbagbe ni

Remind me since you are the only one that remembers.

Maestro21:
The wife should walk in love and get back with him. She is the one who did the divorcing. He does not believe in it and never wanted it. He said so, online.

When a party is offended or feels aggrieved, the OTHER party should show some maturity and condescend, not stay on some high horse asking the aggrieved party to walk in love. i hope that is not how you live your life and family?

Pastor Chris should sha walk in love and get back with his wife, wetin consign me. Make Jo stop dey lie on top my head too, ah ah Why?

petra1:
Ola lo so fun e na



Just say you don’t recollect

Better still, just tell God you are sorry. If you are truly sorry, you will tell me later.

CosmicPhoenix:
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Luk 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

petra1:
Remember how you and image 123 criticized prosperity until your pastor started preaching success and prosperity too.

I do not even know how this your false accusation caught my attention. Is that how you have been lying on me without the fear of God. Don't be silly oh.

You should really be scared because the same God is coming to judge the world and all the sins.