OvieE:

@ AjanleKoko, debosky and cap28

Why are you still arguing with people who needs brain transplan. Psychiatrist would have be the best choice for invisible and buzugee but since its lacking in Nigeria, brain transplan will just do it. IBB and off and on strikes really do tremendous damage to their and blinded in one side. I stopped responding to their posts.

invisible lived somewhere in Illinois according to his earlier post. He's deceiving you guys just like the way he doesn't know the states of Nigeria. As for buzugee, that doesn't lived in Nigeria my gits tells me. On page 22, his statement about those who scavenge barbages shows his delusional. Who on earth will have millions in their accounts and still scavenge garbages when they can take half a million and a car for small business. Life is about progress not degrating yourself you know. Why should I continue to scavenge garbages with millions just sitting in bank account.

Like I said before for invisible and buzugee. You need help.

Invisible is based somewhere in illinois? When I dont even own an inter. Passport? Wake up from your crack induced sleep.

Scavenging is serious business, people in Nigeria have found ways to scavenge through refuse dumps looking for useful scraps. They sort aluminium, plastics and other useful items which they sell to recyclers, (mostly small factory owners) it will not surprise me if some of them ride jeeps or have millions of naira in their accounts.
Same things happen abroad, ur brothers spend millions to visit abroad and scavenge through foreign dustbins, where do you think all those useless second hand computers, TVs, cars and electric irons were picked from?

debosky:



I stick strictly to washing deadi bodi. . . .it pays for my fast internet access and that's good enough for me.

PS - You've made a myriad of posts - a small minority of them made sense. No one supports the nonsense you're spewing in terms of the poverty levels in Nigeria.

Washing dead bodi sef no easy to get. More east Europeans are coming to take the jobs away. What do you say to my earlier post about comparisons b/w rich and poor in naija?

cap28:

I wouldnt call finishing a second degree a "misadventure" neither would i call gaining work experience, travelling around the world to understand about different cultures and languages a "misadventure", what i would call a misadventure would be spending years abroad and learning nothing from one's experiences.  Life is a continuous learning experience, sadly for many of our people who leave nigeria to go to the west their focus is mainly on materialism.  Perhaps im fortunate in that i did not have to keep looking over my shoulder worrying about the immigration authorities, in many ways many of our people are operating in survival mode and therefore i don't really blame them.

But thanks for your "heartfelt " words in your penultimate sentence, look forward to seeing you when i get there .

You don try sha, my anger is for those who just run away for the sake of running. Most dont know anything about abroad except that whites live there. Some dont aspire to improve themselves, all they think about is money like they have never eaten food all their life.

debosky:

If you go on holiday and then return to your own house does it mean you regretted going there?  

There is a clear lack of critical reasoning lacking here - any action is seen as confirmation of your pre-conceived notion that everyone who leaves the country is regretting it when they come back. The more you post the more plausible cap28's claim of educational deficiencies in Nigeria become.  

Its you that lack critical thinking and education, have you ever asked yourself why someone who critcised my posts will come back and support same positions? Please enroll in a night school after working your 5 jobs.

You have bias on your mind and your thinking is clearly pigmented. "The man who invented myopia!"

cap28:

the beauty of the internet is that anyone can come on here and claim to be a successful, multi talented whizz kid, its great because the internet provides escapism.  However on the other hand it can create unwarranted delusions of grandeur in the minds of certain individuals - i beleive that you are suffering from delusions of grandeur, in your delusional state you have actually convinced yourself that you had the opportunity to leave nigeria but chose not to - the truth is bitter my friend but it keeps you in touch with reality.  If you had serious self beleif as you call it you would not have spent hours on here trying to convince people that you are happy and content within that gangster run hell hole you call nigeria, lets face it you are in nigeria because you have no other choice, like i said the truth is bitter but try facing up to it once in a while - you will do yourself a big favour.

