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RichyBlacK:
@davidylan must be a brainless charlatan! Haven't you heard of extraordinary rendition?

Extraordinary rendition and irregular rendition are terms used to describe the kidnapping and extrajudicial transfer of a person from one state to another, and the term torture by proxy is used by some critics to describe extraordinary rendition by the United States, with regard to the alleged transfer of suspected terrorists to countries known to employ harsh interrogation techniques that may rise to the level of torture. Critics have alleged the use of torture has occurred with the knowledge or acquiescence of the United States. However United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice stated in an April 2006 radio interview that the United States does not transfer people to places where they know they will be tortured.

This is one of the tools used to fight the nonsensical GWOT.

A juxtaposition of issues is one of the tools of the severely benighted.Extra-ordinary rendition,to the extent it happens,applys only to non-Americans.If what happened here is extra-ordinary rendition,then Eugene himself would not be American.Which raises the question,why you still think he is American.

Rendition has a purpose.To enable interrogation in countries where torture is common place.This presupposes that torture isn't commonplace in the US.Which undermines the contradictory claims of US critics who simultaneously claim that the US is a bastion of torture but practices rendition.What is the purpose of rendition if torture can simply be done in the US.?

Has Eugene alleged that he has been tortured or moved for the purposes of interrogation.If the "bereaved",Eugene,hasn't made such claim,where is the evidence that he was a victim of rendition?This is a product of the hyperactive conspiratorialist mangled brain of RichyBlack.

If Eugene hasn't alleged that he was moved as part of the GWOT,what then is the basis of suggesting that this is linked with the GWOT?

Copying and pasting from Wikipedia does not make up for a feebleness of mind

Islam and Islamic societies bore me now.Its completely depressing

No shaking!! hail to YAR ADUA. Like mckren said, we have been begging for fair trade for a while now, they can also let their companies have bases in Africa like they do in china and india where they don't have bases;

@naijaway

Under AGOA,Nigeria and other African countries enjoy preferential trade access to the US market that other regions don't enjoy.The Act enables African countries to export a wide range of goods to the US free of import duty.

Since AGOA was passed,US imports from Africa has increased by 50% and 98% of African exports to the US were duty free as at 2005.The legislation applys only to Sub-Saharan African countries.

Development aid has also tripled since 2000. All these points are probably a waste of time since anti-Americanism is based on sentiments not facts.

http://www.agoa.gov/agoa_legislation/agoa_legislation.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/30/AR2006123000941.html

davidylan:
The truth is deep down a lot of blacks blame God for not being born white. Another thing i have come to realise . . . those who cry about inter-racial relationships do so because they feel unfortunate not to be involved in one. Just watch the way black women treat their inter-racial children . . . u'd think they were made of glass!

There is incredible amount of self-loathing amongst Blacks,especially Black diaspora.Those who spout the mantra, "Proud to be Black",most, probably possess the most self-loathing

Most people and US governmental agencies that have a good understanding of Chinese capabilities do not regard as 3rd World in any way.

Abi,na the same Chinese people wey dey wash up on the coast dead,like that dead whale at Bar Beach.

@RichyBlack

They should be paying you a salary for boneheaded commentary.Such a rare fusion of paranoia and imbecility.

McKren:
I must be arguing with someone not in my league

I have a resource which other people want. The fairest thing they can do is to come and bid, negotiate etc to legitimately have it not to bully me or bully others so that the cost of that comodity will solely reamain the same or the commodity will only be available to them

Nobody is in your league. . . . .I'll be damned to find myself in your league.

In regards to your comments about resource.The US has a huge military base in Bahrain,does Bahrain sell oil to the US at a discount?It sells at the same price that Burkina Faso will pay.

Do Germany,Japan,South Korea,e.t c sell to the US at a discount? How does a US military base affect a country's resource.Please tell us. . . . . .and remember to consult Robert Redford.

Afam:
So a president saying that most of the imports are coming from abroad should be seen as making a grammatical error?

Mr Inverter,at worst,it is a mere tautolgy. . . .you can't compare that to,there are no gays in Iran.Iran just executed a homosexual a few days ago.

Coming to the UN to tell us about the wonders of the 12th Imam,is pure comedy

Lets draw back for a second. . . . .a simple question needs to be asked.Has the US ever signified the intention to establish a military base in Nigeria?

