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johnydon22:
not gonna waste time typing on this issue anymore.

johnydon22:
Nothing need saying that has not being said... am not cut out for going in circles...
whatever question you have, you can easily scroll up and see the answer..
Am done sir... No more mentions cus i wont reply it.

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LUDALOOLO:
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2011 broken promises and U-turns

Posted by: Associate Editor, Sam Egburonu in Featured, News November 16, 2014

Following President Goodluck Jonathan’s declaration to contest for reelection at the 2015 Presidential Election in spite of the promise he made during the 2011 presidential election campaigns not to seek for a second term in office, Associate Editor, Sam Egburonu, reports on Mr. President’s broken political promises and U-turns

President Goodluck Jonathan’s presidency in 2011 was heralded by some exhilarating promises which brought fresh hope to Nigerians, especially youths and the oppressed majority, who were yet to recover from the rude shock occasioned by the sudden death of former President Umar Yar’Adua.

Jonathan’s campaigns, described as “fresh and dynamic,” added momentum to the unfolding drama, a drama of a once shoeless Nigerian destined to bring hope, restoration, transformation and ‘good luck’ to a blessed nation that has long been abandoned in the harsh desert of gross maladministration and corruption.

In an ennobled voice of a seeming messiah, Jonathan had said on September 18, 2010, as he made the formal declaration to contest the 2011 Presidential Election: “I stand before you today (18th September, 2010), humbly seeking your support for me, Goodluck Ebele Azikiwe Jonathan, to run for the office of the President of Nigeria with Architect Namadi Sambo as my running mate.

“We will fight for justice!

We will fight for all Nigerians to have access to power!

We will fight for qualitative and competitive education!

We will fight for health care reforms!

We will fight to create jobs, for all Nigerians!

We will fight corruption!

We will fight to protect all citizens!

We will fight for your rights!

My dear country men and women, give me your support, give me your votes and together we will fight to build a great nation of our dreams!”

As would be expected, most Nigerians took these promises as Gospel truths, especially because of the humble socio-political background of the giver.

Dr Israel Udodirim, a political scientist in Lagos, recalled the impact of the declaration speech and the other political promises from Jonathan on the electorates and the common people. “Nigerians saw in Jonathan, way back in 2010, when he made those thrilling promises, the ideal change we have been clamouring for, the fresh politician with little or no baggage, the ideal leader with the right education and the right background to tackle the unique problems of the country, bearing in mind the challenges millions of Nigerian masses face on a daily basis.”

Perhaps, it was with the same understanding that Jonathan easily won the 2011 presidential election and was sworn in as President, May 29, 2011.

Since then, critical observers have continued to accuse Jonathan and his government of failed promises and U-turns.

Broken political promises and U-turns

One of the areas President Jonathan’s opponents say he has failed to fulfill the promise he made to Nigerians is on the political field, particularly on the issue of his tenure. They argued that at the heat of the campaigns for the 2011 Presidential Elections, Jonathan had clearly promised not to seek reelection in 2015. But during the week, on Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Jonathan formally declared his intention to contest the 2015 presidential election on the ticket of the ruling People’s Democratic Party (PDP).

The controversy over Jonathan’s political future in 2015 dates back to 2010 even before he formally declared his 2011 presidential ambition. At a crowded press conference in Abuja, Nigeria’s Federal Capital Territory, just a day before his formal declaration, his promise to govern only for a term was first broached to Nigerians.

At that auspicious briefing, Dalhatu Tafida, the then Director-General of the Jonathan/Sambo Campaign Organisation, told Nigerians in clear language that “The President wants to run for one term…Let us give him the four years and see how he performs,” he said.

It was a promise few doubted, especially because of the peculiar political realities then following the death of former President Umar Yar’Adua and tension in the polity over power rotation and the tenure of the North. Some powerful political leaders from the North had tried desperately to stop Jonathan’s ambition then, arguing that the alleged eight years tenure for the North, which the late Ya’Adua would have done, will not end until 2015 and that it would not be right for Jonathan, who is from the South-South to continue in office. But Jonathan’s supporters across the country, taking into consideration the unique political realities of the time, rallied round him to ensure his election. According to some sources, it was in the course of this top flight negotiation that the option of a single term was considered.