You also mention that you have good survival abilities - NEWSFLASH!!!!! - animals who live in the wild survive - human beings LIVE okay, it is the right of every human being on the planet to live with dignity and humanity by being able to have access  to food, shelter and employment - those are basics NOT luxuries but i can see that you have been conditioned to beleive that even having one of those things is a luxury - this is why i said earlier that IBB destroyed  the future of every young nigerian by cutting public expenditure on education, what you have now are semi illiterates like yourself who do not know their left from their right.

I am not under any illusions as to what nigeria is all about - i am aware that the place is a complete mess and needs a total overhaul all the way from the bottom up to the top, but if we stay here and just talk about change who is going to implement it.  

In my own case i have the choice to live in nigeria or live outside, i have chosen to make the move back to nigeria because i realise that europe and america are not really designed for the progress of non white people in general.

I dont even know how to educate you, you seem too 'far gone' for redemption. Lets keep the conversations general as getting personal will mean judging a person you have never met.
The only thing that gladdens my heart about you is that in your last sentence, you still chose to come back and belong in naija, proving that you regret all your misadventure over there. Welcome back home my prodigal brother. You just proved my arguments were right afterall.

OvieE:


invisible and buzugee are not Nigerian so let their ignorant continue to show for everyone to see.

they are just a spoiled brats that let loss and starts infecting everyone with their uncured diseases.

we are not Nigerians yet we are defending naija while you who is naija is bringing your country down, well done o!

AjanleKoko:

If you say so. But I'm willing to bet otherwise. Sebi you be Naija

Come to think of it sef, it's your logic that is flawed. I looked at your statement again. You actually fall into my category A, because you're implying that you have never lived outside Nigeria. Whether you chose to stay or were forced to stay is moot, fact is that you do not have an idea of what it takes to be successful outside Nigeria, since you've kuku never tried it. Essentially, your decision to stay may just have been borne out of ignorance! Abi I lie?

You said 'those who never had the opportunity' and thats where I am kicking against because I had it but decided to stay back. I can go now if I so wish.

My decision to stay was not borne out of ignorance, I was a very well read boy in my teens and had a complete grasp of world views, especially as it concerns racism. Those friends who left then are not doing better than me in any way, we usually compare notes now and then.
It is the ignorant who always runs, because of their ignorance of hidden opprtunities and a hope of an easy ride to wealth abroad.

AjanleKoko:

For some reason I keep getting drawn to this debate

I'm willing to bet that 99% of the posters in favour and against have little say in the matter, i.e. you all can't even choose where you want to live.

I.e. the people in the diaspora definitely have it better than when they were in Nigeria, so they would not have it otherwise. I tend to lean towards their argument, though some people do take it to extreme.

As for the people in Naija (sorry Dora ), we fall into two broad categories: people who have never had the opportunity to live or work in another country, so they make assumptions based on their perception. 2nd category is people who have actually lived abroad, but did not have it good, therefore they also assume that no Nigerian is having it good abroad as well. That might be some kind of psychological justification for their perceived failure to succeed outside the country.

There is another, albeit smaller category: people who have lived and worked in both places, and were successful in both situations. In which case such people have little to be bitter about, so they don't vent passions unnecessarily. They are in a much better position to appraise both lifestyles, and can talk better about the pros and cons of both.

Unfortunately I don't seem to fall into any of the three categories so i have to sit on the fence for this one. But let me just say this: For citizens of the advanced countries, it hardly matters much where they choose to live. Brits can move to the US, Americans can move to Canada, New Zealanders can move to the UK, without raising serious immigration eyebrows. Outside that privileged clique, it's nothing but a hustle for everyone else. Therefore, my submission is that this argument is just BS, for all parties involved. In fact, if you have a different passport from the Nigerian passport, then the argument is not even relevant to you, your options are a whole lot wider than ours.

Your conclusions are flawed, you forgot to mention those who had chances to travel abroad but instead thought their chances will be more enhanced here hence they chose to stay in naija.
This group have serious self belief and confidence in their survival abilities, this is the group I belong in.

