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Emusan:
The truth is you lied he didn't mentioned Divinity. So accept that first.



Yes! The problem is, you think is like a random guy of yours on Nairaland. With that 'DUDE'

Meanwhile, this is a professor who work with a Nobel prize winner for designing MRI.



So can you produce just one single sperm cell from lab without getting it from a woman?

[quotAnd no, its not beyond me. The specimen in those videos are what we studied in third year med school under Embryology and Genetics(as a course in Human Anatomy).

But you can't produce the process without getting the first cells from human. Can you?

So it's still beyond your comprehension.

So even though it may look amazing to you, it's just regular stuff for me.

It's still beyond your human comprehension.

If you disagree, produce the first sperm cell and egg cell let them become human.

In fact I had to fast forward much of that video cos I have seen it many times during med school(probably the reason why I didn’t hear the divinity shit you talked about). Thus its not beyond my comprehension. And yes he made a mistake. Please check out embryological developmental errors. This link should help you https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-34294-6

Yet you could ask "Did it occur to you it may be due to phone volume ish, noisy environment, multitasking etc.?"

You're a very dishonest person.

Its obvious you don't understand evolution and embryology.

I do.

Evolution explains how organisms change over time. Meaning takes years, centuries before appreciable changes are noticed.

And sperm cell and egg cell have been doing this BILLIONS TIMES, why there no appreciable changes?

Embryology is the study how a fetus is formed from a spermatozoa and ovum. It occurs less than 9 months. Changes are noticed immediately.

And this process is beyond human comprehension

Evolution isn't meant to explain all of embryology, only some parts. Now humans grow tails while in utero. Is this true or false? And why do you think so? I want you to answer that before I continue.
Thank you. Please don't dodge it. And dont tell me its not related to this debate, because it is. 100%

Even "some parts" is still a lie.

Yet you claim to be guru

How can you say human grow tails?

Anything growth means it's increasing in size.

Caudal eminence isn't growing.

1. I think you have a comprehension issue(which isn't surprising coming from a theist).
Someone told you he didn't hear a particular word in a long clip, then later agrees he can hear said word after re-watching the clip, and proffers reasons why he may have missed it the first time. And all you can say is he's dishonest? Really? So if you didn't hear your lecturer/friend/boss etc utter a word then you're a liar?

2. Whoever he is, he is a random dude. I can call any man a dude.
Since I'm getting to know the kind of person you are, that has poor comprehension skills and grammar paucity , I'll explain further. This is from a dictionary

dude
/d(j)uːd/
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
noun
[b]a man; a guy (often as a form of address).
"hey dude, what's up?"
[/b]
From the above, dude simply means a man. I simply called him a man, but you lost your shit about it.
Next time build up your grammar before engaging me.

3. Not only are you grammatically deficient, but scientifically, you're a thoroughbred dvnce.
Artificial spermatozoa and ova have been created https://www.science.org/content/article/making-sperm-scratch#:~:text=Embryonic%20stem%20cells%20form%20sperm%2C%20with%20a%20little%20help&text=Every%20sperm%20is%20great.,dish%2C%20scientists%20report%20this%20week.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/24/science-skin-cells-create-artificial-sperm-eggs

Also artificial embryos have been made.

I suggest you get your shit together before engaging me

4. So what kind of 'appreciable changes' do you expect in fetuses since sperm and egg cells fuse to form them? U well so? There's no evolutionary changes occurring in-utero. This shows you lot don't even understand what biological evolution is. Give it a read goddammit! When you eat food and it turns to stool, would you say its an evolutionary process?

5. The processes in embryology occur via DNA coding. Evolution is not encoded.
What happens in utero is growth of a vestigial tail. This describes a remnant of a structure found in embryonic life or in ancestral forms. During the 5th to 6th week of intrauterine life, the human embryo has a tail with 10–12 vertebrae. By 8 weeks, the human tail regresses. If you know the length of a human vertebra you won't spill this rubbish. The regressed portion ends up as the coccyx or tail bone. This tail bone is a reminder that our ancestors once owned tails. And those tails got shorter and shorter as there was no more use for it, til it disappeared. Other vestigial organs that still remain are the appendix, pineal body etc.

musicwriter:
One good thing that would happen to you if you quit Christianity or any other religion is that your eyes will open wide and you'll see clearly, in fact, you'll actually begin to understand what the bible is saying when you quit Christianity. What an irony!

