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MaxInDHouse:
It's not a literal fruit but choice either to live and let live or enforce his opinion on others as their ruler setting standards for right and wrong.

That's what it means and only God supposed to set standards so different fruits in the garden refers to whatever Adam will like to do but the fruit of good and evil means setting standards as ruler over other humans!

Its not a literal fruit? Well, how do you know that?

schoolboymatt:
the tree of knowledge isn't some physical tree.
It's a metaphor to something.

Lol. How do you know its a metaphor?

ichuka:
So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous, and good. Rom7:12
The law and commandments are Holy. Adam was created purely without sin. but there's nothing Holy in him to uphold God's moral command. God told him DO NOT EAT JUST ONE FRUIT, in the whole garden, But he still ate it. Why? Because there's nothing Holy in him to uphold Gods command.
Same with the children of Israel .
There's nothing holy in them to keep His commandments.
Ithe Holy Spirit in a believer aids him to uphold His laws.

Who created that tree, gave it luscious fruits, placed it in the middle of the garden where Adam would be admiring it?
And of course he created Adam(with all these frailties you listed) knowing he'll fail, and still kept that tree near him.
Tell me who's to blame?
A. Adam?
B. Jaephoenix
C. Ichuka
D. Yahweh

Steep:
Your analogy is daft. A toddler has no knowledge of what he is doing unlike an adult.

No it isnt. Adam had no knowledge of good and evil. Matter of fact, the odds are stacked against him. Hes competing against the devil who is omnipotent, omniscient etc. What does poor Adam have to fight him?
And remember yahweh created this devil and knew he's gonna bring down Adam and mankind, but he went "Fvck it, iont care"

Aemmyjah:
Answer is NO
Remwmber that Angels too sinned by marrying wives and bearing hybrid offspring
Will you say that when God was creating the woman, Eve (which was to complement the man), he did that knowing that some angels would have an affair with some of the children?
Reason am

Relevant Verses where yahweh said he's omniscient

Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:4
Even before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O Lord, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Psalm 147:4
He counts the number of the stars;
He gives names to all of them

MaxInDHouse:
Why not ask for the explanation?

Well you're an atheist so for the benefit of others who wants to know, God is telling His servants to be courageous because no matter the evil bad people scheme it's not beyond what He created so He has the power to undo it all.
Take for instance Nebuchadnezzar through God's servants into a burning furnace after heating it seven times only for the Creator of fire to change the gases and turn it to air-conditioner for Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego.
Again God's enemies threw Daniel into the lions den only for the Creator to turn lions into domestic pets for His faithful friend.

So He created the good and evil simply means He has the power to change what we know as evil (destructive) like fire to good (air-conditioner)

May you have PEACE!

What do you understand by 'Creating evil? '
Use your brain and think

Steep:
Yes God knew Adam and eve would fall but however it is as a result of their choices. God gave man ability to make choices and he would not hamper that ability even if it is evil but rather man would be held accountable.

God gave man free will so that man could fellowship with him. Free will means that we can choose to follow God or reject him, God desires those who would worship him in truth and in spirit.

However, God put things in place to enable man make the right choice eg by giving Him his laws.

God knows that man would fall and he prepares salvation for man through christ sacrifice.

God ordained Jesus to be our salvation before creation started.

The real damnation lies in rejecting God's salvation because there is no other salvation plan apart from Jesus.


Take note in everything God does he did not change the ordinal design of giving man free will because that is what he desires but he provided means for us to be saved from our bad choices which is Jesus Christ and his finished work on the cross.

You keep hot oil on a table. A toddler knocks it over and gets a major burns which kills him. And whats more, you knew that hot oil would kill the poor boy, but that didn't stop you from keeping it.
Yep. Lets blame that toddler

NNTR:
You mistake, what is pure and adulterated guesswork for omniscience and equate it to mean know-all, see-all

I'll repeat here so you'll notice.
Adam was not a child.
Adam was capable of doing the right thing.
Adam was not deceived.
Adam betrayed the trust placed in him

I dont see your answer to this question

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

How? What trust? Yahweh already knew he'd fall.
Are you saying Yahweh aint omniscient?
You chrissies keep shooting yourself in the foot

Dtruthspeaker:
I have just shown you an example and a case where you were all knowing.



Inspite of that our children have tried plucking our ceiling fans, eating soaps and drinking kerosene to their deaths. And you were aware that all these could happen.

So, judge yourself, are you irresponsible and stupid for having all these things in your house?

Yup

Dtruthspeaker:
Sure.



My number 1 Answer is because it is His House and He can put whatever He likes in it, exactly as you have hypo/sniper and gas cookers and knives and electricity in your house, even though you foreknow that they can kill your children.

But you also foreknow that if they listen to you, they would not be harmed, so no problem.