So, when Tafida made the promise on behalf of his boss, many took it as a genuine promise by Jonathan.

It did not end there for Jonathan himself, who never at that time denied or faulted Tafida’s utterances, also made the promise in very clear terms.

Few days after the Abuja press conference preceding his official declaration to seek presidential office in 2011, Jonathan personally confirmed Tafida’s assurances when on January 31, 2011, while addressing Nigerians in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, where he attended an African Union Summit, he told the audience: “I would have loved that Nigerians in the Diaspora vote this year. But to be frank with you that is going to be difficult now. Nigerians in the Diaspora will not vote, but I will work towards it by 2015, even though I will not be running for election.”

He also promised the special audience of Nigerians that if voted in for the next four years, he would ensure significant improvement in key sectors of the economy – security, power, education, road, health amongst others.

“Without security, there is no government. So it is not debatable, it is something we have to address and we are working towards that with vigour. But if I’m voted into power within the next four years, the issue of power will become a thing of the past. Four years is enough for anyone in power to make significant improvement and if I can’t improve on power within this period, it then means I cannot do anything even if I am there for the next four years.”

In what a critic described as ‘a callous u-turn,’ Jonathan on Tuesday, at a huge rally in Abuja, formally declared his intention to run in 2015 elections for the office of president.

He explained how he came about the decision to throw his hat on the ring in spite of the criticism of his opponents thus: “After seeking the face of God, in quiet reflection with my family and having listened to the call of our people nationwide to run, I, Goodluck Ebele Azikiwe Jonathan, have accepted to re-present myself, on the platform of the Peoples’ Democratic Party, for re-election as the President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, in the 2015 general elections.”

As would be expected, Jonathan has been flayed by some Nigerians, including his political opponents. For example, Nigeria’s main opposition party, the All Progressives Congress (APC) roundly condemned the timing of the declaration, questioning why the President and his party chose to make the declaration of his ambition for a second term less than 24 hours after about 50 students were killed in a suicide bomb attack in Potiskum, Yobe State.

APC’s National Publicity Secretary, Lai Mohammed, described the declaration as “insensitive and senseless.”

He lamented that the President was “dancing on the graves of the students,’ adding, “Since this President has chosen to celebrate a national tragedy, Nigerians should also be ready to celebrate his electoral failure next year.”

Part of the APC statement said this “act of blatant hard-heartedness, Jonathan was only continuing along his well-trodden path of acting without deep introspection.

“When about 60 students were killed in the terror attack on the Federal Government College, Buni Yadi, in February 2014, President Jonathan never visited the scene to commiserate with the families of the victims. When over 80 people were killed in the first Nyanya bombing in April 2014, President Jonathan went dancing ‘Azonto’ in Kano less than 48 hours later.

“And when almost 300 girls were freshly abducted in Chibok, President Jonathan neither acted fast enough to rescue the girls nor visited the village. His administration even denied anyone was abducted, until 19 days after!

“This President has therefore established a pattern of putting his political interest above the security and welfare of Nigerians who voted him into office. This President has trampled upon the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, which makes the security and welfare of the citizenry the raison d’etre of the government’s existence.

“It is time for Nigerians to respond in kind by trampling on his political ambition and sending him back to Otuoke.”

Responding, the Peoples Democratic Party, in a statement signed by its National Publicity Secretary, Olisa Metuh, described APC’s statement as ‘mischievous.’ PDP said APC in their “characteristic manner, instead of accepting the successes already acknowledged by Nigerians, went into their usual shadowboxing and mischievous propaganda in a failed attempt to score a cheap political point.”

Metuh also said in the statement that: “All over the world, it is known that terrorists plan their evil activities to manipulate political events and policies and that the more you allow them space, the more dastardly and frequent they turn. If terrorists must be denied the publicity they crave so much for, it becomes the responsibility of all patriots in moments like this to work hard to prevent them from hijacking events or taking control of our destiny.”

