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Bidam: hmmmn i can see you guys are keeping the thread busy...hell dey really torment una before una even see am.

moredendisc: @Ubenedictus

Couldn't resist the urge to ignore this. Incidentally the same pole position Image123 is latched on to

The idea of Hell english word according to Greek mythology original greek word Hades is that ONLY bad people end up there (i.e. no good people ever end up in hell)

The idea of Sheol to the Jews is that bad people & good people ended up there, however they were separated by a chasm or gulf

Hell is a makeshift once and for all translation for Hades, and Hades is the absence of a better word translation of the Hebrew original word Sheol

The translators should have stuck with Sheol instead of trying to translate it

So what's your response to this: Did good people, at some time, ever end up in Hell?

plappville: How

frosbel: Some beautiful quotes from eternal torment champions.

Image123 will be proud of these wonderful , kind and godly men.


"In order that the happiness of the saints will be more delightful ... they are permitted perfectly to behold the sufferings of the damned. ... The saints will rejoice in the punishment of the damned ... which will fill them with joy."
--St. Thomas Aquinas

"The happiness of the elect will consist in part of witnessing the torments of the damned in hell, among whom may be their own children, parents, husbands, wives and friends; ... but instead of taking the part of their miserable being, they will say 'Amen!', 'Hallelujah!', 'Praise the Lord!'"
--Rev. Nathaniel Emmons (1745 - 1840)

"You are going to see again the child ... that was condemned to hell. See! It is a pitiful sight. The little child is in this red hot oven. Hear how it screams to come out.... It beats its head against the roof of the oven. It stamps its little feet on the floor of the oven. ... You can see on the face of this little child what you see on the faces of all in hell - despair, desperate and horrible."
--Rev. J. Furniss, in "Tracts for Spiritual Reading", a popular booklet for children (late 19th Century)

plappville: I kn you so well now, always checking for errors as usual...hahaha , i wonder if Christ will reject us by spelling errors...

plappville: You don find me reach here abi? na teaching you call this one? And who tell you say na class we dey here? ...wetin happen to it?



[s]this image123 always have a word to say in my thread euh!!! ([/s]

truthislight: why use the word "hell" in english?

Is it an instruction from the bible that the equivalent english word for Sheol and Hedes should be hell?

Who gave the command that it must be the word hell?

Also, see the meaning of the revered 'Hades'
: pluto
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: the underground abode of the dead in Greek mythology
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: sheol
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often not capitalized : hell 1a
See Hades defined for English-language learners »
Origin of HADES

Greek Aidēs, Āidēs, Haidēs
First Known Use: 1597
Rhymes with HADES

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Hades noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
Greek god of the underworld. He was also known as Pluto; his Roman equivalent was Dis. Hades was the son of the Titans Rhea and Cronus and the brother of Zeus and Poseidon. His queen was Persephone, the daughter of Demeter, whom he kidnapped from earth and carried off to the underworld. Stern and pitiless, unmoved by prayer or sacrifice, he presided over the trial and punishment of the wicked after death. His name was also sometimes used to designate the dwelling place of the dead, and it later became a synonym for Hell.

FXKing2012: Pls stop quoting old testament and the Mosaic law; we dont live in the old testament neither are we under the law. We live in the new testament and we function by grace. But for obvious reasons I dont expect you to understand this.

moredendisc: @Image123

How did I manage to miss reading this brilliant truthislight post

Don't you just love reading that

I love you truthislight however God loves you more


Image123, you should be flabbergasted by now

There is no english word of Hades

You either invent a word in English for Hades or borrow an English word for Hades.

Most translators did the latter, borrowed Hell for Hades

Some translators were honest and put a footnote that Hell actually is or means Hades

"What is the Greek equivalent of hell?"

Hmm. Well, you can carefully or guardedly say Hades.

Took the guardedly position because there is more then the eyes see on word Hades.

The meaning of hell is a place where the unrighteous or wicked are placed in suffering with burning fire

# I wouldn't be surprised if you fish out Luke 16:24 and try waving it my face as a trump or winning card

truthislight: Hedes = grave. (greek)

Sheol = Grave (Hebrews)

english word for the two words above = Grave.

But for hell, check you dictionary, that is what they did.(programming)

word ford in hebrew in hebrew for hell ? No, i have not seen it befor, it has to be an explanation.

moredendisc: @Image123

See no fault of yours though but you have used Hell for Hades

That Acts 2:31 verse which you referenced was mistranslated

Hell and Hades are different kettle of fish

Besides having different concepts, plans, intention and locations Hell is a myth, Hades is not.

