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Dtruthspeaker:
This would be a departure from post for all I prove is God which is the topic. But to prove God of the bible above all known and unknown deities is an unreasonable demand becausee it is an impossiblility for you ask of me to know every deity out there to answer this question. And that is an impossiblility.

But the highest proof on this is that no other deity predicted the future of this world which we have seen except the bible e.g. scarcity of husbands, growth in evil and hatred, hardness of buying and selling, the division of Israel into 2 states and it's return to its single state including it's return to the lands God gave them..

No other deity has given any prophecy which people have said this happened as prophecied by so so so deity.

But anyway, this is a departure from the post.



The bold! this "WORLD" consist of the earth alone in which humans are one of the inhabitants. That's why I kept saying that we are all arguing using our knowledge and experiences in and from this world to make our arguments.



According to your wrong opinion and flawed understanding of it which however does not negate the fact that the bible focused on this earth and it's inhabitants whether you undertand it or not, which was the point i made. But this is not the issue.

1. You don't need to know all the deities out there before you prove the existence or power of your favorite sky daddy. Just do it!
2. As an ex-christian, I would talk extensively about christianity. I wont pretend to know much about Islam and other religions.
You see all the claims you made about the divinity of the Bible is just plain bs. Lets break it down.
A. Scarcity of husbands. Who said men are scarce? The issue is scarcity of prosperous men. Women constantly reject male approaches, holding out for richer guys. So how does this translates to scarcer males?
B. Growth in evil and hatred. I'm not entirely sure what this phrase means but there has been wars much worse than we see now, wars that have killed millions in a short time. The world is relatively peaceful than before.
C. Hardness of buying and selling. Obviously you have never heard about earlier world financial calamities like the Great Depression etc. Those days are long gone. There is some inflation now which is as a result of the covid pandemic but its gradually easing off
D. The division of Israel into 2 states. Its obvious your knowledge of history is close to nil. Israel only existed as a nation in 1948 and has never divided since then. This also trashes your second statement of return to Single State(since it was never divided). The land Israel is on is actually Palestinian. The present Israelis were mainly emigrants from Europe, known as the Ashkenazis, Seraph and Misraui

Thorrn:
You haven't offered any new information here. This is just you repeating yourself. The flaws of your propositions have already been discussed in a previous post of mine right here on this thread. I have highlighted the relevant sentences in the post for you to chew your cud on again. Of course, you couldn't offer any substantial defense then and you still can't do so now. Read:



Keen observers will notice so far in this discussion that Aemmyjah has nothing tangible to offer besides mindless repetition of soundbites from Christian apologetics. He couldn't utilize his brain to manufacture an original argument even if his life depended on it.

Aemmyjah, low intelligence runs deep in your bloodstream. You breath it in and out like oxygen and carbon dioxide. As if your obvious cognitive incompetence wasn't terrible enough, you still had to suffer religious indoctrination at a very young age. You need to humble yourself and submit to learning. Senseless rants and bickering will not do you any favors. At this rate, you'll probably die stupid .

From this light, looks like Aemmyjah is substantially dumber than DTruthSpeaker. And that's saying something. From my interactions with both, seems he seems afraid to dabble into areas of knowledge not covered by JW indoctrination. Noticed it with other JW cretards like Cornelboy and their grandmaster Maxindhouse. Cornelboy simply shut his brain when I showed him glaring evolution evidence

Edolor:
Yes God is really exist, but note God is spirit and must be in the spirit to hear is voice, and the only way to hear is voice is true dying to the flesh in other words serious fasting to mortify the flesh, that is when you can hear God.

Many folks saw Yahweh face to face in the Holy Babble. They didn't go through all that bullshit. They were just doing regular stuff . In fact some ate with him. In the modern age, some pastor even had tea with him. So wtf are you mouthing off?

LordReed:
So much editorialisng this so called almighty god inspired book. LoLz.