NubianQ:

you are very lucky i am in a good mood this morning,

if not you would have had your brain splashed on the pages on Nairaland!

Calling me a product is a compliment,  you are nothing!  your name proves it,

Its either your are ignorant or a stark illiterate, how can you splash an invisible brain? Can you fight with the breeze.

The poor and rich eat same food in Nigeria sha, a rich man buys chicken at shoprite's and a poor man slaughters one of the local chickens roaming around the house and eats.
A rich man buys beef from a big supermarket and a poor man cuts some beef from the local meat seller, plus he has options of goat meat from the one he feeds or bush meat from his traps.
A rich man eats foreign rice and a poor man will eat same rice, (ofada rice)
A rich man has his maggi, spices and seasonings, same as a poor woman who uses her home baked, very smelly and sweet tasting spices, even better sef.
A rich man may chop hot dog from Mr Biggs and a poor man eats his meat pie from the roadside woman. (or if na calabar man, he can enjoy a real hot 404!)
fridge? Have you ever drank cool water from under a mud house with thatched roof? Chilling!
The rich have their plasma, projectors, and wall screens while poor peeps still watch same thing, in a 14inch telly.

NubianQ:

I think the situation in Nigeria for alot of people is bad. I do not understand why anyone would think that all Nigerians are living well. The Western Media may show us in some negative light sometimes but some of the things said are true.

I have met people that are having it really tough in Nigeria and for anyone to suggest that its all good for anyone is just completely off,

Anyway, for anyone who thinks everything in Nigeria is good,  well,  well ,  well,  its all in your head.

Its a great country but it needs change which i hope it eventually gets.

Poverty is not exclusive to Nigeria.

Still same misinformed products painting Nigeria black. Go on, spew your ignorance. Have you ever been in Nigeria, when?

dayokanu:

So we can remove Almajiri from the equation because they are not Nigerians?

Welfare that gives them houses, food is worse than the Nigerians sleeping under the bridge, In garages or on the fields

And in America, poor people dont live with their families? or what point are you making? Side jobs like what? What would someone with a decent income go and sit in a 40,000 stadium to write a test for.

Isnt it in the same Nigeria that job seekers were fired with Tear gas? How would someone with an income to feed a family go and wait inside tear gas to get a job

Sometimes I wonder if you are Nigerian, what tiny percent does almajirin kids make? What of other kids?

I think the jobless in America suffer more than those in naija cause its all man to his own, you ask if they dont have families? What are you talking about, do they come back to sleep in their fathers house in naija?
Be realistic, where else does nigerians sleep under few bridges except Lagos? But in US every city have homeless peeps sleeping on city parks and anywhere.

dayokanu:

So we can remove Almajiri from the equation because they are not Nigerians?

Welfare that gives them houses, food is worse than the Nigerians sleeping under the bridge, In garages or on the fields

And in America, poor people dont live with their families? or what point are you making? Side jobs like what? What would someone with a decent income go and sit in a 40,000 stadium to write a test for.

Isnt it in the same Nigeria that job seekers were fired with Tear gas? How would someone with an income to feed a family go and wait inside tear gas to get a job

Sometimes I wonder if you are Nigerian, what tiny percent does almajirin kids make? What of other kids?

I think the jobless in America suffer more than those in naija cause its all man to his own, you ask if they dont have families? What are you talking about, do they come back to sleep in their fathers house in naija?
Be realistic, where else does nigerians sleep under few bridges except Lagos? But in US every city have homeless peeps sleeping on city parks and anywhere.

cap28:

tomorrow callous i.diots like you will troop into churches and mosques pretending to worship "god" - what a joke!  people like you lack common human decency, everyone in your eyes is "up to something".  the fact that not every girl in nigeria lives like this does not mean that we should turn away from the tragedies that occur on  a daily basis in nigeria.  You are a hard hearted and callous person that is why this girl's story did not touch your heart, be gone evil one!!!