Many people reading the bible don't understand that nobody in history met Jesus, including his so called disciples.

Mark, Luke, Mathew, John NEVER met Jesus!! Non even existed.

If you argue otherwise, then show me where in the bible where Mark or Mathew or Luke or John claimed to have met Jesus.

Nobody in history or in the bible claimed to have had any contact with Jesus.

You know why? Because Jesus is mythology, not a human being, and it was well understood among the ancients that any place "Jesus said" in the bible was an ancient template for anybody, any culture to write their own mythical savior/hero story in their image.

Jesus was never meant to be taken as a human being even among the earliest christians- the gnostics.

Again, Mark, Mathew, Luke, John NEVER claimed to have met Jesus. They simply reported a story as it was already told thousands of years before anybody heard of Jesus. That's why they always said "Jesus said to them" not "Jesus said to us". Even when Mathew who was supposedly a disciple of Jesus was writing, but he wrote "Jesus said to Mathew" not "Jesus said to me". But Christians aren't seeing it!! To be a Christian is to be spiritually BLIND.

If you think you know your bible better than I do, I am ready to take a bet with you.

I'll send N100,000 to your bank account if you show me any place where the bible said any of the quotes below:-

"Jesus told me"

"Jesus said to me"

"I said to Jesus"

"I told Jesus"

"Me and Jesus"

"Jesus and myself "

"We and Jesus"

"I saw Jesus "

"We saw Jesus "

"We met Jesus "

"Jesus met me"

"I met Jesus "

"Jesus gave me"

"I gave Jesus "

"I went to see Jesus "

"Jesus came to see me"

"Jesus healed me"

"I was healed by Jesus"

Mark, Luke, Mathew, John NEVER met Jesus!! Mark, Luke, Mathew, John like Jesus, NEVER even existed! They were all invented by Rome.

The dumbest thing I've ever done in my life was to be a Christian.

Those books were written well after the supposed time jesus was on earth. Go figure

Image123:
Not just good, next time read carefully and stop misrepresenting or deliberately misunderstanding me.
i will ignore it because it is none of my business; in other words, i don't care. It is of no value, relevance, or advantage to me if he did anything to the moon. Why would i engage in a baseless and useless argument over nothing? i am more than satisfied with what i have.

Ok. That's the same way I feel. I shouldn't have engaged you. So I'm sorry for asking you to prove soul and spirit exists.
Promise to ignore your posts

cornelboy:
Oh shape shifting 🙃

Have you ever looked at me skulls of ancient humans like Homo Erectus etc? Do they look like ours (Homo Sapiens)? Would you call it shape shifting?

Dtruthspeaker:
Says the fool wearing coke bottties for gllasses.

… and you resort to abuse when you're clearly caught out

Dtruthspeaker:
See the intelligence I always said you lacked?

You asked about proof of God, I answered and now because you have nothing to say, you left the post to go to an imaginative issue. And you think you are more intelligent than a kindergarten child.

You clearly wrote there something cannot create itself. So with that premise, who created god? If u say he cannot be created, why do you think the earth can be created?

cornelboy:
Lol everything you said and in the link only makes sense to you but not me lol.

Were is the evidence? That someone put up a story is the evidence lmfao 🤣

I believe the creator created the first pair of human with their thumbs. I'll never believe humans evolved their thumbs.
Have you see the fossils before in real life? Have you seen the fossils of humans without the thumbs? How are you sure about the accuracy of the dating? 2 millions years ago is not real lol.

What have humans evolved since then?

