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damosky12:
What you are doing here, Sir, is beating around. Jesus commanded to pray for the SICK. He never commanded His followers to abandon medical science (which, by the way, existed in the furst century too). But He commanded not to trust in anything that's from man.

You seem to really bank your life on medical science so much. That's rather too naive, given the fact that the frailty US/UK healthcare has been continually projected since covid. Where your dogmatic optimism from?



I was almost tempted to ask you some personal questions. This is a rather naive take, Sir. Medical science as we know it is limited to be all that God has provided. The same Western medical science that has the biggest hospital casualties in 2020 to 2021? Or which?

You don't have to have a university degree to know this. Thankfully, God is not limited. That's why we pray for the sick. The miraculous is the intervention of the divine in the limitations of man. There is no logical proposition from you that's negating this!



No! Think a little bit. Science is a function of man's discovery. Tuberculosis, for instance, was incurable in the 19th to early 20th century. Why? Because God was limited? No! Common sense No! It was man's limitation.

But common sense begats that God isnt limited by man's limitation. He does miracles when we pray! There are countless instances. You may choose to ignore these instances. It's fine! But there are countless instances of many healed from situations beyond man's current science!




Are you the one I've been engaging on this? If so, I think I already dealt with this in a previous reply.

Nevertheless, I'll sum it up for you again. No human rule is to be obayed at the expense of God's. There are hierarchies in rules. God's rules come first!


Think over this relevant scenario:


‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:18‭-‬19‬ ‭NIV‬‬
[18] Then they called them in again and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. [19] But Peter and John replied, “Which is right in God’s eyes: to listen to you, or to him? You be the judges.

Can you point me out to a miracle? Just one confirmed miracle

DomPerignon:
Zionist fool, can you explain why Muslims will feel offended to a symbol you claim had no religious roots ?

Why then did the same Red Cross organization not change their symbol but instead created another symbol for Muslims complete with only Muslim caregivers , nurse and doctors ?

Fool.

At this point, I'm not inclined to pursue this discourse. Have a nice day. Continue your insults with other people

Dtruthspeaker:
And did you not read if indeed went to school to be a doctor, the history which stated that they were removed from there as God had warned them centuries before 1948?

What a powerful delusion and a powerful delusional selective history

Who removed Israel? Lol. You really are a fruitcake
The present day israel is a conglomerate of Ashkenazi people(from Eastern Europe), far east folks and others. There is no known native Israelis
Lol. Your delusion is wonderful

sonmvayina:
God works by maintaining the universe...there are seven principles governing the universe and you must know them and learn them...

They are the foundation of life's on earth....

https://www.selfhelphealing.co.uk/7-universal-laws/

Proof

Dtruthspeaker:
Something they have been living in since the 60's and 70's.

See how all of them are working a total of 1i to 20hours a day, or even 72 hours as some of you doctors get, just to survive. That is a cursed way to live.

I just pity those who go there. However, because they are cursed here therefore It is ok for them to choose which system of curse they should carry on their lives.



We won't be disturbing your peace if those devils did not come to disturb us first to disturb and scatter our peace and blessings from where we were the happiest people in the world.

1. The Western world aka 'White Devils' have been suffering since 60s? Lol. This just confirmed your delusion. Are you aware their GDP and economy has been growing, while Nigeria's has been dwindling? Can you explain how they are suffering?
2. So working long hours signifies suffering? Lol. Did it occur to you that people that work long hours actually have jobs at least, compared to our people here that don't even have a jobs at all? So if they work long hours, they get duly remunerated, meaning more money. What percentage of our graduates have jobs, never mind working long hours?
Also some Westerners don't work long hours 'just to survive'. They do it to have extra funds for extravagant life like vacationing etc. How many Nigerians can afford vacations? Lol
Most people working long hours are Nigerians that emigrated to the UK, or US and need the extra funds to actually make ends meet. The citizens don't need all that extra hustle, reason why they left those extra jobs for the emigrants like Nigerians.
Also working long hours as a doc, is a choice. You can choose not to do call duty. You can have other docs cover you. And still have ample funds to live on.
So you pity those that travel out while you're in Nigeria suffering. Of course you'll deny suffering in Nigeria. But you forget your money is gradually losing its value daily, but you Dliespeaker, would rather be pitying people earning in Pounds or Dollars
2. Who scattered your peace? The same people your Yahweh commissioned to preach to you? You're really confused

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ where is your evidence that they never exist?

