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MightySparrow:
Sure?

Yes sir

MightySparrow:
I hope you know the meaning of 'theory' A model proposed and you begin to observe whether they are related with reality. Evolution has not proved why baboon has not done anything scientifically or improve their quality of life these hundred of million out years of their existence.
Man hasn't evolved to something higher. While I commend scientists in their search, science has not proven that the universe is a product of accident but of an intelligent being.
Professor Francis Crick in his work on DNA has same idea.
An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going.
Francis Crick, Life Itself: Its Origin and Nature
Tags: chance, life, miracles, origin-of-life, science

1. Baboons undergo evolution. Matter of fact all organisms undergo it, from bacteria to humans.
https://blogs.bcm.edu/2019/02/12/from-the-labs-genome-sequencing-uncovers-baboon-evolution-and-more/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CBaboons%20have%20long%20attracted%20scientific,which%20early%20human%20ancestors%20arose.

Please where are the grey areas of revolution you talked about? And what are the group of scientists that disprove it?
Man is evolving into something different.
A simple google search woulda straightened you out

MightySparrow:
1. There's no history by any historian beyond 6000 years anywhere. The earliest records by Egyptian, later Babylonian etc. Science rely on carbon dating. Carbon dating itself has its own problems. O think you know the meaning of 'theory '
It simply means the truth of a thing is not known. A model is put forward and see if it complies with observation. With a failed theory another model is sought. Evolution is not definite till today and not all scientists agree with it. It has its gray areas.

2. Genghis Khan (born Temüjin; c. 1162 — 25 August 1227), also known as Chinggis Khan,[a] was the founder and first khagan of the Mongol Empire, which later became the largest contiguous land empire in history. Having spent the majority of his life uniting the Mongol tribes, he launched a series of military campaigns which conquered large parts of China and Central Asia.

Conclusion: Lie.

3. You have closed your mind to the concept of Christianity and religion. Until you study the Bible you will just remain a critic. The question is why are over one billion Christian devotees don't agree with your views ?

1. Actually there is history before 6k years ago.
https://www.southampton.ac.uk/~cpd/history.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_history
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_prehistory#:~:text=6%2C000%20years%20ago%20(4000%20BC,invention%20of%20the%20potter's%20wheel.

2. Khan may have lived after Jesus
3. There was a time over a billion people believed in Thor, Zeus etc, and they far outnumbered christians. If you were a Christian then, would you believe them and dump christianity

Dtruthspeaker:
When you are thrown into prison, you would know that music is life!

I doubt Nigerian prisons, or those horrible South American prisons have prisons.
Even at that, music doesn't keep people alive. What it does is keep you company, but not alive

Maynmann:
Intellectuals care that’s why we have breakthrough in medicine.
Thanks to intellectuals that care and medicine many people lives have been saved by it.

People that are dense like DTruthSpeaker make up the bulk of Africans. Reason why scientific discoveries are far from us

Dtruthspeaker:
Without even pointing out the other flaws in the rest of your presentation "Space" itself is already a something, so, no thing can be created out of no thing is a a Truth that is still intact even though you people have tried severally to attack it. But in the end, it stands solid in place.

So where did Yahweh get the materials he used to create the earth?

CodeTemplar:
they are influenced by it. That why gays can be delivered and hormones suddenly subside in operations.

Really? Homosexuality is affected by hormones?
Are pastors now teaching endocrinology?

TenQ:
Your existence is the greatest proof.

1. You are conscious
2. You are intelligent
3. You can even operate in an abstract sense sometimes.

It is IMPOSSIBLE in the material space that a System evolve out of chaos or nothing without guide from the external!

To prove that God doesn't exist, you may need to compute the probability that
A Boeing 747 or a Laptop can assemble itself given every necessary individual component parts!

If you can't, it's a waste of precious time to engage with you.

1. Which god is that?
2. Why can't that god be created?

SIRTee15:
U better go and check yourself in a mental rehab home and seek help with your demented memory.
If u not confusing me with someone else, u making up stories about me or u filling up your memory gaps with my mentions.
Very soon, u will see me in your dreams chasing u.

Don't mention me again, otherwise u answer to the mods.
I'm not responsible for your troubles, blame it on your fixed destiny u brought from heaven or whatever.

Answer the question sir.
If you didn't say that why were you demanding for links and stories where SR happened

Image123:
Hmmm, how convenient. There is no miracle, there is no God, but here you say they are miracles. Can you be more rational? Are there miracles or there are no miracles? If you now believe in miracles, it is good progress off the road of folly. Then who can move on to who is doing the miracles. Good job, good job.

