MaxInDHouse: If you're truly a neutral observer as an atheist you should first ask the one asking to tell you the name of his own church, the founder and doctrines since there are many different sects claiming Christians and there is contradictions among them!
You have a point there, but I assume he's probably a pentecostal considering the leanings of his posts. But concerning his questions, even a blind man can see you're seriously dodging them. Why don't you come clean
MaxInDHouse: You're a neutral observer yet an atheist who is interested in religious arguments. Ọmọ try to be consistent, if you want to worship ask for the true religion and if you're not interested nobody will force you!
Mutual in the sense that I support neither of you. Both of you are theists in your own rights, thus I'm not biased towards any religion or sect. So take your true religion bullshit and stick it up where the sun don't shine
Does it matter? Does your answer depend on the religious leanings of the OP? Besides the question wasn't asked by the OP but a theist, so please answer them
waleolaniyan: I read through parts of your arguments you called Bible Gaffes. Your objective from onset is subjective and bias in approach because it is the gaffes you were looking for and you haven't find enough, as more than what you penned are still lingering.
When you set bias in research you had already failed. A researcher must be objective with strong critiquing disposition so his work could attract a wide range of acceptance.
If I were you I won't stop on the gafes, but makes an honest probe why they exist, and that will be more appreciated.
For example I you argues God wanted Isreal to circumcise every male, but Paul wrote in Galatians that Circumcision is nothing. This singular lack of understanding of basic bible exegesis expresses much ignorance on Bible Interpretation.
My advice, to be upbeat in your knowledge of the bible you have to read books on bible Interpretation. There could be little variance in timing and writers' perspective that bring scholastic reverences to the bible, but never is anywhere the bible contradicts itself in context, and progressive revelations based on God's plan for man and order of events.
Good job though, but really needs your objectivity, and removal of biases to have a sound theologically inclined arguments. Sincerely, most sound theologian will just laugh at your gafes like a baby who is learning to flex his/her fingers learning how to scribble freely on a slate. No meaning!
Sorry for the late reply. I have been away from my darling thread. Now here's my deductions from your answers. 1. Is a supposedly divinely inspired book supposed to have any gaffes? I mean it was inspired by an all-knowing, all-powerful etc god and yet what he can come up is such a disaster of a book? A book he wants to guide his creations? Think. 2. Your assumptions that since I'm looking for gaffes then I'll definitely see them is wrong. A gaffe is a gaffe, whether it looked for them or they jumped at me. 3. About Pauls contradictions with Yahweh's order, isn't Paul supposed to be speaking the mind of Christ? How come he's saying opposites to what Christ wants? 4. Your verbal gymnastics won't take you anywhere. Can you explain the ones that are out of contexts. 5. The worse is these aren't even the main gaffes. If you are so interested, I have the main gaffes that would truly amaze you
Ọmọ all the churches around you are claiming the same thing but it's a pity that you're deaf spiritually speaking otherwise you should know by now that if they are in agreement there is no reason splitting the church using different ideologies to draw followers. Whatever makes Kumuyi, Adeboye, Oyedepo, Olukoya, Oyakilome, TB Joshua and many more to have halls in the same street it simply means each is trying to prove he's own is best but only Jehovah's Witnesses have what it takes to PROVE it that's why you're feeling really bad but the truth is all of them are against one another otherwise they supposed to be worshiping together as one!
As a neutral observing this argument between you n advocatejare, I think you're dodging too many questions. Just answer him
Did the lifting of the carcass off the lip of the pot look like Intelligence OR a brute strength in action to you?
Oh Flying Spaghetti Monster! What stupid intelligence is that?! If their feet had sticky cups and their exoskeletons are light, then that's bread and butter to them. Did you land on your head as a baby?
Look TenQ, I'm not an entomologist so some ignorance is allowed. But knowledge these days is getting decentralized and demystified. So instead of god-of-the-gap, while not actually use a lil bit of that 'god-given' brain of yours and doing a bit of researching. Most of my knowledge of animals come from watching Nature, NatGeo Wild and other nature media
This is why you are the classic example of the atheist that will fail this exam. Did you see how they carried the gecko over the lip of the flower pot?
I bet you never saw the technicalities they surmounted!
