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can any man stop Jesus, the chief teacher of hell?

I remember solemnly warning muskeet to desist from the path to backsliding but he didn't heed. each individual makes his own decision of spiritual life and death, and has no one else to blame on the last day.

I'm a student, not a scholar.

a Christian is one who has tasted of the grace of God and is now living a new covenant life, haven repented of sin.

Tithe things.

hahahaha, the asides was, well, aside. my mistake.

yep i get. Though the church is often typified as a bride or virgin, while other nations/countries are synbolised by woman /her. As an aside, i read the sun AND moon under, and i think you mean Rebecca,

Genesis 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. 37:10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? 37:11 And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying.

keep this passage in the frame.

my oga, HAPPY NEW YEAR. Nothing unusual or bent in your post. No qualms about your phone browser.

no comments, sorry my friend.

the reason is the need to break the fast. You set a time to break the fast, nothing rigid. Its as the Spirit leads.May even be 12noon, or any other time fixed. Some fix 7pm, 4pm, 4:30pm, 9pm etc

hmmmm, saddening questions.

frosbel: It means exactly what it says, on the day of judgement they will have to endure a more intense degree of punishment, which does not negate the end result of extermination. You seem to see 'hell' everywhere in the bible, could it be , because you are stuck with the KJV bible version and don't even bother to use a lexicon or other related tools ?

you are lying shamelessly. i've quoted more bible versions and translations than you on this thread. the evidence is there for all to see. keep your grouse with the kjv to yourself.

Reyginus: No. That's not my point. We are not saying the same thing. My point is that since that's not the kind of demarcation in greatness christ is about, doing it is self-exaltification which the bible is against.

i'm not having this argument. You are not the arbiter of demarcation or measure of self exaltification and whatever else grammar you want to post.

frosbel: Are you even a Christian ?

You seem to have a real problem understanding the simplicity of scripture. Forming a whole theology of immense importance on just one parable is dishonesty at the highest level. Try comparing scripture with scripture next time.

At best , your insistence on this doctrine smacks of as sadism and is a doctrine of demons !

why not answer the questions? Here they are again,
So, Are Bible parables not truth? Are they lesser truths? Mention some of Jesus' parables that are impossible? What is your[b] point about parables?[/b]


you are challenging Luke 16? Miracles fly in the face of logic? The resurrection flies in the face of logic. So also does the virgin birth, feeding five thousand with five loaves. It is called WONDER. Jesus Christ, the creator of hell fire, and its chief teacher is called WONDERFUL. That's one of His names. Little wonder, John the beloved was left in wonder almost all through the Revelations. Perhaps what he was seeing was constantly flying in the face of logic.

deebrain: Please u will do yrself a great harm by bringing yr attacks to me. U quoted something that Jesus was refering to cities that would refuse the disciples gospel when he sent them. He is saying that the destruction of those cities will be worse than sodom(sodom will be child's play compared to them).
And this actually happened to many of the cities.
Sodom was physical destruction. Those cities were destroyed by the romans.
And please, for the final judgement, It is humans that will be answerable to the lake of fire and not really cities or countries.

No my friend, we too can read english. This again is what Jesus actually said.
Luk 10:12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.
"It shall be" is future, not past, not present. In the future, it shall be more tolerable for sodom. the final judgement of sodom will be more tolerable than some other folks.
Mar 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city.

In other news,
Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and, behold, a greater than Jonah is here.
Mat 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
The teaching is that every generation will rise in the judgement day, including Sodom. And when i say Sodom and Gomorrah,i'm talking about its inhabitants. It's like when scriptures talk of Israel or Egypt, it is referring to the inhabitants.

Reyginus: No. You supported those chairs are no problem.

yes, they are no problem. You just implied that it doesn't signify anything in God's eyes. It is not a measure of greatness, so they are no problem. But folks are seeing them as problem on this thread.

frosbel: A Parable is an illustration, a real time event is an event which happened, complete with location, time, witnesses, observers and reporters.

You seem to be getting muddled up on this.

So, Are Bible parables not truth? Are they lesser truths? Mention some of Jesus' parables that are impossible? What is your point about parables?

frosbel: lol, if you believe Abraham was at a short distance watching, with other saints, the torment of this MAN while enjoying the bliss of paradise, I cannot help you any further.

