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Christianity Etc › Re: "You Are Not Far From The Kingdom Of God" by Image123(m): 1:29pm On Dec 20, 2010

Oh no, not again InesQor

Christianity Etc › Re: The World Is Damned To End 2012 by Image123(m): 1:23pm On Dec 20, 2010

petres_007
Sorry i just saw this.
Well, the rapture involves the going up of saints, both the dead in Christ and we which are alive to meet Christ when the trumpet sounds. It was alluded to in John when Jesus said "I go to prepare a place, I will come again and receive you to myself that where I am there you may be also". Inbetween the rapture and the second coming is the Great tribulation.
The second coming is the period when Christ comes to dwell on earth a second time. The 'first coming' was when He dwelt among men for about 33years. Though we know He's been around before then and has appeared to many after then like He appeared to Paul. This 'second coming' to earth will last for about a thousand years, often referred to as the millenial reign. This time, He'll not come for His saints but with His saints as Jude alludes to. it's a coming to reign and execute judgement. Rapture is in the twinkling of an eye two people in bed and one taken, second coming is for a long while and every eye will see Him. Hope this clarifies.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Image123(m): 12:26am On Dec 20, 2010

Don't let us forget the beginning of this argument.

And what do you suppose is the 'beginning of this arguement'? Your shamelessness is becoming worrisome. So you go to hide behind the OP instead of addressing issues and the scriptures opened before your eyes. You've been shown that God forgives sinners, and that God will reward every man according to his deed, not just his birth. It's up to you to believe the Word of God above the error you cling to.

The bible didn't say a Christian cannot sin but rather, he does not make practise of sin.

1John 3v8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Image123(m): 12:07am On Dec 20, 2010

Can a man in a toilet pit get dirtier for sprinkling Sand on him? A man whose spirit is an embodiment of sin can not become sinful because of his conducts. The conducts are only a product of the nature on the inside.

So a convict cannot commit a crime? Your logic is flawed. Have shown you from the Word of God how God counts sin as a transgression of the law, not only as an inheritance. It's up to the reader to believe God's Word, which you conveniently ignored, ahead of your church doctrine.

There is a new kind of righteousness now in christ. Don't pour a new wine into an old wine skin!

A new kind of righteousness, right? The one your pastor teaches or writes on, of course it's newer than God's Word to you.

I am not a sinner with you . Jesus didn't die to produce sinners. He made us saints.

Saint no bi by mouth alone. Do you even know what the word means. You think it's just to repeat after me "i am the righteousness of God, oh glory". Then go on to live a life of 'mistakes'? May God open your eyes.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Image123(m): 11:46pm On Dec 19, 2010

emofine:
Hi enigma thank you for your reply and encouragement - very much appreciated.

Well the church I used to attend was so holy to the point sometimes I felt my long skirt is not long enough. It's as if I couldn't keep up with the holiness being preached, the bar is so high I thought I don't think I can achieve this - or maybe because I'm young an' all but my peers are youth leaders .

In my bid to try and keep up I've discovered I'm actually competing and I feel that type of christianity is so fake and limited because if I won this pseudo-competition then what other yard stick am I measuring myself against. To be honest I don't believe I can match Jesus - well he is the Son of God - so I didn't really want to emulate him in the first place, I even find fasting and praying difficult. I keep on faking my enjoyment when I'm in the assembly of others but deep down I can't go on like this. Today I never went to church again sadly, but I will definately make the effort next week

What you need is Jesus. Bible says all OUR righteousness is as filthy rag. You seemed to be trying so hard on your own, while others are using something called power. What happens is that when one becomes genuinely born again, he/she receives power. Jesus begins to live in and help the individual. So what he is doing with ease/fluently, you try to copy but struggle. It's like trying to run with a car, you can only try. But when Jesus comes, something new happens. He gives you power to become a child of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Xtians Can Be Annoying Sometimes by Image123(m): 11:28pm On Dec 19, 2010

Like cogicero said, 'everybody can be annoying sometimes'. Look for something else to blame for the meltdown. What with conductors screaming into one's ears-ojodubaga, ojodubaga and all sorts. What about neighbours that max the volume of their sound system to intimate us on the latest songs, not to talk of business people selling cds and renting out films on the streets. Road shows, carnivals, campaigns, adverts, someone making a call in the public, generators not to mention the ones that are left on all night, traffic, extracool talk, aeroplane passing over you every once in a while, two fighting, alarms that neighbours don't turn off on time, 'chinafones' etc.
All these and more constitute daily nuisance, its lazy to hold on to christians and say they are . .