Image123: so, what is the english of hades? what is the Greek equivalent of hell? what is the meaning of hell?

moredendisc: @Image123

See no fault of yours though but you have used Hell for Hades

That Acts 2:31 verse which you referenced was mistranslated

Hell and Hades are different kettle of fish

Besides having different concepts, plans, intention and locations Hell is a myth, Hades is not.

truthislight: Hell is not a Hebrew word.

On what basis are you reverting Hell to Hebrew?

However, the word Hedes means grave and the word sheol means grave,

sheol is a hebrew word while Hedes is a greek word meaning the same thing in both languages = grave.

So, in translating the bible From Hebrew to Greek, the corresponding word for Hebrew Sheol is Greek Hedes.

However, the word Gehena is reference for fire, but Gehena was a refuse dump sustain by fire outside the walls of Jerusalem.(definitely not an underworld) as such symbolic since those that were reference to being put there were never put there literally.
Peace

moredendisc: @Image123

The idea of "hell" does not exist in the Hebrew vocabulary or sphere of life so as a result there is no Hebrew word for hell

Sheol and Hades are similar in place or location and in meaning,

Sheol or Hades is a place where both the righteous and the wicked end up in after death but separated by a gulf

Sheol, is in Hebrew language or Hades is in Greek language

It is safe to say Sheol is Hades and vice versa

Hell like similar imports into Christendom, such as Yuletide etc are myths from other people's cultures

Sheol or Hades and hell are different kettle of fish

The english word hell is not a good render of the word Sheol or Hades

because the righteous and wicked end up in Sheol or Hades albeit separated by a gulf

however supposedly only the wicked end up in hell with no righteous present

moredendisc: @Image123

You're a 100% correct, it is the Spirit of Truth that does guide one in separating false teachings.

Faith in any misleading translation does no one any favours

All Christians worth their salt are theologians

and would as directed or prompted by the Holy Spirit employ whatever means is necessary using lexicons, concordances, dictionaries and what-nots against false teachings or deception

Ubenedictus: IT IS D SAME TIN, HELL IS HADES AND HADES IS HELL ACCORDING TO D TRANSLATORS

moredendisc: @oiseworld

Use resources like lexicon, concordances etc etc; of course in-conjunction with the Spirit of Truth

to cross check the accuracies and genuineness of translated words, texts etc of each or whichever bible version used

and use to confirm whether or not the original Hebrew or Greek sentiments, intents, fact, aim, intentions etc were carried through.

Put the bibles and teachings through sieves

This will separate false teachings and doctrines.

frosbel: KJV cult member , you need a rethink of your false teachings.

Zikkyy: I agree with you on this one not completely sha, but i agree. It's not possible for everybody to learn greek just because we don't trust the versions in circulation. i can just imagine the 75 years old convert in my village (that can't even read or write in English or any language) attempting to translate from the original greek manuscript some people must rely on others and trust that the information being shared is accurate.

moredendisc: @Image123

Image123, my dear bro, the "having or burying ones head in the sand" stance na wa ooo.

" . . . make we see, or keep shut" is an ostrich-person refusing to face reality, the truth or accept facts.

Avoiding hearing the truth, especially when ignoring the truth, potentially could be dangerous, is not healthy

The word of God in its original Hebrew or Greek texts is unique (i.e. it is impossible to have an absolute translation)

The reality is that the bible is not exempted from error

because the various bible translations were done based on the widespread theology at the particular translating time or also based on individual religious beliefs and theory

so the need to speak, plead, or argue in favor of [size=20pt]using resources like lexicon, concordances[/size] etc etc of course in-conjunction with the Spirit of Truth

to cross check the accuracies and genuineness of translated words, texts etc of each or whichever bible version used

and confirming whether or not the Hebrew or Greek sentiments, intents etc were carried through.

Every Christians should be putting bibles through sieves

This will separate false teachings and doctrines (e.g. like the introduction of phantom words like hell for Sheol and Hades, among a lot more others into the bible)

# There are a lot more than the eyes see

Goshen360: On the highlight....that's why I like to dey open my snr brother yansh for public...... . So that him go caution him wahala making.... . Abeg no take am too hard o, just joking. How body? Are you getting ready to come minister for my church for Yankee? But no bring wahala sha o,

JeSoul: ^snr bro, jnr sister doesn't get it...

frosbel: Lazy student , go online and do your research

JeSoul: I have a bit more time these days...posting frequency usually fluctuates. It must be rainy season