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daddytime:
Promise kept at least.

The electorates won't forget that in a hurry. Very good strategy.

The question we should be asking is, how does Ogun State ramp up such a huge monthly salary bill. Where are those workers employed? How much do the mda's employing them generate for the state?

The agencies should be self-funding and still be able to make monthly remittances to the state coffers as IGR.

This is one of the problems with the Nigerian system. An Overbloated unproductive workforce.

I wonder oh. Some are simply not prepared to govern. Ogun state that is one of the highest in terms of IGR and tax. It just dawned on the governor that he is to pay salaries. Rubbish.

MuttleyLaff:
I know it's not so obvious to you my dear overzelous and dedicated heckler fan but the balls are part of the erogenous zones of the male body

Ah, I love it when my missus grabs me by the balls and tenderly caresses me there, it is a lovely feeling when she touches and stroke me gently there with her loving touch. Sometimes, when in the sack, she grabs my butt firmly and squeezes that too whenevr I bring her to "heaven", cloud nine at the point of orgasmic state ecstasy

I think you're a prude, my dear overzelous and dedicated heckler fan, nothing to tell you apart from that.

Dear MuttleyLaff. Let's be content with missus handling these issues. This gay thing is just not it no matter how you carry it.

franchasng:
My brother, such forgiveness take a long period of time....almost every family in Igbo land lost a breadwinner or a shinning star in that unfortunate war of 1967 - 1969 which was never supposed to have happened.

Okay how long will it take? Is it a christian thing for forgiveness to take long periods?

Even Israelis, the Jews especially today have not fully forgiven Germans and Arabs, its not as easy as you think.

Are they the God you are following or serving? Do you know how many millions of people have since died?

And Nigerian Presidents since 1970 - 1999 didn't try at all in pacifying Igbos in their huge loss during the war, rather they capitalized on the gains they made against Igbos during the war to further marginalize Igbos and had secret agenda to make Igbos pauper and slaves in modern Nigeria, which Igbos deferred through their hardwork and smartness and talent.

You know what I am talking about brother.

What is the definition of pacifying Igbos?

dadavivo:
Brainless talk. PMB was in Abacha government that murdered Abiola

Abacha's government murdered Abiola? That's news.

franchasng:
Not really. Igbo peoples' anger against Yorubas didn't start today, it started between 1966 - 1969 when Ojukwu and Awolowo had an unofficial agreement that as Ojukwu declares Biafra freedom, Awolowo will declare Odudua freedom so that there won't be any need for north to drag or fight so that Nigeria will peacefully divide in 1966/67.

Ojukwu and other Eastern officers believed and trusted Awolowo because Awolowo always stood for Yoruba interest and always against Nnamdi Azikiwe and Akintola and co who preferred Nigeria remaining one, so they believed Awolowo will declare Odudua republic and make the division of Nigeria easy and peaceful without war.

This was the reason Ojukwu facilitated the release of Awolowo from jail at Enugu where Tafawa Belewa/Azikiwe jailed Awolowo for treason, and Ojukwu gave him special escort back to Western region.

But Awolowo got to Lagos and Gowon offered him mouth watering political appointment as Finance Minister, Awolowo reneged on the unofficial agreement he had with Ojukwu.

So when Ojukwu declared Biafra as an independent state amidst a widespread pogrom against Igbos living in Northern Nigeria, Gowon first didn't want to go after Biafra until British government told Gowon not to accept it, so Gowon declared Police action to return Biafra back to Nigeria and that was how he mobilized Nigeria military to invade Biafra and return them back to Nigeria and the war broke out after several negotiations at Aburi Ghana failed.

And when the war started, Biafra was gaining ground, almost winning the war before British government and Egypt stept in with massive military support for Nigeria, and Nigeria also sold Bakasi oil rich land to acquire military weapons to defeat young Biafra which was proving difficult for Nigerian army, until Awolowo again suggested a harsh hunger policy to Gowon, which involved changing Nigeria's currency so it will be difficult for Biafra government to import food and drugs for her citizens as the war intensified and this led to mass hunger and malnutrition in Biafra land, causing Biafra soldiers to start turning to saboteurs leaking secrets to Nigerian soldiers just to get food to eat.

This torn Biafra apart and Biafra government officials and commanders started persuading Ojukwu to surrender to avoid further hunger and deaths of Biafrans, at the end, Ojukwu was forced to board a flight to go on exile in Ivory Coast while his vice from today Akwa-Ibom, Philip Effiong surrendered Biafra to Nigeria, and the war ended.