Christianity Etc › Re: Disciples God Hates by Image123(m): 11:08pm On Dec 19, 2010

Jealousi jealousi na hin dey worry you

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (R.I.P Bawomolo). by Image123(m): 5:35pm On Dec 19, 2010

RvP has just calculated how his next injury will coincide with the barca matches. God help us. RiP

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (R.I.P Bawomolo). by Image123(m): 4:04pm On Dec 19, 2010

Tactically inferior!
Hmmm, very wise words.

Christianity Etc › Re: The World Is Damned To End 2012 by Image123(m): 3:24pm On Dec 19, 2010

Other promises include but aren't limited to these;
Revelation 3v10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
1Thessalonians 1v10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
1Thessalonians 5v9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
The rapture is what takes us(believers) out of the way, until the storm be overpast. There are going to be people who will be saved during the period of the great tribulation. They are as saved/elected as any other believer, and will also live eternally with God. But NOW is the period of grace, the easiest time, perhaps the best time to be saved. Now is the time of the gentiles. Christ is coming soon, to pick His church. Let's be prepared by living in holiness, and righteousness. Let's be watchful so as not to be found wanting when Heaven calls.

Christianity Etc › Re: The World Is Damned To End 2012 by Image123(m): 3:03pm On Dec 19, 2010

Okay, the great tribulation is a time of great tribulation. Oh yeah. It's different from what we see today. There is tribulation and trial in the world today, even Jesus said 'in the world, ye shall have tribulation'. All these are child's play, or better still, light affliction compared to The Great Tribulation. The suffering in this one is unparalled (Matthew 24v21).
The great tribulation is not the great white throne judgement. There's a 'millenial reign' inbetween the two. The great tribulation period is the time of God's wrath.
Revelation 6v16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Unfortunately, even the devil will not be smiling at that time (Revelation 12v12). There are reasons to suggest that believers would not be partakers in this period, some of the reasons are the promises of God.
John baptist hinted that it was possible to flee from the wrath to come. The escape route was/is repentance.
Romans 5v9 Much more then, being now justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Image123(m): 2:37pm On Dec 19, 2010

There is no bases for his forgiveness if he is not born again

Christ is the base for forgiveness of the sinner.
Acts 13v38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins.
Redemption/remission/forgiveness of sins are obtainable for everyone by the riches of grace. Jesus came to save sinners, Matthew 1 says He came to save His people from their sins. He told Paul that He was sending him to the gentiles that they may receive forgiveness of sins. He promised forgiveness for all sins, apart from blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, when He said "Verily" while speaking to the scribes and pharisees. He has power on earth, and in Heaven to forgive sinners. His words seem diametrically opposed to yours. Thank God i follow Him, not you or your pastor. He also said those born of God do not sin, even cannot sin. you say "A SINNER CANNOT COMMIT SIN". It's left to the reader to judge.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Image123(m): 2:13pm On Dec 19, 2010

Here was your question i think

If a sinner is right with God just by asking for forgiveness, why did jesus have to come? Let me ask you a question. If does nice things, without doing bad. Even though he hasn't received Jesus , is he saved?

Here was my reply.

Image123:
Repentance and forgiveness of sins go hand in hand. I didn't say they're the same. God forgives, you repent. A sinner is made right with God by seeking/asking for forgiveness THROUGH THE RIGHT CHANNEL. It's a channel of faith in the Messiah's atoning blood. Jesus came to atone/pay for/redeem us from our sins. He came to make an end of transgressions, that's what the blood of animals could not do.

Obviously, Jesus is in the equation above. The gbam you asked for in InesQor/Enigma's post is that God cannot command us to forgive sinners, and then refuse to forgive sinners. Enigma asked you two questions in that highlighted post, you're yet to answer. We all agree that we were all sinners by birth, it's funny that's all you're posting scriptures to support. What you don't know is that we are also sinners by deed, which i posted scriptures for, which you ignored. Do you really think christians, juju people,muslims and others are all worshipping and praying to the same God?