I would like to see them edit the Balaam and Balaak story. That would take rewriting the whole chapter. The story is plain fuckery at its best. It would take some serious word gymnastics and bravadaccio to make it meaningful

Aemmyjah:
I guess you have not seen JW children before

I have. They are usually smartly dressed. I give them that, smart and dapper. But they are mentally cretarded

triplechoice:
You have based your diagnosis on mere rumors . If that you mentioned never happened ,how would you know?

But assuming it were true , how did you confirm he didn't die from that given the fact that in some few cases it could be fatal ?

One can only begin to listen to you if you were his personal physician or can provide evidence of what
actually caused his death .

I'm not his personal physician, but I'm a physician myself. I was not there when the man died, I based my provisional diagnosis based on media reports about his death which may be biased. So from those reports, the only diagnosis I came come up with is an arrest. I may be wrong based on incorrect premise. The only way to know 100% about his CoD was an autopsy, not even what his personal physician says

shortgun:
Attached is the picture of the drug

This drug is used as an adjunct in treatment of cancers. And it is used to reduce the effect of high calcium from breakdown of bone tissue.
So I don't know what US doc means. The Nigerian docs were right. The best way to know the CoD for your dad was to do an autopsy, then you can sue the docs with evidence, not on the words of a single doc

PCHC:
COW'S SHIT INSTEAD OF HUMAN'S SHIT

Ezekiel 4:15

[Ezekiel 4:15 NKJV] — Then He said to me, “See, I am giving you cow dung instead of human waste, and you shall prepare your bread over it.”

“Very well,” He said. “Then I will give you cow’s dung instead of human dung. You may use it for your fire to bake your bread.” [Ezekiel 4:15 ICB]


This was said in a way that implied God would be doing a favor to Ezekiel by giving him Cow's shit to use instead of human's shit (excrement) for aromating his bread. The bread would still be a defiled bread if baked with a fire that's fueled by cow's shit, but the degree of the defilement of the bread would not defile the body that eats it, unlike bread of human shit.

I know this, because Cow's Shit is useful in the ritual of Sin Offering: (But it's while the shit is inside its intestines, not when its dropped to the ground from the cow). As it is written,

But burn the bull's meat, its hide, and its excrement outside the camp—it is an offering for sin. [Exodus 29:14 FBV]

[See also Leviticus 8:17, 16:27, Numbers 19:5 for Cow's shit in sin offerings]

Besides, Cows shit was used as manure for crops cultivation. It came to a point in Israel that even a measure of Dove's shit cost 5 pieces of silver due to scarcity and high demand (2 Kings 6:25).

Shit here means, bodily waste discharged through the anus: also called FECES, EXCREMENT.

Cow's shit is purer than human's shit. Cow's shit also has more value than human's shit. In the law of Moses, humans' shit was meant to be buried underground or in a grave for it's like a dead human carcass should be buried or hidden from sight off the surface of the earth. Open defecation and open show of human shit disgusts the Lord God: As it is written,

Carry a tool with you. When you go out to shit, dig a hole and cover up your shit. The Lord your God moves around through your camp. He will protect you. He will help you defeat your enemies. So the camp must be holy. The Lord must not see anything unclean among you. Then He will not turned off to leave you. [Deuteronomy 23:13‭-‬14]

By the way, if everyone used to bury or hide his/her shit, there would not be any available for Ezekiel to burn with fire. I heard some people in olden days in Africa had ways of punishing anyone who's shit is exposed and found where one should not have shit: and they do so by pouring kerosene with pepper on the shit, and then set the shit ablaze with fire. Somehow it will plague the person from who's body the shit came out.

Now imagine it is your shit that Ezekiel, the son of man, was burning with fire and using it in a ritualistic oven bakery. Did I just say, 'Imagine it is your shit?' Please disregard that, and don't imagine that; and it was not even humans' shit afterall, but cow's shit.

But I don't know how some people could shit and expose their shit even on the roads or ways where people would see and perceive it.

"Instead of human shit to be the burnt offering, let God provide the cow's shit to be the burnt offering — even as instead of Isaac to be the burnt offering God provided the Ram for the burnt offering." It's better to have your shit buried than burnt. This includes the paper or tissue containing your shit: or rather use detergent and water than paper or tissue.