Besides the timing of the declaration, his opponents and some other observers say Jonathan did not keep his words on his reelection ambition and that electorates will not forget that on the day of election. It remains to be seen how if the alleged u-turn on the issue of tenure will affect Jonathan’s electoral fortunes in 2015 elections.

Question mark on human rights

Notwithstanding repeated claims by Jonathan-led Federal Government that his administration ensured protection of human rights and freedom of speech as it supervised the signing into law of Freedom of Information Bill, observers said a recent harassment of some media houses has put a big question mark on the administration’s record in this sector.

It would be recalled that in spite of Jonathan’s promise to defend all the rights of Nigerians, including the freedom of information, when he said in 2011, “we will fight for your rights’ there were reports of harassment of newspaper houses sometime in June 2014, when military clamped down some media houses.

Although the Defence Spokesman, Major-General Chris Olukolade, officially denied the clampdown, it was confirmed that soldiers actually intercepted some newspaper distribution vehicles going to some states. Also during this period, The Nation noted heavy presence of military men near the corporate headquarters of the affected media houses.

A statement released by the management of Media Trust Limited (publishers of Daily Trust), one of the affected newspaper houses, said:

“Armed soldiers this morning confiscated copies of today’s edition of Daily Trust across the country and disrupted the distribution of the paper in major cities including Abuja, Kano, Maiduguri and Port Harcourt,” the statement said.

“The soldiers, who claimed they were acting on superior order, mounted roadblocks along the major highways through which the newspaper is distributed and intercepted the delivery van. They also mounted road roadblocks around our offices in Abuja and Kano,” it added.

The statement “recalled that Daily Trust had published an exclusive lead story on Wednesday on the sharing of an Abuja barrack plots to Army generals and their spouses for personal use.”

http://thenationonlineng.net/new/2011-broken-promises-and-u-turns/

Owliver:
Did he clarify his statement about islamization of nigeria? Why is nobody asking that question cos that's one major reason many christians won't vote for him. Even me and my family

clevvermind:
my guy, stop this. that tape is fake. it is made in toronto. the matter is already in court, let's wait for the outcome. it will be sweet.

thehomer:
The reason is that it was written in your Bible. You see, you're merely making excuses for the geoncide your God commanded. You can once again take a look at the definition of what actions constitute genocide and compare that to what your God ordered. Once again, I'm right to say that you've lost objective. Wow are you also having a stroke or merely suffering from problems with reading comprehension? Please can you quote where I said that in its appropriate context?

No I don't see those things before my very eyes what I've read with my very eyes are that your God commanded genocide, recommended slavery and killed people for having their own thoughts about what to worship.

Obviously I do since I've presented you with its definition and shown that it is what your God commanded. Your denial of these elementary facts is just shameful.

Yet here you remain. It is only when I ask you whether or not you would obey your God as he commanded the Israelites that you start ranting about Romans and foolish questions. I know that I've revealed that deep problem you have with your God.

Haven't you been paying attention? Your God's word leads people to evil and worse. As I've said, the fact that he is more moral than your God is enough to make him win.

Looms for who? You and your God?

You've not been reading your Bible. Do you remember where it distributed the female virgins among people including his prophets? If you say you've not seen this, then I have to say that you're ignorant about your Bible. No I don't like that one. What I would like is that he didn't kill innocent people. Or do you like the one where he orders the killing of everyone except female virgins? If God isn't bound by ideas, then you cannot say he is good or moral.

No, it is what we just call strong. And the judge is Brahma.

So your God is deliberately deluding people so they may believe a lie? How do you know that you've not fallen under that delusion so that you're believing that your God who commanded a genocide is actually good?

God did not order the killings? Then who did? Or are you delusional or reading from the Satan's Bible? As I said, assume whatever you want, your God remains a moral monster.

He still won't be getting a crumb from me though.

Too bad for you that you don't see it. I see it and I've pointed it out to you. You said it yourself that your God owns you. Or do you wish to say now that he doesn't own you? Having is not the same thing as owning. Your silliness is truly astounding. Are you saying that you own your parents the same way masters owned slaves? Or don't you know what owning a slave means? Have you suddenly become unable to cope with English language?