I might as well start a topic,I-man rejects CEO position with Microsoft.How can you reject what is not on offer?

zigbo:
well life as an illegal immigrant in the uk. . its not the worst thing on earth,its jst that most of the time u may ve to do nt necessarily do odd jobs but jobs that may be a little bit below your standard thats if u a graduate then most importantly u ve to distant yourself from anything that involves the police what i'm saying is u ve to be extremely law abiding, be at the rite place at the rite time. . . being law abiding can never be over emphasized.

Kind of an oxymoron. . . . . a law abiding illegal immigrant.

It all boils down to whether you think limiting competition is a way of improving the English game.A couple of decades ago,while English teams ruled the roost in European club competitions,the national team was still appalling.

The impression that by limiting competition,you improve the quality of the national side belies decades of under-achievement by the national side even when there were few foreigners.

However,there is still a danger that if in a few years,every club looked like Arsenal,featuring one or no English players.The national team coach will have only 11 or 13 players to choose from that are starting for their clubs.

babasin:
the handwriting is on wall. I hope we don't wake-up one day and $50bill reserve is worthless.

You dey complain about our $50bn,China holds $1.4 trillion of reserves.Other nations hold about $4 trillion in reserves.It is effectively in everybody's interest that the US dollar doesn't sink fast.

All we should do is diversify our reserves.While dollar might be falling today,because the economic fundamentals are more solid in the US than for the EU,the EURO might be falling in 5 or 6 years time.So you never know what might happen.The key thing is not to have all your eggs in one basket.

dayokanu:
Foster would keep for Man Utd? what won't someone hear on Nairaland.

What about those goals you said Rooney was banging in for Utd in 2003?If you don't know about Utd,simply keep quiet and learn,don't pretend you know more than you know.Not long ago,you told us only 3 Englishmen start for Utd.

presido1:
When did he gave up power? he was defited by the current. Check it out dude.

Aznar didn't even run for elections.The information is one google search away

Its like saying Clinton was defeated by Bush in 2000,did Clinton run for elections in 2000?If you can't get basic facts right,what do you know about more complex issues?

presido1:
What the gain more than Iran is cheap labour. Do you know that Tesco,Primark and Asda(Uk and US) pay workers in bangladish 5p an hour for working for them, upon that they forced to work 80hours a week. If they cannot protect their cheap labour force then they pay higher price in british high street store chains. Let me know what Iran benefits from bangladish.

Moreover they don't want to be seen as anti islam hence they rush to help playing international politics that favours them.

The quality of the debate on this forum can be so appalling,verging on the barely literate. Tesco doesn't employ people in Bangladesh.They simply buy their products from the most cost competitive supplier.Most textile imports come from China.If Tesco doesn't buy from Bangladesh,it will simply buy from others,whether Mauritius,China or India.

The idea that aid is sent to Bangladesh because of textile manufacturers is incredibly boneheaded.Why waste money on aid when you can simply buy the same product from other nations?

presido1:
If you hard followed the news well you will notice that the Spanish PM was telling Chavez to do things diplomaticaly because he called the last spanish PM a Facist. At the same time his King behaved even worst than Chavez himself. How can you tell somebody to sharrap in such an event. It shows how fullish people can be in supporting facism.

What makes Aznar a fascist any more than Chavez.Aznar was a democratically elected leader who gave up power at the end of his term.Chavez has been amending the constitution to allow himself to run for President indefinitely.A few months ago,he shut down media organisations critical of him.Did you see the demonstrations in Caracas?

Afam:
@dayokanu,
For starters we don't need aid from anyone because we have more than enough money to take care of our needs.

When we were begging for debt relief.We have more than enough money? Our revenue is lower than many corporations and many cities in Europe.

Afam:
After all Hugo Chavez is helping a lot of americans access very cheap heating oil and of course the main stream media won't tell you this.

I guess you watch the mainstream media in Alaba market while peddling inverters.Chavez's even pays for fuel for London buses,yet people in Venezuela are poorer than the poorest nations in the EU.Its like the 70s,when Nigeria was paying school fees for some Carribean students when the nation had many poor citizens and the Niger-Delta was undeveloped.