Scientifically proven that religion kills brain cells. This post proves that.
Cow dung is composed of waste from the cow meals and ic composed of bacteria, some which may be deadly to humans. Yet this nigga said its purer than human feces

Godspeed001:
💥I always tell people that even if the Concept of a “God” is false and imaginary, I am glad to have believed Because it Transformed me into a more better and dignified person.

I always say that whether the Bible was written by man or not, I am glad to have followed because it has taught me wisdom, Decency, self discipline and most importantly, Love. ❤️

💥Whoever wrote the Bible, whether man or not, the person is a good leader worth of following.
The entire Bible is filled with wisdom and discipline.

This is why When a pastor misbehaves, people begin to shout. A normal person can misbehave and nobody will talk, but when a Christian leader does, it begins to trend.
Do you know why? Because the entire world looks up on Christianity and the Bible for positivity.

💥They may be ignorant, but deep down they know that the Bible is filled with good standards.

I have never seen people who don’t believe in God live a decent life. Whenever you see Athiests, Check their lifestyles, there is nothing to learn about them.
They live carelessly.
This is why they are busy fighting the only force that that puts people in check. They wanna live their lives carelessly without feeling guilt.
This is why they are always pained and angry!

💥I will say this again, whether the concept of “God” and the “Bible” is false, I am glad I followed and believed because it made me into a better person.

It is better to believe and die and then find out there is no God, than to not believe and die and then find out there is God.

💥You don’t have anything to lose for believing, but you have your entire eternity at risk for not believing!

If I keep 2 boxes in front of you, with “LIFE” written on the first one and “DEATH” written on the second one, and I tell you that whichever one you choose becomes your reality, as a sensible person that you are, which one will you choose?

Would you rather choose the one with risk or the one without risk?

💥This is not scripture, this is common sense. At least even if you choose to be ignorant, try and have common sense and think like you have a brain. ❤️
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Top quality bullshitery.
1. The bible is filled with multitude of contradictions and lies. And it was copied from ancient texts, specifically the Hammurabi Codes and Epic of Gigamesh. Also morality doesn't come christianity or even religion. Morality came from human sociology. It was in existence before religion came

gratefulheart:
You should have asked the seller mind you the church doesn't sale food.

The church is charging the vendors huge money. Millions of naira. Not just food vendors, but every business like water, services etc. So to offset the bill, the end consumer, who happens to be OP has to pay dearly. Its business. The church is indirectly making profit from sheeple like OP.

Dtruthspeaker:
2) Why would I tell my enemy his weaknesses?

1) i say it here to the annoyance of all, whenever it comes up that barrenesss is the first sign of God's Curse.

So according to your logic, Yahweh cursed some chrissies with barrenness and blessed atheists with children?
Makes sense

joceey:
Continue 2.
Got back to the place ì lodged after having my meal in an eatery and got some take away as my dinner, took my shower was about to have some rest when my phone rang it was her lesha,i was very happy thinking , truly found a serious relationship at last.She asked me if i had lunch and what did i eat? told her ,we both decided to get to know each other better which took over 7hours conversation i was happy getting to know that she is a graduate from university of benin ,also she owned some business including a unisex boutique at G.r.a ,i told myself that she is not a liability she can take care of herself told her i was going back to lagos the next day alot of things i needed to put in place in lagos told her i just moved from festac town to a new environment called ijegun after ikotun so i need to go back to fix alot in the apartment.She said no problem that when she comes to lagos island to buy goods to stock up her boutique she will visit me told her she is always welcome ended the call i slept off woke up in the midnight did my prayers went back to bed past 3am had some hours sleep by 7am i was at Edegbe park was on my way back to Lagos arrived safely got home,all through the journey she called me more than fifteen times told myself this lady is so caring unknown to me she was just an agent on assignment in which it’s her first priority.
After a month lesha told me one morning that she was coming to lagos island to get stuff to restock her boutique that she will be spending like three days in my house because she needed to buy some many stuff told her no problem.She arrived lagos on a wednesday took a taxi to my house,my neigbours in other houses were all happy to see a beautiful lady,asking who she was told them she is my girlfriend,the married women told her that very soon na to come eat wedding rice,everyone laugh over it and said amen.Lesha took her shower had dinner and by 8pm she went into the room to rest,i joined her to gist with her we kissed and hug smooched no sex still she slept off on my chest. Around midnight to 1am i was deep asleep when i heard a voice screaming fire,fire fire, light i woke up due to that noise ,saw lesha awake asked her what was wrong ?why re you not sleeping ?she replied me that she cant sleep because when she put her head on my chest she saw alot of white doves with fire with different light like rainbow color coming out of my chest that were did i get this power from?i told her i was born with it ,asked her to go back to sleep,slept off and woke up the following morning.
To be continue

