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4kings:
Uhm, but in this case the omniscient being created what he knew would happen, ie he knew man would disapoint him and give him sorrow but still created him.
Your illustration clearly shows that you didn't av prior knowledge or control of what LED TO the person's dying state, unlike the omniscient being.

My illustration showed prior knowledge, i said " You can know someone will die" from maybe a terminal illness. Omniscience is not emotion.

wirinet:
So you want to tell me you do not know that stars are born, burn their fuel and eventually die?
As I always say, you guys need to put your bibles and Korans once a while and get some proper education.

Of course i know, it's a miracle you didn't read me say i know. You want to tell me that you don't know that there's hell and you will go there without repenting?

4kings:
It has everything to do with omniscience since an omniscient being is supposed to know everything.
Or are u saying He is not omniscient or chose not to know?

His post assumes that God's "shock" means that God didn't know. Knowledge is different from Emotion. You can know someone will die or is dead, you can still feel great sorrow when it actually happens.

realmindz:
God is all perfect and all knowing, but he regretted creating man...meaning if he had known that man will become evil, he won't ve made such mistake of creating man....


so he never knew? oops he made a mistake..

Even the gods aren't perfect...

Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. To repent or regret in this context is simply to feel sorry. It has nothing to do with omniscience. You usually ask useless questions BTW.

davien:
It's not a fact that people go to hell... facts are demonstrable, stars have been known to follow the fact of nuclear fusion and thus are liable to die when no fuel source can be used in fusion or the creation of a nuclei of iron too heavy for the star to remain in balance.

Is going to hell even remotely that precise or demonstrable? or is it the same wishy washy I feel it so it must be true ideology?

A fact is something known to be true or actual, not necessarily demonstrable. Kindly demonstrate a star dying, have you ever seen one die? Many people know going to hell to be true. Some people even claim to have been there, hehehehe.

MizJanet:
If u haven't seen, u must have heard that people died , how many times have u seen or heard that a mans two feet disappeared immediately he died as predicted at Mark 9:45 u quote ?

or is Jesus lying ?

Mar 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Nothing in the above Bible quote about a man's feet disappearing immediately he died/dies. What is your proficiency in the English language please? Average, below average, or manageable?

but u quote This verse to show those who will be in the lake of fire , is beast not written there ? seems u have no clue .

i wish with you.

"Who will grant me this, that thou mayest protect me in hell " Job 14:13. Haha haha Job is a sinner ?

Thought of educating you properly but what's my own with JW sympathizers. The word hell or sheol or grave or hades or quberah are synonymous.

Churchman, Can u show me where your bible claim Abraham's bossom is a "place" ?


*** it's funny how u guys reason, the last time I check u get this word from one story in your bible called Richman and Lazarus isnt it ?

u shout around and scream that Richman and Lazarus story from where u get this phrase is to be taken literally as it is . but yet u don't want to take Abraham's bossom literally to mean the chest position of the man Abraham cos it will lead to many absurdities , is that not funny ? , u will rather say it signified a place . that renders all other things in that story as symbols of one thing or another . u just betray your own logic

Are you really saying that Abraham's bosom is not a place? Is there any of Jesus' parables that are impossible? mention them if any, thank you.

davien:
The difference is that belief is based on evidence... it's a fact that stars die.

It's a fact that sinners will go to hell too. Where is your fact that stars die?