To even raise that last point,about the leader of a developing country,sending money to wealthy countries,shows that Chavez is truly a comedian.What next,you sending money to Dangote?

dayokanu:
@I-man You are really high!!! Foster would start where? on which side of the stadium? maybe on the supporters stand.

You are an ignorant schmuck.Foster was due to start ahead of Van Der Saar.That was why Utd were reluctant to renew Van Der Saar's contract.This is the EPL,not the Bundesliga.

The irony in Fergie's comments lie in the fact that historically,his team hasn't really featured that many English men.The Utd treble winning team will start-Becks,Scholes,Neville and Andy Cole-just 4.Giggs,Irwin,Johnsen,Stam,Keane,Yorke and Schmiechel were not English.

Even the team before that-Cantona,Hughes,Giggs,Kanchelskis,Ince,Keane,Irwin,Pallister,Bruce,Schmeichel and Parker-had only 4 Englishmen.Utd used to struggle in Europe because we had to change the squad every time we played in line with the 3 foreigners rule.We had to drop our best players from the starting line up.

Now,we have more English players assured of starting than since I started following Utd-Scholes,Hargo,Neville,Rooney,Foster and Rio will start if there are no injuries to be worried about.

sage:
@I-man
Why you just dey trash the bundesliga like that. Dont forget that only 6 years ago, the Bundesliga>>>>>> Premiership
Right now though the premiership has much more money
Football changes a lot
In the 1990's, Serie A>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other european leagues put together.

That's neither here nor there.We are talking of the present.If you want to go down memory lane,why stop at the 90s?Long before money started pouring into football,English clubs were dominating Europe.Notwithstanding the 5 years ban over Heysel and the after effects,English clubs have won the UCL 10 times to Germany's 6.

It was only during the ban and its aftermath that England lost its dominance in the club scene.Go and look at the records.This was a time when football was not dominated by money.

Beides Dayo is right to an extent.
Toni for 4-5 years now is the equivalent of what Drogba was last season.

Why do you people keep counting what someone did at Serie B. Toni has only had 3 seasons in the top flight.Last season he wasn't so good,he scored just 16 goals all season.The reality is,he has only had 2 good seasons in the top flight.You keep telling me what he did in Serie B,do you think if Torres was playing in the Segunda,he won't be banging in goals?

Luca has
score close to 100 goals in the last 4 seasons which one of those jokers you mentioned have even come close.

The only joker is you,who keeps counting goals scored in Serie B.Rooney,Torres and RVP are all round players.RVP and Rooney have played as many games as midfielders as they have played as strikers.The way you are looking at it,if given the choice between starting a front two,in their prime,of Zola and Baggio on the one hand,or Toni and Lucarreli on the other,you would prefer Toni and Lucarreli.

The Bundesliga is a disgrace Just look at the match between Schalke and Bremen,neither of them could string 5 passes together without losing possession and people still wonder why German clubs are now struggling in Europe.

dayokanu:
A typical Bayern side would start Kahn, Lahm, Klose, Schweinsteiger a lot of subs who can come in but Man Utd recently can't start more than 3 Rio, Rooney and Hargreaves, Chelsea would start terry, Lampard and anybody, Lpool Caragher gerrard just that 2 Infact Spanish would be the main language in the Kops dressing room

Why can't this deluded German wannabe stick to what he knows.After telling me about Rooney's exploits with Utd in 2003.A typical Utd side would start those 3 plus Scholes and Neville,even Foster was scheduled to be number 1 till his injury got in the way.Currently,Brown has been starting in place of Neville.If you don't know something,why can't you keep quiet?

Afam:
I am not a blind supporter of anyone or any nation like some of you here who will be ready to wage a war if any wrong doing by US or Israel is pointed out.

If Afam no mention Israel and the US,im never start to contribute

dayokanu:
Ronaldo joined AC Milan for $7.8million, Gianluca Vialli moved to Chelsea for $1 million after winning the UCL with Juve . Michael Owen joined madrid for 8 million from Liverpool. Viera went to Juve for 13 million

Ronaldo was not at the top of his game when his transfer came through.He was a bench warmer.Unless a striker warming a bench is your best idea of world class strikers.So you named 2 Madrid bench warmers-Owen and Ronaldo.You are such an idiot,Vialli was a 32 year old who wasn't even making the Italian national team for the 3 preceding years-the man was in the twilight of his career.Even an idiot like you should know that Viera is not a striker and that citing him doesn't even advance your claim.I'm sure you the difference between Euro and Pounds

Luca Toni has won the European golden boot does your moronic brain think any of those players can ever win it? Luca Toni has scored over 90 goals in the last 4 season an average of more than 20 per season. which of those you mentioned has ever managed that?