E dey pain you? Then find a rope and hang yourself. I repeat, you are getting carried away by sensationalism, unless you know the girl yourself. If not you are just making up stories to give Nigeria a bad name, have you watched crime and investigation based on stories from abroad, rap.ists, kidnappers, robbers and murderers are running free there, have you gone to save them?
Go and find a solution to your misfortune and stop crying over the internet.

dayokanu:

Obviously you know Nothing about Nigeria. Just hang out with your uncles in lekki and enjoy life.

Recyclable things to sell? You are very funny. Ask anyone what Almajiris are? And what are their numbers like

X amount of yrs, How long does Govt in Nigeria give poor people welfare for?

Fstranger. Go talk to a social worker. Do you know people who lose their jobs get unemployment benefits?

Welfare, Food stamp, medicaid,


Those unemployed people in Port Harcourt stadium, how many of them get unemployment benefits

Most of those people in port harcourt stadium have other jobs lives with family, unlike their American jobless counterparts who are 'on their own' its not the same thing at all. A friend I know is jobless in naija for seven years and is still feeding a family through side jobs till he got a job.

cap28:

You are talking out of your back passage!! if she was a harlot what on earth was she doing living under a bridge?  is that where harlots live?  and even if she were a harlot - is she not a human being?  should she have been abused and abandoned under a bridge like human debris? 

The fact that you chose to believe sensationalized stories is not helping your ignorance. Does every girl in naija live under the bridge, why not a church, mosque or relatives house? Dont come here to expose yourself.

dayokanu:

Buzugee,

Its obvious you havent lived in Nigeria for a long time.

The Almajiris that scavenge dustbins for food, What percentage do they make? Are Almajiris not Nigerians too?

Do you know the poor in America can get welfare, food stamp and even section 8 houses?

What govt aid can people in Nigeria get when they are poor?

Why the reference to only almajirin kids as if they alone live in Nigeria? What about ijaw, yoruba, ibo, edo, and calabar kids? They also scavenge for their food?

That American welfare is worse than a barrow pusher can get back home, some barrow pushers have kids in university.

Things are bad in Nigeria no doubt, but we are not all dead and buried, in fact, some smart Nigerians are getting richer and will not like our fellow suffering brethren abroad to add insult to the injury whites inflict on us daily.

cap28:

Is that so Buzugee - would you want any member of your family to trade places with this girl:

a girl who lived under sheraton hotel bridge in lagos FOR FIFTEEN YEARS!!!!! AND WHO WAS R.APED REPEATEDLY BY AREA BOYS BECAUSE OF HER VULNERABILITY.  

a girl who contracted HIV aids and died last year following repeated r.ape from animalistic area boys who took advantage of her?  would you prefer to be in her position?

watch her tragic story here:

http://www.saharareporters.com/video/video-queen-dead

The girl chose to sell her body and got what was coming to her, compare her to her mates in hair dressing salons, beauty salons, tailoring outfits or just washing plates in bukas, there is no excuse for harlotry.

ada24:

oh right so all the poor in nigeria have started drinking bottled water like the rich - right right - ok so I guess those sachets of pure water people drink are in fact the poor transferring the water from the bottle in the plastic bag. hmmmmmm

anyway are any of u grown men going to stop this argument about where its better to be poor and actually think of ways to ensure things work back home.

The poor in Nigeria dont drink bottled water, or even waste money drinking satchet water, the poor have clean streams running through their villages (same stream they have been drinking from all their lives) or wells dug behind their mud huts. Its only people on the go that drink satchet water, bottled water is for the rich, or pretenders.

buzugee:

you know thats a good question tensor777. the more i get into it with these guys the more i start to wonder if these guys are even nigerians cuz they know nothing about nigeria. i swear yall are a bunch of kenyans trolling on nairaland trying to make nigeria sound bad. get your butts back to www.kenyaland.com  all these kenyans frontin and perpertratin like they are nigerians. 

buzugee:

am telling ya, invisible, i think we have an infestation of kenyans and south africans and zimbabweans on nairaland who are hell bent on destroying nigerias image because anybody who is nigerian knows that the poor in nigeria eat the most delicious food. next time when you are visiting ya aunt can i tag along ?