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My Health status.
I confided in the officers of the commission about my health situation for them to understand why where and how I sleep was important to my overall well being. Without clearance or authorisation by me this information was revealed to the media. I woke up to hear it on radio broadcast nationwide and was published in many newspapers. This is a sad development and a definite breach of the confidence I reposed on the commission as an institution of government. I was born with sinus bradycadia, a non disease based slowness of the heart. It precluded me from vigorous exercise from childhood but I have by
God's Grace been able to live a normal and active life. With age the slowness grew worse and life threatening. I sought medical help and wen through a procedure at the Arrhythmia cardiac Research center in Atlanta, where this defect was corrected. Its just a year ago and I am still under satellite monitor from the USA. This is what I revealed to the efcc and they made it a public issue.
I have been in public service in more than 20years, because of my pedigree, I have by deliberate policy avoided anything that will bring shame to me, my name and family.
In spite of my high level involvement in politics and government, I have never done directly or indirectly any federal government contracts. In the whole of this world I have only two house. One in Lagos and another in my home town. I have no house elsewhere including Abuja. It us a pity that the situation in the country is so bad that everybody believes that there are no men with honour in politics or government. It is not true. I have submitted all my personal and company accounts to efcc. I have nothing to hide.
I am proud of who I am and how far the Lord has taken me. My present travails and trial will become a good testimony for me and my family in Jesus Name.

Then comes the pity me emotional stories. South Africa's Oscar Pistorious was sentenced for murder despite his disability. People should not hide behind sickness and God, they should be allowed to do the time if they did the crime. Okupe of all people is looking for clearance or authorisation. Did he get clearance or authorisation when he vigorously campaigned against Buhari and smeared his very life? If your sickness did not stop you from collecting and spending illegal money from ONSA to the detriment of millions of lives in the North East, your sickness should not prevent you from arrest and trial. All this talk about being in service for 20years and having 2 houses is for what? How many houses does Bill Gates have? You have no house in Abuja but you spent 10million naira to furnish your rented apartment so what is your point again? Men of honour do not live beyond their means. Men of honour do not pay presenters 600,000naira monthly. To say what? Men of honour do not employ 24staff to do nothing important, and then milk the nation to pay them salaries. Men of honour do not call people vicious names or lay curses. Men of honour are not hypocrites dividing the country along religious and tribal lines like you did/do. Men of honour do not call the name of the Lord in vain.

3. The second N50m was approved again by Mr President when I reported to him that the monthly allowance has been cut from N10m to N5m and that I was no longer in position to keep running 1hr NTA network program called INSIGHT which was aired 9-10am every Friday. We paid NTA about N1.2m monthly for airtime. Two presenters were paid N600m monthly. We paid for tapes and Editting per program. Besides we also pay honorarium for guests either directly or inform of hotel bills for those outside Abuja, or transportation. This cost averagely N500,000 weekly or about N 2m monthly. All in all we spend about N4m monthly on the program. Mr President promised to help with the expenses. About a few months later when we had incurred some debts the NSA sent me this N50m which was to cover the cost of the program for 12 months(12×N4m=N48m)

News paper Trial
I saw strange figures like N 162m fraud, 85m fraud etc. Also mention was made of dubious payments of N13m, N65m from contracts supposedly obtained from chachanga LGA in Niger state.

The Fact.
My company Romix soilfix was one of the over 20 construction companies who were duly awarded contracts for rural roads some 5yrs ago by the Niger state govt. Due to lack of funds contractors were paid irregularly making the job to drag. The job is still on going. The relationship of this to my service as snr special assistant to President is still not clear.

This cowardly fellow simply systematically threw the former President under the bus yet again. The question is why did you receive 50million(or is it over 110million) from ONSA? Your answer in summary is ask the President, he approved it. Yet, that one is busy giving speeches in Europe about democracy and what not. And he will say he does not want to comment, or rather he does not want to implicate himself. All his boys are saying he did it, he did it. He is saying no comments.
You ran a 1hr NTA network program called INSIGHT in the which you paid NTA about N1.2m monthly for airtime. Two presenters were equally paid N600,000 monthly. How insightful. What useful insight can any presenter give after being paid 600,000naira monthly? Where is any journalist/presenter paid 600,000 naira monthly? Even CNN, Skynews, AlJazeera, BBC chief correspondents, i don't think they get paid that much for a 4hour show monthly. This is a gross rape of money and of conscience. You allegedly came with a complaint to the President that they have cut your 'illegal' money from 10million to 5million. What does the President do? He approves 50million naira. Who does that? When will this madness stop? Why won't the economy crash when a special assistant spends 500,000naira WEEKLY for other's hotel bills and honorarium to come and talk about GEJ on INSIGHT? How much do those guys invited to Channelstv and other stations get? Someone who will spend 500,000naira for people, how much will he spend weekly for himself, children and family?