So Igbos saw Awolowo as a great betrayal that betrayed Biafra and Ndigbo, that was the beginning of the distrust

That's unfortunate. Even if true, because there are many commas in this story. But even if true, why are most of the Igbos so unforgiving? They are the tribe that prides most in being christian and Chukwu everything. Is forgiveness not part of most Igbo's christianity? Why do they feel betrayed by everybody not on the same page with them?

TATIME:
We're striving really hard to manage the little time we have! Ephesians 5:15-16
We have many sheep out there to preach and teach,so there is no time to waste on those who don't finds our presentations appealing! Matthew 10:13
If you have any question and you've noticed that JWs are capable of answering, welcome our brothers and sisters coming to knock your doors. This is not the appropriate place for our ministry!
God bless you!

You've said that before but you keep coming here. If you do not, take your own words seriously, how will you take my words or God's Word seriously?

I've been somehow mentioned several times on this thread but no notifications. Seun, I'm a lazy man, how do I start going through these pages na? MuttleyLaff should be banned oh, the posts too long na.

So TATIME is on this thread sef and he refused to reply me? Na wa oh.

Zoroaster:
Nothing wrong with playing with your dick.. Enjoy yourself

The pleasure of sin is nothing compared to the pain of hell.

There is freedom to do everything except to obey God. Can they preach or pray, no. But we must not infringe on their rights to offend our eyes, minds and life by wearing what they want to.

LordReed:
Again go acquire sense since you are too dull.

Typical. Even if i typed a dot, you'll still come up with something senseless to reply. Take your usual place, last.

LordReed:
Ah the famous projection there it is.

Do you write in tongues, this needs some interpretation.Again the clarion call, make sense.

LordReed:
Stop talking out your arse if you have nothing important to say.

What could be more important to you than self deceit?

LordReed:
You need to acquire sense. Go and read Jonah 1 again if you have forgotten what it says.

Duh, it's the book of Jonah. It has about 4 chapters. The sensible thing for you to do is to conclude the reading instead of forcing your conclusions.

LordReed:
A story to reinforce the idea that divine vengeance is inescapable. If it was the case all vehicles in the air, on land and sea would have crashed or had an accident.

Meanwhile, while men are working to produce safer cars and systems, the divine remains a pie in the sky.

Make sense please. Because the last i remember of the book of Jonah, no one suffered vengeance, whatever that means. Not even the people of Nineveh.

Why not try understanding hundreds of other verses that will help you? Are you a sinner? Do you know Jesus? Those should be more important to you sir.

MuttleyLaff:
We thank God for that.
I could see you are looking through the thread you had an invite to

Yes, i tried to see what drives you so on this your missed call, but I'm yet to see it oh.

MuttleyLaff:
God is calling ordinary people to do extraordinary things. When God calls one to a task, He will qualify one for the work Image123, and the best part of it all Image123, is, God is with me in all this. So make no mistake, because when I talk about consensual adult homosexuality, homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), what I am emphasizing is the truth, and not the garnishes, with its contrasting flavor and twisted lies.

You are right Image123, I have never supported, just like that, homos or homos per se, but I've challenged and gradually being exposing the perpetrated lies and myth about homosexuality or same sex attraction and union(s), that has left many to become unloved, victims, marginalised, ostracised, discriminated against, bullied, beaten up, shunned, abused, maltreated, mistreated, shamed, abandoned, feel unsafe, imprisoned, rejected, have fear for their lives, etcetera.

You are not serious at all, that's all I'll say for now.

