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cornelboy:
That's completely dishonest.
Dem go argue tire lol

For example, when Satan was tempting eve and Adam, God could see what was happening but he didn't know how it would ended because of the free will he gave man. He couldn't control it. He had most likely trusted Adam to make the right choice but he was disappointed.

Yet God has the ultimate power to predict the future accurately.
He indeed has a future he's planned for us

Lol. Now this is getting more comedic. Please comedy boy compare the bolded and italicized words and see if they made sense to you. I believe you're a university graduate, or worse a high school graduate

MaxInDHouse:
Atheists will not agree with you because that word to them means God should be able to determine what each intelligent beings with freewill would turn out to be!

So the dictionary was written by Christians? Lol. Max you should undertake a career in comedy

cornelboy:
Even the definition of Omniscient is not ambiguous. It's simply "having total knowledge". God has the total knowledge of the universe, how it all started, how it works, what it's made of, how long it's been existing et cetera.

That knowledge doesn't include our choices between good and bad and the outcome of our choices.
And there's nothing like destiny. Nothing is fixed.

Lol. What is the difference between 'Total knowledge' and 'total knowledge of the universe, how it all started, how it works, what it's made of, how long it's been existing et cetera'. Doesn't the word total knowledge cover everything?
At the bolded, this is simply risible. Lol. So 'total knowledge' doesnt include knowledge of our choices? Lol
Education is really a problem for some people.
Lets start from simple grammar. What do you understand by 'total?'
By the way, if you say Yahweh doesn't know our choices, what do you understand by the boldest words quoted from that your bible…

Psalm 139:1-4
O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
You understand my thought from afar.
You scrutinize my path and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

Psalm 44:21
Would not God find this out?
For He knows the secrets of the heart.

1 Chronicles 28:9
“As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for[b] the Lord searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts. [/b]If you seek Him, He will let you find Him; but if you forsake Him, He will reject you forever.

MaxInDHouse:
What those misinformed religionists concluded and wrote in the dictionary is what he wanted to use as the bases of his judgment.
Omniscient is a presumptuous term because the true God knows how everything He created works but as for what each intelligent mind will choose to do between good and evil that largely depends on the disposition of the person in question.

Oh, so its theists that wrote the dictionary? Lol. MadMax you need to take your psychotic drugs. You have lost touch with reality

cornelboy:
What do you mean by all knowing and Omniscient?

Ah ha!
Finally he's getting it. Your bro MadMax said omniscient isn't in the Bible and what is there is all knowing. Nigga doesn't know they mean the same. And you're shooting y'all in the foot. Lol

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ if you don't believe in God noone will force you but whatever question you have we will answer to show you what we believe that's working out perfectly among us.

Lol. When you don't even understand what omniscient means, you wanna engage me. Kindergarten grammar is really a problem for you

MaxInDHouse:
Go and use English cohabit peacefully with your neighbours and forget about whether God exist or not!

You're not even cohabiting with me, never mind your neighbors. See how you dodged my questions and jumped into cohabitation. Did I tell you I'm homeless?

preciousee17:
Haha, even if you did, you'd be spun around a circle until you realize your answers could never be accepted

If you're honest to yourself, you'll know you haven't explained that Numbers story. Even the addendum I asked you, you ignored it

Pecuman:
Jesus, this is long. Actually wanted to respond but won't waste my time doing this given it won't change the writer's mind.

A defeatist attitude. If you have facts, do let us have it. You never know. You could change my minds if you have legit response

Next question from that passage….
Is Yahweh omniscient?

preciousee17:
Oga, you are right.

The funniest part is that I had said Balaam was greedy before even knowing that Jude supports, and I found Jude while putting Balaam as keyword so I could find the story (since I didn't see the exact place).
If I (anyone) could read and have this understanding on my own, then the book of Jude (amongst many other books) prove it as well, then I'm okay with myself.

For you, you are right!

When you and other theists are done dodging the truth, you would know how error strewn your Bible is

preciousee17:
Please point out what exactly I'm dodging?

Why does it look like people force themselves and pretend to be dumb?
Right from my very first comment, didn't I point out that Balaam was greedy and God saw his heart?

After you started saying so many useless accusations and misinterpretations, I referred you to the book of Jude which confirms that Balaam was greedy, or didn't you see it?
Most importantly didn't I say that, if you can't see it, then you're correct with your own point.

