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Dtruthspeaker:
Clearly I do know God is Real and most certainly exists and my first proof is simply on the ground that it is seen and clearly proven that it is impossible for a thing in this world to create itself.

So who created 'god'?

Dtruthspeaker:
I am certainl you can see how now real you have spoken foolishly in jumping into a matter you lack the intelligence for most especially as the person I spoke to clearly got what I said and properly and reasonably addressed the issues i raised where you as usual, speak off point.

The guy is clearly an atheist yet he has properly held on to the rules of argument which you know nothing of except whatever understanding that you are able to glean from Google.

So as I have always told you, go amd learn how to argue properly.

Lol. And she has kicked you in the butt once again for being daft. Kudos

budaatum:
Good idea a thread. That way it won't get lost in the ignorance

Here's 101. In case it's worth continuing.
https://www.nairaland.com/5238668/evolution-101

Whoa. Never seen it before. Quite long

Aemmyjah:
Good
Now
Without me showing Jaephoenix, he can conclude that I was not saying anything false especially seeing that you could not refute it

You're a class clown. This discourse gas dragged to 3 pages and we have been asking you to provide the evidence, but you keeping on spilling crap all over the place

Aemmyjah:
I dropped points that are easily understood by everyone


1. The Bible unlike the books you mentioned is not a myth as places people, events mentioned in it as historical. What is says regarding science like the, the law of gravity, DNA, shape of the Earth and the earth not been supported by anything is accurate even when science and the common people were saying something different. What it predicted about the future was accurate and happened. Before you mention other books, investigate them to see if they have such characteristics

2. The universe is a wonder of design, order, organization. It also has laws that govern it like movement of planetary bodies... It has cycles as well that regulate ecosystems... Olodo like you, poor debater like you says there are instances where universe does not show orderliness. If yu go to a house and see that some parts of it are not in order,you'll conclude the house had no builder. Poor, low IQ individual. With this kind of thinking, you're passing judgment on me?

2. Publish the results na
If your own reverse brain tells you that everything ij the Natural world came to be by a mindless process, it is your own problem. If you reject the that everything including life has no designer, you should accept that your existence is really meaningless, useless and purposeless and without direction or hope.


What I mentioned is not directed towards Christians. Religious people do not reject the existence of the Creator. I presented extra biblical points, there are still more.
If you attack me for saying that God exists when we perceive what is made, what then is your own argument? Abi na your Papa I suppose credit? Stop reasoning from your bottom

1. The Bible isn't used as a historical source. When you studied history, was any religious books used? The bible said the earth is flat, that it has ends, and is stood on structures. It said nothing about gravity, and of course, never predicted the future. In an earlier thread , I asked you before to point the passages that predicted the future and of course you went mute.

2. You absolutely don't understand the point she made. She simply asked you to point to an orderly universe, and lets compare to ours. That is the only way we can conclude our universe is orderly.
For example, if you don't know how a clean shirt looks like, how would you say your shirt is clean?
This analogy seems to complex for simpletons like you to comprehend.

3. Both of us(Thornn and I) have told you countless times on this thread that we dont know how the universe came about. But it doesn't stop you from lying once again we said it came by a mindless process. And what has rejection of creationism got to do with purpose in life? Do you use band aid to keep your brain together?

4. Actually many religious reject creationism. In fact, the propagator of Big Bang was a priest. The Catholic Church has accepted evolution. Indeed, most Muslims say they believe in evolution.
Although "Gallup reports that 46% of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form less than 10,000 years ago", it found "only 11% belong to religions openly rejecting evolution." With this approach toward evolution, scriptural creation stories are typically interpreted as being allegorical in nature.

Aemmyjah:
No one knows
If you are not sure of something, why do you teach it as fact or mock others convictions

Do you know what a theory is? Dullard, look it up. If your theory doesn't hold water why won't I mock it?

Aemmyjah:
Michael Jordan

Ok

Aemmyjah:
1. Feces is the product of egestion. Other waste products of excretion like urea and urine and salts are removed from the body to maintain balance.
With your foolish illustration, the exhaust from a car? Was it someone that made it?