Maximus69:
Adam was made flesh that is why we are all flesh.
But the issue leading to all these problems is that Adam and Eve wants to be independent of the spirit who gave them life 'GOD' ! Genesis 3:1-7
They both reason that without taking instructions from anyone they can live happily. That costly blunder led all their progenies to what is recorded in Galatians 5:19-21
Faith means to be obedient to an unseen guardian whose instructions is believed to be beneficial! Hebrew 11:1 So while unbelievers will only obey the person they can see, a believer is constantly seeing God who is invisible with eyes of faith and obeying him! Hebrew 11:6
Therefore it is the FAITH in a believer that makes it possible for him to live in the flesh yet keep the flesh in it's proper position! Romans 7:14-25
That is what Apostle Paul meant.
Regarding going to heaven.
God's original purpose for man is to live on earth and have in subjection all other fleshy creatures without intellect, man is to take charge of earth in the midst of all the fleshy creatures flying in the air, walking in the fields including all those huge sea creatures! Genesis 1: 26
That wonderful plan will never return into God's mouth without fulfilment, it must be just as he purposed it because that is the meaning of his name YHWH! Isaiah 55:11
No wonder he made a promise that all the evil we're experiencing on earth today will soon be things of the past! Psalm 37:10-11
Jesus is the anointed king that will rule the earth and put an end to all badness. Psalms 110:1
Whoever refuse to obey him will be exterminated! Luke 19:27
The seat of his government as in all his corulers suppose to be here on earth in Jerusalem {Mount Zion}! Psalms 110:2, Isaiah 2:3
But Israelites have polluted Jerusalem by shedding innocent blood, killing God's holy prophets and finally his only begotten son Jesus! Matthew 23:37
That is why Jesus promised to take his corulers to another destination HEAVEN where he lives! John 14:1-4
These corulers must learn so much about righteous rule from Jesus before God anoint any of them as corulers with his son! Matthew 19:28
Notice that Jesus mentioned REGENERATION or RECREATION! What he meant is that his corulers will be RECREATED for another kind of life HEAVENLY LIFE! That is why all those who are going to heaven MUST BE BORN AGAIN! John 3:2-3
But that never change Gods plan as those these heavenly rulers will govern are going to live here on earth! Revelations 14:6
Those going there with Jesus are a limited number{Revelations 14:1} that is why Jesus made it clear to them that he had other sheep but not of the HEAVENLY fold, they will all be his subjects as having one king ruling all of them together! John 10:16
So while few will go and rule with Jesus in heaven{Matthew 5:3} millions of sheeplike ones like live in peace and security under that righteous government here on EARTH! Matthew 5:5
I belong to the EARTHLY fold of obedient followers of Jesus,that is why i am NOT going to heaven! Psalms 37:29

This is quite a robotic response, you did not address any one of the questions. Let me ask you, please did you copy this response from somewhere and paste here?

igbodefender:
Nigerians are known as 'big spenders' because a lot of people spend the pension of retirees as if the money is really theirs.

A lot of monies being spent are actually questionable, but the economies where it is spend collect without question.

It's really a culture, a bad one at that. It needs to be unlearned even from childhood. Black men generally are that way, though Nigeria takes the cake as it were. Where the average white man has a mentality of getting the best out of the deal, the cheapest and most quality, the black man is only interested in spending money, thinking the more you spend, the better your quality of life.

So this is the thread where muttleylaff yaf repent. Thank God oh, i know our prayers cannot be in vain. This man cannot be supporting homos here and there as if that is his calling in life. He must repent here ke.
i see Ranch here, it's being a while.

Thanks once again for referring so copiously to the Bible. Though i'd wish once again that you quoted it directly to emphasize what exactly it is saying and it's relevance to what you are saying.

TATIME:
Four questions!
{1} Why do we think we are not of these FEW? It's like you hurriedly read my response without meditation!
Answer~ God's original purpose is for humans to live forever on earth, NOT in heaven! Genesis 2:15-17

Gen 2:15  And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 
Gen 2:16  And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 
Gen 2:17  But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

True that God's original purpose was for man to live forever, the passage says no such thing, alludes to nor suggests no such thing as the finality you have asserted about earth NOT heaven. We both know that the Spirit of God moved on the surface of the earth in the same Genesis.
Gen 1:2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 
There is nothing stating that He passed His boundary or has a boundary. We both also know of the sons of God that appeared before God who is in heaven, and that Adam is a son of God in some sense.
Job 1:6  Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 
Job 1:7  And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
i don't like to say it yet, but it is also clear from the above that satan the devil also has some movement that exceeds earth. So there is really no place in the Bible where it ASSERTS like you do that man MUST NOT pass earth.

{2} What is the criteria for the few?
Answer~ It's the same criteria for all Christians,out which God will choose 144,000! So NO prophet is qualified for heaven apart from Christians who are baptised. And they'll also be baptised with holy spirit! John 3:5

In other words, all baptised christians are qualified for heaven, right? Let me get this clearly.
BTW, here is at least one prophet in Heaven as reported by the Bible plainly without any twists and turns. Maybe he wasn't qualified sha.
2Ki 2:1  And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.

So out of these christians, God will pick or choose some 144,000? Based on what?

{3} Do you know this few?
Answer~ There is no just one way to know them, because they MUST not brag about it nor make any public gesture. So it's just one occasion that's inevitable that exposes them! 1Corinthians 11:27-30
During this occasion they can't hide their identity but without it they will NEVER tell you they're born again!