Firstly, it flies in the face of logic , because :

1. Souls do not exist outside the body because when a MAN dies, he ceases to be called a SOUL at this point.
2. Even if we pretend that a SOUL exists outside the body, it cannot have the same sensory organs that the body has, such as taste , touch with a finger etc. To suggest otherwise causes a total breakdown of logic and order.
3. It erroneously suggests that the rich MAN was sent to eternal torment

you are challenging Luke 16? Miracles fly in the face of logic? The resurrection flies in the face of logic. So also does the virgin birth, feeding five thousand with five loaves. It is called WONDER. Jesus Christ, the creator of hell fire, and its chief teacher is called WONDERFUL. That's one of His names. Little wonder, John the beloved was left in wonder almost all through the Revelations. Perhaps what he was seeing was constantly flying in the face of logic.

frosbel: 3. It erroneously suggests that the rich MAN was sent to eternal torment prior to judgement, even when the bible says that there is only ONE judgement ( the great white throne judgement ) , after death judgement (Hebrews 9:27) and not before.

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
The angels in this passage are in hell, in chains of darkness, but not yet judged. God, who is not a respecter of persons can very well do the same to humans before judgement.

frosbel: The KJV cult consists of ALL those who take the KJV to be the only inerrant word of GOD and create the false impression that all other bible versions are false.

This is the stuff of fanaticism.

So, why did you accuse me of being part of this cult you are introducing?

frosbel: SATAN is on the earth Pal, he is not in HELL, he has been delivered to everlasting chains of darkness reserved unto the day of judgement. He is away from the light of GOD and engrossed with the darkness of God's absence.

The bible says SATAN is on the earth, you appear to know something quite contradictory and different.

2Peter2v4 is not talking about satan the devil, the angels in that passage are in hell, or are you saying earth is hell?
2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment

frosbel: ah , okay , so it is only SOME angels who are being punished now , not ALL , no ?

Stop changing your position.

kindly prove the change of position, or repent of your sin of lying.

frosbel: as explained, there is only one judgement for MAN and that is the great white throne judgement, not some silly interim judgement prior to the main event.

What is the great white throne judgement, and where is this phrase and act found in the Bible?

frosbel: "28 “Don’t be surprised at this. A time is coming when all people who are dead and in their graves will hear his voice. 29 Then they will come out of their graves. Those who did good in this life will rise and have eternal life. But those who did evil will rise to be judged guilty.

30 “I can do nothing alone. I judge only the way I am told. And my judgment is right, because I am not trying to please myself. I want only to please the one who sent me." - John 5:28-30

The above scripture clearly confirms that :

1. The DEAD are in their graves
2. At the voice of JESUS at his second coming, they will come out of their graves
3. Some to everlasting life
3. some to judgement

Try to stop hyperventilating and learn.

Well, not all the dead are in the grave. Not everyone is buried. Else, death and the sea will have no dead to present as they did in Rev20v13. Other scriptures balance and explain to us that some dead people are in paradise, and some will join Jesus at the sound of the trump. The dead sinners will not hear the voice of the archangel.

frosbel: lol, you really are turning scripture upside down and do not seem to have a clear grasp of the meaning of these verses you keep quoting randomly and out of order.


Go and Learn.

Rabbi, explain the verses then.
Luk 8:31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.
Luk 8:32 And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them.
(ALT) And he kept imploring Him that He would not command them to go away into the bottomless pit [or, abyss].
(GNB) The demons begged Jesus not to send them into the abyss.
(GW) The demons begged Jesus not to order them to go into the bottomless pit.
Why are they begging since they knew it was not the time? They knew what you refuse to know. They knew some of their colleagues were in hell, waiting for THE TIME of judgement when they will move to hell fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. they knew Jesus could transfer them to the hell/abyss, and they knew the time of hell fire was not now. It's your choice to remain ignorant of this.

Reyginus: I don't think you are correct Image123. Why I said so. We may not be equal in the sight of God but inequality to God is not to be characterized by the size of the earthly things we occupy, but the spiritual role we play. Sitting on big chairs is not the kind of greatness christ taught. The person you call an elder may not be such in the sight of God due to his poor spirituality. Material things don't indicate greatness, but the level our spirit occupy in the scheme of things of God is what matters. So, no chair signifies anything here.

you are the one making the chair significant here.

TroGunn: Note Jude1:7 - "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire".
Of course these cities are still not burning today, but reference to eternal fire means that what happened to them will be an eternal reminder to others, as an example.