Can you prove there is no red dragon on top of your head right now?

Dtruthspeaker:
If there was no God, they won't pray.



Off point.

Lol. You are seriously handicapped for logical reasoning.
So if I pray, that means there is a god. Really?
Yeah, of course you would deem it offpoint cos youre caught out

Ezmans:
why is his resurrection questionable

No reliable record of Jesus existence, never mind, his resurrection

DomPerignon:
Zionist fool can you explain why there is also a Red Crescent organization to cater for the Islamic world?

1. I never insulted you, but you just had to do it
2. I'm not a Zionist or Israel follower. I'm a humanist
3. The Red Crescent was borne by Muslims cos they assume the Red Cross is for Christians, which is not true. Red Cross covers everybody, irrespective of religion. The founder of Red Cross is not even a Christian

Sirmwill:
The fact that we are sharing the same country space with people like you shows how much owners of animal pets can like their pets



An animal would think better than you

Whats wrong with his post

Dtruthspeaker:
Israel is right in front of you to see with its history and you say it does not exist? Your level of delusion is powerful.

Israel only existed as a nation in 1948. Previous to that, there was no Israel. I thought they said lawyers know history? You seem completely ignorant of history, assuming you're a lawyer

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet it is exactly what Moses whose people are iodays isreal did even before the Greeks came to be Greeks.

If you were reasoning at all, you would have seen that Isreal has always been antiGod just lsince God brought them out of Egypt, but no less, as it is a sick person who would need a physician, t is always an antiGod people who will need God

Learn to concentrate in discourses. We're talking about that universal sign. The Rod of Aesclepus logo was taken into modern medicine. Not Moses. Those people of Israelites didn’t exist historically. Neither did Moses. So how could the Greeks incorporate stuff from non-existent people?
What's my business with Israel and Yahweh? So if antigod people need god, why do you always prophesy and direct hate and death on those antigod folks?

DomPerignon:
Modern western medicine was forged from the principles of Christian charity.

The Red Cross and it's Christian emblem is testament to this.

The universal symbol of modern western medicine is that of a snake wrapped around a staff or a cross which is in reference of Moses healing the Hebrew people by miracle.

The once revered statement by western medicine doctors was once " we treat but God heals".

But western medicine has since lost its past and path after the children of Satan took over the West and began polluting every sacred institution they seized control of.


Jews run the west and they are hell bent on not only destroying it but ridding it of it's Christian herritage.

The only reason modern day Judaism exists is to destroy Christianity.


The greatest oxymoron ever coined was "Christian Zionism" and "Judeo-Christinanity".

1. That universal sign of medicine is known as Rod of Asclepius. Has nothing to do with your fictional Moses.
2. The Red Cross was formed by Henry Dunant, a Swiss with no religious affiliation.
3. The motto 'We treat but God heals' is used solely by African hospitals, and not a universal motto. Africans medics use it for obvious reasons, since we are religious. It doesn't signify that any divine intervention occurs in Africa. If anything, it indicts the supernatural being, god since african healthcare systems are usually found wanting and end up as poor.
4. Judaism is the dominant religion found in Israel. Which religion loves Israel? You guess right! Christianity. Why ?they say its god's own people. So how can god's own people destroy god's own religion?
As you can see, logical reasoning is really a handicap for you

Beremx:
In a situation that patient tells the nurse to pray for him/her nko? Will she still be sacked?