If there is no way to know the people going to heaven, why do you now think you are not one of them? Does the Bible say that the people going to heaven must not make any public gesture, or why do you feel so?
1Co 11:27  Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 
1Co 11:28  But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 
1Co 11:29  For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 
1Co 11:30  For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

What does this passage you referred to have to do with the discussion?

{4} Jesus' main purpose of coming is to fetch for his corulers[Matthew 15:24] So they're just 144,000{FEW} humans who must become born again[John 3:3 ]
The other sheep comprises of countless faithful humans who had the original prospect of living forever ON EARTH like Abel to Christians{who aren't born again}
Just only the FEW[144,000 including the 12 Apostles] that will rule with Christ and they are the born agains who are GOING TO HEAVEN!

Mat 15:24  But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Why are you referring to this when you just told me that "the Israelites forfeited this privilege". Does the Bible say that they are just 144,000 humans who must become born again or you just feel so? Because the Bible clearly said A MAN, meaning any man.
Joh 3:3  Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 
Joh 3:7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

i think if Jesus said, Marvel not that I said unto thee, 144,000 few humans must be born again. It will be very clear, but i don't think there is any such place in the Bible on how many people must be born again. Even the apostles did not think so, or why did they refuse to say it?
1Pe 1:1  Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

Here is apostle Peter who should know better and have this privileged esoteric information, talking to strangers scattered everywhere. Virtually, we can say he is talking to all of us. Here is part of what he tells us all to do.
"see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

So how do you say this is not for us?

Maximus69:
Yes! I'm not interested in going to heaven because it's not NATURAL! Those going there will no more live in the flesh but in spirit! So how am i going to cope with such a life of none physical things?
Of course God will not include me in such a prospect because i am PHYSICAL and i LOVE physical life!
I love life to be real and appealing NOT what i'm not used to.
Just imagine this!

Who determines what is natural or not? Are miracles natural? Elijah's leaving earth was it natural? Why should you want to "live in flesh" when the Bible says
Rom 8:8  So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 
Gal 5:19  Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 
Gal 5:20  Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 
Gal 5:21  Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. How are you coping with a life of physical things, is it by your power? Do you suppose that the One who gave you power is powerless to do more or has reached His limit?Is God unreal and unappealing? Are angels unreal and unappealing, is Jesus unreal and unappealing? Is Heaven unreal and unappealing?

She should preach but not by force and not against the rules. There is time for everything. Jesus said to be wise as serpents, not become repulsive to others in the name of preaching.

Petty. Get to real work already. House keeping is not governance. The East just like Kogi state have serious dearth of good and visionary leaders. Almost like a curse or jinx.

Optimus212:
Hi Nairalanders....Please Admin, help me push to Front Page, i'm in dire need of people's opinions.

Pls ignore my writing skills because the way the matter be, my head dey shake like this.

My story is brief.

I am married to my wife & we're blessed with 3 kids,
..My wife starves me of sex over minor issues, even when we've settled by my apologies & me assisting remarkably well in house chores.
There was a period 2 years back she starved me of sex for 4 months because of one little misunderstanding we had back then which was unbearable for me & made me to cheat on her,..And my relationship lasted for more than a year with that lady.

Right now she (my wife) has started again with same attitude, its going to a month now. I am confused because I don't want to cheat on her again. What do i do? Should i keep facing such punishment? For how long? Or, should i file for a divorce? Don't you think such attitude will have reoccurrences in time coming?. It is disturbing me badly because I find it difficult to be sleeping alone at nite without her by my side. I have begged & begged her to let whatever anger towards me that is deposited in her to just die off, yet to no avail. The funny thing is, we'll discuss and play very well before going to bed but, whenever I start making advances towards her, she shows up a different attitude.

I am confused!! It is really really disturbing me. How & where did I go wrong?.

Pls, matured advices only, you can insult me too, of course its Nairaland but, I need serious advice, I am very worried.
Thanks.

Don't cheat on your wife, there is no gain there. Talk to her, communication. Or maybe she's afraid of getting pregnant again? Clarify everything with her.

otokx:
Haters will always hate but please do tell who was the President in 2012?

Sure, GEJ is the author of this, but this government has had 4 years to make an impact. Instead, the case at hand has not improved. They've only tried mopping the bleeding as against stopping and healing the bleeding. How on earth do we watch until we're owing over 6 billion dollars fine, shouting fraud without tangible proof in court. And Osinbajo na Prof in law, Fashola na SAN. Were they sleeping?