In medicine, we have some conditions which are diagnosis of exclusions. And we have some diseases which are termed Idiopathic. Now these idiopathic diseases were puzzling to science til the etiology or cause is known. Some diseases like sickle cell, malaria etc had idiopathic etiologies til science found them out. Even now the exact cause of some common diseases are not known. Example is uterine leiomyoma(fibroid). We don't jump into conclusions that they were all caused by evil spirits, demons, bad air etc.
Same goes for spontaneous remissions. Although science have started discovering how those remissions happened, we haven't found out all the mechanisms.
However if you insist they are miracles then you're giving yourself a massive shot in the foot. These 'miracles' also happen to atheists, Muslims and other non-Christians. So how does Yahweh 'heal' those and ignore christians that worship him even when he says the heathen shall suffer and that their prayers are like abominations unto him?

Image123:
Half mark. Get the other half by showing us where he/she said that he/she can heal all manner of disease. Then mention the other 4 since you can't count. It should not be such a struggle. Of course you don't have it, so there'd be some violent rigmarole in 3, 2, 1....
Mention 5 Christians on this forum and the post where they boasted on this forum to "you" that they heal all manner of disease. We go wait till next 50 years. Joker.

I won't be sucked into that fruitless venture. If you don't believe me, no qualms. Next time I have such claims, I'll screenshot it. At least I remember RoyalDiadems claim. You can chat him up and ask him if he boasted that he can cure fibroid cases.
By the way, are you saying Yahweh doesn't heal?

FxMasterz:
Don't mind them. As if they haven't seen God do any miracles before. They explain it away and continue in their delusions. Who is deceiving who?

Ok. Lets assume that Spontaneous Remissions are miracles from Yahweh.
1. Why does he ignore many dying christians and heal atheists, muslims etc
2. Why does it happen to people who don't even pray to Yahweh. In fact, some people that mock Yahweh experience spontaneous remission.
Remember the prayers of a heathen are abominations to yahweh

TenQ:
My questions were:
1. Do you concur that SOMETHING beyond time, space, matter and physical laws initiated the expansion of the Universe?
2. Do you think such a PRIMARY initiator can be subject to the laws of nature?


What you need to do:
1. Confirm if matter had always existed.
2. Then ask if the laws of Physics and Chemistry can exist without matter
THEN
3. If matter at a point in time never existed
AND
The laws of physics and chemistry was not in existence
CONCLUSION:
Whatever Initiated the formation of Matter and the laws of nature must be OUT of this Universe (Not subject to the Physical or Natural Laws).

Okay. Assuming, its out of this world. Don't you think it may be an alien? And if an alien, may not obey OUR own laws of physics

MightySparrow:
Not really, do you realize that the Bible is the most criticized scriptures? The Bible is more than philosophical book. I have been trying to put a thread on the Bible, which by the grace of God, I would do soon.

However, you must understand that the word directly from God is minimal which are prophecies and direct commandments of Moses books and Jesus'.
The rest are history, songs, poetry based on history and personal or national perception of God taking the Bible as reference.. However, all these have acts of God.
The mistakes and differences in reports are pardonable. The word of God is like a nation's constitution which we are striving to comply it as a guide. So, so many writers, especially the chroniclers, write the Acts of God from their viewpoints.
The Acts of our God still continues in signs and wonders and fulfilment of prophecies all over the globe.

Why Academics are rationalizing words and semantics, believers see these things through different spectacles. Evidences are there for whoever cares to know them.

Christianity is a development from Eden to the New age to come. In between, God made His people to pass through all civilizations confirming and enforcing His supremacy.

Until you read with open mind, you will remain a critic . Believers watch the word fulfilled in personal life and global fulfillment of prophecies. These are beyond scientific explanations.

Sorry, I'm replying late.
1. Even the direct quote from Yahweh are horrific. From telling people to murder non-virgins to promoting slavery, misogyny, xenophobia etc
2. No. The mistakes aren't pardonable. Some of them are just plain misleading and some are plain misleading. Like the genealogy of Jesus, the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John gave different names to Jesus ancestors. Some gave wrong geography like how the earth is. Etc etc. Have you read Numbers 22? It looked like a drunk wrote it.
3. Exactly which prohesies are coming to pass?
4. What evidence are you talking about?

TenQ:
Your response in 1 conflicts with your response in 2

Did it occur to you that the force behind creation could be of this world, and not other-worldly

Lawag3:
Yeah Everything that is what you can do what you may do. It's like knowing all possible realities.

You underestimate the power of knowing everything. It's like me wanting to do something God knows I could do it he also knows what I will do if I change my mind he also knows what will happen if I do it he also knows what will happen if I don't do it. He knows that if I do what I want to do it could affect someone else. He knows how it will affect the person specifically. He knows what the other person needs to do to avoid being affected. He knows that this person might not do it. He knows all actions but leaves you to make the actions.So there's nothing you can do to surprise God he already knows

Then he's not omniscient. Simple.
If he is waiting for me to make a decision before knows the outcome, then he aint omniscient

Lawag3:
God does not pre determine the options. For example you have three road in front of you God knows what will happen if you pass any of the roads he knows the safe road to pass and might even tell you if you listen to him. But the decision to pass any of the roads is to be made by you. You get to choose.

