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Aemmyjah:
Your mean your forefathers were all stupid to ignore that nature came by accident?

Yes, they were stupid by ascribing natural phenomena to supernatural origins

Aemmyjah:
Olodo
Nutrition can affect ones phenotype
Pollution and toxins can affect one's phenotype
Social interaction can affect ones phenotype
You are a fake doctor, you are not even a doctor. Maybe you are a plant doctor or insect doctor but even an insect doctor should not ask these
Did you study epigenetics in school?

Okay, so I'll have to do basics here.
In humans, phenotype examples include blood group, eye color, freckles etc. So tell me, how does my environment affect these traits? I’m listening

Aemmyjah:
1. It was my parents that put my throat and all the organs that regulate eating and digestion
They even put bacteria and enzymes that help to break down the food and put the organs at different pH levels...

2. What nation?

1. You lack basic knowledge of biology and now you lack basic physiology.
All those processes don't require any input from any parents. They are controlled by actions of the brain, hormones etc

2. Dvmmy you made this statement
The first and only nation the Bible describes as an empire, having several cities (done by their slaves), ancient wonder of architecture, kingship, education, law, taxes, religion, trade, transportation, weapons of war (chariots), dress and most dominant world power (the first) is now located in which continent

So what nation are you referring to

Aemmyjah:
They did not create
They create

Which one you de?

You're the epitome of density.
Where did I state parents didn't create the children?

Aemmyjah:
Why not question what science says?
🤷‍♂️
Science has not always been accurate tho

I do question medical science, and I still conclude it is right. We practice evidence-based medicine

Aemmyjah:
Half learned men like Jaephoenix reject it
You dearly embrace it
Salutations to Maynman
The first and only person zealously advocating that chaos (syn disorder, disarray, confusion, disorganization, mess, shambles) could have brought about order, organization, complexity and everything in the universe.
Keep joking around
Oops! I seem to have dropped something from the dictionary that may have excited you or added evidence to your doctrine 😁
Maynman, Bishop of Chaos
Pls, keep preaching chaos

Whether na Chaos or Chance or Creator
Choose the letter C that is dear to you


Who taught you English that you exchange it for Randomness and unpredictability?
Abeg rest
Enjoy your day
Unleash your monikers to like and share your comments so you'll look smart to yourself

You completely left his point and went around talking gibberish. He proved to you that even your own bible said the earth came from chaos

Aemmyjah:
Teach Jaephoenix and come back to me
If the universe came by chaos (accident) , how's that part of it?
Jaephoenix is an atheist but does not agree
Educate him first cos you're jumping from existence to non existence to chaos
Makes no sense


Keep in mind that you're an evolutionists. Where evolution has failed to explain to you is not what you should throw at me

Convince Jaephoenix

Normally I'm supposed to answer this gibberish with silence(since I have answered this question severally in this thread alone but you keep on asking it)
I said I don't know how the universe came about.
You really are arrogantly dvmb

Aemmyjah:
You're the worst so-called doctor I've interacted with
Are you even sure you're a doctor?
Did I mention forces of labor?
I meant everything from fusion of gametes to childbirth. Who designed those process? You will not answer accident, you will not credit God. You will either say 'I don't know' OR 'I never said it was by accident'

1. I'm not here to discuss my profession with you. I'm simply waiting for the day you'll seek for my professional advice again like when you asked me about glaucoma, then I'll remind you I'm a quack

2. You made this statement
Or the organs and system and mechanism involved in childbirth?
Fake doctor has never heard that the process itself is sometimes called a miracle

What do you think the mechanisms and process in labor are called? And how do you think we doctors predict the outcome of labour or prognosticate the labor process?
They are called Forces of Labor. And I'm not inclined to explain them in details since you're so hung up that its a miracle.
I asked you a question who helps you digest food or form stool from food. I never heard anything from you about those processes.

Aemmyjah:
But they teach that in schools ?
🤔
Ok na

They teach it in school as a theory . They don't call it facts
There are many theories taught in school.

