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deebrain: Who, i pray thee, is the chief hell fire preacher...?

Jesus

Dibangoking: examples in the available songs in the music industry(be more specific)

spiritual songs e.g How great thou art.
I don't really know carnal songs but you'll probably hear alot on the radio and tv. The world loves its own.

Logicboy03: What did the Jews have that they didnt fail? Mtchew

Abraham, they had Abraham. can you read?

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I've shown you reasons and instances of praying loudly, even by Jesus the one you think is against praying loudly. Why pray at all, even in whispers when God already knows what you want? you think He didn't know what Jesus wanted? You think He had brain loss when He commanded folks to cry aloud and spare not? I'm not interested in endless talk, I've done what's required on the thread.

Logicboy03: lolz, so god failed in delivering his message to all mankind- only Jews got the message?


Your comment reeks of racism and ignorance

On the contrary, man failed to receive the message.

Goshen360: Abeg, stop this sentiment. I'm not talking my 'personal' thoughts here. Every truth must be established from the word, our constitution otherwise you are promoting a gospel such as everyone can do as they deem fit, if such is spread then we have no Lord over us. The same Christ is preached to all and is One Lord that reigns over all.

The op saying It's bad is obviously not very convinced and she asked, is it that bad. If she sees it completely bad, she probably not bring it up here. She is an adult and knows what's but is it that bad in the presence of God? Did God tell any of us such is bad?

This is nonsense. 1 plus 1 equals 2 is truth and does not need to be established by quoting bible passages. i've insisted that we are not referring to the gospel, or sin, or heaven and hell here. If you think crossing your legs affect your eternity, that is your personal thought. Dirtiness is bad, too much salt in food is bad, collecting something with your left hand is even bad over here in my area. i respect that, and i don't unnecessarily offend others with that because i have knowledge. The OP said she obviously knows that are action is bad, you say she's obviously not convinced. Well, God is watching as they say. . Did God tell those folks that it was bad for them to sell in His house before He whipped their backs literally? They knew it was bad contextually, but they were probably looking for where to establish it first like you.

dorox: I have seen too many faith liars to simply take someones word about their story as fact.
The few such stories i have investigated proved to be a lie that is why i will continue to believe this one to be no different until proven otherwise.

suit yourself, i believe it. As i said earlier, you are on your own.

nep2ra: When you read through the Bible, you will find the Jews playing a prominent role in the scheme of things. In the Old Testament, God communicates with the Jews, sends messengers of Jewish descent, passes instructions and commandments to the children of Israel (who are Jews) and reveals Himself and His ways to the Jews. Flip over the the New Testament, the story is the same. Jesus of Nazareth is a Jew. His disciples are all Jews. Apostle Paul who wrote two thirds of the New Testament is also a Jew. The writers of the remaining part of the New Testament are all Jews.

"Hmmmmmm" I say to myself. What is going on here? Does that mean God revealed Himself to only the Jewish race? Why do the Jews get preferential treatment above all other races on earth? Did God also reveal Himself to other races on earth? If so, are there written records of other races experience with God?

Of course He revealed Himself to the whole of mankind. They didn't get the message, so He chose the faithful obedient ones, and made them His hotspot for the whole earth. He revealed Himself to Adam, the father of the human race, the man no teach him pikins. They all got so corrupted except Noah. He revealed Himself to Noah again, and told him a similar thing as He told Adam to multiply. The man no gree hear, until He found Abraham and called him out of his family. God tested him severally and severely. He passed so much that he was promised that he would bless the earth. The rest is the history you wrote. God used Abraham's seed to form a nation, Israel and sent Jesus through that nation to bless the world.
Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

