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dettolgel:
Dr you are 100% on point.

I really think it is time we started a nation wide campaign to counter the nonsense our people are being fed by religious leaders.

Lol. In Africa? In Nigeria? A country that is 99% religious? A country its religious citizens would hate on or kill someone because that person is of a different denomination or religion? Dont try it!
You're better off talking about religion in a faceless forum like Nairaland. Besides, most of them won't believe you, and its even dangerous

Dtruthspeaker:
Because the Toyota factory in Japan or china produces the Camry, it is the maker of the Camry? See why I say you are plain craaazy and stupid?

As i said you have a right to be deluded.

Sorry, who makes Camry?

Busybrain2233:
Multiple businesses could mean multiple activities.

How?

MaxInDHouse:
I'm here because of the mention of a title that has a lot to do with me but nothing to do with ATHEISM:
"GOD"

Good. I jump into topics about Yahweh cos the Christians call out atheists. Notice I(and most atheists) only comment in few Christian threads. The threads they talk about how they worship, Night watch etc, I dont interfere.
Get it?

MaxInDHouse:
What about the adage that says:
"actions speak louder than words"?
That's the edge true believers have above all others.
If you someone is your king surely all moróns will take you for your word but true believers will first consider what the supposed king say and closely watch how you concur, whatever makes you undermine or ignore the utterances of the one you call "king" shows you are lying.
So i ask you again:
What proof do you have that these people BELIEVE (TRUST) in a god?

Honestly with actions, I'd rate JWs lower scores in the 'Christianity ratings'. I'm a neutral here and an atheist(and an ex-pentecostal). The best christians would be Catholics. They are least discriminatory and least likely to hate or kill a non-catholic. Pentecostals are laced with hate, malice, deceptions etc. JWs are the most deceptive. Just like you. You keep telling us you're the best thing since sliced bread but your actions speak differently. With multiple reports of child mol@station and the way you people ignore them, I don't trust you.
So if I was a Christian, I'd be catholic or one of these Orthodox denoms. They aren't perfect but they are slightly better

Image123:
Like the OP said and like i just said, there are two paths or sources of dreams. Not every dream is significant. The Bible teaches that dreams may come from the spirit or from the physical realm (mind and behaviour).

Ecc 5:3 KJV For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.


LoLz, you most likely don't even believe that there's anything like spiritual realm so make i quit wasting saliva and ink already, lol.

The problem about this spiritual realm thingy is you have nil shred of evidence it exists. You were told about it as a child, grew up believing it, reinforced by others around you, yet no data. And what is worse, every Christian denomination/sect have their own version of this spiritual stuff, each clashing with the other's view, each claiming superiority. Same as religion as a whole.
Even the Bible verse you quoted says dreams come through 'multiple businesses' which can be translated to mean absolutely anything. Oh, the beauty of religion

Image123:
Most of it doesn't even need understanding in the sense. It's like studying excreta, not ALL need to be studied or understood. There's purpose and time for it. When you do want to study or understand dreams, you look at it either spiritually or psychologically, because they are sourced from either the spirit or the mind/behaviour, not from some laboratory.

Good. So now you say dreams are sourced spiritually, how did u come about this? Do you have evidence?
What if i say dreams come from eating eba late at night and expect you to believe me, would you and why not?

MightySparrow:
All we read today in the Bible are personal testimonies


My life is the proof.


To me, it strengthens my faith and makes me to encourage others.


Do you have testimonies about God's power? I bet you don't. You have arguments and reasons why your God is incapable. His capabilities ended with the apostles.
My own Jesus is real, ready, and constant. Hebrews 13: 8.

1. The stories in the bible have been proven to be just stories: no shred of evidence suggesting they happened. If you have any evidence, do let us know
2. What about your life that constitutes proof of Yahweh?
3. And no, I don't have a god.
4. Now you're quoting the Bible. How about if I quote a Harry Potter book to prove Voldemort was actually real? Or quote Qoran to prove Allah is real? Would you believe me?

MaxInDHouse:
Good if you don't believe in any God then you are here doing what?

OK i guess as much, you're trying to find out through arguing whether you should have a rethink shey?

So what are you doing in a thread created by an atheist?

Dtruthspeaker:
I am saying your machines know more than us so they should do everything from start to finish since they certainly know us more than us and even more than our Maker.

My maker? You mean my parents? Of course the machines and science know more about my body than my pops and moms. Them making me doesn't mean they know how my body works

Dtruthspeaker:
Why? You don't need it.

Need what? The spiritual experience or the 'out of body' experience?