Aemmyjah:
1. Teach same to Maynman as it seems you atheists are not even united in your beliefs

2 Evolution of multicellulars from unicellular? Issok

3. It's just as ridiculous as saying language evolved from grunts of animals. I'm not brainwashed to accept what is not proven fact

1. Teach what to Maynmann?
2. Did you even bother to read up any of those links?
3. The difference between you and I, is unlike you, I believe stuff that can be verified, by one and any time. You believe anything, and I mean anything, as long as its written in a book that has been found to tell lies, time and time again

Aemmyjah:
Has evolution undergone fact-finding

Real question. DO YOU HAVE COMPREHENSION ISSUES? FOR REAL?
I just dropped facts plus how to go about proving the facts, complete with links for you to read. And you came up with if evolution has undergone fact finding?
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKERY?

Aemmyjah:
Some acknowledge it
I did not drop it for anyone's Acknowledgement
Atleast, it is part of my convictions. I can drop 10 points
What of you? You dropped nothing but nonsense that makes sense to your feeble thinking
Who are you to judge me?


Besides, people like you that don't accept the existence of the Creator, it leaves you without reliable guidance and shows your life is meaningless and hopeless and purposeless . If your life is by accident, your existence has no purpose

Before christianity came, were peoples' lives 'hopeless, purposeless and meaningless'? Matter of fact were your own ancestors 'hopeless, purposeless and meaningless' ?

Aemmyjah:
1. Science does not even fully understand the formation of rain. It is a product of chance.
Another assumption you call fact is what you say about the human eye. The Great Ape had a simple eye shey? 😂


2. Simple question is this? DNA is a product of an accident. Yes or No?

1. Yes science understands rain so much scientists can create artificial rain. I'm sure you don't know that. So its not a product of chance. No, the Great Ape has complex eyes
2. <silence>

Thorrn:
Unfortunately for you, this quoted portion is a complete mischaracterization of the logical sequence of OP's original argument. Here, consider this preceding paragraph in the Aemmyjah's opening post:

Does God Exist?
The Bible’s answer
Yes, the Bible provides compelling evidence that God exists. It encourages us to build faith in God, not by blindly believing religious assertions, but by using our “power of reason” and “mental perception.” (Romans 12:1; 1 John 5:​20, footnote) Consider the following lines of reasoning based on the Bible:

It is very obvious from the foregoing passage that when Aemmyjah set out on his quest to establish the existence of his God, he was basing his arguments on the holy texts of his religion - the Bible. He confidently affirms that the Bible has the answer to the question of God's existence, so your claim that he was alluding to "facts outside the Bible" is entirely misleading because it would suggest that the Bible had no bearing on his initial arguments. However, in the context of this discussion, he was clearly using the Bible as a framework for his position.



There's no distractions, sorry. I went straight for the jugular of his post. The term "biblical evidence" can only be valid within the subtext of Christianity, not without. If you wish to prove that the Christian God undeniably exists, beyond the echoes within the walls of your church pews, you'll need to present evidence that can be verified (1) independently (2) empirically and (3) objectively. Your Bible doesn't meet any of the aforementioned criteria.

Moving on to the claims of an orderly, designed universe, I've also pointed out it's flaws numerous times already. Since I have enough time to spare, I'll indulge you once more. Aemmyjah is suggesting that the supposed "order" in the universe is proof that his God exists. So basically, he's merely rehashing the Teleological Argument (argument by design). For the sake of viewers who studied Logic in school, I'll attempt to steelman this argument using logical syllogism:

P1> The Universe has order, purpose and regularity.
P2> The presence of the aforementioned values show evidence of design.
P3> Such design implies a designer.
C> Therefore, this designer must be God.

Right from the start, we can already see the problems with P1 and P2. The vacuum of space, as commonly described by astrophysicists is anything but orderly or regular, at least going by the general understanding of those terms. Quasars and black hole collisions don't seem to have any inherent purpose. Baryonic matter which constitutes life, makes up less than 5 percent of all there is, and most of that is stellar clouds of materials. We're left with stars, and then far down the line is the leftovers that allow for planets and things like organisms. A paltry insignificant percentage.