[quote author=x-fire]The Word of God has been seriously diluted in our days for personal and selfish gains. Are all churches getting into these - year of favour, year of double portion/next levels, year of joyful sounds, etc?
It seems most churches in Nigeria are purely for material success and prosperity. Bible verses are deliberately misinterpreted to deceive the followers and mislead them against God himself. Issues concerning righteousness, holiness, Christian suffering, spiritual blessings and maturity and uprightness have been pushed aside. Instead all we hear about are 'favour' 'divine manifestation' ' destiny' 'double portion' etc. No wonder ungodliness and get-rich-quick syndrome have increased in our days.
When will most Nigerian churches focus more of living their lives for God, rather than His gifts and material (but ephemeral) prosperity?
I am new in Lagos and I have been walking round the streets of Lagos looking for a heaven-focused church to attend but the ones I have seen so far appear to be the same - preaching worldliness, materialism, etc.
Please can somebody suggest a good and bible focused church to attend in Lagos? I'm based in Yaba.[/quote]Most churches are Bible believing na, its just that they don't believe some parts. If you're looking for a popular church around yaba, i'll suggest Deeper Life, Apostolic Faith, Winners, Redeem and Christ Embassy. i'll go more in favour of deeper life because of their consistency i.e you're likely to hear the same thing in any location unlike the others where some are more serious than others with a wide disparity. At best sha, let God guide you, the main thing na to please God, live a holy righteous life, and be ready for His coming.

She has not broken the fast.

oluagness: She prepared herself and ready to fast but mistakenly tasted her baby's food. Has she broken the fast?

Dibangoking: Hmnn.....Examples would be appreciated

Spiritual songs appeal more to the spirit. e.g psalms and hymns. Fleshly songs(what is called carnal songs or worldly songs) appeal more to the flesh or body.It's of little worth to the inside.

Goshen360: Obviously you are not treating the core issue...and that is, how does crossing legs be a bad thing in the presence of God That is the issue you should be addressing sir.

Are you blind? The OP said that she "OBVIOUSLY" knows that it is bad. She understands what she is doing, and is somehow of the opinion that it is a bad thing. Remember, i am not talking about sin here. Her church members think it is bad, she thinks it is bad, the right thing is for her to adjust. All this your gragra about where it is in the Bible is plain childish of you. Everyone has a (personal) relationship with God. David wasn't okay with doing something for God without it 'pinching' him, some people are okay. Some people prostrate to God as it were every morning, some don't. In the Op's context, they feel its wrong, leave them with that. If you like, you can walk naked to your own church without regard for others since it is God you want to go and see. Leave your own convictions to your self.

dorox: @Image123: Do your research, multiple birth (tripplets in this case) after many years of barreness is quite a common occurence with fertility treatment.
Infertility is a medical problem that affects many couples and in most cases can be treated with ease. It is no different from say malaria, appendicitis, asthma, or indeed any of the myriads of deffects and ailments we would normally seek medical help without shame. So why the cover ups, why the lies whenever couples are treated for fertility issues?
Until i begin to see less people in our crowded hospitals and an amputees limb restored, i will cintinue to insist that i have a near absolute chance of being right that the pastor couple lied and their miracle babies was indeed a miracle of modern medicine.

You're on your own oh. You can simply go further and ask to confirm instead of the usual arm chair unbelief. Do your investigations live. The couple are probably enjoying and basking in their faith as we speak.

JeSoul: Snr brother,
which language be dat now? Happy new year oh. I'm looking for big things from you in 2013

It's Ibibio oh, quite popular and meaning "How are you?"
God will help us.

ffo: Thanks Bro.

hahaha, i knew it.

[quote author=Atheist:-D]Ok.

Are you going to answer the quesrionm[/quote]i already did

I would like to get an accurate description from every xtian who chooses to respond what heaven will be like.

You may not get 'an accurate description' because John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.. Even if i have been to France before for instance, i may not be able to give an accurate description of France or Paris to my friends here in Lagos. One, we all have differing gifts and abilities of descriptions. It's even possible that someone who just saw pictures or watched a film gives a clearer description than one who has lived there for two years. The point here is that ability or inability to describe Heaven is not a proof that Heaven doesn't exist(as is your wish). Two, no one has been to Heaven and come back, except Jesus or God. So to describe Heaven in "an accurate description" as possible, you need to see what God says about it, that is you need the Bible.

1. HOW BIG IS HEAVEN? Will it have oceans, continents, hot and cold terrain? Can I get a tan if I am in hot weather for too long? Can I go skiing and bob sledding?

Heaven is bigger than planet earth. The Kingdom of Heaven has the New Earth in it, and the new earth has no sea.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

You would have perfect weather in the Kingdom of heaven.

2- WHAT CAN WE DO THERE? Most of what we do is linked to society, with morals playing a big part.
Will we live in the current era, medieval era, antiquity or some sort of futuristic era?
What type of technology will exist? Bear in mind there will be ppl from different eras who would need to grasp the technology.
Will we have jobs? How will that work out? Will we need to educate ourselves to get better jobs or will all be chosen for us?