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2. The N10m I received from the ONSA monthly was to run my office, pay salaries of staffs, including overheads, pay expenses for our numerous press conferences, pay for publications in newspapers, magazines, local and foreign, television programs, bulletins, and media consultants who assist and facilitate our work. I had about 23 staff, 11 were graduates out of which 5 were masters degrees holders. Details were submitted to efcc.

You received 10million naira monthly from the Office of the National SECURITY Adviser. For how many months/years sir? What other ministries, departments, or agencies did you receive monies from? Soldiers were complaining seriously about not been funded, not having weapons, uniforms, no morale etc but you were busy receiving 10million monthly from their boss? And your conscience as a self acclaimed theist did not feel anything, or question the rationale or appropriateness? When did the ONSA start to run the office of the special assistant? How can this abuse be stopped in future? Are therre no policies, job descriptions, methodologies, or processes in place? Is there no ORGANISATION in the FG? Dasuki pays for the numerous press conferences of Okupe's office? Who paid for Abati's and Reno Omokri's and other spokespersons and assistants? Were these press conferences for the PDP or for Nigeria? Because the numerous conferences Okupe made were about Buhari and about him being a bastard and other such nonsense. Why does Okupe an assistant, have 23 staff? How many staff will a minister or ambassador then have? What stops the current President's assistants from having 30staff too? Are these the job creation schemes or what? No wonder there were so many job losses last year. 10 assistants can easily have 400 staff, and submit to Jonathan. Then he will approve for Dasuki to pay 10million monthly because there are 5 Masters holders and 11 graduates. Whose fault is that for God's sake? What productive work did this people do for the FG? Are they still in government payroll? Were they supposed to be under government payroll or under Okupe's payroll? Is this still happening in government, and how can it be efficiently stopped?

In my interactions with efcc I have been asked to explain 3 things only so far.
1. Why I received N50m from the Fmr NSA, at the onset of my appointment, and what I used it for.
2. Why I was being paid N10m monthly by the ONSA.
3. Why I received another N50m from the NSA in October 2014.
These are the ONLY subject of interrogation with the commission so far.

Note that Okupe DID receive monies from the National Security Adviser(Dasuki) and from the Office of the National Security Adviser(ONSA). It is unfortunate that people skip this fact and call it propaganda or witch-hunt. Instead of asking for justice, they keep diverting and asking for people who did not receive money from ONSA to be invited.

My explanations.
1. The initial N50m was approved by the President to be paid to me from His Security vote. N10m was to furnish my rented living apartment and another N10m for my office.
The balance N30m was approved as take off grant.

Sorry, this explains nothing. How much is the President's security vote by the way. They keep saying that their salaries are around 1million or so, i remember when the senators were defending their wardrobe allowances and explaing that the money is for four years, they are suffering and living in boy's quarter etc. This security vote that the President can give one person 50million naira out of it, and we all know how 'generous' the past President was. How much is it? When does the government get transparent on this? If 10million naira furnishes a rented living apartment, how much is the rent? What about all those monies in yearly budgets allocated for furniture, computer etc. This other 10million for Okupe's office, what is it for? What is the meaning of N10m for my office?
The balance N30m for take off grant. Please house, help my understanding i beg you. What is a take off grant? Is he a plane? Is it money to take off in danger? What exactly took off with 30million naira?