The bolded shows you don't even understand the evolution of the thumb. We never said humans didn’t have thumbs. We said it evolved. Meaning it wasn't like this before

cornelboy:
Nah it's not a fallacy. Hear me again, I don't have to be religious or non religious before I reason that the universe and life couldn't have come by chance but the product of someone's intelligence.
Come to think of it, if life came by chance and not designed by someone, how come scientists with all the great knowledge available today can't create a replica of a simple living cell?
Life itself is a miracle undoubtedly. You might not agree though but it wouldn't matter.

Water boils at 100°C at sea level. That's a fact. I can go to my kitchen with some simple apparatus and prove it myself that it really boils at that degree. That's a proven fact.

The evolution theory still remain a theory today. Not all scientists accept the theory. There's no prove for it but mere assumptions which I call "science myths".

You guys label believers in a God as dumb whereas you guys are as dumb as you think we are.
You believe in evolution theory just because it was written by a scientist without any solid evidence to back it up. How do you expect someone in his right mind to accept that the thumb evolved? I would rather believe that the thumb had been there all along.

Now lemme talk about "believe".
Believing in a thing or the other is part of our everyday life. It doesn't matter whether you're an atheist or not.
When you get out of bed in the morning, you have a believe that your car won't crash on the road, you believe you would come back home safely. You believe your wife wouldn't cheat on you etc.
You don't see or know all these things but you believe or trust.

Have you gone out of the earth before, is it really a sphere like science says?
Though there are obvious reasons to believe that the earth is spherical, like the rotation and revolution effects, the spherical shape of bodies like the moon or the sun, if I were to go by your logic, I would disregard all these and would only believe the earth is spherical when I leave the earth and take a picture myself.

Do you have a mind, can you see it, does it exist?

1. Why do you keep on throwing up this Special Pleading Fallacy? Who created this designer? If you said he popped up from thin air or eternal, why can't the earth be eternal?

2. Maybe you've not been reading this thread, so lemme give you the benefit of doubt. I SAID I DONT KNOW HOW THE EARTH CAME ABOUT , BUT IF YOU MUST GIVE ME YOUR EXPLANATION, BACK IT UP WITH FACT
Even if it was created, how do you know it was your favorite sky daddy?

3. As far back as 1960 when I'm sure you werent born, scientists created an artificial cell. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cell#:~:text=In%20the%201960s%20Thomas%20Chang,compartments%20made%20from%20artificial%20materials.
These days human babies can even be made de novo in the lab! De novo means afresh. Those researches had to be restricted because of ethical and other issues. In fact some religious nutjobs demonstrated when it was announced.

4. Can you explain Life itself is a miracle undoubtedly. ?

5. 97-99% of scientists believe in evolution. So I don't even know where you get your lies from. The overwhelming majority of biologists accept evolution. Those who know professionally the evidence for evolution cannot deny it. Scientists agree that the evolutionary origin of animals and plants is a scientific conclusion beyond reasonable doubt.
Of course there would be naysayers. Every profession has it. For example, the covid pandemic exposed the disagreement amongst medical professions. A tiny fraction of physicians believe Covid vax caused more harm than good, even though there is overwhelming evidence. Would you say Covid vax is debatable? Some also believe hydrochoroquinine (HCQ) can cure it(even though it wasn't proven).
There are even a branch of biologist known as evolution biology. Fossils back up these evolutionary points. Would you say the fossils are lies? So evolution isn't a theory, but 100% FACTS.

6. A theist that believes that Yahweh popped outta thin air, created man outta mud and woman outta a rib says evolution is a scam. Whoa. Have you studied the fossils of human ancestors? No. Yet you are sure its a scam.

7. About belief, all you said is funny.
What has all you said gotta do with your faith as a Christian?

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet we both know much better than you who does not even know anything beyond making sentences.

ok. If you say so

Emusan:
So you didn't watch it properly in the first place before you lied that he didn't mention divinity.



Imagine, he is DUDE to you.

Well, this exposed your first lie.



Where is the question?



But it's DIVINITY

I guess, you don't understand the meaning of DIVINITY.



And beyond any Human comprehension and Divinity.



But it's beyond your comprehension.



He didn't lie.