Kevin Philips has won the European Golden Boot,something neither Drogba,Van Nistlerooy or Shearer has managed.I guess that makes Philips a better striker than those 3.

Mario Jardel and Diego Forlan have won it.Ronaldo of Brazil hasn't won it.I guess Jardel is better than Ronaldo.

You asked an ignorant question about Torres,whether he has scored more than 15 goals a season.He has done so as many times as Toni in the top flight.What are you talking about Toni scoring in 4 seasons.He has only played 3 seasons in the top flight.This is only his 4th.

As for Kluivert and RVN.While Kluivert was in his early 20s,RVN was no where near him.Of course now,Kluivert is a shadow of his former self.But you have to a bit stupid to draw parrallels between Kluivert's present situation and Torres and Rooney.The last 2 are still in good shape and their pedigree is as good Toni ever was.To question whether Torres has ever managed more than 15 goals a season is ignorance in the extreme.

Kaka and Pato?Why compare a midfielder to a striker.A teenager to a 21 year old?I guess you don't know anything outside the Bundesliga,dumb German-wannabe.

Its not a question of how many players are added to a team.AC Milan was a quality side even in the season that Fatih Terim messed up their start.You can't compare Serie A to the mediocre Bundesliga.

Make dem knock England out,na wetin I dey wait for today.The xenophobic bastards will soon start quacking.Maybe they want to watch Sidwell rather than Fabregas.

@Anal-40

That your useless team suppose buy Englanders na.As una useless already,you might as well add some crappy English men to your team.

The key reason why Rooney will get richer than Becks is that there is more money in football now than when Becks started and football keeps getting richer.Rooney's wowoness won't get in the way.He is already fronting many ads like others mentioned.

He is playing for the best club in England and under the best manager.He can only get richer.

I heard Van Persie is planning to market date rap e pills.Na true?

Afam:
Unfortunately, the leaders in Africa have allowed this unnecessary killing to go on and it is not fair.

The southern Sudan can and should fight to have a separate state not just to remain alive in the larger Sudan.

But again China is doing to Sudan what the US is doing to Israel, protection based on selfish interests.

Had to drag in Israel and the US in a discussion about Sudan.It seems its in The Code that everything involves Israel.

@dayokanu

You are just a narrow-minded cunt.After informing me of Rooney's exploits with Utd in 2003.A teenage Lars Ricken in 1997,you would think someone who watches the Bundesliga will know Ricken's age in 97.

Every person with a brain knows English players move for inflated values.Bent is a 23 year old English man compared to a 30 year old French man.If Toni was so good all this while,how come at the age of 30 in Serie A,the biggest side he ever played for was Fiorentina? 11m Euros for a striker based in Europe reflects his true value.Name one world class striker who has moved for a similar amount after many years in a top flight league.Why didn't any of Europe's big clubs playing in the UCL come for him?Yes,Batigol stayed in Fiorentina,but then Fiorentina were a bigger club compared to now.When Gab eventually moved,he left for about £21m at the age of 31.Toni only started playing in Serie A,3 years ago,at the age of 27.

Your reasoning is appalling.Your IQ must be as low as Riberry's famously low IQ. Why are you comparing English players to foreign players?Or players who are not the same age?Any person with half a brain knows that if 2 players are of equal quality,the younger tends to move for a higher amount.Strikers are often more costly than midfielders,midfielders often more than defenders.Also,signing players from the Brazilian league is often cheaper than signing players from any of Europe's major league.That is why Shevy,a 30 year old striker,went for £30m.

When Toni was Torres or Rooney's age,he was still stuck in Serie B.2 good seasons later,he is suddenly one of the best strikers in Europe.The idiot is asking how many times Torres has scored more than 15 goals a season,he has done that 3 times in the top flight.This is as many times as Toni,at 30,has done in Serie A.