2. Ask your wife or mum if labor was easy. Fake student learning from fake teacher

1. I asked you if it was Yahweh that digested your food, not only did you not answer my question but you set another trap for yourself. Yes, the exhaust from a car was made by the car.
For the second time, answer my question.
2. Another stupid post. What has the ease of labor got to do with the fact that you call gynecologists 'gyne doctor' instead of 'gyne'. Are you this dense and stuuupid in life?

Image123:
What is your definition of "triggered" because i don't see where i got triggered. i simply replied your post.
i did not mention the koran, neither did i say i do not want it quoted. i said i would not normally argue with a muslin about Mohammed.
If a muslim puts up a thread about Mohammed, i would ignore it. i hope this is clearer and straigh forward enough.

Good. You would ignore it. Why?

Thorrn:
You can continue repeating yourself until you are blue in the face. Meanwhile, here's a bullet point summary of our correspondence so far:

1. You claimed that the Bible answers the question: "Does God exist?"
>>> I pointed out that the Bible does not qualify as sufficient proof because it commits the circular reasoning fallacy called "begging the question". I gave examples using the Iliad and Odyssey as poor proofs of the existence of Greek deities. You gave no response.

2. You highlighted order in the universe as proof that the universe was designed
>>> I used logical syllogism to deconstruct your argument and showed that (a) there are instances where the universe doesn't show orderliness as is generally understood, (b) that your use of the word "design" is problematic when we have never witnessed the design of something similar in nature and scope with the known universe, and (c) that even we could establish with certainty that the universe was created, it could have been something else rather than your God. You gave no response.

3. Failing to offer any counters to number 2 above, you started groaning about how atheists live meaningless lives
>>> I debunked your claims citing an article detailing the results of a 2019 Pew Research study. You gave no response.

4. Lost and defeated, you then made up lies about me claiming that everything came from nothing
>>> I asked you to show me anywhere I said such a thing. And guess what? You gave no response.

In light of the foregoing, it is obvious that YOU are the one who has continuously failed to counter anything presented so far in our conversation. So whenever you're ready to put on your big boy pants and face the debate, you know where to begin. I've assisted you in summarizing our conversation so far in this single post.

Let's hear your next excuse?

Dont hold your breath, he's not gonna take up the challenge. He's not mentally capable of handling this task of answering the questions. You see, many (if not most) theists have problems processing logics. For some reasons, they can't make logical conclusions or arguments without falling into many fallacious pits.

Aemmyjah:
Sometimes, it's better you ignore him or you call SIRTee15 to come and reset his head for him.

The most sophisticated computer, even a spacecraft, is not even up to half of the brains of a Housefly. Yet someone says robots are as intelligent as Humans. He's a disgrace to himself, to atheists too


Lemme tag them sef
Jaephoenix
LordReed
Maynman said that

Robots are as intelligent as humans.
I'm tagging you for two reasons, he is a fellow atheist and you are the most intelligent people on nairaland (in reverse order)
Do you agree with that statement?

ChatGPT is obviously smarter than you, never mind Sophia

Aemmyjah:
In our earlier argument about the Field of Abram, what did you say?

Field of Abram is fictional, I just researched it. No historical evidence of Abraham exists

HellVictorinho6:
Why do you think you are part of everything since you exist?

Maynman should answer that too

Did I say so?

Thorrn:
Given your constant reliance on logical fallacies to advance your argument, in tandem with your obstinacy and inability to stick to a single line of discussion, I think it's safe to say that your opinion on what constitutes good debate isn't worth a pile of shit. I'd rather listen to Cardi B give a lecture on Quantum Physics .

You'd be surprised Cardi talks good Quantum Physics in her W.A.P. than Aemmyjah and DTruthSpeaker lumped together

Thorrn:
Show me where I made such a claim.

You literally have nothing else so now you have to tell bare faced lies, don't you? Lol!

You're flinging all sorts of bullshit in the hope that it sticks. I suppose I should be expecting the kitchen sink to come flying next .

He kept on making wild claim lies about me so much I answered him 3 times and subsequently kept quiet anytime he says the bullshyt

Thorrn:
It's clear from this post that you're not even following up on the discussion in this thread, despite the fact that YOU started it. This is real comedy here .

You ask that I show "evidence". "Evidence" for what? Let's start from there.