Image123:
Lols, everything can be studied scientifically. Not everything can be UNDERTOOD scientifically.

Good. So if they can't be understood scientifically, how can we understand them?

Image123:
i did not ask you to focus on the wings of the plane but on the subject of the thread.

Lemme get you clear. What is your take on dreams, in regards to OP's post?

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are rejecting your scientist and passing them to me? ;Men, you are a plain craaazy .

I was talking about the scientist that said Sixth Sense is gut feeling. If attributing him as 'your scientist' irks you, then ignore it

MaxInDHouse:
So what proof do you have that these people BELIEVE (TRUST) in a god?

They claim so. Same way you claim here too. Do you expect me to go to their house to ask all of them and also ask you too in your own house?

MaxInDHouse:
Now you're lying to your own soul!

What if i tell you that they are atheists?

You don't just lay claims, you back it up with proof. That has always been your motto!

Are they PRACTICING what Christ taught?

If not then you're just shying away from facts staring at you!

The definition of an atheist is one who doesn't believe in a god. Unfortunately those guys(TenQ, advocatejare, Oladegbu etc) that harrass Muslims all believe in Yahweh, so they are Christians, and of course, theists.
I understand you pull out definitions out of your ass and re-define phenomena with your own parameters.
But I'm sorry to tell you this. The world doesn't revolve around you, or your child molesting cult.
When you have time, write your own dictionary and thesaurus. Call a car bicycle if you like. Thats your fvcking business

dettolgel:
I recall one of my relatives told me that I should becare that these days bad people in my village sends stroke to people. She went ahead to name several people that have afflicted by this so called wicked village man.

I then asked her if anyone among the list is younger than 30 years old, she said no. I then moved the age to 40 until we get to 60 and none of the victims were younger than 60 years old.

I asked her what stopped the man from afflicting strokes to those under 25 years old boys that have been stealing from him in the village, "na there story change."

Like you said ignorance poverty and religion are a very dangerous mix.

Thats Nigerians for you. And this person telling you this may be a well educated person, probably with a Ph.D but yet cannot reason logically.
Strokes are usually caused by elevated blood pressures. And because most Africans don't do yearly medicals, they don't detect it. You'll see someone tell you s/he has not been to the hospital for 50 years, that they don't get sick etc. Those are usually the people that succumb to these strokes and other complications of chronic diseases. In fact, people think doctors shouldn't handle strokes since it was 'sent' by evil people. I have had many patient relatives move their wards to churches or trado house, insisting its beyond us. Of course we can't stop them.
These scenarios of attributing diseases to demonic causes would continue because they are fueled by churches and pastors, who see such cases as sources of income. It used to be trado guys/babalawos etc fueling these ignorances. But churches have taken over the business. And its booming.

MaxInDHouse:
Quote a Jehovah's Witnesses among them and see me caution my brother!

They are all christians. Whether he's a JW or not

dettolgel:
Oga maybe you were allergic to some thing in your environment. I know kids that are allergic to baby formula or certain food. It is a shame that most African family due to ignorance or and poverty they could rarely make that connection or keep a tab on such.

I recall correctly that my immediate younger brother used to get sick alot few days after eating or coming in contact with pineapples. No one could figure it out, it took years before I told my parents it was the pineapple. I didn't even know there was a name for it. They observed it and when they noticed out of ignorance they just said yeah he was a spoilt child and will get over it.

Anyways thank God for your life because in some people it could be fatal.

People get allergic to a lot of things. I had a patient that was allergic to water! I can imagine what people must have told him. Happy he didn't take their advice.
In this part of the world, ignorance, poverty and religion have given off a deadly mix. People attribute illnesses to all kinds of spirits and demons. And what's worse is that some health workers contrive to reinforce such beliefs. Yes, some of my doctor colleagues believe hypertension etc are demonic. I was asking what about scientific research and they waved it away. Ask them to bring evidence about their demonic origin, you'll hear all kinds of gibberish. So this deadly mix has spread all over and we can't help.

Image123:
Reflecting, deflecting, maybe you'll soon use genuflecting or perfecting. All these had nothing to do with what i said in a Religion section of a public forum. Lolz, i am talking Bible in Religion section, you are talking scientific discourse, whatever that means. Do you make skits? Are dreams science?

Yes. Dreams can be studied scientifically

LordReed:
Like those two bit fortune tellers who always advertise in newspapers?

Exactly

MaxInDHouse:
Who cares what works with your brain anymore?