Osinbajo and Fashola should take the bulk of the blame here as it is their office and they are brilliant lawyers. Of course the head is the head, that's Buhari. But the job function here is the V. P and the minister of power. If Buhari is their hindrance, then they should speak out or resign. You can't eat your cake and have it. You can't enjoy the perks and accolades and be this irresponsible.

Good to have you reply once again. i am glad that you've copiously referred to different parts and passages in the Bible, therefore i want to believe and hope that we will not have problems with me doing likewise. i would WISH though that you'd quote the passages to emphasize their relevance to the discuss. Also, i hope that we avoid needless issues being raised, which will serve more as distractions and booby traps to the subject at hand. We are talking about being born again and going to heaven. There is presently no need distracting us with other issues that will cause contention.

TATIME:
Your two Questions.
(1) Born again
(2) Going to heaven

The two are linked together in just one concept. God never create humans for heavenly life{Psalms 115:16} that is why HE almost said nothing about what could be found in heaven from the beginning,but concentrated on what HE prepared for us as a home our indestructible EARTH!{Genesis 1:1-31}

Psa 115:16  The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
Num_32:7  And wherefore discourage ye the heart of the children of Israel from going over into the land which the LORD hath given them?
1Sa_1:27  For this child I prayed; and the LORD hath given me my petition which I asked of him:
Ezr_1:2  Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.
Mat 28:18  And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.  

From the above scriptures i just quoted, i think we would be overstretching things to conclude that God never create humans for heavenly life, simply because a verse said the earth has being given to men. God giving you something does not mean that is the limit or end or permanence. As Bible readers, we both know that God has given rest to Israel, gave land to Israel but they later lost it, then got some later, more later, lose some, lose all, and on and on. Secondly, i quoted Hannah whom God gave Samuel. Of course, we do not say God never gave her other children. Cyrus was given kingdoms by God, but it was in no way permanent. Again, my point is straightforward, it is a far-stretch to conclude that God limited man by giving him earth.

Satan{a rebellious angel} inflenced Adam and Eve on a decision to RULE themselves {absolute freedom} which wasn't an attribute of any of God's creatures even angels in heaven had relative freedom. John 8:28
God had warn them of the consequences of that because this will eventually bring harm upon them and other creatures. Jeremiah 10:23, Ecclesiastes 4:1, 8:9
That is why DEATH must stop their continuous existence to reduce the damage they will eventually cause. Genesis 2:16-17
Jesus {angel Michael} willingly decided to redeem affected OBEDIENT humans who knew nothing about all of these{Daniel 12:1} God promised to give him enough time to train them to perfection. Psalms 110:1 Revelations 20:1-5

On these we are largely agreed except for few parts that have nothing to do with what we are talking about, but i'll pass.

Jesus decided to take few humans to join him as corulers in the process {Luke 22:30} these chosen ones will all be from the descendants of Jacob{Israel} and rule the earth as His representatives from Jerusalem. But the Israelites forfeited this privilege by killing lots of God's messengers including Jesus Himself, so the invitation to participate in His government was blown open to other races. Matthew 22:1-14
So since Jerusalem is guilty of innocent blood { Matthew 27:25} the seat of government must change {Matthew 23:37} and as no other place on earth is fitting for such holy task, Jesus decided to take His corulers to another place "HEAVEN". John 14:1-4
That is why FEW humans will go and rule with Jesus in "heaven". And since God did not create humans with such a prospect, there is an urgent need for a compulsory rebirth for them to live as spirits{angels} in heaven.Matthew 22:30

i like the bolded part " the invitation blown open to other races. So your understanding is that few humans from different races are going to heaven, fair. But why do you think you are not among this few? What do you think is the criteria for this few? Do you know this few?

So they MUST be BORN AGAIN, that means they need another kind of body not physical, that is why ONLY God HIMSELF {NOT Jesus} will choose them and anoint them with his spirit! Matthew 20:20-23

"to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. And when the ten heard it, they were moved with indignation against the two brethren."
Sitting on the left hand and right hand of Jesus are two physical positions as the two disciples, their mother and the Ten remaining disciples clearly saw it. Except you are assuming only two humans are going to heaven, there is no need to bring up this scripture here. Jesus said to Nicodemus, "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again".
There is nothing in that passage suggesting that He was referring to a few people's needs. He called it a MUST. 