Same question I asked him. Its unfortunate how poor comprehension skills with dump knowledge of science can make an adult the same as a cold wet stone

Aemmyjah:
To keep reminding you that with all your wailings
Drop atleast one evidence

Evidence of what?

Aemmyjah:
Spirituality is universal in every nation, language groups,...
Not all are atheists either
Keep fooling

What's the meaning of this gibberish?

Aemmyjah:
Too much Grammer without presenting anything to counter the OP claim

She has countered your claims here, at least twice.
Not only are you lot dvmb but you have poor comprehension skills too. Its a chore debating with you folks

Aemmyjah:
You have not presented any concise points
If you like, drop a millions words and keep blowing hot like a mad Bison

Like she said, she doesn't need to. You're the one that opened a thread and made a claim. The burden of proof thus lies squarely on your half-arsed shoulders to back your claims. And she has already said SHE DOESN'T KNOW HOW THE UNIVERSE CAME ABOUT which is the same position I take. Thus which point does she need to present?
Look, if logical reasoning and scientific approach is a problem for you folks, then fix it and stop bothering busy folks with inanity

Thorrn:
Well, if it's "some" and not "all", then you should be careful trying to insist that your beliefs are universal fact.



Says the guy who started a public thread to prove the existence of his favorite sky fairy. Here's a little secret for you, child. Do you want to know the real reason you created this topic? It's because you are actually seeking to validate and/or reinforce your beliefs. Nobody compelled you to start this topic. You started it because you want people to consider your position as justified by your Bible, else you'd keep it to yourself.



Congratulations. Hats off to you.



And they could all be wrong, which would be as good as you just saving everyone the trouble, including yourself, and dropping nothing at all.



Moi?



I didn't drop anything at all because my position doesn't require me to do so. I'm not the one with the burden of proof here. YOU are. You made the claims, so you must prove them. My only job here is to call out bullshit when I see it. If your logic is solid, then I support it. Simples.



Someone who values facts and objectivity. Someone with a desire for establishing truth and dismantling baseless fiction.



It's the second time in a row that you're spouting this rhetoric, and it is as boring as it is asinine. The only person whose existence lacks any inherent value is the poor sod who can't envision a life without an imaginary friend. If this is the new angle you're going to take as pertaining to this discussion, then it only indicates that you've run out of any ammo needed to sustain your initial position. You're out of your depth in your own thread. How sad.

Again, did a good job of handling these bumbling sods.
See, It's rare to see cerebral females of Nairaland. Closest I have seen is 1Sharon. You're the bomb.

Aemmyjah:
Sorry for lying against you
They found it in my dog's cage
Even when you see evidence, you ask stupid questions
Maybe you'll ask me the name of the person that found the stone

Ogbeni bring the evidence

cornelboy:
Na lie ogbeni.
I don't have to be religious or non religious before I know that the universe couldn't have come by chance. All it takes is a working brain.

Another fallacy.
Religion tells you to believe without seeing, doesn't it?

cornelboy:
You own logic and science taught you that humans evolved the thumbs abi?
Oya prove it here

Evolution is simply an adaptation of an organism to its environment. The apposable thumb evolved from that of an ancestor with non apposable because of how skilled our work has been. The powerful thumb that characterizes the human hand evolved only in some fossil hominin species around 2 million years ago. You can see those fossils yourself if you want. Those are evidence you can always verify, unlike what your Babble said
https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent/human-origins/understanding-our-past/living-primates/the-grasping-hand

cornelboy:
Tell me the comparison between a creator and what he created?
The universe and life is obviously the handiwork of an intelligent being.

A logical explanation is that the creator started everything. Both what we see and things beyond us. He wasn't created.
If there was a designer of the universe, he must not have been created.

Hear me, even if the designer or creator was created, the chain of creators still have to start from a person.
It can never be an infinite loop.

No this is not logical. Its a fallacy of special pleading.
Special pleading is an informal fallacy wherein one cites something as an exception to a general or universal principle, without justifying the special exception.
The most common example of Special Pleading is when someone breaks a rule and then attempts to justify their actions by claiming that they are special and should be exempt.

cornelboy:
Lol pregnancy is now a bad thing lmfao. How did you exist if not through pregnancy?

Who? Do you know the designer now?