Everyone knows this but the point is EVOLUTION can't achieve that process.



As usual, started throwing insult because of hatred. The point is, evolution can't achieve embryo development.

I said I didn't hear it the first time. Did it occur to you it may be due to phone volume ish, noisy environment, multitasking etc. You're just quick to jump into conclusions.
Yes he's a dude, any problem?
So any phenomena that is beyond human comprehension is divinity? Are you aware formation of rainfall, lightning etc were all attributed to gods(just like you are attributing this to your own god) before science stepped in to cure us of the ignorance?
And no, its not beyond me. The specimen in those videos are what we studied in third year med school under Embryology and Genetics(as a course in Human Anatomy). So even though it may look amazing to you, it's just regular stuff for me. In fact I had to fast forward much of that video cos I have seen it many times during med school(probably the reason why I didn’t hear the divinity shit you talked about). Thus its not beyond my comprehension. And yes he made a mistake. Please check out embryological developmental errors. This link should help you https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-34294-6
Its obvious you don't understand evolution and embryology.
Evolution explains how organisms change over time. Meaning takes years, centuries before appreciable changes are noticed.
Embryology is the study how a fetus is formed from a spermatozoa and ovum. It occurs less than 9 months. Changes are noticed immediately.
Evolution isn't meant to explain all of embryology, only some parts. Now humans grow tails while in utero. Is this true or false? And why do you think so? I want you to answer that before I continue.
Thank you. Please don't dodge it. And dont tell me its not related to this debate, because it is. 100%

Aemmyjah:
He knows why women have difficulty in labor. Someone has brainwashed him to think that childbirth is as easy as defecating

Jesus. You really are a work of art.
I now understand what Thorrn is talking about. When you're defeated, you start throwing around all sorts of lies, hoping one would stick. Just like a dying cow spraying feces when its throat is slit

cornelboy:
There's must be a cause for that. Normally a woman possess the ability to get pregnant and give birth. Same with female animals. There must be a complication somewhere.

Do the cases of abnormalities in pregnancy prove that life is without a creator?

You still don't get it.
You have been yammering about an 'Intelligent designer' for days now. How this designer creates life etc. Now I have put told you some of his babies are lethal to their mothers, and what's more, he knows the babies can kill their mothers but he still put those babies in the wombs. Now you're telling me there must be a mistake. If there is a mistake, its obviously your 'intelligent designer' that made it
Im using the 'pregnancy abnormalities' to prove one of your premises is false. And that premise is the intelligent designer

cornelboy:
Lol okay you're killing it

That's all you say?

Aemmyjah:
With his stupid, childish questions?
Like a lonely child desperately looking for someone to play with
You better ask him to go and write application letter to any company to employ him cos it's as if his brain is getting dusty
He's asking me the function of the mind
Asking me if we were taught in school thst the universe had a beginning?

If your science or philosophy teacher tells you that the universe is 14 billion years old, person wey get sense no go sabi say there was a time there was no universe about 14 billion years ago?

The other day, he made comments asking where God got the materials to make the universe? Did he reason same towards evolution?
SIRTee15 has been kindly resetting his brain but when you wash a pig clean and he keeps going back to play in the mud. It's best to allow him do what pleases him

Please where did SirTee15 reset his mind? I have only witnessed an interphase between the 2 on my thread and Maymann was schooling Sirtee how ChatGPT works. You really are a world renowned daft liar

Aemmyjah:
1. Science still does not understand much about the formation of rain. The Bible writer who describe the rain formation said that no one can know it. Today, scientists say that they still don't know and understand much on how rain was formed. Check internet to confirm what I said or you pay me to show you evidence

2...

Show me where science said it. I'm not interested in running stvpid errands for numbskulls

Aemmyjah:
Knowledge that we were made by someone fills our life with meaning knowing we are here for a purpose?
Was Abraham a Christian? Was Adam a Christian? Was Jesus a Christian?

