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forray:
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First of all, how wld u call trying to make the Bible clearer for a human being a waste of time no matter the circumstances? What ever sympathizer u assume that person to be, a true Christian wld never Call making anybody understanding the Bible no matter their faith a waste of time,instead they see it as a challenge. U have repeated that statement over and over again and it starting to sound as if u are making a mockery of that person which is very poor of u as a Christian. KingEbukanaija I believe u see that but choose to ignore it, that tells much about your personality.

2Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do engender strifes.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Ecc 10:10 If the iron be blunt, and he do not whet the edge, then must he put to more strength: but wisdom is profitable to direct.

Another funny thing, u keep asking if somebody is a Christian cos it will make explaining easier. What exactly do u mean by that? How about if not a Christian and u are trying to win me over, but I had questions, won't u take ur time to make me see reason with u,cos u don't expect to accept everything u said to like a dummy or you will just give up on such person cos he is not a Christian so making such person understand u is a waste?

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Sinners and unbelievers really have no business asking questions about doctrine etc. They need salvation, they need to ask about their salvation.

I have some questions for you and the creator of this thread kingEbukanaija

Why are we still suffering for the sins and disobedience of Adam and Eve even as Jesus Christ has die for our sin? And I believe is death washed away our sins.

Because we are on earth. The plan in the Bible is that when Jesus comes again and the new earth and new heaven is made, there will be no more pain. The Bible does not promise otherwise.
Joh 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Have seen instances in the Bible where the sins of fathers are visited on the children. How is that fair? How can an unborn child be paying for a sin he knows nothing about, Pls what kind of judgment is that?

Not only in the Bible but it is reality. People may hate you because of what your father or mother or even brother did. If your father is poor and jobless, it will affect you, your education, your feeding, your opportunities and perhaps your destiny. That's life. This is different from eternity however. God will not judge you eternally based on what others did but on what you did. Reason however shows that others actions may hamper your decisions. Like if your father is Shekau of boko haram, you are not likely to hear the gospel or believe it, in fact evangelist might not come near you or invite you to church. This can culminate in a sorrowful eternity.

Why wld God allow Job in the Bible go thru such suffering? What exactly did he do to deserve God allowing the Satan to rain such punishment on him?
Finally we all no God is the all powerful, all knowing and nothing happens without his permission and he has the final say. So why wld he allow evil things to keep happening?

Because He wanted to promote him. To be promoted or to get a certification, you go through a test. Nobody just loves you and dash you certificate.
Jam 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

PS: am a Christian just finding it hard to some story and judgment in the Bible that defiles normal ideology.

Good for you.

anonimi:
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Ask the people of Gbaramatu about how they are enjoying GEJ project. What is not complete is simply not complete, give credit when due.

[quote author=anonimi post=47912797][/quote]That's simply like an uncompleted house/building, it's pretty useless. Ask the people of Gbaramatu about how they are enjoying GEJ project. What is not complete is simply not complete, give credit when due.

richidinho:
Godbless GEJ for giving Buhari something to commission after a year in office

Lagos -Ibadan expressway is next
Another GEJ project

So why is gbaramatu university not commissioned or completed, is it not GEJ project? Get over it, life is short.

confusion all over, eyah. Life must be hard on the ungodly side.

This is New Age na, this is not atheism. Is the OP confused, should this question even be asked?

dankol:
[b]CHAPTER FOURTEEN CONTINUED
HOW LOVE DIED
Two years later when I came home, I confided in someone about my relationship. She was really happy about it and guess what next she said “Have you both gone to the Pastor?” I told her, no and there is no need for that afterall we are not ready for marriage yet. She insisted We Inform our pastors if indeed we have nothing immodest going on. I discussed it with her but the challenge was that, her dad was her local church pastor unlike mine but since she has a good rapport with him, she agreed to tell him.
At first, the dad was silent about the issue but the mum was like, no way, “he is from a polygamous family, the tendency of marrying more than one wife is in the blood” My question to that is, Has Jesus not cleansed me from my past?