Following the "Twitter fight" between Doyin Okupe And A Blogger, Abubakar Sidiq Usman. Mr Doyin went [url=https://mobile.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1739242896335535&id=1425109977748830&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.1739242896335535%3Atl_objid.1739242896335535%3Athid.1425109977748830%3A306061129499414%3A2%3A0%3A1470034799%3A527077398209680935]on facebook[/url] to allegedly state the facts. His facts are equally damning and unbecoming of what governance should be, or be allowed to be. It is unfortunate that we have many leaders and assistant to leaders who are uncouth, outright rude, used to impunity, and simply do not give a damn. Yet, this folks are very quick to call on God. That further irks me, because even people who do not carry God on their head are more courteous, temperate, civil and long suffering. It is very rare if not impossible to see politicians in developed countries use curse words, or lambast others without caution. Imagine a so called God believer(theist) calling someone unprintable names like lunatic, referring to a persons unknown progenitors as criminals,laying curses like you will not end well, God will disgrace you and your household, minion, wretched, hopeless, bozo etc. This is very unbecoming of anyone of his status. A former SENIOR special assistant to the President on public affairs, media and publicity. Apparently, it is an irony, or he simply is unqualified.
To the main issue though, comments on his facts.

MizJanet:
Good, but is Jesus lying here ... how many dead people have u seen whose two feet disappeared into hell as stated in Mark 9:45 ?

i've never seen dead people, have you?

okay, am sure this is a real beast, what's the sin of this animal to deserve torture ?

Ask intelligent and relevant questions, there are other people with questions on the thread.
2Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do engender strifes.

you didn't define hell, again : what is hell itself ?

and are u saying the bible contradicts itself , cos I see u found The bible Jesus and Solomon attacking each other right ? does this mean the Bible contradicts ?

i already did, HELL IS THE DESTINATION OF SINNERS.

i did not say they contradict, read again. This time carefully.

a simple logic will scatter this analogy

if some are asleep in the bossom of the man called Abraham, in whose blossom was Abel when he died since Abraham was not yet born then ?

It's just a name of a place, names change. The place called Lagos today existed before the name Lagos was given to it. Is this how you guys waste time and call it freethinking?

agitator:
Zombie read from the mouth of your gods.

https://www.nairaland.com/3227943/dont-money-release-capital-projects/1#47566709

What is funny. Being on the internet is not an opportunity to be rude or insulting, did your parents train you at all? If you have nothing of value to say, it is better to keep quiet.

dalaman:
Not true. To be a christian you must first of all understand the message of Christ since you want to be like Christ. Without understanding his message you can't be like him. You are lying when you claim knowledge of his true message doesn't matter. It actually is everything.

Toh, an atheist is telling me the way/path to salvation. What would we not see on NL. i'm quoting Bible, what are you quoting? How much understanding did the thief on the cross or the Ethiopian eunuch have to be saved? You think they grasped the trinity perfectly or knew the dimensions of hell and the log book first?

MizJanet:
bullshit , what does that mean ?

Pick up your dictionary or ask a friend, i'm not your daddy.

dalaman:
Christains have/ hold different beliefs about Jesus. Some for example some believe he is God himself, while others believe he is the son of God and different from God. How they interpret his message of salvation also differs alot.

Their doctrines and understanding are not the path to salvation. The path to salvation is very clear from John 3:16
Its like you asking three humans why they have saliva in their mouth. Their producing three different answers doesn't show or prove that they don't have it,or they aren't humans. Some simply don't understand. Understanding doctrine is not a criteria to be born again.

MizJanet:


abeg, you are discussing with an agnostic okay.

c'mon answer me, I believe it betrays intelligence to think everyone that has a different opinion to you must be JW or Mormon . that's stack stupidity!

An hater of God and a JW sympathizer, what a combo. learn to read slowly, i didn't say you were JW or Mormon like you implied. i said you were a JW sympathizer.

MizJanet:
The portion u quote above Rev 20:14 didn't say hell is not hellfire, unless u are redefining hellfire to mean Lake of fire , if so kindly tell me WHAT IS HELL itself ?