More importantly, the preceding examples presume that we can even recognize design in the first place! The reason we think we can recognize design is because we have witnessed the design of cars, wristwatches, phones and so on. But nobody witnessed the inception of the universe, so assertions about what caused it to be can NOT be made with certainty. There is a difference between the perception of design and intentional design. Aemmyjah's arguments rise to little more than "look at that; it looks designed!". He is either relying on the assumption that something couldn't possibly happen by chance, due to incredibly long odds (which is an argument from incredulity fallacy) or stating there is no known explanation for the order we see other than purposeful design (which is an argument from ignorance fallacy). In light of these facts, P3 is completely invalidated as well.

Furthermore, even if we assumed that P1 through to 3 are indeed all correct, how exactly have you established that your God caused it, and he exists? We still have a non-sequitur; the premises are disconnected from the conclusion. At best, this argument would only serve apologetics for a deist (impersonal) god. Why can't I conclude that your argument proves the existence of Brahma or any other creator deities out there besides YHWH?



Wrong again. You're only demonstrating one of two things: (1) your incapability to understand simple grammatical syntax in English, or (2) your blatant and shameless dishonesty. Again, you should have included the paragraph preceding the one you quotemined out of context:

As you can see from the quote above, I already made the rebuttal before referencing budaatum's comments to back it up. It is not the same as relying on budaatum as the focal point of my argument. If you still can't tell the difference, then it's probably because you lack the intelligence to do so, and that's no fault of mine.



SMH. It always feels like supervising a kindergarten whenever one has a debate with you religious lot. Here, young child, let's take you back to school again:

An ad hominem would be using your character as justification for the invalidation of your entire position. I haven't done that here. I have provided direct counters to every single point you've both made in this thread. If you feel otherwise, I'm inviting you now to point out a legitimate argument you have made in this topic that I haven't made a valid counter to.

My rather harsh assessments of both you and Aemmyjah do not stem from outright prejudice. Rather, they stem from the nature of your argumentations. I have encountered you in particular in the past under a different sobriquet, so my statements about your character are valid conclusions I've reached following our past encounters. You've quotemined people, taking their statements out of context, made up bare faced lies and wilfully denied basic knowledge just to advance your cause. As for Aemmyjah, my assessment of his character is only reasonable given what I've parsed from his comments so far. He has shown that he lacks the wits or intelligence to get into a proper debate, and he refuses to acknowledge obvious flaws in his position, even after they've been pointed out time and time again.

I'm not saying You are stupid, therefore X is wrong.

I'm saying X is a stupid thing to do/say because of Y, therefore you're most likely stupid.

I'm not prejudging you, I'm judging you.



For the records, there's no such term as "ad homineming". And just so you know, it's statements just like this that make me question your level of education.



Like I said, if it helps you swallow your food with peace of mind, you're welcome to hold any opinion. But, I'm sure the more educated readers will be able to figure out who exactly can't hold his/her own in an intellectual discussion or make a single point without resorting to basic logical fallacies.

If you are truly a female, then this is the smartest female character on Nairaland. And I'm not a sexist.
I couldn't have handled the argument better than you

Anselemchi:
QUESTION FOR OUR EYE DOCTORS

We also have a question for our eye doctors: since you started practicing, have you ever heard of (from colleagues, in seminars, workshops, lectures, medical journals, magazines, or newspapers) or encountered any case of a blind person who miraculously gained or regained his or her sight after a man or woman of God laid hands on him or her? We would also like the eye doctors to reply to us before Monday, November 13th, 2023, so that we can bring the discussion and investigation on miraculous healing of the blind to an end.