If you say something is not yours yet you wake up each day to mark register along with those adhering to it as their own don't you think something is seriously wrong with you?

Meanwhile the Author of that book said:

At that time those who fear Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance was written before him for those fearing Jehovah and for those meditating on his name. Malachi 3:16

Ọmọ whatever makes you wakes up everyday thinking about what is written in that book you're surely serving as evidence that the Author is REAL!

Your Christian brothers are constantly harassing Muslims on religion section everyday, you haven't for once cautioned them. Now atheists are harassing you guys, and you are suddenly defensive.
By the way, you're derailing this thread. I thought u said JWs don't derail threads but it looks like you're doing a fine job of it.
Please answer the question.

Image123:
Foolish question.

I asked you if you can fly, you replied that I focus on wings of the plane. So I asked the question. So please answer

Dtruthspeaker:
See how stupid you are in real life? Now you have run to "do you live inside me" yet you came to tell us that our spiritual experiences are are dreams in the head. "Do you live inside us"?

That aside, I do not need to live inside you for me to know that you have experienced it. for no one has escaped its reminders or attacks absolutely no one.

Can you explain the bolded?
If you insist i have experienced it, so be it then

Dtruthspeaker:
How would you not pretend to not understand when you can't lie here after inferring that once a person is hooked up to your machines, you would see his dreams and all he experiences since they are from the brain?

So there is no need for patients to talk just hook them up like a car and tell them what is wrong.

I dont know whether you do this intentionally or not, but you go off the tangent whenever we are on a discourse.
There are symptoms and there are signs. Symptoms are what patients tell us. Signs is what we elicit on exam(whether clinical or investigations). Yes we can predict when a patient is lying about some symptoms, eg pain or fever. But we can predict symptoms like headache(even though EEGs give us a hint). So we still need patients to give us inputs via symptoms.
I still don't understand how this affects the convo. Or have you run outta meds?

Dtruthspeaker:
So these people here are pseudoscientists, abi?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25333721-000-interoception-this-sixth-sense-could-be-key-to-better-mental-health/&ved=2ahUKEwi_9v-duYiBAxX8VUEAHbSMCqQQFnoECB8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1bzc8-JNHm5moH78UOK8V4

They were talking about Interoception which they likened to a sixth sense. This is different from what your scientist touted as a sixth sense which he called something like a gut instinct. Those are different concepts. Read them again.
In science, a concept needs to have a distinct and constant characteristics or properties for it to be accepted. Right now, sixth sense doesn't have one. All the senses in the body have distinct properties and modalities. No so for your sixth sense

Dtruthspeaker:
I thought you said you are a doctor duckter so it is understandable how you did not see the idiom sitting on the fence even with typos and therefore ducked it.

You typed 'sitting in a fence' not 'sitting on a fence' which is why I missed it. Learn to read and write before castigating others

Image123:
Right, FOCUS. Wings of a plane, yes.

Oh. R u the plane?

Dtruthspeaker:
Is this how hard English is? O I forgot, you generation had bad education hence you lack good imagination and understanding of idioms.

Meanwhile that is where the point is and it is not meant to be explained.

I thought u said you're a lawyer liar. Where is the idiomatic expression u posted?

CanadaOrBust:
Interesting story OP. But have you u ever asked yourself why we have so many unsolved murders and crimes of just yesterday if a pastor can see back to decades ago and pinpoint who exactly cast a spell on a child??
I never say anything is impossible, I only make these types of observations

Nigerians have problems with logical reasoning. If OP had this, he'd thought that if his pastor has such powers, Nigeria would be better off. But guess what, we are worse off. Why? Because literate and educated people think like that

madridguy:
Stop forming woke brother. Even the so call doctors or surgeon dey arrange black power to treat or operate some of their patients.

This is one of the reasons I say quality education is a myth in Nigeria. How a (possible) graduate would say this, is beyond me

EmekaStanley:
This is a true story of my life. Read this story to end, it could be the most important information you’ll ever get with regards to protecting your child.

No individual ever remembers what happened to him or her in their baby or toddler days, we only get the information from parents, older siblings, neighbors or just about anyone who happened to be there at that time. It was the same with me.

One of the earliest events of my childhood that I can recall was that one particular lady that lived within the neighborhood called me, ‘Anya tititi’, anytime she was passing by and sees me.

I later realized that she was jokingly making jest of an eye condition I had at that time called Strabismus or misaligned eyes. My eyes were later to align perfectly as I got older.

When I became older to comprehend wholly, my parents told me how much I got so sick.