If he were forgotten, how is it the case that I've been able to quote him? Simply google his name and see whether or not he is forgotten. I refuse to follow a despicable ideology like what your God outlined and what he intends to do to most of humanity according to the Bible. He judges the innocent as guilty and kills them. He avenges himself on babies and on people he deliberately created as flawed. What sort of monster is this that you serve?

thehomer:
You mean other than Shiva?

You were never this clear. You say God created man good. Why didn't he create man perfect?

No, I'm saying that your God is evil in asking Abraham to kill his son. That is callousness.
I have considered your Christian perspective and found it wanting. I'm merely pointing that fact out to you. I'm also pointing out the poor reasoning you're using to back it up.

No I'm not advocating that. I'm pointing out to you the difference between punishing someone for what they've done and punishing someone for simply being born. I don't want an allegory, I want you to be consistent. e.g you seem to think that just because people are born, they deserve to be sent to hell.

And I say to you, why wasn't Adam made perfect? Or is your God only capable of less than perfection?

Well that is absurd. What is it about God that makes him moral? He commanded those Israelites to kill babies or haven't you read your Bible? Only a biased and selective person will fail to see the demonstration of your God's evil qualities all over the Bible. His genocides, hatred, evil and unjust acts are not worthy of emulation. Getting fixated on your flawed perspective hurts us all.

You stated it yourself when you said


If whether or not genocide is good depends on who is doing it, then it follows by elementary reasoning that you think that genocide is sometimes good. The fact that you find it difficult to reason when your God is involved is your own failing.

I know what I said. The fact that you asked a question based on your own ignorant presumptions doesn't make my answer wrong. Simply look up the biological definition of what apes are. You do realize that Genesis is inconsistent and isn't science. I'm not relying on the fables in Genesis to arrive at my conclusions. Once again, the theory of evolution and the formation of the earth are two different topics. Conflating it merely shows your confusion.

I was merely phrasing things in a way I thought you would be very familiar with by using words and structures you provide. Yet you fail miserably to respond to what was said. As I've said several times, Numbers 31 is a direct quote from your God while Matthew and Romans were either written by unknown people or by mere humans. Who should we believe God himself or some people writing letters to themselves? I have shown you God's hate and asked you to give reasons why you would obey him.
You think people need God not to commit genocide? Don't you think? Recall your God na in Numbers 31 and the fact that he will torture far more people than Mao and Pol Pot combined. You don't need God. He has led you into your dishonesty, lies, perversions and your current depression and slavery.

Asked and answered. When you and your God think that giving Job more children somehow makes things okay. I have defended that assertion. No, things would be okay if God didn't allow the devil to kill Job's children in the first place. As you can see, I've directly answered your questions even repeating myself. No you've not given me evidence of an afterlife, you've only asserted it. Please present the evidence you have of an afterlife. Try reading and understanding just how evil and callous your God is before coming back to me.

How on earth is someone killing another person the same as someone saying that they do not believe in your God? This is just more of your dishonesty. Is it a crime not to worship your God today? Answer me. What they did was simply expressing their desire not to worship your God the way some people said he must be worshipped, fact.

Merely throwing out assertions and asserting your ignorance doesn't constitute facts. The facts are clear that your God is imaginary and you're beholden to a figment of your imagination.

But your God hates people, common sense tells me that your God is imaginary and I don't see what the human make up has to do with anythign here. I mean, why not the malarial parasite makeup?

Your God is an imaginary God made of wood, stone, clouds and finally imagination. Shiva is the Owner of Heaven and Earth and the Creator and Judge of all men. As soon as Shiva created your God, he made your God a figment of human imagination. I don't never said that Mao and Stalin owned human life or that they claimed to create human life. You muse on that until you comprehend.

johnydon22:
If that post above hurt you then you have a serious issue...

If you cant comprehend anything i said above, how can you comprehend more when i say it.

If you do not and cannot discern what is right from what is wrong... smh then its a big pity..

I am pretty sure i have made my statements clear and tactful...
I will not go over this over again dear one..