Then its not freewill because the outcome is already predetermined

TheMadame:
Yes I agree, but like I said before religion has its uses. It is not all negative. I attended a missionary secondary school and we were taught proper morals.
Missionaries promoted education and some built hospitals. Surely this counts for something.

It does. But then they aren't the only ones. Private organizations do that too

Image123:
You forgot to educate him that proof of something evolving doesn't translate into the beginning of the world. Duhhh. Must i help you with the simplest things? Did you evolve from a monkey or ape? Why have apes and baboons stopped evolving into humans like you want people to believe?

This is the rantings of a pure Ignoramus.
This shows you have never read up evolution in the first place, apart from the garbage your pastor feeds you.
Read evolution a bit. Just google human evolution and educate yourself

MightySparrow:
Although this is not the thrust of the argument. I want to infer that you are more informed, solely endowed with knowledge than all pastors and adherents of Christians altogether. Right?

I don't even understand your point.
We were talking about Bible inadequacies when you posted this....

There are no inadequacies in the Bible. If you are reading it for criticism, you can't grasp anything. Why is it that no christians agree with you. Yet, there are many Christians that have acquired more certificates than you. Pastor Chris Oyakhilome had an D.Sc, not Honourary. Adeboye Oyedepo, Kumuyi, etc are gifted eggheads. Paul Enenche, Uma Ukpai etc are medical doctors.
Don't just stay in one obscure corner and be playing all - wise.

How does this post answer the question

LordReed:
Someone of them reconcile it by saying the god must have used evolution as the method of producing the diversity we see. The god was still the one that started life according to such beliefs.

Lol. A Christian archeologist digging up a 2 million year old Homo Erectus must really be confused. How can he reconcile that with his bible

Ken4Christ:
It happens. But most of the time, there are spiritual powers behind the delay. It's beyond medical explanation.

Lol. Ignorance and religion are bedfellows. Not surprised here.
I remember when I was a Chrissie, my pastor said a man was delivered from a mysterious pregnancy. I believed it then even though a small voice in my brain thought its all bullshit but I said the exact rubbish you said now.

ValeeLove:
God (creator of the universe), not gods.

There are many of them gods? Be specific bro

IyaebeTheGreat:
Don't waste your time rather you should pray for them. Do you think it's normal to be an atheist? They are possessed by evil spirits.

For you not to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you must be possessed by the vilest demons

Jackanda1:
I'm going to reveal how demons of deciet/atheism get ahold of people, if they let them.

1Timothy4:1 But the spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from faith paying attention to decietful spirits and doctrines of demons.

I declared myself an atheist around 2014/15 after been exposed to some ideas that lead me to question my faith. I can remember telling my mum that God doesn't exist and she almost faintd. If i show you some of the blasphemous things i said about God, the bible, church and pastors, you wouldn't believe am the one preaching now, no christian has ever won a debate against me. It was in 2020 that i started asking myself questions, what if God exists, what if the spiritual does exist, what if i'm wrong. I examined religous testimonies e.g 'Todd white conversion testimony' and read religous books especially kenneth hagin books, 'i believe in vision' is my favorite.

As i kept investigatng, i askd, what if this men who claim to see the supernatural.......continue below

What if Flying Spaghetti Monster exists? Have you thought of that? Therefore for being a Christian, I proclaim that you're gonna burn in eternal flames

joshuaidibia:
Yes you're right, but inducing labor is one of the last options any pregnant woman should seek for.

Why do you think its not right?
Are you aware of the reasons why we do inductions?
A woman may have heart or kidney issues and carrying a pregnancy further may kill her?
Also in a post date, the mother is not supplying adequate nutrition and thus the baby needs to come out, or else may not survive longer in the womb.
There are many other indications

SIRTee15:
Where did I say spontaneous remission in non Christians do not occur...where?
U are a desperate liar, clutching at straws. Stop mentioning my name to proof your deluded weak pseudo atheist theory. Only God knows if u struggling with confabulation, answering questions never asked.

So if you didn't say that why were you demanding for links and stories where SR happened? Liar

Image123:
Lolz, when he heals the fibriod, we know your next format na. God healed this fibriod and allowed millions to die bla bla bla, healing is not only done by God yen yen yen. Bunch of clowns.

If you have a reasoning brain, you'll know we are mocking you when we say that. We know there was no healing. But of course you don't reason.

Image123:
You can't count? Mention 5 Christians on this forum and the post where they boasted on this forum to "you" that they heal all manner of disease. We go wait till next 50 years. Joker.

Lol.
The latest is RoyalDiadems. I can't remember the others. I have been on Nairaland for years. By the way, are you saying christians don't heal again?

LordReed:
Abeg send one to FxMasterz maybe he can cast out the fibroid. LoLz.

Please I need his help