Well, Nigerians and our religious obsession, una don see am nau

If the patient requests that, the healthcare worker can refer him or her to a chaplain. Though she may pray, but safer to refer

Aemmyjah:
😂 😂 😂

I really wonder what you do on religious threads

Same way I wonder too. About you

MaxInDHouse:
Who proved they never existed?

Continue deceiving yourself!

I did. Scientists did. Etc
Can you?

Dtruthspeaker:
Be reasonable. We know things imagined in the past e.g. man flying from one place to another, travelling faster and doing things faster and better.

But no one wishes to imagine a God. It is adverse to man.

And while you say harsh environment, as evidence of God's Curse, clearly Africa was not harsh but blessed and Africans respected God until the white devils came with their Curse. And now Africa is cursed with harshness and suffering and all the things the cursed Whiteman devil used to suffer.

So why isn't the 'white devils' that brought the curse suffering?
Before you say any crap, remember your own folks are running to meet this 'white devils' who have been blessed beyond anything by Yahweh, for being 'white devils'.
Also remember that the fact you're a Christian and you're here disturbing our peace is cos of those 'White devils'
Talk about common sense

[quote author=Dtruthspeaker post=127146868][/quote]So if they pray for a bountiful harvest, then automatically there is a god? Lol 😆
So other occupations don't have atheists?

atiku4President:
You can say what you know. You think the rule applies everywhere?

Bro, before anyone hires any doc, he or she provides a license, whether soft or hard copy. Same with having a personal hospital. You must provide your license to HEFAMAA(for Lagos)

MT:
You don't get it.

Westerners use student loans from the govt to fund their education which they have to pay back.

The subsidy that goes into medicals is obvious and large. No one says they should not relocate but the Nigeria govt needs to pass a law that will mandate it for to refund the govt subsidy or practice for certain years in Nigeria to liquidate the debt.

Nigeria as of today is not that rich to be training doctors for almost free using taxpayers money only for them to abandon the same taxpayers and go abroad to practice. That will be the smart thing any nation will do.

Do you really know how much it costs to train a doctor?

What is this one saying?
So how much does it cost to train one doc?
Med students pay the highest fees in any institution thereby liquidating the debt. What else are you saying?
Have you compared school fees in Nigeria and other countries?

armadeo:
Every graduate would sign ?

Dont mind the guy. Let him sign first. Then every graduate follows suit

madone:
Which one is shortage of doctors They employ new doctors simple

Ok naah

MT:
You are the one with a switched off brain.

Are medical doctors paying commensurate fees in school ?.

Assuming you are a medical doctor, do not be an ingrate to the Nigeria Government who contributed towards your training.

I got my first med degrees in Unical 2006. I paid almost double the school fees of other students. I'm sure other schools are charging med students like that. What do you have to say

MT:
That is the problem with you medical doctors - Superiority complex.

In your warped mind, you think it is your profession that is the most difficult to master. You better stop being delusional. Who says you can understand the abstract nature of my own profession?

I was being fair in my submission. I stated clearly I had no issue with medical practitioners relocating but you cannot relocate at the expense of taxpayer's money.

It costs money to train a doctor and you got this on the cheap from the Nigeria Government, only for you to bail out under whatever excuses, without repaying the cost of your training. That is not fair. I have offended you because I suggested govt should make you repay back the debt of your training. That is the right, fair thing to do.

Which profession in Nigeria has it good? Which profession gets the commensurate salary? So all professionals should depart because the infrastructures are not there? You are free to go but the Government should force the doctors from repaying the cost of their training.

Nigeria cannot afford to be the training ground for other western nations.

Cheap? Did you train in a university? What was the school fees of your medical students then compared to yours? Answer this question, while switching on your brain.
You can't expect someone to spend such a lot of money and sit behind in Nigeria with a paucity of funds

blowjohn:
U don't get the point, do u?
Even if jobs plenty for Port Harcourt or borno or Ibadan or wherever we no dey go.


U know why?


I cannot be doing the work of 30 people.