Christianity Etc › Re: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Image123(m): 1:51pm On Dec 19, 2010

Joagbaje
What's all these nonsense you've written all at once? 'a sinner cannot commit sin', what utter trash, so what does a sinner do, live holy? An offender cannot offend, what sort of revelation is that? When we come to remind you of your rubbish in a week's time, you'll start asking like a drunk fellow, "where did i say such nonsense"
Luke 7v37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment.
47. Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven.
48. And He said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.
Has God changed? Is it not Him that the psalmist says that forgiveness is with (Psalm 130v4)? Where in the Bible did you see that God forgave sinners in the OT but stopped in the NT? Is your church greater than Jesus who prayed for sinners on the cross of calvary, asking for forgiveness on their behalf? I just pray the rubbish you usually vomit will not condemn you, because by your words you will be justified or condemned.

Christianity Etc › Re: The World Is Damned To End 2012 by Image123(m): 1:33am On Dec 19, 2010

The rapture is the catching up of saints to meet the Lord in the air. It is quite different from the coming of the Lord. The second coming of the Lord is pronounced and well known. The rapture is a MYSTERY. It is not general knowledge. When folks like Jo say that an average member of his church know these things, you should understand that he's either ignorant and presumptuous or lying with his mouth wide open. We may not all know all d details of the rapture, the details never saved anyone btw. Knowledge/ignorance of 'rapture theology abi na eschatology' doesn't qualify or disqualify us for the rapture. It is clean hands and a pure heart that will see God.
Also, the rapture is unique in two senses. One, its in a twinkling of an eye, plus two, it is a catching up of saints to meet the Lord in the air. So one should not exactly shout about 7raptures or 12raptures, for there's truly one in the real sense.

Christianity Etc › Re: The World Is Damned To End 2012 by Image123(m): 9:54pm On Dec 18, 2010

Joagbaje:
This is how you should have responded since. . . .instead, you're busy knocking me on the head.

Ehya sorry, you've received so many knocks you feel dizzy. I don't think i've 'knocked you' on THIS thread sha, but watch.

Christianity Etc › Re: The World Is Damned To End 2012 by Image123(m): 6:25pm On Dec 18, 2010

InesQor:
@eyzhvntsn: YOU!

InesQor:
Kai I don lose touch with all this "rev" (revelation) attention-seeking tactics o! LOL

@Joagbaje:I see. So I see you agree there were raptures before Jesus was born too. Enoch and Elijah

Preaching this Sunday:
"I found something in the scriptures as I was studying in the midnight yesterday, and I said Wow! It's all in the Word!! Your eyes have to be opened! (speaks in tongues as the congregation anticipates the next words. Someone screams PREACH IT PASTOR!!!. ) Joagbaje continues 'Did you ever know that there was rapture, even before Christ was born? Ah! You need to read your Bibles! It's all in the Word!!'"

Mehn I don rusty with all this hype thing sha. . .

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Sunday go sweet oh, abi Joe?

Christianity Etc › Re: The World Is Damned To End 2012 by Image123(m): 6:20pm On Dec 18, 2010

i agree more with Jo on this thread, though not every sentence, 'as is characteristic of him, he has done'. But we seem to be on the 'same inclination' especially on pre.tribulation rapture and on 'prosperity'. It is God's plan that it should be well with us, that well being includes finances, both in no way limited or margined/zoned to it.
Psalm 118v25 Save now, I beseech
thee, O Lord: O Lord, I
beseech thee, send now
prosperity.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Image123(m): 6:00pm On Dec 18, 2010

Joagbaje
Enigma's post highlighted by InesQor is the GBAM.
And i thought i was quite direct here below? if not, restate your question pls.

Image123:
Repentance and forgiveness of sins go hand in hand. I didn't say they're the same. God forgives, you repent. A sinner is made right with God by seeking/asking for forgiveness through the right channel. It's a channel of faith in the Messiah's atoning blood. Jesus came to atone/pay for/redeem us from our sins. He came to make an end of transgressions, that's what the blood of animals could not do.

Btw, hope you now agree that God forgives sinners also?

Christianity Etc › Re: Xtians Can Be Annoying Sometimes by Image123(m): 5:55pm On Dec 18, 2010

cogicero:
everybody can be annoying sometimes so whats the point

Christianity Etc › Re: The World Is Damned To End 2012 by Image123(m): 5:52pm On Dec 18, 2010

InesQor:
Jokes apart, almost everything you say, Joagbaje, I have heard before. But this is new. Care to explain?