Moreso, somewhere in Ezekiel, where God told Ezekiel, that a proverb will no longer be used in Israel “Our fathers have eaten sour grapes and the children’s teeth are set on the edge”, so why should I suffer for my father’s sin as a Christian. If my great grandfather was a thief, does that make me a thief- Mind you, I can’t fathom having a polygamous family-it’s a no no for me but I do not condemn anyone into it.

The mum told her to immediately call the relationship off. The dad was in support of the decision but was just discreete about it. She was under severe pressure. Like play like play, she no longer pick my calls, reply my messages. One day, I was frustrated, I sent her a message that, it’s important we talk now or never. She flashed me, and I called her. I asked her, is she giving up on us, she could not answer and I told her, well, silence means yes in certain situations, and I assume you are saying yes. That was how, it ended. Now, she never wanted it to end but was under pressure to end it. I could feel it but then, I have to move on with my life. Such is life![/b]

Exactly, such is life. You win some, you lose some. This has nothing to do with faith or religion. Everyone cannot agree with you, simple.

HardMirror:
I know that's what you'l do
But many people commit suicide for many reasons.

Had a close friend in Futa who committed suicide, just because he felt life was vanity.

Happened 2011, an electrical electronics under graduate who was one of the best in his class. He did it with joy and fulfillment.

We are not all wired the same mentally.

Liar boy, with joy and fulfillment indeed. From debauchery, fornications, to lying without batting an eyelid, this conversion to atheism is not a very good thing like you hype. When are you going to murder someone?

Oh, the state where primary school and secondary school goes on strike? They'll reap the negligence in decades, just like the North and South south.

HardMirror said it recently that he considered the life of a human being and the life of an ant of the same relevance. Even cloudgoddess the evolutionist defended the statement. The devil has certainly not repented.

So who's lying?

JackBizzle:
logicbadboy.

Oh, longtime. i thought you had repented or was in a monastery for penance or something.

alaskido:
Madam Tinubu Jagabandit, you are the one who first called Dino a Dog and Thug so Dino should be the one to forgive you and not the other way round. Just because your husband is the APC national chairman does not mean you should insult men. If a woman had insulted your husband, I believe you would be fighting that woman by now.

Please give peace a chance and respect Men because your husband is one.

Actually, the rumors are that Dino was the person who first started threatening anybody who dares to testify in court. Tinubu should be hailed for correcting him. It is thuggish to threaten people about testifying in court. She did not threaten him, he threatened her. Also, Bola Tinubu is not the APC national chairman, get updated.

JackBizzle:
Guy...
You still dey nairaland?

How far?

i'm good, i don't remember this moniker?

Ranchhoddas:
Haha...Oga Image no cause trouble for here abeg. Leave that man to come and answer this question. I want to know why you all keep insisting that the OP was never a true pastor.

Beats me too, i have said it several times that he was a true pastor(or whatever he calls himself) christian. God is still calling out to you oh.

Weah96:
That a subatomic particle capable of alternating between three states, as either a nothing, wave, or particle, was actually the source of the entire universe. Ordinary matter has only been observed to behave as either a particle or a wave, or both (check out the double slit experiment on YouTube). I'm suggesting that the enigmatic particle under consideration has a third behavior. It can also behave as Nothing would behave.


The above represents my own religious belief system. Questions.

i read something like this in the bible, are you plagiarising or what?

Ranchhoddas:
Na wa o. Simple question person go begin write essay. Is it possible for a person (not the OP) who was a real pastor (with the Bible school and Diploma) to backslide? It is a Yes or No question.

Is it possible for a backslider like you to come back?

smudge2079:
In a world where ladies clamor for gender equality..... What Melaye said shouldn't be blown out of proportion, rather it should be seen as a violent exchange of words between two people, not necessarily a Man and a Woman

Violent exchange of words are not normal too. Why should anyone threaten others for testifying in court? Tinubu should be applauded for standing against such impunity. What is bad is bad.

Jacko01:
You dont have 80 million in your salary account



As a christian yoi forgot lying is a sin shey

It might be in the fixed deposit account or in properties. Who puts 80million in salary accounts?

Pavarottii:
Compared to a rapid increase to 365naira in months?

U zombies don't even av conscience for urself. Even in suffering and mismanagement of the country. U guys still support blindly.
Go 4 check up ooo... not sure most of u guys are not okay.