Sticky feet! Arolia are located between the claws at the tip of every ant foot. These balloonlike pads allow ants to defy gravity and crawl on ceilings or ultrahard surfaces like glass. When an ant walks up a wall or across a ceiling, gravity causes its claws to swing wide and pull back.
The above combined with their exoskeleton structure allowed them to carry the gecko. Any other questions, sire?
TenQ: I was told that Sophie the AI Robot was found in the Amazon forest about 210 years ago: and no one programmed it. Isn't it amazing?
Sophia is a social humanoid robot developed by the Hong Kong-based company Hanson Robotics. Sophia was activated on February 14, 2016, and made its first public appearance in mid-March 2016 at South by Southwest in Austin, Texas, United States.
TenQ: Are you saying that the mechanism of the Ants carrying this heavy weight is through a reflex action!? Wonderful : I didn't know that. I once passed a chemical practical exam too by reflex action. I was surprised I didn't have to read for the exam just like the Ants
No. Read my responses carefully. I was responding to your convo with Maynmann, not the video. And no the ant carrying mechanism aren't reflexes
TenQ: No sir. I know practically nothing about Ants as I've never read a single research paper or book about them and their behaviour. But I know that many Adult human beings who went to a tertiary institution will fail this exam. You care to educate me please!?
TenQ: Of course if it looks and functions like the computer (branded or not) it would generate ALL forms of speculations other than "it probably evolved from the Martian elements over billions of years"!
Common sense tells us that the origin must be extraterrestrial to Mars.
Why? To a large extent, we know the properties and limitations of the physical space including planets, elements and compound. We know that the ever-present Entropy NEVER generates INTELLIGENCE but chaos? Its the more reason why we attribute ALL the seven wonders of the world not to natural selection but to Intelligent humans building them EVEN when for many, we still can't fathom how the "primitive humans" acquired the technology for such.
The second part of the discuss is this: What if the Computer-like devices on Mars acquired consciousness and decided that they evolved over billions of years from the natural elements of Mars (even if they were branded Hp or Dell)? Would you think this was a rational conclusion?
How is natural selection related to 7 wonders of the world?
Wilgrea7: This seems like an appeal to complexity, which has already been dealt with in my most recent thread. But for the sake of this thread, I'll go over it again, and explain a bit more.
Complexity exists. The concept of a thing being "alive" in itself is already complex, talk less of the said thing being involved in some sort of order.
Are what the ants doing impressive? Absolutely. It's almost impossible not to notice the incredible complexity and in some cases, order in just about everything around us. But this says nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing about a god.
God is not an answer to the question of complexity. You're only pushing the question forward, and failing to answer it by alluding to some uncaused first cause as the reason for complexity.. which still doesn't answer the question.
At the end of the day, you arrive at the very answer you dread, which is "it's just the way it is", or "we don't know". In either case, introducing a god into the equation is meaningless.
He's just god-of-the-gap-ping his way through life
TenQ: Programmed into you. You didn't know that!? LOL!
Have you heard about reflexes before? Many body functions are reflexes and doesn't require though. Breathing, stooling, urinating etc. A little research should clear you up but no, you have to learn your biology from your pastor. Wonderful!
A fish's body is tailor made for swimming and once a fish hatches it just starts gliding in water. And the swimming helps them breathe. Not much required effort. Just like a human breathing which is effortless unless there is a pathology
TenQ: Assignment : Without the use of machines or any mechanical aid, 10 of you should carry an alligator over the roof of a bungalow from the ground level
Note: If you are in a hurry, watch the video from 1:45 mark. It's just brilliant!
I can't just help marvel at my God. Why? Look at these ants, their brain is probably 1/(1,000,000) times smaller that my brain, yet they displayed this amazing brilliance in completing a task that many civil engineering students will fail.
These ants, Their life span is so short - - meaning that not much can be passed down from the wiser ones They can't speak nor write - - the best they can do is to lay down chemical trails which is at best a mundane way of communicating. BUT They just seem to know They seem to know about organisation They seem to have a grand purpose They seem to be highly intelligent
What do I see: Divine Programing by the Source of Life: 1. With Data and Purpose written in 2. With Instructions and Functions Its a complete AI package written in the biology of the Ant.
If you have any problem with this, buy yourself a cold bottle of water and drink.
My God is amazing and it blows away my little sense.