Honestly they dont sound Nigerian one bit, its either they left here during the civil war or had never been here, just like an arab judging America after watching Press TV. The only place some have seen Nigeria is through news headlines.
You are welcome to visit my aunt, I spent hours climbing one tree after another, nearly fell from a mango tree behind her house! See fresh fruits at no price at all!

buzugee:

thanks for this post. you are right on the money. i have seen the poor eat in nigeria and let me tell ya ? they eat better than the rich. they eat like 10 wraps of eba and then their plate is covered up with meat. if i have seen this scenario once, i have seen it a million times when i lived in nigeria. these guys obviously are not nigerians. i think it is becoming apparent.

The poor in naija dont have any food problems nor shelter. I took gifts to my poorest illiterate aunt in the village and imagine my shock when she made me eba and gave me a sweet soup (better than the ones I dey chop for town) come see vegetable and fruits of all types for her backyard!

Buzugee, you are very correct.

The same resilience that made people change from eating three
meals to eating one, that made people walk to work instead of
driving or taking the bus, and other numerous examples will
simply keep things going. The same resilience that makes people
go on for years doing cleaner jobs and the like will keep people
going abroad if they choose to remain - losing jobs will not
simply cause the exodus you describe.

Who feeds these people with these types of untruth, apart from the mad beggers under the bridge, I dont know any hard orking Nigerian that will not eat three times daily.

So, people now walk to work? Whatever happened to transportation, Fashola BRT and Large transport schemes dotting every part of Nigeria with new cars/buses. Well, our eyes only see what it wants to see.

The only thing you need to do in Naija is to exploit your knowledge with determination. If youths could be half as hardworking as they get abroad, they will never be poor.

The same resilience that made people change from eating three
meals to eating one, that made people walk to work instead of
driving or taking the bus, and other numerous examples will
simply keep things going. The same resilience that makes people
go on for years doing cleaner jobs and the like will keep people
going abroad if they choose to remain - losing jobs will not
simply cause the exodus you describe.

Who feeds these people with these types of untruth, apart from the mad beggers under the bridge, I dont know any hard orking Nigerian that will not eat three times daily.

So, people now walk to work? Whatever happened to transportation, Fashola BRT and Large transport schemes dotting every part of Nigeria with new cars/buses. Well, our eyes only see what it wants to see.

The only thing you need to do in Naija is to exploit your knowledge with determination. If youths could be half as hardworking as they get abroad, they will never be poor.

fayahsoul:

We have idiots who complain about insecurity in nigeria yet whenever they visit they arrogantly "floss" and "oppress" the less privileged and still they get perplexed when the starving youth catch them at an intersection, or their domicile, and rob them of everything they got right down to their socks. Well what the hell do you expect you slowpoke? If you are not sharing people ain't caring.

If you imbeciles take your ostentatious constipated asses back home and try to prove to those with a dire sense of hopelesness that you are the number "stunna" who has just arrived from "God's own country" then don't complain when you get robbed and left with a hole in your physical frame that's big enough to put an arm and vest through because it's all your making you dumbass.

Humble yourself, bring yourself to parity with the commoner, share their pains and give all you can to help. Be simple! and drop the condescending attitude. Do not do silly excreta that will attrack envy and jealousy because you will pay dearly and deservedly too.

And to all you fearful b*tch backside white washed negros who feel a false sense of security and fulfilment in babylon, and any other freaking place outside alkebulan(or so-called africa), and as a result refuse to come home to settle and even ridicule the mere mention of it, i say this to you all: do not dare bring your sorry selves back here after the real nagas who courageously refuse to abandon ship have successfully struggled to restructure this criminal private corporate entity called nigeria. If you dare try to regain entry into the very land you have rejected and scorned during trying times, you weaklings will all have smoking red dots on your heads like them hindus.