You already said " Any other person except Goodluck Ebele Jonathan. " Don't you have anything to say? i simply showed you GEJ is not all that, do you need spiritual help to get that?

wirinet:
So you are telling us that your hell only exists in a book? No physical location or what it is made of?

No, i'm telling you to show me a star being born or a star dying. Is there something wrong with pointing you to a book, that seems to be what you are doing?

wirinet:
To see a star, simply look up anytime during the day. It rises in the east in the morning and set in the west in the evening. Now, show me your hell. Where can I find it.

If you want to look for stars in the formation or birthing state get a small telescope and look for the Orion Nebulae.
http://earthsky.org/space/orion-nebula-jewel-in-orions-sword

Now tell us how and where we can locate your hell.
See pics below

Oh that? i said YOU should show me a star being born and a star dying. At least you believe they do. If i tell you to go and look for hell and put a link like a bible link for instance, that will be what you just did.

HardMirror:
That is because the story of jesus is mostly fabricated.

Yeah right, and Nigeria is not in Africa. You must be feeling sleepy.

HardMirror:
Saw what you did there.
We all know hell aint real.

It seems you are very bored today. Who are "we", are they many inside you?
i talk am say research BELIEVE that the sun will die by faith basically. Christians also BELIEVE that the sun will die, their belief is on the bible though. They are both using faith.

Pavarottii:
[size=20pt]If we like we go up and down. Whether from PDP, APC, APGA, KOWA.

Any other person except Goodluck Ebele Jonathan. Is another exercise in futility. [/size]

Duh, the GEJ that in 2011, IMF forecasted 202naira to a dollar by 2015. And he went ahead with ngozi to fulfill it?
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/01/n202-7-to-exchange-for-a-dollar-in-2015-imf-projection/

Sunofgod:
8 - Goodluck Jonathan.......his name alone brought prosperity

https://cdn.dailypost.ng/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Goodluck-Jonathan-0064.jpg

Exactly, the kind of prosperity that signed 50million naira for ONSA to pay Okupe after Okupe complained that ONSA cut his allowance from 10million to 5million.

wirinet:
I honestly do not know there is hell. can you show me what it is, The composition, constituents and location?

After you. Show me a star being born and a star dying, its composition, constituents and how you know. There's hell, now you know.

dankol:
[b]THIRTEEN CONTNUED
Pume result came, I had between 200 and 210. I was mad with myself and told myself. It is over. As a non-indigene, I was targeting over 250 to stand a chance. By then, Ibadan poly had done their pume too. I was left with college of education. Me wey don vow say, I no go enter poly, na im con dey consider college now. I was desperate! If I had not been stubborn about not going to poly, I would have gone far by now. But I think, my stubbornness was making sense because, in my Nuclear family, all of my siblings older than me, including my parents were products of a Polytechnic. So I told myself, if na curse, I go break am- that also added fuel to my foundational curse theory. And so far, I am the only product of a University. I hope my younger siblings will follow but I do not want them to pass through my kind of stubbornness. So the one immediately after me went straight to the poly and now planning to take direct entry into the University.

It was holiday time for students, I just came back from my steel company work . I did night shift and could not continue for the day. I came back home to sleep and that all I do any free time I have. Suddenly, my phone rang, a strange number, I picked the call, and the guy on the other side said “Oboy, how far you, u no even tell me say your name comot for list.. you no try”. I sat down on the bed to process his words and asked him, “Which list”. He said, “admission list now, is your name not ..ehmm .. Dankol ….. that is the only Yoruba name on that list ooo. ”. (The guy who called me was the guy who sat with me during the pume exam. Let me ignore the story why he called me but the bottom line is, I did him a great favour. So calling me was the least he could do to repay me though I never sought to be repaid). I jumped up, told him to call back latter. I ran to the cyber café with my short and singlet. Bought airtime to check the list. Lo and Behold! My name was on XXXXXXX Merit Admission list into the course of my choice- the same course I have been mocked that I could not get, I got it on merit. I could not shout; I could not cry. I was in between but I knew, if anyone ask me for anything that moment, I will foolishly agree to it. Yea! I ascribed the glory to God no doubt but come to think of it. At that point in time in my life, I was not active in church, I was far from God cos, I no longer pray, do my song rehearsal, find new songs to work on. I was just there! Looking for money. And God still did it for me but I had to do the work all by myself. My dear, I am sorry to disappoint you, I have withdrawn every glory I ever ascribed to God because