Same principle applies to lake of fire.



These verses place does not show that Jesus was even touched talk less of destroyed at the time - it only speaks of those who were seeking to destroy him . Wanting to destroy someone doesn't automatically mean they are destroyed. How you managed to reach the conclusion that Christ was destroyed based on these verses is baffling.



Here's the full message in Heb 2:14-15- "Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death".

Clearly Christ broke up the power of the devil over those who believe in the Christ and freed them. And such ones will have eternal life - John3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life". Over believers, the devil has no hold.You needed to quote part of the context so what was destroyed or broken up became clear.

And 1John 3:8 - that he might destroy the works of the devil. points to something still future, hasn't happened yet.



Not quite clear, how will death and grave not be destroyed, but defeated/ruined/caged? Does it mean fewer people will die then and go to the grave or people will half-die and be in half-graves? Are death and grave being punished for their sins too in the fire?

Kudos for the response.

it's the likes of you and deebrain that are bringing moi back on this thread. lemme see.
The cities of Sodom and Gomorrha are not burning literally today but the inhabitants are alleged sufferING the vengeance of eternal fire.
(Darby) as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities around them, committing greedily fornication, in like manner with them, and going after other flesh, lie there as an example, undergoing the judgment of eternal fire.
(BBE) Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the towns near them, having like these, given themselves up to unclean desires and gone after strange flesh, have been made an example, undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
(WNT) So also Sodom and Gomorrah--and the neighboring towns in the same manner--having been guilty of gross fornication and having gone astray in pursuit of unnatural vice, are now before us as a specimen of the fire of the Ages in the punishment which they are undergoing.

When the Bible says "hear o Israel", its not referring directly to a city or a country, but to the people/inhabitants of Israel i.e the Israelites.
The people seeking to destroy Jesus were seeking to kill Him, simple. How that baffles you is beginning to baffle me. To destroy is to defeat, put an end to, or terminate. They wanted to kill Him, end His life. The point is that they did, they killed Him. He said if they destroyed Him, He will build it back in three days. They did, and He did.
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
Am i still expecting an argument on something so plain and commonsense? sadly, yes.
The word 'destroy' is used in several other versions/translations. So Jesus came and destroyed the devil. It is the same language used and translated in 2Thess 2v8 and agreed upon by MANY scholars who know more than us, that destroy is the appropriate english word or equivalent. Christ's death was to destroy the devil, says Hebrews 2v14, and Christ's manifestation was to destroy the works of the devil. Christ was destroyed, manifested and died, but it is not resulting in non existence of Christ or of the devil. Christ destroyed the devil about 2000years ago, that is the gospel.
Luk 1:74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
Luk 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
Death and hell will be caged/defeated in the sense that they will be rendered powerless and incapable of holding men or anything again. There will be no more death/dying. Everyone would live in eternity, eternal damnation or eternal life.

Very Sorry to crash-end this party, we are all enjoying it BTW. But with the way things are going, logicboy would soon share his testimony of how he also saw the light, and whatever nonsense again. My point is are we truly born again, saved by grace. What are we saved from? ARE WE SAVED FROM SIN? Because that is the first promise in the new covenant, that He will save us from sin. Are we still under the claws and jaws of sin and satan? If any man be in Christ, if any man be born again, he is under grace. He is not expected to still be operating under the law of sin and death, but under grace.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Sin shall not have dominion BECAUSE you are under grace. This is the purpose of the new testament. In the old testament, they also had forgiveness of sins, so being born again is not just about forgiveness of sins. Its not primarily about healing either.
Psa 103:2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:
Psa 103:3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

i know we all have our different theologies, and i respect that, especially when we are not forcing it into others on a public forum like here. But theology doesn't save anybody. It doesn't make anyone born again. Being born again is the core of the new covenant. It is the grace and truth that came through Jesus Christ. That we should live a godly life in this present world.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Sin shall not have dominion over you because you are not under the law but under grace. The question to be asked each person is are you under the law or under grace. If sin still has dominion over you, you are under the law. And vice versa. i don't intend to go on in a sermon, but please. Bother to ask yourself this pertinent question, am i under the law or under grace? Does sin still have dominion over me?

oh just saw this. You are welcome

davidylan: Very good explanation. It is ok to say i was wrong on this one. thanks for the exposition.

davidylan: You seem rather confused. the christian standard is that the husband is the HEAD of his home.
The christian standard in the church is that ALL (at least all who have attained the age of accountability) are equal in his sight. Acts 10:34 tells us that God is no respecter of persons... whether you're the church pastor cleaner... all are equal in his eyes.