Hell fire is the lake of fire, this is plain logic, like saying human beings are people. They are synonyms. This is clear from the fact that hell fire and the lake of fire are the destination of the devil. Simply consider context, the fire that never shall be quenched, everlasting fire, hell fire, lake of fire.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mar 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever

i already defined hell, i don't want to get into all these fruitless sheol and hades talk. The word "hell" is itself a word with many broad meanings. The specific context we are talking about is where the wicked is said to go, where they have some torment before the real deal(lake of fire) as it were. When the Bible says the wicked will be turned into hell, it is definitely not referring to the tomb as that will be needless talk. Everybody goes there essentially, especially those buried. But the place where the rich man lift up his eyes and spoke with Abraham is where i refer to as the destination of sinners. That is where sinners are presently.
Now, if Solomon or any other mon says that 1+1=2 and Jesus says that 1+1=1. i will take Jesus' words anytime anyday, a million times. All these baseless ignoring of Jesus'words to try and bring up some apparent contradiction no work for me. If i am to listen to someone about programming, i would listen to the founder of google, not Charles Babbage, even though i respect him. Now, that is not even the case here, it is simply a case of context and understanding. But be that as it may, let's skip the rubbish, i take Jesus words as superior and final. If you don't like it, you can take pure water.

Haha haha hahaha failure , he asked how did you come up with the fact that people are in hell presently , but u are quoting a verse many of u guys claim is not yet fulfilled presently . okay , has the sea delivered the dead in it ? blackislife can u imagine !


2. Hell delivered the dead in it , and the sea does too ... DOES this mean those in the sea are not in hell ? Answer!!!!

What is future there is the transfer. Presently and Jesus corroborates the claim that people are presently in hell. Further scriptures show same but it is a precious waste throwing it to you so i won't even elucidate or give more. Just for other readers'benefit.
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Psalm 16:10 u quote , hahahaha pls what exactly is this hell you are talking about cos according to your bible JESUS was there , is he unrighteous ? According to image123, hell is for the unrighteous! Is Jesus unrighteous ?

Yes, He was there. But obviously, He wasn't left there.

U mean Jesus is an unrighteous man, u know according to the bible he was in hell ?

See above. He's not there.

U made this up. The portion u quote said spirit return to God. Simple all spirit , it doesn't differentiate . wise up

The Bible is to be read and understood together, not in isolation. You are to read it cumulatively to improve your understanding.
Other scriptures show that unrighteous people have no place in Heaven. Other scriptures also show that the unrighteous go someplace else. Someone quoted the below BTW.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Their sleep in no way implies, suggests or states that they do not have anything going on. They are not "dead" in the sense but asleep. Some are asleep in Abraham's bosm, with Jesus like Paul calls it, or where Jesus called paradise. Some are asleep in the place of torment called hell for quicker understanding.

BlackIsLife:
Sonofthunder are you blind? or is it that you have comprehension deficiency? - he gallantly said "people are in hell, not hell fire though" which made me to ask where in the bible he read it from. do not quote me again if you have got no reasonable point to offer - the boy didn't deny he said it, so what's your P

You are actually the one running aimlessly and showing a lack of comprehension of simple english sentences. i already showed that hell is not hell fire. Hell will be cast into hell fire, which is the lake of fire. This is simple, basic reasoning, basic logic.
1. Satan and his cohorts final destination is hell fire, according to Jesus.
2. Satan and his cohorts are finally put into the lake of fire, according to Revelation.
3. Hell is distinguished from the lake of fire, as it(hell) is thrown into the lake of fire.
4. Hell fire is the lake of fire.

If you refuse to understand this simple and plain thing, no problem. It is not my job to make sure you understand. Move.