I am through with you...

anonimi:
And the thing nor be magic oh.
Na the result of ogbonge correct industrialisation policy from Oga Jonah plus Arch. Sambo leading a team of dynamic, young, talented ministers.

johnydon22:
let me quote my previous post to you since you intentionally skipped it.

Empathy is doing the things you do with consideration to the feelings of others so ask me again why it matters... next time search a word you dont know in the dictionary before asking such dumb question (i.e : Am not calling you dumb)

The society derives morality from empathy.

Right and wrong is encompassed in the dimension of empathy. . . as long as as anything you do hurts no one in anyway. e.g You kissing a girl do not hurt anybody in short in is pleasurable to both of you, so how can it be wrong?

You see anything that goes against empathy is wrong and anything that is in coincide with empathy can be termed right.

If i stole from you or insulted you, my actions are against empathy (cus it hurt you) that means i was wrong by stealing or insulting you..

If i shelter you when you are homeless, my actions are in coincide with empathy (its good for you) that action can be classified as right...

Nobody is evil and nobody is good.. we are all born neutral to a beautiful world.. and are all capable of great good and great evil. it is the decisions we make when faced with the choice of good and evil that determines what our actions are or will be

johnydon22:
i said ; Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right.

This two options above are all religious people too...lmao...funny

babasanti:
can you read at all? Shut UP and read the full news.

gbl01:
GEJ didnt kneel with Mouka, did he? kneeling dont actually make you an slowpoke. grow up dude. We dont like GEJ, insulting him make us stupid

squaddy:
You win is his brainchild. No Argument there.

squaddy:
Nitwit GEJ is not the head of immigrations.

anonimi:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/2106456_gejmasstransit_jpeg06b55da820f2af18e1bb27b70dfeb165


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pekeyim:
I like the fact that you have an open mind, You are indeed a rare germ amongst the vast majority of Buhari's supporters i've engaged in a proper discussion.

I totally agree with you that someone in 1983 isn't the same person in 2015, But even in medicine there is something called "Patients History "
doesn't mean if your parents are diabetics you also will be diabetic but the chances are High.
Yes I have listened to Buhari's speeches lately and it is worries me that He doesn't understand the fact that He's in the opposition and needs to use every single opportunity to woo voters over rather than banking on "religious" support.
For instant @ rallies, You'll only speak for few minutes mostly under 5 minutes and say, We'll tackle insecurity, corruption, unemployment, not actually telling us How?

I watched President Obama and any chance He had to debate He used it,
Instead with the General, "These guys are compromised, these ones are pdp, these ones are anti-APC" Nigerians were looking forward to the debate but as a "General " You are probably above the masses and not answerable to no one, The case of the WASC Certificate is a serious concern, as a Man of integrity ("Like the popular scarce face movie funny it was in 1983 also "I only got two things in this world my balls and my word and I don't break them for nobody!- Tony Montana" Rather than posting us to several places, just ask Cambridge to release the results..
i'm sure you probably still remember your WASC number, but You don't know where the certificate itself is.

You call what happened in Ekiti and Osun unnecessary? Well @ least APC won in Osun, there was a need to guide the electoral process, APC is also into rigging. I won't like to comment on Mr. Mbu and Rivers State, Mbu is now incharge of Lagos region, let's see how it goes, The lawmakers wanted to cause trouble, If the police should barricade an area what's the right thing to do?? Jump the fence??
You talk of SARS, but do you remember Operation Flush, Swift and co?? Even in US we still have false convictions etc, But the fact that someone can be held without trail even when you do not have a case against Him/Her, is grave INJUSTICE!!! I posted the link where I got those figures from, Buhari's government change the colour of the naira note, it had a lot of consequences, and blocked the border because of that, please do some research on that.
So You mean Shagari deserved House arrest while Ekueme deserved to be in Kirikiri?

Thank You.

vigasimple:
THE OTHER QUESTION YOU COULD ASK IS ;

IF GEJ IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH,

IS BHUARI A BETTER OPTION?

YOU WILL THEN SEE THE BIAS AND IGNORANCE OF THE OP.