So how is the christian standard not applied in every case here?



I'm sorry but this is not a serious response. The priests were elevated in the old testament solely because of the dispensation of that time. The people were not allowed to approach God individually but had to go through the priests (who acted as intermediaries)...

Under the dispensation of grace, the veil has now been torn from the temple... and all are now able to approach Him in faith. Acts 10.

n the church, we have elders and even fathers. John was an elder. There were chief apostles even. Paul did not consider himself equal to other apostles.
1Pe 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
Why is Peter talking about elder and younger if all are equal in everything? The elders are leaders anf shepherds to the flock. Christ is the Chief Shepherd/Bishop.
2Jo 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
John made a conscious division between fathers, young men and children in the house of God.
1Co 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
i don't think Paul was the least, neither do many consider him as the least. Most would even argue that he was the greatest. The point is that they were not equal. They were one in unity, and the church is to be one, united. But equality, i verily doubt. i'm not equal with Paul the apostle, and i wouldn't deceive myself into thinking that God would regard and reward us the same. We can both approach God, there is no discrimination in matters of grace and salvation and righteousness. But in matters of ministry and offices, there is differences. Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all have THE BEST gifts? DO i need to quote the scripture that says something similar? ok
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet show I unto you a more excellent way.
First, Secondarily, Thirdly, those are not terms used to describe equality. Best gifts means some other gifts are not equal.

Talking about respect of persons, this is what God is saying below,
Deu 1:17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.
It is a question of judgement. Its a matter of partiality. Because someone is your friend, or rich or relative, or has offered gifts, then you become unfair in judgement between him and another. This is wrong. It is different from respecting your elders or those in authority. We are to honour them.
1Pe 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
Sitting in an elevated place is just common sense. Its easier a large audience to see and hear who is speaking. Thank God at least that Jesus did it, we for no hear word. Jesus often went to an elevated piece like on a mountain and the people would be below, Or He will stand while others sat etc. Someone is asking about if sitting in a particular seat is christlike, i'm like, do these folks even know what it means to be christlike at all? Being christlike is not just doing all the physcical things Jesus did, it is having the Spirit of God and doing the will of God. Jesus walked on water, it doesn't mean it is a christlike thing to walk on water, even as the scriptures say to walk even as He walked. Its ridiculous to conclude that we are to walk with the same gait/stride/bounce, or to feed five thousand. Some churches think it is the christlike thing to wear a long white robe. It is the same spirit of interpretaton that folks are introducing here. There was an issue in the early church, everybody did not come together to solve it, they were not all equal. It was the apostles and elders that came together to solve it.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
Some people are guides, some are not. Give the guides their place.

davidylan: If everyone is equal then what is the purpose of chief seats?

I love that word IF that you used. We are not all equal, sorry. I DON"T COUNT MYSELF HIGHER THAN ANYONE BTW. i think it is fallacious to say that we are all equal. i understand that we all have equal opportunities, as in we can all come to God boldly, obtain grace, salvation etc. But God doesn't consider all humans as equal. John baptist is not equal to Isaiah, John is greater in God's eyes.
Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
This passage shows that humans are not equal in God's eyes. i am not equal with a sinner, God forbid. i don't consider them as lesser humans or useless but we are definitely NOT in the same class. Actually, the Bible says not to be equal with them even.
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
God enjoins us to recognise authority everywhere, in the home, in the government and in the church. i am not equal with a king, i am not equal with my father. He is not my mate. i am not equal with the president or the governor. And i am not equal with my elders in church. My elders are WORTHY of double honour, i am not.
1Ti 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially they who labor in the word and doctrine.
You don't treat an elder the same way you are to treat a younger. THEY ARE NOT EQUAL.
1Ti 5:1 Rebuke not an elder, but entreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;