Bayern lacking depth cannot be refuted by searching for examples of major teams that started with with a teenager.You are just too stupid to follow an argument.Bayern lack depth in quality because going through the entire squad,most of the players are mediocre.They added 6 players and lost a few but the addition of 6 doesn't hide the fact that most of that squad couldn't finish in the top 3.

@Dayokanu

There is no point arguing with you,you are a nutcase!! You dey as narrow minded as those fans who watch only EPL and support Gunners.

So Toni is better than Torres and Rooney because of that one-off season he had? Has Henry,Van Nistlerooy,Drogba matched Kevin Philips record? Strikers have one-off seasons like that.Remember Forlan's first seasson in La Liga.Toni hasn't shown the consistency.That is why he ended up at Bayern at the age of 30.His market price was 11m Euros.

Riberry has one of the lowest IQ in football He is a good player but there is a reason he ended up at Bayern.

I have seen Toni Kroos and he is definitely no Messi,never mind Pele.Even Messi didn't get to start crucial games at the age of 17.So unless Kroos is a bigger talent than Messi,the analogy doesn't arise just like attempts to justify Walcott by refering to Pele never made sense.

dayokanu:
Would Evra bench Lahm? or would Rooney bench any of Toni of Klose tell me now. Which of those strikers RVP or Torres can never play ahead of Klose or Toni if they are fit.
Messi played UCL for Barca when he was 18 so what is the noise about? Chelsea vs Barca when Del Horno got red carded how old was Messi then or that game is not crucial? In 2003 Man Utd had Schole, Giggs, Keane in midfield.

Chelsea vs Barca was last year.

You mentioned Scholes and Giggs,you forgot Gary Neville and Solsjkaer.Abeg,which experienced Utd player was available to play on the right?

dayokanu:
You are welcome with your own suggestion. From above it shows that Bayern has more quality than all but one of the top 4 EPL sides.

I guess if you were supporting Etoile Du Sahel,you will claim that they have better quality in their squad than most of the EPL's top 4.What's the point of arguing with someone who thinks neither Evra,Scholes or Rooney could get into Bayern's "fantastic" 1st 11.Someone who thinks Torres,RVP and Ashley Cole are not good enough.

When Barca starts a game with

Bojan Krkic and Giovani Dos Santos that means they have a shallow squad right?

In all the games I have seen those two,they haven't looked like players who deserve to start yet.Mind you,Barca are struggling.If Barca were to start them in a game against the league Champions,Real,that would be incredibly stupid.

In 2003 when Man Utd was starting C. Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney in crucial games that

means they have a team without quality or when they play teenage Anderson?

I'm hearing it from you for the first time that Rooney was in Utd in 2003.When Ronaldo was starting at 18,which was his 2nd professional season,Utd lacked depth.Those were the days of Djemba Djemba,Liam Miller,Bellion,Forlan,Kleberson. . , that was the reason Ronaldo was featuring in the first place.

Anderson is a 19 year old who has featured for the senior national team.This is his 3rd professional season in football.Lars Ricken was 21 in 1997.Which crucial game did Messi start in the UCL at 18?

The invocation of Pele is hackneyed.I remember it was used to justify Walcott's inclusion in the World Cup.Unless Toni Kroos is the new Pele,which he obviously isn't judging from his performance,starting him in such a crucial game doesn't make sense.

That Bayern lack quality is obvious from the fact that they finished 4th in the Bundesliga against not so impressive sides like Sttutgart and Bremen.That they lack quality is obvious from the way they have struggled over the last few weeks.The verdict of what goes on on the pitch is more powerful than all the noisemaking we are doing here.

Of the 266 players that featured in the games at the weekend,179 players were non-English while 88 where English.Middlesbrough and Derby featured the highest at 8 while Arsenal featured the lowest at 1

The rest were:
- Birmingham-2 A.Villa-7
- Bolton- 4 Boro 8
- Chelsea-4 Everton 4
- Derby-8 W.Ham-5
- Liverpool-3 Fulham-1
- Man Utd-4 Blackburn--4
- Pompey-6 Man City- 3
- Reading-3 Arsenal- 1
- Sunderland-1 Newcastle-6
-Spurs- 6 Wigan-5