Just like a man would leave electricity on, hypo bleach around, hot water and oil on the table. Knowing a 3 year old is around. And whats more, he knew already that the 3 year old would die from the hot oil.
Makes perfect sense

NNTR:
1. When you said to ichuka 'Did you not know from the beginning that your child will drink hypo and die? Stupidity ki you there' did it occur to you that God must have very good reason for leaving the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil centrally placed in full view and plain sight, knowing fully well that without protection or a guard, if eaten off, will cause death?

2. Why do you think God did that? (i.e. leave the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil centrally placed in full view and plain sight, knowing fully well that without protection or a guard, will cause death, if eaten off)
3. Do you think it was a stupid and/or irresponsible act from God?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

So why did yahweh do it, knowing already adam would fall?

TenQ:
Man was created with the knowing that he will fall into sin!
1. Man was given volition
2. Volition must be tested
3. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was the examination
4. Man wasted no time to fail the examination

Who created that tree of knowledge? Yahweh.
Did he know Adam would succumb to it? Yep.
Then why create it? <crickets>

ichuka:
Version
I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. Isaiah46;10
Yes,God knows how His creation will end even before He started creation.
He knew Adam would sin from the beginning .
He even purposely gave the children of Israel His laws through Moses for them to break it.

Whats more, he created the tree of knowledge right in the middle of the garden of eden so Adam would see it and sin. So yahweh aided and abetted the crime

MaxInDHouse:
The title "ALMIGHTY" is what they don't know!

They assume that if God is Almighty for real then He should be able to foretell everything including the EVIL thoughts that could spring up from the minds of greedy and selfish creatures. Who will tell them that there's no reason why God whose thoughts are PURE can think of EVIL?
Abraham said about his friend {James 2:23} and God {Matthew 22:32}

"It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you. Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?” Genesis 18:25

God said about Himself:

"They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart" Jeremiah 7:31

No wonder this God so much love Abraham who knew that He is so PURE in thought to the extent He can't think of EVIL!

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things

Dtruthspeaker:
When will the foolish stop being foolish?

When your phone makers say to your phone "don't go into direct sunlight" does it mean that they made them to fall into sunlight?

"Failures love excuses and always seek it!"

The phone makers aren't omniscient. They are human. Yahweh is supposedly a god, and an omniscient one at that. So he knows his creation would sin and rebel, yet went ahead to create them

Aemmyjah:
Answer is NO
Remwmber that Angels too sinned by marrying wives and bearing hybrid offspring
Will you say that when God was creating the woman, Eve (which was to complement the man), he did that knowing that some angels would have an affair with some of the children?
Reason am

Are you saying Yahweh isn't omniscient?

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
God is not aware of such things that's what it means when He referred to Himself as "HOLY" this connotes PURITY in all aspects God doesn't think of EVIL at all but only GOOD that's why it's impossible for Him to think in that direction!

Isaiah 45:7 ►
King James Bible
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things

Alexandersantos:
God didn't create human to fall into sin...God created us to live on earth for eternity but due to their disobidence they sinned against God and by that loosing the chance to live for evenity...

You mean yahweh doesn't know the future?

Dtruthspeaker:
When a person does not want to have anything to do with you, you will not find them eg children searching for their fathers.

And no one says that that their fathers do not exist simply because they did not find him.

So why is this particular father hiding from his children

HellVictorinho6:
i disagree

Why

God1000:
They are both sick


Homosexuals and lesbians disgust me, such Occidental lifestyle is alien to us in Africa

It is ungodly, unholy, immoral, unconscionable, objectionable, aberration and utterly reprehensible.

Obviously you don't know your history

SIRTee15:
I don't have time for reprobate minds like u.
U came into my mentions, started with insults when none was thrown at u and persisted in it.
In case u don't know, above is a sign of poor upbringing and mental conditioning to perceive such as normal.
Now that u know,I hope u will do a better job with your offsprings. ACE is real.
Bye, focus on defending your weak pseudo atheist arguments.

Him sef don start him own lie....
ghengis khan lived b4 Jesus Christ...
No western scientist were Christians.

FYI, Galileo was a Christian, Isaac Newton was a devout Christian.
Guttenburg the guy who invented the printing press was a Christian, the first book he printed with his invention was the bible so commoners could read it.

Bunch of lazy wannabe atheist. Research they won't do and when they are corrected, they start looking for lies to cover their mess.

Newton wasn't a chrissie. In fact, according to his biography, he believed worshiping Yahweh was idolatry. And he's an aryan.
Galileo was brought up to be catholic but didn't believe its stories. His theory that the Earth was round nearly got him killed and he was under house arrest til he died. He was afraid of speaking against the Roman Catholic Church who believed any contrary belief is heresy and punishable by death.
Gutenberg wasn't even a scientist and was definitely not a chrissie. I just wasted my time researching him. His invention, the printing press was used to print the Bible just like it was used to print other books then. I wonder how that makes him a Chrissie.
So wannabe chrissie, lie another lie. I'm waiting…

Image123:
Is there healing or there is no healing? It's a very simple question until you make it complicated.
Let's help break it down further. There's healing but no supernatural healing, right?