You choose to reject the land of your ancestors and embrace babylon(west) so i will have you bear in mind that you all are traitors in the eyes of both man and the Gods of our lands.

A left hook, followed by an uppercut!

WAVixen:

Dont hate the player, hate the game. Na who no get money dey say beer bitter! Why did you want to leave Nigeria? Do you know that some people have the best of both Worlds? You are rude and lack manners in the delivery of your opinion, it must not be so.

And you just contradicted yourself there, your comment just shows you hate the player. If I lack manners then you lack intelligence.
Why I wanted to leave Nigeria, when I was a boy, I thought like a boy, now,

OvieE:



My friend, since you didn't go to school, let me rephrase that word trying. Trying is another word for failure. Either he can do or not period.

As of 2010 people still living in hell. Good post REAL TRUTH .

Since you went to school, let me put it to you that Bush was a failure since he didnt catch Osama, and Obama is also a failure for not returning the US to economic prosperity.
You are also a failure for not making as much money as Bill Gates, despite all your 'trying'.

AjanleKoko:

I think the issue is feelings. Nobody wants to feel bad about whatever decisions they took, so they go all out to defend their choices.
Were they really choices? Most people didn't go or stay because they felt like it, there are certain realities that every Nigerian has to face. Denying those realities is what i consider to be ridiculous. Why deny the truth?

Eggzactly! I love your 'sitting on the fence' approach.

debosky:

You are so full of your blinkered nonsense you don't realise it anymore. How can you with your limited experience possibly know what another person's mindset or view point is?

It is this kind of narrow minded nonsense that makes me realise that some problems are simply not meant to be solved.

As an aside, there are millions of Nigerians treated as second class or even fourth class citizens within their own country. Being killed for bearing the wrong name or adhering to the wrong religion, being denied job opportunities because they don't speak the right Nigerian language or happen to be from the wrong side of the Niger.

What I dont like is when people go out and blow their short fuses just for comments made on free forums. Another persons viewpoint ceases to be just that immediately they voice it out, it becomes an opinion capable of misleading inexperienced ones out there to sell their fathers house and blow the cash on one lonely foreign country.
The Nigerians killed in Nigeria died at home, and its no crime dying to defend your fatherland, just like bible days. I never saw an Israelite who died fighting for Babylon.
I dont think up to a million Nigerians have been killed for the wrong reasons, even during the civil war.

Go easy on things so you dont burst an artery.

iice:

If it pleases you to besmirch my 'foundation', please have some moet to go with it.
But then in your case it doesn't have anything to do with your 'foundation'. I thank the good jah for my 'foundation'. . .tufia for me to turn out so . Yes somethings can never be thought. . .like feeling at home in a place other than where you were born. It has nothing to do with the infrastructure or the people. . .it's a feeling of being home, a rightness. Unless you know someone who has that feeling, you will never understand what i mean. Which is a common thing anyway.

I do not wish to know someone personally, who has so lost her identity as to create another identity out of playing a second class citizen.

iice:

Semantics.
. . .where the 'heart' is. . .
Just like everything else, humans are ruled by what society dictates to them

And if your heart has left your real home, you obviously have a problem that has to do with your 'foundation'. This has nothing to do with what the society dictates, some things can never be thought to man, like a day old child learning to suck her mum's bre@ts milk.

REAL TRUTH:

Is this the lagos you want me to come now,,,,,I love naija but we have a lot work to do do,,,,,check the link below

http://www.punchontheweb.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art201011162501275

As if you make money from clean American roads? All may not be well in naija but we are improving, making more money everyday and enjoying them too. Some people have never been on those roads you posted.
You make it sound like they want you to come back and hawk pure water on the broken down road. Fashola is trying.