I have found that many theists have this poor grasp of science that is amazing. Its like a bug in their brain that keep scientific contents constantly wanting. Bro, have you researched anything about ants, at all?
Donkogbe: i dont smoke cigarettes, i smoke weed and i have been taking it for years not even 10years.
When God decide to intervene into your life, he will overlook every thing and send down power.
everything in life is not all about physical miracle, sometimes its only requires you to get the knowledge of what is happening around you and also guide you on how to overcome them.
to brake an habbit is not a day job because you have been used to it, but when you gain the wisdom, to get ride of it will happen in no time.
There you go. That just answers my question. Bro, just look for the nearest shrink. You need a psychiatrist not a pastor. You're getting psychotic. Don't say you weren't warned. Worse thing is you don't even have insight
Donkogbe: i am usually a bad boy thats smoke and womanizer but i rarely drink.
All my life has been confusion as i always find it difficult to understand why some certain things keeps happening in my life.
i lack discipline as a man as i masturbate and this habbit has been eating me up.
Now to cut the long story short, i felt a sharp weakness around 8pm yesterday and i fell asleep not knowing God wanted me to wake up by midnight to experience his power. i woke up around 12am and i went to the bathroom to shower and i was praying under the shower for like 40min and then left to my laptop to work on a clients job.
while working i decided to watch Apostle Joshua Selman videos on youtube and 1min into his preaching he made mention of my exact problem and what is going on in my life and out of nowhere i breathe deeply and all of a sudden i spoke in tongue for the first time in my life. this is not acting, or false information. after the tongue i started crying seriously and was shaking.
i felt like a power came over me and i started praying, i could not sleep till 6am this morning.
i have always say the holy spirit and speaking in tongues are all lies and acting not untill yesterday midnight.
have you ever experience something like this before, kindly share in the comment section
You watch too much western propaganda western news…
If Putin wants to blow up the entire Ukraine in one day he can surely do it …
You don’t know they were USSR before ? It’s like killing his own people if he decides to use brute force…
It would have been different if Putin was fighting against some western or Asian countries …
This excuse is the excuse of the year. So you mean Russia decided to be let its generals and citizens die everyday in Ukraine because it loves Ukraine? Wow wow wow
Negroid001: I don't assume anyone is wrong. We all have different opinions and beliefs for various reasons. I personally like your maturity and direct way of inquiring information. Well as a motion graphics artist, 3d modeling of products and prototypes is what i come across so often. Everything in existence is so complex that i strongly believe life didn't come by chance or the big bang bula bla. Look around you, everthing around you including your embodiment is a clear work of design.
What this entity that put life in motion is unknown to no one. People claim they know it and even labeled it God, cuts across all cultures lol. At the same time, there's so much imperfection around us to know that this entity doesn't give a Bleep about us. Are we to say it's just nature? Nature is cruel, natural process doesn't give a Bleep. That is the natural order of things. Humans have deluded themselves overtime that this creation entity is a loving figure and should be well regarded. When bad occurences occur, they say it is punishment for not being regarded. This was used to indoctrinate fear into early mankind.
The truth should be told. Nature always takes it course. Your beliefs do no matter, physics do.
I don't pretend to have any answers to creation. I look out for evidence, and only evidence. Reason why I remain atheist because I have not seen any evidence of any udfkdgfg, oerwn or god. Now that you talked about this being that put in motion all these things in the world, who do you think created this awesome, powerful jgsdd?
Workch: I think the OP is more of an agnostic theist also called agnostitheism because he believes in the eixstence of a Supreme being but insist that it's unknown.
Agnostic theism, agnostotheism, or agnostitheism is the philosophical view that encompasses both theism and agnosticism. An agnostic theist believes in the existence of one or more gods, but regards the basis of this proposition as unknown.
I figured that from this statement: "There is indeed an intelligent supreme being. Y'all should stop claiming you have an idea what it is. Humans have even attributed a gender to the x factor we know nothing about."
If he had gone further to say that this intelligent Supreme being does not interfere in anything in the universe, then he would be a deist. So I don't think the OP is an agnostic.
Youre muddying the water here. So from your statement, an agnostic theist isn't an agnostic?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Book Of Bible Gaffes by jaephoenix(op): 7:20pm On Aug 18, 2023