This is the definition of heal.
heal
/hiːl/
verb
cause (a wound, injury, or person) to become sound or healthy again.
"his concern is to heal sick people"
Similar:
make better
make well
cure
treat successfully
restore to health
get someone back on their feet
make good
mend
remedy
restore
curative
therapeutic
medicinal
remedial
curing
corrective
reparative
restorative
tonic
health-giving
healthful
beneficial
salubrious
sanative
analeptic
iatric
Opposite:
make worse
harmful
become sound or healthy again.
"the bullet wounds had healed"
Similar:
get better
get well
be cured
become healthy
recover
mend
be on the mend
improve
show improvement
be restored
Opposite:
get worse
alleviate (a person's distress or anguish).
"time can heal the pain of grief"
So yes, that's my answer to your question

MightySparrow:
This is an area you don't know Sir. No amount of arguments can make you convince someone who was suffering and now healed. Who was blind and now sees. Who was lame and now walks. Who has one leg shorter than the other but now has the two same. I have seen these. Sir you disbelief or unbelief sown by GB does not hold water.

The little truth I have in your words just faded.
Any evidence of these claims, sir?

MightySparrow:
What evidence does one who was sick and now healthy? Something that happened some more than twenty years ago and repeated.againand again.
Why don't you visit a psychiatrist whether you are sane? Produce a medical report that will make me believe you are sane.

We work with evidence, bro. Any serious organization does. Thats why courts, hospitals etc don't rely on hearsays or hunches but evidences. You need to provide evidence of cure

MaxInDHouse:
You always misconstrue my post but that's not a problem all you need is enlightenment.

Did you miss this part in my post?



Of course God has arranged that man should be cured using different fruits and vegetables to heal us that's why atheists feel what they want as evidence of God's ability to heal are the things recorded in the Bible: faith healing without the use of any food or drinks.

For your information a type of food may be the cure to a disease but it's until we discover it such a disease remains incurable to researchers (scientists)

So if you claim God healed you the same is applicable to everyone else as long as they eat food and drinks fluids sicknesses are cured but when it comes to healing without taking any food or drinks God never promised other nations except the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that's why Jesus could tell a woman he's not here for miraculous healing of none Israelites! Matthew 15:24

So why would a god create fruits and herbs to heal some cancers and hide such plants(or the knowledge) til billions of people (including his own people and JW) die of cancer?

MightySparrow:
Your professors

Professors of what?

MightySparrow:
Well said. I have evidence. He healed me, my wife and daughter of what doctors claimed to be incurable.

You have arguments. No amount of arguments can match an evidence.
My own God promised me healing and perform His promises.

You need to provide evidence. Hope you know.
By the way, which god heals atheists?

MaxInDHouse:
My God promised only the descendants of His friend (Abraham) that's why the Bible never mentioned any miracles without involvement of Israelites.
Healing on its own has been part of God's plan that's why he created herbs for humans to treat ourselves! Psalms 104:14
But all these noise here and there about miracles is deception!

If only you read your buybull, you'll know non-Israelites received miracles directly from Jesus. Looks like atheists read the buybull than chrissies

SIRTee15:
U know people who were badly trained as a child or those that suffered from childhood abandonment when they open their gutter mouth in public.
because only a rabid dog barks even at a tree that was never in their business.
Pls stay off my mention and better seek therapy b4 u transfer your ACE problems to your kids.

Lol. Is that all u can say? After you have been caught out?

MightySparrow:
Qin Shi Huang (Chinese: 秦始皇, pronunciation (help·info); [b]259–210 BC) [/b]was the founder of the Qin dynasty and the first emperor of a unified China.[9] Rather than maintain the title of "king" (王 wáng) borne by the previous Shang and Zhou rulers, he ruled as the First Emperor (始皇帝) of the Qin dynasty from 221 to 210 BC. His self-invented title "emperor" (皇帝 huángdì) would continue to be borne by Chinese rulers for the next two millennia.


Isaiah prophesied 700 BC.
You are not in Jesus agenda now. If you are He would bring you in . Paul did more than you are doing. I was once a critic of scriptures before.

The Bible says ' a fool says in his heart there's no God.

The same way you see Christians as stupid, the same way I see you on the authority of scriptures I put ahead of my knowledge of science.

1. How did Isaiah prophesy 700BC?
2. So how do we know those in Jesus agenda?
3. Can you complete that verse 'a fool says in his heart there's no god' . What did it say?