Ok, its Loud, not Arizona

joceey:
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colossus91
In the year 2009,was a year that i embarked on a dark journey unknowingly to me.I was invited to attend a Christian program in benin city, I travelled all the way from lagos to benin on Saturday arrived at the place in which i was to lodged,happy to be in benin city cos i had a lot of family friends here. I took my shower had dinner and slept off,my expectations the next day was so high towards the next day (Sunday service)unknowing to be that it was a beginning of another phase in life, please take note not everyone you see in those big churches have clean spirit 70% of them are evil spirits on assignment to manipulate and destroy lot of people destiny who came to seek for refuge and blessings in GOD’s presence. The awaited sunday service came with lot of expectations people were tripping in massively into the church the choirs were busy singing and people were dancing i just focus my mind towards the purpose i was there to receive a great miracle not knowing something else was waiting for me after the church service.
After the ministration and sermon,people came out for testimonies and alot of people were healed and delivered follow up thanksgiving after mass prayers the service came to end. I knew the spirit of GOD touched and visited me cos i felt different after the service, immediately i decide to leave the church auditorium a lady of 5.7ft tall chocolate skin with sparkling white teeth with the smell of jasmine perfume putting on a silver on blue gown just tapped me from behind and said excuse me please, happy service and i said same here she just told me ,she like to see me i replied her but you are already seeing me now with a smile, deep down within me i told myself weytin this lady they delay me for i dey hungry joor,weytin she wan see me for i no get time joor make i eat first abeg.She just voice out that she liked me am i into any relationship?the hunger in me vanished i was just smiling gibberishly like a goat about to be slaughtered not knowing that i almost will be,i told her no am not in a relationship for now she said please let give it a try and she told me her name was Iesha told her am joceey nice meeting you lesha she just smiled and we exchange mobile contact and walked out of the church auditorium.
To be continue

Is it Loud or Arizona?

cornelboy:
What's the provable evidence that nobody created the universe, bigbang and human evolution?
They are just mere assumptions aren't they?

Like I said several times before in the other thread, and I'll repeat here,(maybe if I use capitals and highlight them, it'll sink into y'all skulls, especially Aemmyjah's). I DONT KNOW FOR SURE HOW HUMANS AND THE EARTH CAME ABOUT But I won't believe your creation story just because a certain book said so. It has to be credible. There are many creation stories, apart from that in the Bible. Thousands of them. And what they(including your Bible stories) have in common is credibility

Lawag3:
What's the use you won't believe me or the Bible. Anyway I'll tell you if you tell me the reason you are an atheist. And when you became one.

One question at a time.
Tell me the Bible verses and I answer your questions on my deconversion

Lawag3:
How?

He proposed that humankind originated from man-like apes in Africa and that humans are most allied to chimpanzees and gorillas. Further, Darwin seems to have thought that our progenitors were more like chimpanzees than gorillas.
So whats your problem with that?

cornelboy:
He always will swallow anything the scientists come up with 😁😁

The difference between you and I is evidence. You easily swallow anything your babble says, even if it didn't make sense. You specifically ran away when I showed you evidence of human evolution, and told me you'll stick by the babble even when you know its bullshit

Aemmyjah:
I accept what has met scientific approach 😉

And you haven't seen the researches on human languages and evolution before? Something you can easily find on the internet?