If for whatever reason we think GEJ is not good , are you saying BHUARI, a 72years old grandfather is our best option?

Where are the youths, Fashola, Oshiomhole, Okorocha and Kwankwaso and the 40-50years or you want us to recycle old 70 something years old.

Bhuari age is not really the problem but the age of his ideas and vision , they are antique and completely outdated.

pekeyim:
Insecurity, power (constant) - cracks.
Nokia 3310 : No freedom of press, Human rights abuses, no clear cut plan to handover, overthrew a democratic govt, massive retrenchment of staffs (over 200k)in civil service, massive capital flight led to abt 2 million private sector jobs lost, failed economic plan, selective judgement /punishment. (Motor get accident, dem leave Driver, go jail Conductor).


https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=3jQChj0S2x0C&pg=PA198&lpg=PA198&dq=troubled+journey+Buhari&source=bl&ots=budUc_dyo-&sig=tqMtsNn4GuLaMYIueZJ7I5TQR6Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1KvTVPjqJYSe7gaSuYFo&redir_esc=y

biafranqueen:
https://www.nairaland.com/2033799/general-buhari-promises-stabilize-oil

Watch this interview and come back to apologize thanks.
Shame on those that can read and are still talking about GMB listen to who you want! https://www.nairaland.com/2033799/general-buhari-promises-stabilize-oil


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsOEmrAV74Y



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gAr77wWNms

So Buhari said that military regimes did no harm to Nigeria He said the best time of Nigeria is under Military dictators! This is 2015ooo! 37 years of them ruling and 11 under democratic/military OBJ, we say NO to soldiers of fortune ruling Nigeria again!

thehomer:
The nefarious purposes are that your God wanted sex slaves for some of his people. I'm not talking about dehumanization, I'm talking about the genocide your God commanded. Don't you think genocide is a crime? Sometimes you say it is other times you say it isn't. I don't see why a limited human who doesn't know it all and has limited power should be punished for genocide when your God who has unlimited power didn't simply stop it or not give the order.

God commanded genocide, recommended slavery and killed people for having their own thoughts about what to worship.

He did. Unless you don't understand what your Bible contains.

Yet you're still here. The fact of your maniacal God remains.

I made Brahma popular? I must be very influential. Yet they remain superior to your God because as I've said before, your God is a genocidal maniac. So far, they're leading your God morally since they're not genocidal maniacs.

Then your God must have been foolish for issuing that command and you're foolish for saying it was right.

That's what you think but your God who is already losing to a few Gods is bound. Hey about the sex slaves, don't ask me, check your Bible and ask yourself what he wanted with those female virgins while killing everyone else including male babies.

I'd rather keep beating your God. It is genocide. Trying to justify genocide as judgement shows the depravity you share with your God.

You call me a liar while denying the killings your God ordered in the passages I showed you. This depth of dishonesty I've not seen in a long while. As I said, assume all that but your God remains a genocidal maniac. A moral monster.

Seen and destroyed.

For your God since he won't be getting a crumb from me 'cause I'm from the streets of Naija.

Too bad for you that you don't see it. I see it and I've pointed it out to you. You said it yourself that your God owns you. Or do you wish to say now that he doesn't own you? Having is not the same thing as owning. Your silliness is truly astounding. Are you saying that you own your parents the same way masters owned slaves? Or don't you know what owning a slave means? Have you suddenly become unable to cope with English language?

Ingersoll will never be forgotten. Wan't it your God that said he created plants before the sun? Why don't you forget a creator so ignorant of biology that he will fail a simple biology exam?
I refuse to follow a despicable ideology like what your God outlined and what he intends to do to most of humanity according to the Bible. He intends to torture more people than Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao combined yet you think that would be a good thing.

I seriously doubt that the devil himself could do worse since your God has done it all and then some.

thehomer:
And as a Christian, you should be aware of the other Gods out there.

Finally, you're becoming able to answer simple direct questions. My follow up question to you is this. Why on earth has God chosen to use these tests that he knows Adam would fail and send most of humanity to hell rather than simply create a perfect Adam?