Thanks
C
Fada Angelo Chidi Unegbu

I am a practicing physician of 18 years experience.
In medicine, we have phenomena we can't explain that occurs. Such phenomena include patients who get better sometimes without taking drugs. For example cancer cases,(which we call spontaneous remissions) . However these unaccounted phenomena happens in both religious and irreligious folks. Thus we can't say their faith was the cause. In fact, the irreligious folks that experienced such do not recall praying or being prayed for. So its too random to attribute such to any supernatural cause or deity.
Now to your question, I HAVE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD FROM MY COLLEAGUES ANY SUCH THINGS AS HEALING FROM PRAYER OR ANY ACTIONS. NEITHER HAVE I READ ANY APART FROM CHURCH GATHERINGS WHICH OF COURSE CANT BE VERIFIED.
I always tell those christians or their pastors to come to my hospital where I have real sick people

Image123:
You must be more foolish than i think to insinuate that the Bible should not be quoted on the religion section of the forum when talking about religion. What should rather be quoted, Ababio?
We are talking about religion, spirit, soul, not about Mohammed. i have no such time to waste BTW. i would not be found dead debating with a muslin on what Mohammed did. It's his business not mine.

I made an analogy for you and you got triggered. Lol.
By the way, so you would like to quote the bible in the religion section but wouldn't like the koran to be quoted in arguments? Lol. Look at your hypocrisy.
Let me put it clearly.
If a Muslim puts up a thread that Mohammed split the moon and is indeed greater than Jesus, and proceeds to quote his Koran to back him up, would you believe him? Yes or no. Give evidence

budaatum:
Try to see the individual as the teaching tool who provokes you to spread knowledge.

For while it may seem you need to tie to a desk the individual you responded to, please know that many others are reading what you write and are learning and evolving.

P.s. The 'poor' below are the learners, and not those others who came for miracles and wonders and spectacles.

Bro, its a stretch garnering all those evolution evidence. The works of evolutionary biologist and scientists are voluminous but I'll try my best and put up a thread soon. I'll tag you

Aemmyjah:
All the process leading to the formation of zygote and childbirth is product of mere chance?
You should be preaching to those people that wear rags on the streets. You and them are same flock

Your gyne doctor said?
Why not ask women around you and your wife if it's easy

1. Lemme ask you, idiota. When you eat rice and it ends up as feces, was it your Yahweh that made it? Please answer this
2. Idiota, there's nothing like gyne doctor. Its a tautology. Its gyne

Dtruthspeaker:
You missed his first evidence which is a fact that outside the bible which is

"1) The existence of an orderly universe containing life points to a Creator."

So narrowing your argument down to biblical evidence distracted you from the argument which is "Existence of God" as you said.



Your words sink you.
"Budaatum has amply demonstrated this fact to you".

Meaning, you did not do the demonstration but you relied on budaatum as your authority, hence appeal to budaatum as your authority.



I am sure you don't know it else you wouldn't have raised it up for clearly you abandoned the argument and started angrily attacking his person saying

"because you are thicker than two short wet planks. Your pastors have done a good job locking up your brain cells and throwing away the keys. You cannot fathom simple facts or even common knowledge outside the confines of your religion.

Plus, you've completely lost your mind if you think any of the sad litters of trash you've posted so far constitute "fact". You wouldn't know FACT if it ran you down ten times with a packed molue along your street. I already suspected you were a blundering dimwit

So, is it not him you were attacking rather than the argument "Existence of God"?



And here you are ad homineming me.

All Because you are not able to argue.

Thanks anyway for showing you atheists can't argue that the only thing you guys do is commit fallacies and insult/attack the person rather than the argument.

You absolutely have no idea about fallacies. You don't know what strawman is, neither do you know ad hominem.
Look who is talking about someone attacking another person. You are so obnoxious that even other christians hate you for it, never mind atheists. You cuss, abuse etc when nobody having a civil discourse

Aemmyjah:
Assumptions and stories as usual

You say nobody knows but your assumption is what you teach as fact abd those that give credit to a Designer are not intelligent. Olodo pro max

What is the name of this 'designer'?

Aemmyjah:
You did not drop any evidence
Just stories
Foolishness makes sense to your kind
So rest

Evidence of what? Dude says no one knows how the earth came about and you want him to drop evidence.
Sometimes I think theists are first class idiottas

Image123:
It's proper to ask you like you asked someone recently, "Have you been reading my comments or you're a bot?" Now, follow me logically, if that's not too much to ask.