MizJanet:
@ Image123


waiting for your answers. don't be scared, the question is directly from your holybook

Lol, that's a ridiculous thing to say. Scared of what or whom? i'm just never interested in time wasting, especially with people like JW sympathizers who are the definition of INDOCTRINATED. For others, it's easier to handle/deal with. Many times, one may not even need a Bible verse, or one or two will do and they get it. But for those other folks, they are basically trained to argue aimlessly, USING SCRIPTURES for that matter. So, one's work is sort of cut out in the sense that you have to equally bring up scriptures and more scriptureS. Most cases, they ignore your scripture passages like they are of inferior quality to what they have crammed. After much effort, if they ever give in, they usually do by ignoring/avoiding you, not by accepting. Why? Because they are so entrenched in their stuff, it is almost impossible for them to leave or change. They have a closely knit network, and usually do not want to "betray" or let down their parents and children, grandparents and others that they usually go out everyday sharing books about paradise. So, on an average, it is usually a waste of time and investment. However, in this case, i would take my time and leisure, and still answer when i am available. No worry

dalaman:
Who mentioned building here. All the various opposing sects I see around Nigeria today and the world as a whole all claim they believe in Jesus and have recieved eternal life. So which one body is the correct body or denomination? Cam you give us a specific example?

You implied building or something physical and easy to see like a denomination. Salvation is a different matter from claims, claims do not make or guarantee salvation. Salvation is personal. Whosoever believes in Jesus will not perish. It is not whosoever believes he/she has the best or correct teaching.

agitator:
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crap.

have been involved in a multi-million dollar project before? Do you think those equipment are like your i better pass my neighbour, or 5KVA generators sold in shops?

Please take my free advice and stop disgracing yourself in a public forum. We know it is anonymous, but help yourself

You are not blind, i am sure. The link you quoted stated that the project was supposed to be due by the end of 2014. The government even tasked them to complete it by then. Nothing was done. Think before you talk please.

agitator:
Please, enlighten me the power plant or gas plant they bombed? As at today all gas powered generating plants in the south-south are working.

This most sophisticated and most educated Nigerians will always give a false impression that the APC is working. While anybody who knows his onions about projects know that no project had been started by this admin.

Equipment/machinery used in projects of this magnitude are not bought off the shelf.

Purchase Orders a placed before the equipment are manufactured (manufacturing takes time as the manufacturers have to source for the materials and other small equipment, testing done, before shipping and eventual installation. I have left out the engineering stage, which takes months, purchasing(including logistics) which also takes months, and then construction/installation.

Zombies always ready to deceive gullible Nigerians.



http://www.statehouse.gov.ng/index.php/government/97-power-oil-and-gas/349-kaduna-215mw-thermal-power-plant-fg-directs-consortium-to-comply-with-the-completion-time

Didn't you read from the link you posted that this project was supposed to be ready by the end of 2014? It's like the billions paid for maritime university with nothing achieved. Ameachi stopped further pumping of money there and people started gnashing teeth. If he had budgeted billions and gone to commission in December, folks like you will hail GEJ administration instead. Get yourself together, this is the PMB administration.

a JW sympathizer? Oh Lord, what are my sins?lol

dalaman:
Give me the name or example of that church in Nigeria for example because every where I turn to all I see are various denominations. I am yet to see this elusive church you are talking about.

It is not a building in the sense, it is people. Denominations or structures are not saved. Individuals are saved. Whosoever believeth in Him will not perish but have everlasting life. Those that believe and receive the gift of eternal life are the church.

cloudgoddess:
Is that all you got from those words? Let me try and break it down for you a bit more.

There isn't just "one reason" for my, or any person's existence. Everyone who is alive now is alive because of an infinite number of events including the birth of their earliest ancestors, dating all the way back to the common non-human ancestors we all share, and the chemical & physical processes that led to their emergence (including the formation of the milky way galaxy and our sun), not to mention all the events that have kept them alive thus far. Tagging a single target as the reason for one's existence would be viewing things from a very myopic & incomplete scope.