That's what is called mercy or grace, something you did not merit. You may call it luck or chance as you had clearly lost hope and were not expecting anything. i'll call it reaping, you simply reaped what you sowed for many years. The Bible teaches and encourages persistence, hardwork and importunity. You don't have to know God or believe in Jesus to sow or reap. It was simply your time to reap.
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Gen 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

1. If he did it, I wouldn’t have put my life at risk to get result. Why? “Would a son ask for bread and his father give him stone? If an earthly father would not do that to his son, how much more our heavenly father” so says the bible. You my dear reader, if I may ask, would you like your son to suffer for any reason whatsoever? If I guess your answer right, which is NO, on no account will I let him suffer. Same question goes to God, who is unlimited in power, he could not even move a finger to make me not go through that experience at the steel company that prevented me from going to church

Jesus suffered, duh. So did all the apostles. Tough people last, and there are tough times. This is severally reflected in the scriptures.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

God would rather have you give your life to Jesus than waste your life and time doing church work. Church work does not save you.

2. If he did it, why would several thousands of believers like me who wrote jamb and even pume failed to make it. I was losing faith- I got admission because I worked towards it. Yet, some fool would pray all night- he/she may not get it. The probability of success is not dependent on God but on man directly or indirectly. but if you think it is God. Then I think, that God is MAN. Yea!, because, I wrote the exam, God did not write it. I worked for the money. He did not hand it over to me from heaven. Don’t tell me, he gave me ideas and strength and power to do all I did. If he did, what happened to those thousands of persons in my shoe who never got to think the way I did. At least I know two at that time, Bro D and his Cousin, we were all seeking for admission then. I got admission before them even though both were still deep-neck into churchism then not even when their guidance/ Father respectively was a very strict, strong willed Pastor too. All things being equal, I should not have been blessed with that admission. But sorry, I realize, he did not do it. I did all by myself.

I recall a testimony some papa in school was telling some guys when he came to evangelize. He said, “there was this faithful brother who was at the crossroad either to attend a power retreat or stay back to do his exams. He opted for the retreat and was expecting to fail. But he passed because, God sent an angel to represent him”. Immediately, the preacher got to that point. I asked him, “sir, may I know the brother, where, when did it happen”. He said “he heard the story too”. I just laughed and left the place thinking “What a great Nollywood story to make out of it”. Most pastors have learnt the act of lying without blinking an eye like the preacher trying to impress his listeners with that fat lie he coined. They have to do that, so you will believe. To make matters worse for you, they willstage some miracles for you and you fall hook, line and sinker for it. Please, do you know anyone personally who is crippled or deformed that has been healed? Please I would like to meet such person one-on-one. Another question is, why is the miracles selective? If, you dear reader have been to the redemption camp (I have been there sha) you will notice that there is a section beside the alter that is kept for disabled people seeking for healing. How many of them go back home different every year?

Joh 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
You were permitted to have what you have. The Bible does not promise you a jollyride without hitch. Laziness is not encouraged by God. Instead God calls us to be soldiers and of good courage. It tells us the awesome power in every man that we should tap into, however warning us to still trust in God and not forget God. God is not your sugar daddy, that is where the so called prosperity gospel confuses a lot of people. Prayer is good, but nobody needs to pray all night to gain admission. It is better to read all night to gain admission. You can pray all night for better things, eternal things. God is not mocked, whatever a man sows is what he reaps. If you sow corn, God will not say, oh he prayed all night, give him gold. He won't say, oh he's a buddhist, his corn will not grow. Those are ephemeral matters, not matters of salvation or eternity. There are laws already laid down by God whoever you are. Even Jesus had to work hard, grow up and increase in wisdom. Nothing was dashed to Him. He earned it all and paid preciously for all He had and did. On miracles, simply go close to any testifier and verify their miracles. Stop being an armchair critic. Or better still, take a sick person to the crusade grounds or church where the people are testifying. i do not advice to the controversial churches though, you may try the RCCG camp you mentioned, or DeeperLife or LivingFaith or Chosen. Those are popular enough i think.