Even in Heaven, John beloved saw some people seated on thrones, and some people standing. Everyman is according to his work. It'scrazy the respect and regard we have for our primary school teachers, but we think our spiritual leaders don't deserve anything. Many never question that the class teacher's seat is different from the pupil/student's bench or desk. In many churches, its usually an issue of buying bulk number of plastic chairs for the whole congregation because of space, cost and design. Then in the front area, they usually have more comfortable chairs. The officiating minister(whoever it is) sit in those seats in front,while others seat on the bulk. Its that simple, and normal in every place including outside church. It's a shame that it is been question only in the church. just like its a shame that my post would not be looked at roundly, but folks will seek to pick phrases(not politically correct) to dwell on. If a pastor is not officiating on that day, they would likely sit with the congregation. Both poor and rich members of the church sit on the same types of seat so its wrong to misquote James here. Sometimes or some places have reserved seats for first-timers and/or imminent VISITORS. There is nothing wrong with that. It could be just a reserved seat in front, same type as the others. It may be more comfy seats, it may be rice and biscuits, it may be simply clapping for them, whatever. All that is reception and not critical issues. Why did they clap for some and not for everybody? imagine some ridiculous questions we sometimes ask? What James is talking of/hitting at is partiality or preferential treatment in judgement.
There is nothing strange in a person that is teaching to take a position or posture different from those hearing him. He may stand while others sit as is often the case. He may sit while others stand. He may be up in an elevated area or down like in a theartre like building.
Mat 13:2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
Imagine if a pastor sat today while the congregation stood, some folks will perhaps go berserk. There are of course instances where Jesus stood and others sat, and where they all took same postures. And on and on.

JeSoul: I'm organizing a party.

For brothers Goshen, Image123 & sister Plappville

fingers are crossed on this, leg crossing on my mind.

plappville: Did I say they shouldnt sit, are there no seats in the church? Must they sit at the alter?Christ is made it plain. NO be me write am....

my dear they can seat anywhere. they are the leaders of the church. You are close to telling them not to sit, not there yet but close.

plappville: How is it GOSHEN that did the tagging? the op mum and many comments here did before @Goshen came in!

Well, you referred directly to me to stop tagging. Now you are saying its the OP's mum, like she's here to defend herself. i've continously hammered that it is a contextual issue, and each person and society's preferences should be respected as it does not contravene God. Goshen has been trying to tie the practice to salvation and to one's eternity. i never said crossing legs or not makes you saved or unsaved, or will make one get to heaven or miss heaven. But gosh keeps talking about 'the gospel' or 'scripture' like a kid. Its a matter of right and wrong in societal context. Like again, it is considered wrong to slam the door. If you did it in most premises here in lagos(church or no), you would likely be frowned at or corrected. What scripture says stuff about slamming doors. So, must we slam doors on everyone because the Bible didn't write thou shalt not slam the door? If you slammed the door in church, and someone mentioned something about not slamming the door in the presence of God, what is wrong with that correction? Must all correction in church premises be about heaven and hell, or sin? The FACT has been stated, and it is that most people consider crossing the legs wrong in this part of the world. The leg crosser in front of superiors is often considered as lazy or proud. It's similar to putting legs on the table, or even flatulence. It's general etiquette over here.

plappville: Than you guys should stop tagging God to it. He did not says It is wrong, neither did He expect such to offend any free human being!

who tagged it to God if not goshen? can you quote me tag it to God or you just assumed that i did?

Read me a lullaby, did frosb just call a fellow human being a true Christian?

plappville: You have not provided why crossing of legs should offend others

We have all kind of people with different culture/tradition in our church, But everyone can not bring his/her tradition and impose it on others.

If he/she does, He should be able to prove it from the Scripture!

i don't need to. The point from the start has been that of bearing with others. When you bear/forbear, it's not about why are you offended since I'm not. You need to grow up enough to realise that one man's meat is another man's poison. The issue is to realize that it is Mr A or society A's poison. Even if it is your best food, respect that it is your 'brother's' poison, and stop serving him, quoting bible.

Eko Ile: If you are sincere, you should be able to show us what N1.4 trillion was spent on apart from the roads in one single town that I can count on my fingers.

i stay in Lagos mr. But I've been to akwa ibom, and you should be there too if you're intent on perceiving reality.

Pastor Kun: You also need to repent, give your life to christ and stop supporting those who are abusing the church of christ from within. Imbibing a greeting culture when your heart is still very corrupt is false humility and would further expose you as a hypocrite.

good morning KunleO, how are you doing? HAPPY NEW YEAR. Same to you. How are your wives and children? how is your BP sir? And how's your health? Morning again, this is good day to us all in Jesus name.