Humans made Sophia the AI. And she knows it. Does it automatically make Sophia's life meaningful? Lol

Aemmyjah:
Show us the facts about evolution you drop. I mean proven fact

For the umpteenth time, DID YOU READ ANY OF THE POSTS AND LINKS I POSTED? YES OR NO

Aemmyjah:
1. That you never said the world came by chaos. That guy is really out of touch with reality. Fooling around Nairaland

2. I don't drop links. I cite them or drop screenshots. If you cannot do same, pls forget abarrit

3. Evolution was verified?
That the universe is a product of purposeful design is a lie? 😢 😂

1. <silence>
2. I asked if you read any of the evolution links I dropped
3. What has evolution got to do with design of universe?
See I'm weary of these circular reasoning. Henceforth you'll get silence from me for these stvpid questions

Aemmyjah:
Is it a proven fact?
Note that it is taught in Biology classes
Many of the theories we were taught were demonstrated ij the lab or were shown on screen. Only one was not. The only one that we were told not the question else, we are not intelligent. Is that not indoctrination? Brainwashing?

Biological theories were demonstrated in labs? Jesus is Lord!
So how was the Biological Theory of Crime demonstrated in your lab 😆

Aemmyjah:
1. Even a receptionist or sales boy that only finished secondary school can prescribe drugs to someone in the pharmacy. The person won't object cos he's not aware of the educational background. He assumes that everyone there knows about medicines and drugs. I appreciate the advice tho

2. My parents who created me helped me to digest food na. See someone that calls himself a doctor. Walahi, you're not a doctor. Even someone that runs errands in a hospital should know 'miracle of life'. It's very common term used by doctors including atheists. Even a chicken doctor will know. Tell me, what is the name of your hospital again?
Because you are able to predict the outcome of something means the process was very easy shey? Maybe i should create a Thread on the family section of Nairaland and ask 'A doctor said labor is a very easy process'. I'll then tag you so you can see the response ... Fake, fake fake doctor

1. I have nothing to say to this

2. You obviously have difficulty understanding genetics. And you say you're a biologist. I wont go through that stress again. If I tell you my hospital, you would first put up your International passport here.
And yes, put up that thread on family section and tag known doctors on Nairaland, and me. Idiotta

Aemmyjah:
When yoh have no evidence, you must Remain silence

Ok

Aemmyjah:
The universe is a product of mindless process. Yes or No?

<silence>

Aemmyjah:
I do question science especially natural science. Many are proven facts. Some are wild, baseless fictions like evolu...

You don't even know any science. From my interaction with you, you're dvmber than a wet rock. So how can you question what you don't understand?

Aemmyjah:
You're the god of density
Show us one parent that will tell you he created his children

I know plenty. Starting from me. I made my child

Aemmyjah:
1. My parents were the ones that made by brain and regulated them to control such processes.

2. Internet is your friend

1. Explain please

2. Lol 😆
This guy na clown. Hope whoever that is following this thread can now see Aemmyjah is a full blooded dvmmy. He makes wild claims, then asks you to looks for evidence backing his own wild claim. Lol 😆
You have no evidence.

Aemmyjah:
Body Weight
Skin Color
Allergies
Lung Function
Height

Convince us that you're a doctor and tell us the above cannot be affected by environmental factors?

Please explain how the phenotypic expressions I listed can be affected by the environment

Aemmyjah:
Who's the more stupid one to give credit to a mindless process?

What do you mean by 'giving credit to a mindless process'?

Aemmyjah:
Your fathers were stupid? OK na
Baba Tinubu made thunder ⚡

Of course u resort to stupiid answers when you're caught

Aemmyjah:
1. The internet is free to getting any info you want. If you really want to know, search it or remain ignorant

2. Same as 1 above

3. All events that happened 4000 years ago are recorded by historians. True or False? Mention the ones you know

4. No Roman wrote the Bible. If you have common sense, you'll see that Christianity was corrupted and later used as a tool by leaders and politicians to keep people under control and go to war...
Oga, the Bible did not say they were resurrected to life

1. I knew you'd say this. Its your regular recourse. Poor you. Lol 😆
You have no evidence. Yet you keep on putting up posts all over the place without providing a shred of evidence. If someone deign asks you to provide evidence, you send the person on a wild goose chase to look for your evidence. Check all the atheists here. Have you seen any of us send you to look for evidence for our own posts? Nope. Why? We are capable of looking up data and we can back up our points.
Now ask a theist to provide proof of his bullshit, he'll tell you to look it up. I have noticed this bullshyt from 3 christians here , and 4 offline Christian friends. Why argue if you don't have proof of your bullshyt?