3. Moreso, why don’t you ask yourself what happens to people who do not even believe in what you believe, Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Eckists, Atheists and many others who are doing much fine as much as there are persons amongst them who are not. Good things are not exclusive to Christians oo. Every Religion has its own fair share too of the good, bad, ugly, beautiful, crooked and straight.[/b]

i do not recall the Bible saying otherwise. Here it is again.
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Act 14:17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
Psa 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

realmindz:
Oh thank you...

Now answer d question

What is the question, is that not why i asked that you speak English?

dankol:
[b]CHAPTER THIRTEEN
CONTINUATION......
I did not stop teaching, I would teach during the day, and go to the other work at night. It was not funny. It was the cash that gave me strength. I began to have money to take care of myself and siblings. I bought provisions and food stuff. I had already sent money to get the PUME and I was saving for the journey to South South.

OAU pume came, I went to write, I had 198. I knew that was the end of the road for that, but seriously, my mind was not there. XXXXXX came calling for PUME, I took excuse from my boss, the proprietress. She permitted me. Infact she has been following me up since I wrote jamb, trying to know the latest. Well, not really because she care about me, but her business. She needed to know how to get a replacement for me. She did it in good faith though. All these while, I only go to church on Sundays now and now an ordinary member because, I could not attend rehearsals anymore because of the double-decker work I was doing. The local church was on my neck to come back and that they will do something about my issue. I told pastor that day, it is too late. You can’t give me as much as I earn. Moreover, it is going to come in the form of help and I will be answerable to the church. I rejected it.

Now, I know a lot of questions will pop up in the reader’s mind about my dad’s role in this? My dad lost his job long before now and was greatly handicapped to do his duties as a father. It was not his intention to let me or any of us go through what we went through. Mind you we were Nine of us, from both wives. One of the reasons, why I will have a minimum of one and maximum of two children so I can take care of them. I do really pity my old man. The burden was much.

Two days to my departure to no man’s land for pume. My assistant Pastor called me to his house to tell me about one vision he had about me. I can’t recall how he narrated his fake vision but the bottom line was that, I should not go else it will spell doom for me and my siblings. Now, this assistant pastor of a man, I respect him also and infact, he has been a major encouragement to my Christian life. I learnt a lot from him especially being the Youth Pastor. He was loaded with words of encouragement and Power. Looking at his record, no taint or stain from my point of view. So, I believed him. Moreover, what are the chances of me getting admission over there and the money I would waste to go there. Na the money matter, pinch me pass.

So I cancelled my trip to XXXXXXX. I went back to work at the Steel company, day and night till the day of departure. My dad called me to know if am on the way. I told him, I am no longer going. He was shocked. I explained to him of my fears of not getting the admission and money, I do not have enough money. He told me to go that, he would send some money to me. Anyway, that is part of his trick sha . But I refuses oo. I told him, I am not interested again and I want to try THE POLYTECHNIC IBADAN- that was my poly choice.

That day, I knew I had a father who would do anything to help his boy get some sense, when I mean anything, nothing violent. My dad affirmed to me on the phone and said, “Dankol, I am on my knees, Please be on your way. I will go lend some money anywhere and send to you by Monday. Please, just start moving”. That gesture touched me and immediately, I went to my supervisor at the steel company to give me a permit to leave the company’s premises. He refused, I told him, I have to go whatever it takes. He said, I will lose my pay for the day. I agreed. So I left for XXXXXXX the next day. My dad did not rest from calling me until he was sure I got there and wrote the Exam. I told him not to worry about the money he promised to send but he insisted and sent me 2.5k to support myself.[/b]

Your pastor was naive, a vision can be a form of warning or instruction to be careful or prayerful. It is not necessarily a don't go or don't travel. I'm sure you were very careful during your trip, which was the purpose of the vision/dream in the first iñstance.

realmindz:
He knows from beginning to end. He knows he wud create man, then he knows he will regret creating man and he knows he will destroy man with flood after regretting....

Mr image, you are living proof that common sense is not common

Speak English.

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