If u like pay me 500k per month, I still won't work in a teaching hospital where I will have 40 patients to do rounds for in the morning before my consultant shows up by 9am

Only 40 patients? Una no get patients nah. Some get 100. Plus post op case and clinic

spiSeyi:
A state of emergency should be declared on major the health sector . Nigeria's medical studies are the cheapest in the world, the government spends a lot of funds to train these ppl to be one of the best and after a few years in service, they jakpa even though they are one of the highest-paid professionals because no Medical doctor earns below 250k as we speak.
My verdict is this no medical doctor should be allowed out of this country until after 10yrs of service.
As for the government we should empower our traditional medical care, traditional medical doctors can be of good service. Public officers and politicians foreign medical trips should also be discouraged because the money used for foreign medical trips can also be used to create a good working conditions for health workers
North Korean mode should be activated to curtail this nonsense

With this mindset, no wonder Nigeria is floundering. Someone would jump into a discourse, spouting totally incorrect info and some harebrains would believe them.
Where did u get the info Nigerian medical training is the cheapest worldwide? Are you even aware medical students tuition is the highest compared to other students? Some of my medical students parents sold lands to see them through med school and when they are required to return the investment by taking care of their parents, you tell them to stay behind in Nigeria and suffer? Are you for real? And who told you we are the best paid professionals? And where in the good fuvk name did you get the info no Nigerian doc is paid below 250k? Have you asked in the private sector what they get paid?
So if you restrict docs less than 10 years, why not restrict lawyers, engineers etc? Abi government no subsidize their training too?
Rubbish!

haybhi1:
Damn. LUTH's CMD was at Unilorin's induction in July decrying Japa. Quite surprising his backyard is even best hit.

On the off side, though, dear doctors, stop japaring. It's discouraging and unkind. The government train you costly and you're leaving. Don't be callous.

Dear Government, listen to the yearnings of the doctors and follow suit. It's a malady and malevolent stifling them of their full rights that makes it tough not to consider other options.

Dear (possible) patients, for your sake, shun things that get you to be in the hospital, need medical help. Exercise right, drink water above carbonated drinks, shun alcohol, avoid smokes of first and second class, reduce sugar, reduce sun exposure, check your vitals regularly, think less to avoid hypertension but don't come out here constituting nuisance, reduce fatty consumables...

Ire o. Ti wa oni baje o

Like seriously?
I guess you aint a doc, that's why u can afford to write that.
If u have an opportunity to get rid of a toxic relationship, would you ignore it? My relationship with this country(and my patients, as an extention) is quite disturbing. We get poor pay, we get abused by patients etc. If u were in such a situation, would you stick around?

Yonce:
These foreign doctors were probably not trained or raised to face the rigourous and stressful ways Nigerian trained doctors are conditioned to write exams and pass them despite hardships of medical school.
They're probably not used to negative marking and unnecessary twisting of lexicon in the question to deliberately confuse you into failure.

When they sit for foreign exams like PLAB and USMLE, they'll usually ace them.
MDCN should probably look into itself as an exam body.

Not true. They use negative marking abroad.
The issue is MDCN exam methodology and syllabuses

Bahamas95:
But we still got some quacks in the system, how did they get their licence?

Who is a quack?
This is the definition, from a dictionary
Quack
noun
noun: quack; plural noun: quacks
a person who dishonestly claims to have special knowledge and skill in some field, typically medicine.
"a quack doctor"
From this definition a quack never gets an authentic license. May be practicing without license or forged licence.
So any doctor you see that has a license is not a quack. Cure your ignorance

atiku4President:
Some won't even take it, but will start practising.

And how would they get the license to practice?
You think any doctor can be hired or practice without a license? Your degrees alone won't get you a job

adioolayi:
It's true, things are bad...but, not in this kind of exam.

MDCN no dey take nonsense....same with the Nursing Council

U dey mind the guy?
I didn't bother to reply him. Too many poorly informed folks on Nairaland.

post=127169396:
It's ALL ABOUT JESUS

… and a wise man says it out loud