2. Not all. Some events in the Egyptians period which pre-dates the bible were recorded. Yet the bible covers many centuries but precious lil evidence of the events that happened in that era. What does it tell you?

3. So who wrote the Bible? Please read a lil bit about Bible history. At least we agree on something. The bible is used as a corruption tool
4. You're still bent on lying about something that is in black and white? Men, I dey fear you true true. You guys should just see how dishonest this Aemmyjah is. A passage that is written in plain text is grossly twisted out of proportion. After saying King James is wrong, now I have shown you that virtually all the bible versions said the same thing, you still stuck to your guns. This time without an excuse
Look at you

Aemmyjah:
1. The internet is free to getting any info you want. If you really want to know, search it or remain ignorant

2. Same as 1 above

3. All events that happened 4000 years ago are recorded by historians. True or False? Mention the ones you know

4. No Roman wrote the Bible. If you have common sense, you'll see that Christianity was corrupted and later used as a tool by leaders and politicians to keep people under control and go to war...
Oga, the Bible did not say they were resurrected to life

1. I knew you'd say this. Its your regular recourse. Poor you. Lol 😆
You have no evidence. Yet you keep on putting up posts all over the place without providing a shred of evidence. If someone deign asks you to provide evidence, you send the person on a wild goose chase to look for your evidence. Check all the atheists here. Have you seen any of us send you to look for evidence for our own posts? Nope. Why? We are capable of looking up data and we can back up our points.
Now ask a theist to provide proof of his bullshit, he'll tell you to look it up. I have noticed this bullshyt from 3 christians here , and 4 offline Christian friends. Why argue if you don't have proof of your bullshyt?

2. Not all. Some events in the Egyptians period which pre-dates the bible were recorded. Yet the bible covers many centuries but precious lil evidence of the events that happened in that era. What does it tell you?

3. So who wrote the Bible? Please read a lil bit about Bible history. At least we agree on something. The bible is used as a corruption tool
4. You're still bent on lying about something that is in black and white? Men, I dey fear you true true. You guys should just see how dishonest this Aemmyjah is. A passage that is written in plain text is grossly twisted out of proportion. After saying King James is wrong, now I have shown you that virtually all the bible versions said the same thing, you still stuck to your guns. This time without an excuse

Aemmyjah:
1. Today, Abiogenesis is proven fact. Yes or No?

Its a theory, dvllard

Aemmyjah:
The universe had a beginning and that is something scientists agree on right? It only corroborate everything the Bible says. Genesis 1:1
The universe is said to be expanding too
The universe is eternal

Now, the universe cannot be the effect of its own existence. It is either caused by something eternal or someone eternal?
Something half a brain understand but your dark head won't allow little light to understand anything.
We don't even know 1% of our vast universe. Na the Designer yo wan comprehend about. Can a robot comprehend his human maker in robotic terms? Can a pet know everything about his owner with his understanding? Na the designer of the Earth you wan sabi with your sheepish understanding

1. The universe materialized literally out of nothing, at a tiny but finite size, and expanded thereafter. There were no moments before the moment of smallest size because there was no “before.” Likewise, there was no “creation” of the universe, since that concept implies action in time.
You keep on cherrypicking on science. Its either you disbelieve it or believe it. No fence sitters.
Big Bang Theory doesn't allow the concept of a creator.
Pets know their owners more than the owners know themselves. They know their smell, favorite chairs, etc. Also robots know their owners. Popular example is Sophia. Let me assume i dont know the creator, so how do you, a fellow creature like me with a 'sheepish understanding', know in fact that a creator exists, and in fact knows this creator's mind etc?