So why still disturbing me? Aren't you contented with being correct?
Or you just need an argument partner?

Jude said Balaam was greedy. Numbers never stated anywhere he was greedy. And he was consulting Yahweh or Yahweh was directing all his moves. So where did the greed come from? Please re-read that passage with a clear mind

preciousee17:
Are you trying to create a new sin for uncle Balaam?
The moment I quote the book of Jude is the moment you want to cut through the bullshit?
Shea I've said that if you can't see Balaam's sin, then you're right.

You were deviating from the point. Besides I asked you Balaam's error and you dodged it. So I decided to cut through the bullshit. So answer the questions and lets move on

MaxInDHouse:
All he wants to hear is that God's word makes no sense so he's not arguing to know rather his arguments is to misconstrue everything and thereby justify his choice of unbelief!

I have never seem you argue with atheists to know about us. So why should I argue with you to know about JW?

cornelboy:
Check out what understanding and infinite mean in the dictionary.

If you read some couple of verses after verse 5 and before, you'd see that the psalmist was praising God for his immeasurable comprehension of creation and everything existing and he created them with his abundant strength or power. For example, he could call all the stars by name. He definitely named them himself.

God has great comprehension and endless knowledge of the universe and that makes sense since he made the universe.

Good. So he is all knowing and omniscient right? Yes or no

MaxInDHouse:
Definitions that will soon be UPDATED like all others no be humans talk am?

Definitions don't update. Its the language that is.
The definitions don't change.
Learn English language. I suggest you begin from kindergarten

preciousee17:
I wish I could argue.
But remember I told you that I won't put much effort.
Theists avoid what exactly?
Should we quote the whole chapter so it looks like we want to retell a story you already know?
Us saying that Balaam was a diviner is 'insanely insane'? But you confirm it too?
Who said Yahweh didn't work with the heathens me?
But I just said that the Bible says that the diviners reply always come from God...
Did I say Balaam doesn't obey God?

What's even the basis of your argument?
You left the point I made and started accusing me for so many things at once.

"Woe to them! For they have run riotously in the way of Cain, and have abandoned themselves for the sake of gain [it offers them, following] the error of Balaam, and have perished in rebellion [like that] of Korah! [Gen. 4:3-8; Num. 16; 22-24.]"
Jude 1:11 AMPC

If you can't see Balaam's error there, leave it please, you're right.

Lets cut through the bullshit. Please answer these questions with a yes or no.
Did Balaam disobey Yahweh?
If yes, how did he do it?
If he didn't, why did Yahweh threaten him
Thank you

MaxInDHouse:
Those words aren't found in the Bible so those using it still need to UPDATE the definitions.
As for what the Bible says such words doesn't apply anywhere around the Bible God!

This is what you posted…

All powerful? YES! Our God can do whatever He purpose and nothing can stop Him.
Omnipotent? NO! There are many things our God can't do because whatever is not Holy He can't do it.
[b]All loving? YES! [/b]Whatever our God does is motivated by LOVE.
All merciful? YES! Whoever turns back from his or her evil deeds our God will show them mercy.

I suspect you dont even know what omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient means.
But I would post them(since you obviously skipped kindergarten)

Omnipotent
All powerful, unlimited power

Omnibenevolent
All merciful/loving/kind

Omniscient
All knowing

They should start English classes in that Kingdom Hall of yours. Y'all really need it.

MaxInDHouse:
That you're never going to get from me!

There's YES and NO answers to the same question so if you detests explanation then do whatever pleases you. I have told you that nobody is answerable to you on this we are here to reason not just read and swallow hook line and sinker without substantiating.

All powerful? YES! Our God can do whatever He purpose and nothing can stop Him.
Omnipotent? NO! There are many things our God can't do because whatever is not Holy He can't do it.
All loving? YES! Whatever our God does is motivated by LOVE.
All merciful? YES! Whoever turns back from his or her evil deeds our God will show them mercy.
Omni-benevolent? NO! He will not always put up with evildoers because He purposely create this planet for obedient mankind to enjoy lasting happiness and peace therefore He will surely destroy unrepentant evildoers.

Have you checked up the meanings of omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent? Please do that and revert. I can't teach you everything

blogginguncle1:
According to the article, there are actual evidence for God's existence, but the proof is in the person of the Christ. It also reveals a great event which is the resurrection.

It's no bait, I recommend giving it a read. It would only take a few minutes.