Aemmyjah:
Grunt is a language?

Obviously u have no idea about linguistics and communications. There are non-verbal languages and grunting is one of them. Some languages, like those I stated earlier, employ grunting as a means of communication. Those languages are still stuck in the primitive stages of language development

Aemmyjah:
No one has seen or made unicellular evolve into bicellular, how much multicellular?
Where did Apes come from sir?

The truth is science isn't very sure about the origin of man, just theories.
So like I tell every chrissie, your story of creation is even less credulous than those scientific theories

Aemmyjah:
The bible does not teach that the sun was created after plants. Olodo
I'll post later about it

Really? What book did I just post? Harry Potter?
I checked all the versions in the babble, its the same thing

Dtruthspeaker:
Talk about coup d'etat, mutiny and indirection.

Is it not an abomination that the boy who you brought from the village into your house takes over the house and starts to rule it and run it like he owns it?

Interesting. Considering I'm the one that created the boy, the house and everything, I didn’t know this village boy would usurp me. Aren't you indicting your Yahweh here?

Dtruthspeaker:
Clearly man has appropriated the constitution of government upon himself, so it is man who is in error.

… and yet an all-knowing yahweh didn’t know this and is acting surprised

opicgif:
Thank you
It pains me, till today
How someone spoke to me in that manner, and there was nothing I could do, or even say..
It pains

Yeah, continue. Why do you Nigerians love hasty generalizations?
Some people are hot tempered, whether surgeons or wheelbarrow pusher. There are also mild mannered surgeons, and also mild mannered unskilled workers. How many surgeons have you met that are harsh?

Machinegun91:
My newly married wife can not give birth because of wrong appendix surgery by an incompetent doctor.

Her stomach is deformed

How does a botched appendectomy translate to infertility? Why do you guys derive joy in lying against doctors?

shortgun:
They prescribed a drug that killed my dad who was suffering from prostate cancer.

After injecting him with it his condition deteriorated and he died after few days.
A doctor in the US after reviewing treatment my late dad received concluded they shouldn't have administered that particular drug.

The annoying part is doctors are always not held accountable and they are always exhibiting nonchalant attitude together with their nurses from hell.

You would have done well by telling us the drug, so we'll judge if its right or wrong

Wizuman:
I have heard the saying that "[i]the doctors know bette[/i]r", but it is not always the truth.. I have encountered terrible and poorly trained doctors. I will cite 2 scenarios.
1. About a decade ago, my uncle who had been having feverish feeling woke up one morning with blood stains in his eyes. I was assigned to take him to a popular church hospital, somewhere in Oloosha mushin. On getting there, the doctor on duty examined him and concluded we had to start eye treatment, that the eye must have been injured. He asked if d man ever had any thing hit him in the eye, and the man answered no, yet the fùfú doctor insisted we must commence eye treatment. Anyway we left because their fee were too high.
We then went to Mushin Local Govt Community hospital in Palm Avenue. The doctor on seat was a graduate of OAU, whom I knew earlier in the neighbourhood. We exchanged pleasantries and he started diagnosis on my uncle. Guess what, after the excellent diagnosis, he deduced that the man's BP rose so much and his veins (including the one in d eyeball bursted). We starred BP treatment, and to God's glory, the man's health was stabilised and his eyes were clear in a short time.