I think he's referring to the two prophets in Revelation who were taken up to Heaven in sight of everyone. Jo's penchant for the absurd attention catching is becoming a hobby.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (R.I.P Bawomolo). by Image123(m): 4:33pm On Dec 17, 2010

Barcelona, hmmmm. I'm expecting arsenal to win them somehow. What i can't say for sure is if they wouldn't cheaply lose after (maybe quarters) especially when you expect them to win.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Image123(m): 4:05pm On Dec 17, 2010

^^That's a beauty of a point hoping Joagbaje could also see it. Plus to that the RIGHT channel. One may be seeking for the true God in the grave, or through some sorry man. But we have only One channel/mediator, Jesus Christ the Righteous. Why go to scream for forgiveness on the broadway when The Way is there.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Image123(m): 1:37pm On Dec 17, 2010

And praying for forgiveness over such does not make a man right with God.If a sinner is right with God just by asking for forgiveness , why did jesus have to come? Let me ask you a question. If does nice things, without doing bad. Even though he hasn't received Jesus , is he saved?

Repentance and forgiveness of sins go hand in hand. I didn't say they're the same. God forgives, you repent. A sinner is made right with God by seeking/asking for forgiveness through the right channel. It's a channel of faith in the Messiah's atoning blood. Jesus came to atone/pay for/redeem us from our sins. He came to make an end of transgressions, that's what the blood of animals could not do.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Image123(m): 1:19pm On Dec 17, 2010

Joagbaje:
Image123
What you call poison is the gospel ~~truth~~. You need to grow up a little in your understanding of righteousness. It is not the wrong doing of a man that makes him a sinner. And praying for forgiveness over such does not make a man right with God.

If a sinner is right with God just by asking for forgiveness , why did jesus have to come?

Let me ask you a question. If does nice things, without doing bad. Even though he hasn't received Jesus , is he saved?

To the first bolded.
We should realise that we were all sinners by birth and by deed. You already agree with the birth part, so to the deed. Well, all HAVE sinned. All, do you believe that? Also, Jesus said your words(a deed) can CONDEMN you i.e not just your birth. The Lord also said there are things that make a human being unclean i.e a sinner apart from birth.
Matthew 15v

Joagbaje:
Image123
What you call poison is the gospel ~~truth~~. You need to grow up a little in your understanding of righteousness. It is not the wrong doing of a man that makes him a sinner. And praying for forgiveness over such does not make a man right with God.

If a sinner is right with God just by asking for forgiveness , why did jesus have to come?

Let me ask you a question. If does nice things, without doing bad. Even though he hasn't received Jesus , is he saved?

Christianity Etc › Re: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Image123(m): 12:27pm On Dec 17, 2010

eyzhvntsn:
What? LOL!!!

Na Joe and hin band dey teach mi greek small small jare. I no try?

Christianity Etc › Re: The World Is Damned To End 2012 by Image123(m): 12:21am On Dec 17, 2010

Ohhhhhhh no. I think i'll agree with Jo on the rapture being pre-great tribulation. Any which way sha, prepare to meet the Lord your God y'all.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Image123(m): 11:20pm On Dec 16, 2010

You've added another katakatalambano poison yet again Joagbaje. Forgiveness is not only for any particular sect. God is able to forgive sins. He forgave sins while on earth, and He is the same today and forever. If anyone is REPENTANT, God will forgive. Go and sin no more. Only believe.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by Image123(m): 2:45pm On Dec 16, 2010

Enigma:
@Image123

Where they are going with Psalm 91 is some convoluted false argument that the crucifixion/burial/resurrection of Jesus could not have taken place because that would mean His feet would have touched stone whereas the psalm says "lest you dash your foot against a stone".

The argument is so nonsensical it is not worth spending much time on.

Convoluted and Nonsensical. Thank you very much. Not dash foot against stone? Whata line of arguement.

Christianity Etc › Re: Only If Adam Had Asked For Forgiveness! by Image123(m): 1:58pm On Dec 16, 2010

great revelations ko, what with your poor choice of words(because i know you'll pull out the 'misunderstood' card)?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. by Image123(m): 10:48pm On Dec 15, 2010

LOL. Funny set of people. Styley styley ko. Your desperate questions chase away answers. imagine suggesting that psalm 91 refers to some muhamed. Did you really say psalm 91?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal Fan Thread: For Gunners Only (R.I.P Bawomolo). by Image123(m): 10:37pm On Dec 15, 2010

So a coach can be loaned then, THAT is your solution. Wenger cuts a defeated figure, he has done his best, paid his dues. A team doesn't need ALL its players to be at their best and take the game at the 'scruff of the neck' to win matches. Good tactics get results. Wenger will still tell his team to play the same thing all throughout the match. Arsenal will still try to pass into chelsea's net when they meet, shameless gaffer.

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