Wait! So the evidence of Yahweh's existence is Christ (whose existence we still can't verify)?
Oh Flying Spaghetti Monster! How did u create such beings like these?

cornelboy:
Ask you questions again in fewer and precise words with a verse or two. I'll definitely reply you.

What do you understand by this?
Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite

johnw47:
most dum pigdog (see verse), as if i would be talking God's word to you a atheist dope,
surely you have seen that i don't give gold to a no test-is atheist or your fellow girlie false jw's
you so dum, aren't you, of course

Mat_7:6  "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

but i do put you in your place and kick your bum, don't i dummy


don't you go fretting though dum dum, your corny boy gave you a like

Ok. No p

johnw47:
God didn't create evil satan corny boy, God created him the brightest of all the holy angels,
after his fall satan became one of his names

you have said God doesn't know everything and now you say God even knew adam would disobey Him,
see how dum and confused you are, post after post

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

You're the confused one here. If Yahweh is omniscient, he should have known Satan would rebel and cause people to sin, would he?

MaxInDHouse:
Potency in the case of omni-potent has to do with ability to do anything whether good or evil but Abraham challenged God saying:
it's unthinkable of God to do what is wrong! Genesis 18:25

Benevolence in the case of omni-benevolence has to do with ever tolerable regarding what is evil but Habakkuk under inspiration said:

Your eyes are too pure to look on what is evil, And you cannot tolerate wickedness. Why, then, do you tolerate the treacherous And keep silent when a wicked man swallows up someone more righteous than he is? Habakkuk 1:13

So from the two verses above it's clear that He can't be omni-potent neither omni-benevolent!

Lol. So Yahweh isn't all powerful and all loving/merciful? Please I need a yes or no answer. Not those passages that don't relate to the topic. Thank you

cornelboy:
You do that and I'll reply you

Just take the first verse and reply it. Your dodging antics won't work

preciousee17:
It depends on what you want to find in the Bible, truly, whatever you want to hear, I could force a definition for you. It's wrong.

Here's what to do, read the whole Numbers 22 for context. I'll highlight some points where you'll need to reason out.

First of all, the Bible says that Balaam was a diviner, he knew his work.
Second, the Bible also says that the diviner does all his things but the Lord presents the answers what He Wills (good or bad, true or false).
Thirdly, the Lord sees the heart, and the intents of the heart.

So while reading Numbers 22, take note of verse 7-8,
“[7] And the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed with the rewards of divination in their hand; and they came unto Balaam, and spake unto him the words of Balak.
[8] And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the LORD shall speak unto me : and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam.”

From the things in bold, you can see that people came to see a diviner with their fees, the diviner told them to wait that he'll reply them when God speaks.
Remember, he's a diviner.
Should we expect that he also went and waited for God to speak or he went and inquired and waited for a sure reply. Remember again, a diviner does divinations, not just to sit around after collecting the fees.
Same statement repeats in verse 19.

From another perspective, look at Jude 1:11 and report your findings.

1. I noticed all the theists responding on this Numbers 22 carefully avoided talking about the events that happened there. Instead they say insanely inane stuff like 'Balaam was a diviner' etc, as if Yahweh does not work with heathens. Look at Jacob. A twister, a schemer, a thief, a deceiver. Yes, all of those things and yet a man chosen by Yahweh, whose name he will change into one of the most famous in the world – Israel.
Yes, Balaam was a diviner but he chose to obey Yahweh on this occasion. You people just ignored that fact. So all your talk doesn't make sense. And nowhere in that chapter was it recorded that he divined on his own. In fact Yahweh was the one talking to him constantly like a buddy.
2. Yes I looked at the Jude verse. It talked about Balaam's error. What was his error in that Numbers 22?

johnw47:
good your bored

but i'm kicking your bum dope, and not getting bored

Ok, baby girl

johnw47:
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorn bushes under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


you atheist lie like false jw's, u have much in common

you started con-test but have no test-is

you atheist think you have no god, but you do:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Ok. Think up of another rebuttal. This particular one is getting boring

cornelboy:
God is timeless

God The Universe is timeless

cornelboy:
How did you know the universe came by chance?

How did you know the universe Yahweh came by chance?

cornelboy:
One at a time.

Quit dodging. You can take one topic at a time

cornelboy:
One at a time.

Ypu can take it one point at a time. Quit dodging