You will know all things.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

That's a whole lot of learning to do. You'll be like Jesus in the Kingdom of God, it's not a place for frivolities and irresponsibility. It's a vista beyond your wildest dreams. Put all the discoveries made in cumulative, and many more.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
The Kingdom of Heaven will operate on God's laws. It will be as it is in Heaven, Psa 103:20 Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.
We will live in Heaven's era which is more developed and better than any era earth has to offer. In Heaven's era, there is no sickness, no death, and life is beautiful for everyone.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Talking about technology, nobody came to earth with mathematics or calculus. All we know, we learnt. Everyone will have same privilege to learn in the Kingdom of Heaven. If Mungo Park was exposed to an iPhone, he'd use it. It's high-folly to assume that your generation is intrinsically more intelligent than any other. Without previous generations knowledge and research, we'd not be wherre we are today. Basic garri from cassava, or making amala, your generation never discover. We are still drinking and eating mostly what other generations gave us. Those who invented train, aeroplane, knife, wheelbarrow etc are not duller than your generation. My grandpa's clayhouse has outlasted many "modern" houses in Lagos.
Talking about jobs, there will be things to do if that's what you call jobs. But you won't need to eke out a living, or live from hand to mouth as is the major way today.

3-WHO WILL WE MEET? Will we meet ppl from all races and ages, periods in history? Will we age? Will women get pregnant? Will there be childbirth?

We'll meet everybody who "made" it to Heaven from Adam to the end of this world. There will be no aging as we will be like God.
Isa 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
i don't know about pregnancy or childbirth, but i don't think so.

4-WHAT TYPE OF ECONOMY?- How will the economy work? Any elaborate details please. capitalism, communism, other economic model?

Economy? i guess you mean buying and selling. There will be no buying and selling in Heaven. You will have all things at your disposal, and there will be peace and contentment. It's like God given oxygen, you don't buy it. You take all you need.

5-WILL THERE BE ECONOMIC BOOM AND BUSTS?

No crazy oscillations in Heaven. There will be prosperity for every person.
Deu 11:21 That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD swore unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.
The Kingdom of Heaven is a place of peace, multiplication and fruitfulness. That's why you're invited to share. This world is already out of place. All the earthquakes, sufferings and pain were not meant to be. A fullness of what was meant to be is what Heaven is.

So if it is not a biblical standard for instructions in the worship places, where make a law or an issue out of it. Whatever we cannot preach or teach anywhere, anytime is not the Gospel. I think a Christian sister can cross her legs if she knows she sits carelessly. This in itself is a way of preventing some kind of "exposure". Very soon, some worship places will start telling pregnant women not to sit down because they want to pray to God. Any pregnant woman can sit or stand up while praying IF she feel comfortable with it; there is no law against such. Let's not make too much out of leg crossing in worship places.

Ecc 7:16 Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?
Overzealous dey worri you. The christian life is not strictly pen and paper, black and white, by the letter. We are guided by the letter, but shouldn't let the letter kill us. Walk in the Spirit. All these where is it in the Bible principle, then even when shown in the Bible, you go start to give excuse. Here is what the OP said below.

mama bear: Plz I really need an answer 2diz...

Is it bad 2 cross ur legs in church?

I'm a catholic,I noticed each time I cross ma legs in church wich I do unconsciously, d wardens alwayz tell me 2 drop dem... Waz in church wiv ma mum 2day n she told me d same,I asked her y n she said I waz in d presnce of God, dat I knw buh could it be dat bad
I obviously knw dat buh 4 christsake I'm not sitting in front neida is ma dress short

Note the boldedS. It's not a question of SIN, or of Heaven or Hell. Some things can be wrong or bad, and not exactly be sin. Like i opined earlier, lateness is wrong(whether to school, work, appointment, church etc), wasting water is wrong, picking your nose in public is wrong, dirty habits are wrong. And you can be corrected for any of these anywhere. the fact that the correction was done in church doesn't demand a Bible verse. Where i live(Nigeria), crossing your legs is viewed as disrespect/pomposity/unseriousness. Even in school/class, its not done, they will tell you to put your legs down. If you're seating before your elders and you cross-leg, they will depict that you lack home training. It's a fail body posture in any interview room. It's considered lazy or arrogant. The OP said her dress is not short, i wonder why you are hammering on exposure. What the OP needs is self-control, a fruit of the Spirit. She should put her body under, and be more aware of her environment. She also needs love, another fruit of the Spirit, to take her church members and society for who they her, instead of playin "i don't see/know what is wrong with my actions". Not to forget meekness, another fruit of the Spirit, which would permit her to take simple instruction or correction without pouting and coming to NL to whine.
JeSoul, abadie? Happy New Year