My answer is that your God told Abraham to kill his son. The fact that Abraham didn't kill his son doesn't exonerate your God. It takes a certain type of callousness for a powerful person to ask another person to kill their children.

Since "it is my cup of tea", I'm telling you that the Bible isn't a good source of what righteousness is. By your reasoning, if e.g the Bhagavad Gita says it is the source of righteousness, then you should also be ready to accept it.

If you think that, then you think everyone deserves to be punished for Adam's sin. You do realize that what you may think is a sin, I may not consider as a wrong doing. Secondly, there is a difference between punishing someone for killing someone else and punishing someone simply because they had the "misfortune" of being born since according to you, all people who are born deserve to be punished for Adam's sin.

I really wonder why you're unable to see the conflation you're making here. Why did God make people start off with a sinful nature? Why didn't he simply make perfect people to begin with? Why should we be guilty of what Adam did? You say the start up isn't the main thing yet you start people up with a sinful nature. Why not start them off with a perfect nature? Or wasn't your God aware of that option?

How on earth is the question irrelevant to whether or not your God is moral? Why should I think that a person who ordered other people to kill babies or who ordered someone else to kill their child as being a moral person worthy of emulation?

So you think that sometimes, genocide is a good thing to do. And you wonder why I call your God a moral monster. What you're saying means that you cannot tell whether or not any incident of genocide is actually immoral.

Humans are apes. The formation of the earth is different from the theory of evolution. If you want a lesson on the theory of evolution, you can take free online lessons or read online articles. I'm not going to teach you the theory of evolution on an anonymous online forum. I can recommend some classes and articles to you if you wish.

Who was speaking in Numbers 31? Your understanding and perspective is not the truth. The truth is that the Bible is not the word of God. I have shown you God's evil nature and asked you whether you would obey him if he gave you the commands he gave people in your Bible.
I on the other hand have told you that I do not need your God to do the right thing. In fact, I have shown that with your God, no act can be considered as being wrong.

When you and your God think that giving Job more children somehow makes things okay. Common sense is the fact that there is no afterlife. What is the evidence for this God of yours?

You've already agreed with me that your God made it a crime to think. You merely branded it treason and claim that those people deserved to die. If people deciding not to worship your God and getting killed for it isn't your God making it a crime to think, then you're merely talking gibberish.

I've found the fault and it lies with your God. You've not presented a solution, you've presented a bunch of confused ideas. If you had studied evolution, you'll know that humans are apes. Why didn't God make Adam better? Why didn't he start afresh with a perfect human being? Why go for this stupid refining business that would send most of his creations to hell?

To decide whether or not to bother addressing that idea.

Oh so Gods are now giving themselves rights? In that case, Shiva has the right to do anything with his property. By the way, you're Shiva's property. Your Gods and Jesus do not own human life. Neither can they create human life even though they claim to. Shiva is the owner of the heavens and the earth.

pekeyim:
My Friend, This isn't the President We want but
it's the President we picked., and will choose.
Here is an analogy.
You have an i-phone 5, the i-phone's screen is
cracked but it still works, Now You'll prefer a
New phone, But the only phone available in the
market is a Nokia 3310, Now tell me my friend
will You go for the Nokia 3310, or manage with
your i-phone, Until another good product is
available in the market?.
Thank You.

Omooba77:
You have seeing the rail lines busy again,Benin-Ore,Ibadan,rice is still less than 9k

endymetrix:
GEJ may be Clueless because your APC criminals vowed to make his administration un-governable! When FailBuhari lost election, innocent people including corp members lost their lives. Even b4 FoolHari became president, people lost their lives on his account... Shame on aPC!

GEJ may be clueless, then a cluefool man like you should create your own country and appoint Buhari as your president!

GEJ till buhari shows us his certificate!

Omooba77:
When did 2010 becomes 6 years?

anonimi:
Kindly point out where I insulted YOU in my post that you quoted.

Thanks.


Meanwhile your analogy only applies to a daddy who did NOT train his choldren well hence it is only when they see him that they behave doing eye service.

May God not let that be our portion!