Little reed riding hood hoped that religion will die since people are becoming educated and prosperous, according to someone.
i replied that unfounded hope by saying that as long as man has soul and spirit, religion is going nowhere.
You ran in looking for evidence of soul and spirit.
i obliged you as a good person that i always am. Showing you with scriptures backing what religion, soul and spirit refer to.
It didn't fit what you want, you came in mumbling some nonsense about me quoting Bible and therefore you want to quote also.
i didn't take the bait leading to nowhere.
Then you came again very pained talking about 10 christians and IQ. i advice you to be less emotional.

Your error is looking at you in your face, but you're too deluded to know.
The bolded is your error. Imagine if youre debating with a muslim that Mohammed split the moon. And he goes ahead to quote the koran to back him up, would you believe him? Yes or no? And give reasons
Thank you

Thorrn:
Interesting accusation. Let's examine it, shall we?



1. The argument is about the existence of God/s.

2. OP has to provide evidence/s to justify the existence of God/s.

3. OP presented the Bible as proof that his god exists.

4. Unfortunately, the Bible does not qualify as proof because the Bible already presupposes the existence of God, and is therefore flawed. It's like using the Harry Potter novels to prove the existence of Dementors.



You're wrong as usual.

It would have been an appeal to authority if I had said "Your argument is wrong because budaatum said so".

What I said was "Your argument is wrong because of X, which budaatum already pointed out

I don't expect you to note the difference between those two statements.



I'm not sure you even understand what an ad hominem is.



Given previous interactions with you, I know for a fact that you are[b] far less intelligent[/b] than Aemmyjah and 90% of the users here so I don't rate your contributions in the slightest.



If it helps you go about your day without anxiety, that's your kettle of fish.

There are many other jousting that title with him. Maxindhouse, Oladeegbu are the two I can remember. The epitome of daftness

Emusan:
And you said you have watched the video.

Definitely, either you didn't watch it or you watch it but lie.

Again point me out to the particular point. I may have missed it

cornelboy:
As if the parents gave birth to their children in their own power. No be person wey design them then go give praise to? The fact that jaephoenix is here today is the product of the intelligence of the designer.

Atheist are like a poor man who went home one day and found billions of dollars in his room. He also saw an address. Instead of looking for the address of his helper and show is gratitude, he was spending the money lavishly and even made people believe that the money came from his hard work lol

If they believe life and everything came by chance of course they can believe anything just to negate God.

So you believe I was designed? Okay.
So how come this designer give women babies that would kill them(the women) during the pregnancies? How come he makes babies that would be killers like Hitler, knowing all right that they would kill people including his own people(christians)?

cornelboy:
Yes it's incoherent. The creator doesn't have to have another designer, any objections?

No. Then the universe doesn't have to have a designer, any objections?

cornelboy:
Hahaha who says that the creator came in the first place. He's been existing without a beginning and everything you see belongs to him. Keep asking your dumb question.

If the creator has another creator, where do you think the chains of creator would end, infinity?

It's very logical to say the mastermind started everything. All the credits go to him.

If you say the creator has been existing since eternity, then why can't humans and the universe exist since eternity?
No need to ask you for evidence of the bolded, cos you won't provide such.

cornelboy:
Lol the phone I'm using is from science. I enjoy a lot from science.
Don't talk as if all scientists believe in your "science myths" or science exists as an alternative for the creator.

All your billions of years ago, evolution theories, bigbang are all assumptions not fact. It's so funny you believe that humans evolved from the great ape and condemn us for believing in the Bible.
It's far logical to believe the bible than your articles filled with myths that are far from reality.