Heb 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Isa 40:9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!
Lam 2:19 Arise, cry out in the night: in the beginning of the watches pour out thine heart like water before the face of the Lord: lift up thy hands toward him for the life of thy young children, that faint for hunger in the top of every street.

Many are of the opinion that praying loudly is wrong, hence the focus on praying loudly. Jesus Himself prayed LOUDLY when He had to. When you cast out devils for instance, as is supposed to be the characteristic of the believer, you don't just whine "come out you filthy devil". It's like telling your dog to go back(like Baba Wigglesworth remarked). Or when you have to really speak to a 'mountain'. Or you have a need desperate before God. Elijah was a man of like passions.

Ooops, i just saw this. E be like say this thread like to dey disappear. i hope you get born again this year.[quote author=Atheist:-D]Ok.

Answer the first five [/quote]

dorox: My friend, based on what you have said about the couple being "blessed" with tripplets after a long wait of 15 years, i can tell you with a high level of certainty that the couple are beneficiaries of fertility treatment.
Fertility drugs works by over stimulating the womans ovaries to produce lots of eggs per cycle as opposed to one, hence the prevalence of multiple birth compared to natural conception and other other types of Assisted Reproductive Technology (ART).
Your pastor simply lied by claiming it was God's miracle instead of modern science.
The same way my neighbor of long ago in Benin was advised by my sister to seek medical help after three years of trying with no luck. She took my sister's advice, got pregnant within a few months of therapy and gave birth to a boy and a girl. So you can imagine my sisters surprise to hear her give a completely different testimony in church about how she paid a kind of seed believing God for her miracle and claiming the prophetic utterance of the pastor helped her to concieve.
I can't understand why people lie in order to appear close to God

Well God still works miracles, and you can't say for sure that it was therapy since you don't know the person. Not everybody is your neighbour of long ago.

Dibangoking: so?

So, Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. Teach and admonish yourselves in psalms and hymns and SPIRITUAL songs. There are SPIRITUAL songs and there are unspiritual songs even if na Jesus Jesus dey shout all through.

ffo: No, you are not.
1. You can decided 2 b an adopted father.
2. U dont av 2 be my dad b4 u get a passport 4 me
3. i thought d reason y u were asking is cus u want 2 get me one

are you trying to exercise fate on me, hahahaha. you really need to travel round, get needed exposure, this year must not pass you by.

Highbros: did you witness any of their(paul and Jesus) miracles or work on earth? So how come you are boldly saying you know them??

do you know Jesus?
I've read of and seen their works and doctrines, same way I've read of and seen t.b's works and doctrines. it must be said that sleep is different from death.

ffo: I wont mind, if u can get me one.

am i your daddy?

Serendipity: Which is amplified version?

amplified Bible you'll see at Bible bookstores.

deebrain: They cant respond to u. Most "hell fire" preachers, sorry to say, read their bibles like newspaper headlines. So they get confused with posts like these and immediately try to see it as anti-christ.

you mean you asked the chief hell fire preacher and he didn't answer you?

Highbros: Good to see that Tb joshua now has so many believers on Nairaland. I can tell by the number of positive post on this thread, unlike before...

even if he has 991693 positive posts, one negative post from God falls his very life. Paul i know, Jesus i know, but who us this man?

plappville: Bros...I dey use phone, e no mean if the stand join body with the still na? (madam) image...123....

you dey laugh, this must truly be a new year. BTW, which one be bros+madam? i thought we borrowed 'madam' from your side, so you should know better?
happy new year madame

plappville: YES IT SOUNDs YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT JESUS HAS TO SAY....OYA, ANSWER THOSE KWESIONS PLZZZ.

i don't have time for that, ask my chief teacher abi you dey fear?

advocate666: r u 4 real?

hahaha you don meet your daddy for folly, joker?

plappville: Hahaha....that was smart of you, l mean standstill..

it's 'stand still' madame