Reread what I said. I wrote that some pregnancies can kill their mothers. I guess you don't know we advice some mothers to terminate their pregnancies to save their own lives, if not they die. How come such a designer knew this and still gave the woman the baby?

Emusan:
Can you imagine?

Keep clicking on my moniker where I quote you it'll lead you to the point.

Right. Had to watch the video again slower. Dude said "Its magic, its a mystery, its divinity"
Now the questions….
Do you notice he said its magic too, and its a mystery, and its divine. He did not say its created by any god. He's simply saying the embryology is a marvel. For those of us in the field that understands it, its not a wonder.
He also lied when he said the process makes no mistakes. The process of embryo formation is fraught with many mistakes. Some mistakes are fatal, some are not. If you insist the process is god-driven then you are further indicting your god by saying he's a bumbling old fooool that can't get his shit together

LordReed:
You don carry my name lie again. Quote my response to that piece of archaeological finding.

BTW where did they find this so called stone with field of Abram written on it?

The guy na real case. A dvmb liar is the worst of them all

Aemmyjah:
The universe then is an effect to it's own Cause. True or false?
See who is shouting logic
Your house doesn't need to have a builder then

But the 'Designer' is an effect to it's own Cause. True or false?

Aemmyjah:
1. Abiogenesis has been dead since Louis Pasteur killed it. But why do you people still teach it as the basis of the origin of life. Life can never come from non-living matter. Who then is the ultimate source of life?
Big bang is not a theory. Na wetin? Na person name? Which theory then supports evolution?

2. I need hyperfaith to believe that everything emerge from nothing. Is that what is logical to you?

1. Abiogenesis was a theory brought by scientist which was cast aside by another scientist. Thus scientists are not interested in lying to you like you lie about those saints resurrection in Matthew. People may teach abiogenesis as a debunked theory. I have said this before.

2. <silence>

Aemmyjah:
1. If you like, close your eyes to reality. As if every events is recorded in history. If you like, call it Arabs. In the past, Bible critics said certain people never existed cos there were no extra biblical references to them. An interesting example was David and Belshazzar. Even Pilate was said to not have existed. Archeological evidence gives proof to their existence. If you like, stand in the view of a critic, you have nothing meaningful to offer

2. Oga, there is archeological evidence to Abraham and not just any man named Abraham but it supports something he did in the Bible when he bore his former name, Abram. I even showed LordReed, he could not deny it. He simply said that just one archeological evidence is insignificant. So, go and find the evidence for yourself

3. Date to the timing of the exodus. Now, the historians during the period and those supervising and the custodians of the writings were Egyptian Scribes and priests. Yes or No?

4. Some call it as written by Roman's, some say Europeans. Even Africans are beginning to claim it. The account of the New Testament talks mentions almost nothing about the Roman's and their dealings. The Romans created the character, Jesus and began to persecute those that accepted their writings shey? 🤣


These days, Scholars have come to discover that king James is actually an inaccurate translation of the Bible with several additions and extortions that are not ij the original manuscripts. You know this but your mad zeal to criticize the Bible moves you to pick a poor translation. Are you not even unreasonable? You don't accept a book or it's authorship yet you want to quote from it to support or criticize a claim or event?
Again, it was not supporting that people were resurrected. There was a strong earthquake that split rocks and removed bodies from graves. Witnesses saw this and went into the city, evidently to share what happened.
Keep fooling around

1. Please list those evidence here. Thank you
2. Ditto
3. I have told you, Exodus never happened. How can historians record a non-event?
4. The Romans were polytheists til the time of Emperor Constantine who turned Christian, and made christianity a state religion. They thus started turning their conquered territories into christians , like the ancient Europeans, who in turn colonized Africa.
Its unfortunate you are completely empty in history but choose to argue.
Liar, all the Bible versions clearly stated graves were torn open. No wonder you are a Jehovah Witness. You see white and boldly call it black. Keep foooling yourself and anyone that chose to believe your lies.
The greatest lie is when one lies to him/herself.

Aemmyjah:
Understand first before you read
Your fathers accepted that everything came from God or the gods
You disagree.
Who is stupid? You or them?

Them. Cos they got no evidence. So was it Amadioha that made thunder? Yes or no?