1. What scientific myths are you talking about? Be specific. Evolution is backed by science 100%. There are evolutional biologists and scientists.
2. All scientists must not believe in evolution(especially the religious ones even though they don't have the evidence to counter it) but science itself backs evolution up, to the hilt. There are many evidences which I have provided here. You can read up yourself (which I think you won't). So no, evolution isn't a theory. I repeat, evolution isn't a theory. Big Bang is a theory, and not related to evolution. Its unfortunate you and Aemmyjah don't know diddly squat about evolution but have been arguing for days about a topic you have no idea about.
3. Logic is the study of correct reasoning, including both formal and informal logic. Formal logic is the science of deductively valid inferences or logical truths. Logic bases on premises of facts, and facts are based on verifiable data. Evolution can be verified via genetics, embryology, history, archeology, paleontology etc. We evolved from the Great Apes cos research of fossils gives us the data. These data can be verified today, tomorrow, 50 years etc. It can be verified by anyone, anywhere.
Religion is not based on logic. It is based on faith, the very opposite of logic. The bible even blesses those that believe without seeing. The bible creation stories cannot be verified or accounted for, so how can it be facts?
How can you believe a god popped outta thin air, created the earth, made man from mud and then woman from the man's rib. Are these verifiable? No. So how can they be factual? You only believe it cos a certain book says so. Would you believe the Muslim creation story too since their own book says so? Would also believe thousands of other creation stories which were stated in books? If I believe your own version, why shouldn't I believe the Muslim version, or the Hindu, Aztec, Greek, Egyptian, Mayan etc versions which were all recorded on their own holy books?

cornelboy:
Na atheist create logic?

Logic goes against religion, just so you know

Aemmyjah:
They should have believed they form by accident na
😁

They believed it was from the gods, not by accident.
You think you're being smart but actually youre getting more stupid by the day

Aemmyjah:
1. Either it was lost or removed... Go amd do research ok Pharoah and The semites

2. There's even archeological evidence that mentions Abram and fits what the Bible said about him purchasing a field. Jesus is a historical person. You want to tell us that Muhammed is mythical too?
Sense is far from you

3. Were they in Egypt? Would you expect the Egyptians (their writing is supervised by the Scribes and priests) to write anything good about the people amd their God who humiliated their gods, people king and army? Thinking is free... Poor critical thinker

4. The Jews so hated Jesus that critics call him a Roman character even though much of his dealings amd miracles were to the Jews and not the Romans. They disregard him and reject him. Were you expecting em to write about events surrounding his death?
Besides, the idea that these ones were raised up to life is not accurate. The Bible says that the earthquaked and the rocks split and many bodies of the holy ones that were fallen asleep (dead) were raised up (or lifted). They were not resurrected to life. The force of the quake must have been so strong that it exposed the bodies of such ones. Similar events also happen in our generations? Those that went into the holy city were not the dead ones but eyewitnesses of those who witnessed what happened. Next time, put your brain in your head and read Bible, not in your pocket

1. Lol.
The word “pharaoh” is an Old Egyptian word meaning “Great House,” a reference to the palace where the pharaoh resides. Egyptian rulers are known as Pharaohs just like Yoruba rulers are Obas. It is a title, so which particular pharaoh are you referring to, dummy?
Also Semites can be Arabs, Jews or many other tribes in the Middle East, so what exactly do you want me to research on?

2. Kindly provide the archeological evidence. And please don't send me to go fetch it. You brought the claim, so look up the evidence yourself

3. The Egyptian historians were Herodotus, Strabo, Diodorus Siculus and they were geographers, not priests. And they were Greeks, not Egyptians. And thus not influenced by any Egyptians. Besides, if you say they were biased, what was your evidence? None. Also have you asked yourself why no history book incorporates the bible stories?

4. Funny enough, the bible was written by the Romans, not the Jews

Its unfortunate you have resorted to dishonesty to explain away your bible lies.
This is what King James Version said of the passage

Mat 27:51 to 53- And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose. And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many

It is clearly written in black and white that the saints rose up from the dead after the earthquake that happened, and went to the city.
Where did you see eye witness in this verse or passage? Why lie so much to defend the undefendable? You think I'm one of the gullible fooools you associate with?

Aemmyjah:
They should have believed they form by accident na
😁

Irrelevant. Not admissible in the context of the argument