The rest of faithful mankind will live forever according to the original plan here on earth! Psalms 37:9-11,29 Matthew 5:5 Revelations 14:6
So only a limited number will go and rule with Jesus in heaven. Revelation 14:1
We are NOT part of that fold{John 10:16} that is why we are Neither born again nor have heavenly hope!

Again, to get or inherit or be given something does not exclude having other things. If for instance, you inherit your predecessor or whoever's car, that does not mean that is all you are forever limited to. Inheriting the earth is not a limitation but a promise. Man inheriting the earth which he was given but later lost is a promise. But there remains more promises in the Bible of things God wants to give His children.
Joh 10:16  And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

If the other sheep here is who is going to heaven, having heavenly hope, and Jesus said the 12 disciples are not part of this fold, then you say JWs are not part of the fold. So who are these people?

TATIME:
Your two Questions.
(1) Born again
(2) Going to heaven

The two are linked together in just one concept. God never create humans for heavenly life{Psalms 115:16} that is why HE almost said nothing about what could be found in heaven from the beginning,but concentrated on what HE prepared for us as a home our indestructible EARTH!{Genesis 1:1-31}
Satan{a rebellious angel} inflenced Adam and Eve on a decision to RULE themselves {absolute freedom} which wasn't an attribute of any of God's creatures even angels in heaven had relative freedom. John 8:28
God had warn them of the consequences of that because this will eventually bring harm upon them and other creatures. Jeremiah 10:23, Ecclesiastes 4:1, 8:9
That is why DEATH must stop their continuous existence to reduce the damage they will eventually cause. Genesis 2:16-17
Jesus {angel Michael} willingly decided to redeem affected OBEDIENT humans who knew nothing about all of these{Daniel 12:1} God promised to give him enough time to train them to perfection. Psalms 110:1 Revelations 20:1-5
Jesus decided to take few humans to join him as corulers in the process {Luke 22:30} these chosen ones will all be from the descendants of Jacob{Israel} and rule the earth as His representatives from Jerusalem. But the Israelites forfeited this privilege by killing lots of God's messengers including Jesus Himself, so the invitation to participate in His government was blown open to other races. Matthew 22:1-14
So since Jerusalem is guilty of innocent blood { Matthew 27:25} the seat of government must change {Matthew 23:37} and as no other place on earth is fitting for such holy task, Jesus decided to take His corulers to another place "HEAVEN". John 14:1-4
That is why FEW humans will go and rule with Jesus in "heaven". And since God did not create humans with such a prospect, there is an urgent need for a compulsory rebirth for them to live as spirits{angels} in heaven.Matthew 22:30
So they MUST be BORN AGAIN, that means they need another kind of body not physical, that is why ONLY God HIMSELF {NOT Jesus} will choose them and anoint them with his spirit! Matthew 20:20-23
The rest of faithful mankind will live forever according to the original plan here on earth! Psalms 37:9-11,29 Matthew 5:5 Revelations 14:6
So only a limited number will go and rule with Jesus in heaven. Revelation 14:1
We are NOT part of that fold{John 10:16} that is why we are Neither born again nor have heavenly hope!

You've answered well at last, good. Thank you. Hmmmm, i see, let me be polite. I'll comment later in the day. Thank you again.

TATIME:
Your post says WHAT'S OUR BUSINESS?
Meaning you're NOT asking for yourself but for some group of persons, so i'll implore you to LEAVE THEM BEHIND if you're truthfully willing to learn!

Okay, nairaland readers, you are hereby left behind, i want to learn. I hope you don't link me with anybody later on though, I'll try reminding you.

TATIME:
@ Jozzy4!
See the way and manner of the one who thinks we feel obliged to answer his questions! if he could use the collective adverb "WHAT'S OUR BUSINESS" is that not a sign he has taken a stand with some people?
Had it been he spoke for himself alone, i will know he wants to know the difference but as long as he is part of them then he should HUMBLY meet my brothers and sisters in PRIVATE away from "THEM" to know! John 3:1-2

It's a public forum, people are reading so don't be deceived to think otherwise. It was pointless for you to tell us that maximus (or what is his name) is a new convert. You could make your point without saying that, except he didn't represent you well? Of course you're not obliged to answer my questions, i myself don't go round answering every question. But you either discuss or not, you either keep quiet and observe like the majority or you don't. Don't come telling me that is how Jesus did it, only to later give excuses of visibility. It's not our(any reader's) business to know the spiritual age of any person. What is relevant are reasonable answers if you have them.