No, that was not all i got, that was why i later said "Your parents are responsible for your birth or abortion. It had nothing to do with your other ancestors." Your parents and God are the primary reasons for your existence hence the need to thank them primarily instead of losing focus like you are attempting to. Your drab reasons can be an excuse to never be thankful for anything at all. If you do not understand that(i know you would), simply give me an example of something to say thank you for, and watch me throw in your line of reasoning why one should not be thankful.

See the above. Also what's with the useless insults? Was I insulting you in my original responses to you? If not then where's this coming from? Do you have an inferiority complex or something?

You do know that i do not have an inferiority complex, the question is needless. Sorry you felt insulted as that was not my motive. i said that "you don't think" because you said that you don't think. You did say so. But looking back and putting myself in your shoes, i see you'd feel insulted because unbelievers pride themselves in thinking and being freethinkers as it were. For me as a believer, it's almost usual to be told that i don't think, and come to think of it i do base my life on the Word, not on thinkability. So, accept my sincere apologies again.

Nope, not faith. Evidence & education.

And I'll just ignore the additional pettiness & deflection attempt.

Education? What do you mean by education, degrees? Because people with degrees also believe what i believe. If you mean you were taught, of course everyone is taught. Teaching takes place everywhere. i did not receive my beliefs in a vision either, i was educated. And i believed what i was taught, just like you believed what you were educated on.
Evidence, what evidence do you have? Some bones in the laboratory?

Or maybe he has a different way of thinking of the situation. On a time scale of 14 billion years (the age of the universe), one could say an ant's life (.0000000000357% of that) and a human's life (.00000000643%) are nearly indistinguishable at least as far as length goes.

But i see your fellows complaining all the time about christians having a different way of thinking, and about different denominations. Aren't you guys supposed to have the same way of thinking or what was the fuss about? It's very convenient for you to fix a time scale of 14 billion years to justify HardMirror's view that a ant's life and human life are of the same relevance. Yet, you scream if i fix God's timescale of eternity to justify punishment of sinners. In your timescale, are ant's life and human life of the same relevance?

Because god is supposed to be omnipotent and an omnipotent god shouldn't exhibit biased human thinking. Unless he was invented by humans.

You based your premise on "our enhanced ability to imagine and empathize with the suffering of other members of our species outside of our kin, & even members of other species, might see all life as equally valuable if we choose". Now you are forming weak and biased.

It was merely a "food for thought" side note, which is what the star was supposed to indicate. Stop jumping to conclusions, it isn't making you look any smarter if that is your goal.

Food for thought? What kind of thought exactly?You said "Its impossible to pin down any particular group of atoms and accurately call it "me" my entire life." What sort of thought is this meant to foster? Kindly elucidate, it makes no sense when put to test apparently. Whatever symbol you feel like putting in front or back or middle, whether star or moon or sun or asterisk, your statement falls meaningless/absurd in the face of reality.

BlackIsLife:
Talking with you is like talking with a kid - the fact remains though, you've no answers.

What were my assertions? i knew you will dodge.

Ranchhoddas:
Okay oo. Pray very well. Don't forget to add prayer for money. That one dey more urgent.

Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
The Lord will provide, He does it all the time.

dalaman:
Which church exactly is marching on? Is it the Catholic Church or the seven day adventist church? Is it Jehova's witness that is marching on or the Anglican church? Is it the baptist church that is marching on or the Greek othordox church? You clearly do not know what you are talking about.

You clearly do not know what you are talking about, because if you did, you will know that the church is the Body of Christ. The church is not a particular group or denomination, the church is not a particular set of doctrines or beliefs. The church is the Body of believers universally and individually saved by grace through faith in Jesus the Christ.

Ranchhoddas:
Whatever you say boss. You are the authority on these things.

lol, Jesus is oh.My prayers for you remain the same. That you are saved.