2. M The second one happened in 2019, to my church member who was down with fever. He was in a community hospital around Ayobo, Lagos, and the female doctor knew he needed urgent malaria treatment, so she ordered us to take him to the general hospital somewhere in Alimosho. On getting to d general hospital, the doctor on duty refused to attend to him. In fact we saw the doctor a few meters away discussing with a lady. When I saw the situation of the brother, I picked him and we went to join the doctor, and he grudgingly disengaged d lady.
The diagnosis started and the doctor said "I saw u when u guys came in, u were staggering. Tell me the truth, do use any drugs? ". The young man answered *no*. Then the doctor responded, "u are not ready to be helped".
The young patient brought out his cellphone and said "sir I saw it online that when malaria parasites cumulative so much in d blood stream, they can block the blood vessels supplying the brain, thus affecting balance, memory and so on". The young man is not even anything near a medical professional. He was a struggling graduate, trying to explore computer programming career.
The doctor felt so embarrassed and answered "aren't u a Christian? Are u supposed to believe such....", in an attempt to cover for his failure. Then he wrote something in a paper and gave me, asked me to take it to d pharmacy. It was MALARIA injection that was written there. I bought it and he directed us to somewhere nurses were, and the young man was given d injection, and we also bought malaria medications on the counter, and to cut long story short, the young man recovered.

Always consult Google any time you are with these so called "doctors'. . Most of the people we call doctors nowadays are young children who weren't smart enough to pass jamb, and their parents used alternative admission routes to help them study Medicine.
Moral of my epistle: The doctors don't always know better.

1. The history u gave the doctor is probably responsible for the misdiagnosis. Although he bears part of the blame for not properly checking you out before diagnosis. You see, the history a patient gives the doctor gives rise to the diagnosis. You said the man had a fever and bloody eyes, those point to an eye infection.
2. The second doctor here is wrong by saying your friend is a junkie just by seeing him staggering, however the assertion by your friend that malaria causes memory loss is a lie. I don't know the site he got that info from, but its damn wrong

Emusan:
God is truly great and awesome.

I did a similar thread HERE

Some facts:

1. Human has 6,000 miles of vessels but at birth only 1 mile is visible even with the most powerful microscope in the world currently, you can't see the rest 5,999 miles.

2. At week 5 the Festus developed at rapid rate, if the development continues at that rate the baby will weigh 1.5tons at birth.

3. The baby blood and the mother blood never come in contact because the baby is carrying the father DNA and the mother DNA. Which means baby develops their own blood their own blood freshly.

Even when science has done the whole dirty work, a regular theist can't still deliver the information correctly.
1. The human baby has some miles of blood vessels and not 1 mile of vessel as OP stated. And the reason is because of angiogenesis. Angiogenesis continues throughout life. Obviously you cannot fit in the thousands of miles of blood vessels in a baby's body. Its impossible. Even when we have wounds or cuts, angiogenesis ensures blood supply to the affected tissues.
And of course, we have 60,000 miles of vessels not 6,000 as OP stated

2. The human brain and head develops faster in relative to the rest of the fetus, at 5 weeks. This is because the brain is the most important organ in the body since it controls everything, and I mean everything, in the body. Even at birth, a baby's brain and head is relatively bigger than the rest of the body. As the baby grows, the rest of the body catches up.
This is in contrast to what OP says that the fetus (the whole fetus) develops rapidly at 5 weeks and stops.

Lawag3:
Educate me bro what is evolution?

The change in characteristics and features of an organism over time

triplechoice:
From which history ?

I'm afraid you are addressing something that has nothing to do with me

I did not confirm anything about what caused his death

I only reported what I got on the grapevine ,meaning, it was mere rumor and not fact.

So I don't understand why you continue to drag this as if I reported something factual .

History means the story surrounding his death. It was said he sat down and simply slumped. That's a classic arrest

Dtruthspeaker:
1) It is church goers who take their cursed wives for babymaking rituals.

2) if you were not stupid by nature you would know how we know. I now understand why you speak stupidly, indomie sperm.

1. Lol 😆
So the chrissies begging yahweh for children and paying millions for IVF, are ordinary churchgoers and not chrissies, and also use their wives for babymaking rituals? I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE SEEING WHAT THIS GUY IS ALL ABOUT? IF THE ABOVE REPLY DOESN'T SHOW HE'S A COMPLETE person, TELL ME WHAT IS
2. In the end, you still didn't say how you know. U well so?

terrezo2002:
It is a pity you have descended this low.

You brought your god here when the OP clearly stated he's irrelevant. So he takes whatever we dish out. Again, can he take a dicck?