According to my mother, I was so sick that even the doctors could not detect what was wrong with me. I was taken to several hospitals, several tests, no result. It was this sickness that caused the strabismus then.

My mother went further to tell me that at a point after trying several hospitals with no headway, they got tired of carrying me around, tiredness of not knowing what next to do.

She said they’ll just lay me on the bed the whole day, I won’t move and the only way they’ll know that I’m still alive is that they’ll call my name, ‘Chukwuemeka’, and I’ll answer ‘huh’.

The ‘huh’ sound from me was the confirmation they needed to have that I was still alive. I was meant to understand that this was my condition for a long time.

It is important to note that this was not as a result of lack of nutrition because I was rightly told by my parents and an Aunt who babysat me, that of all my siblings, I consumed the most quality and quantity of pricey baby foods as a way to hopefully get me out of that situation.

But as God would have it, and after a long time spanning to months and few years, I began to snap out of that condition with no medication or special attention, and here am I today, a full grown man with complete functionalities. To God be the Glory.

Till this day, even as I write this, my mother and father (of blessed memory), cannot explain all that transpired – the cause, the state and the rejuvenation.

All I have myself are stories related to me; stories enough for me to acknowledge that I was preserved by God, and I still am.
But yesterday, the answer to that mystery seems to have arrived.

Apparently, I have never prayed to God to demand an answer on what happened during that period but he was benevolent enough to reveal it for my use, and also for you reading this. It could be the only reason why I am writing this.

Yesterday, my wife called a man of God she has known even before I met her.

This means I only got to know this man after I knew my wife, and I had not related this story to either of them.

I noticed she was on the phone which is normal for anyone with a mobile phone.

When she dropped the call, she came to me to say that in the course of their conversation, the man of God mentioned that when I was a child, I was so sick that everyone thought I was going to die, that she should confirm this from me.

The man said but for GOD’S MERCY, I would have died as a child and there was nothing anyone could have done to get me out of it. It feels surreal as I write this. All I can say is thank God for preserving me.

Well I confirmed to my wife that it was true.

But why was I that sick?

I didn’t know that till yesterday. And for someone like me who believes in the deep spirituality and mystery of life, I had never thought about it.

The man told my wife that when I was born, I was perfectly fine until someone came for new baby salutation.

In the part of Africa where I come from, when a woman gives birth, friends, family, neighbors and well wishers visit to congratulate the woman and husband on the arrival of the baby. Some bring gifts if they choose.

This particular person may have brought gift but he or she had a different agenda. This person touched me and cast a sick spell on me: a spell that was intended to kill me as a baby. Yes, that was why this person visited.

The world is deep, deeper than you’ll ever realize. The man of God mentioned a specific reason why this person wanted me dead as an innocent child but I will not say it because it is not for the purpose of this write up.

But like every other evil, this reason is borne out of jealousy, envy, greed and sheer wickedness.

I have a good heart, my parents have a good heart. You have a good and so do your parents but can you say that about your neighbor, friends, family, relatives or well wishers? No you can’t, unless proven.

The best form of protection you can give to your children is spiritual protection – through prayers, intercessions, sacrifices and sound admonition.

Due to the knit and communal culture of family in Africa, it may look weird to shut out your children from family.

But they must be protected from both within the family and outside the family.

Again, don’t just let anyone touch your child, especially when they are still babies. Even medical doctors advise against it.

Pray for your kids before they step out of the house and before you receive visitors – whether family or not.

This is not going about suspecting everyone and living in fear, it is about you being a parent, a protector.

Ask God to build a hedge of protection over them, He will. A lot of kids and young people are behaving strangely not because of bad training or as a result of their parents’ sins but because of an evil spell cast upon them by misguided people, either by touch or by word of mouth.

It’s a wicked world; a world where a lot goes on spiritually than it goes physically.

It is a world where every physical event is a manifestation of a concluded spiritual event. Let your children know this.

A lot of people die mysteriously, these include kids, the young and the old. But God saved me out of pure mercy and love. I mean, I was just a harmless baby. I knew next to nothing, I had hurt no one but someone wanted me dead.

You don’t need to hurt anyone before they’ll want you dead. Know this and be wise.

Summarily, I want to thank God for saving me, for preserving me and for this, I’ll remain eternally grateful.

Protect yourself and your children. Give more consideration to the spiritual aspect of this protection because you won’t always be there with your kids.

Execute the physical aspect of it as much as you are capable and leave the rest for God.

As for this person who wanted me dead as a baby, I don’t even know you and the man of God said you are dead.

If you were alive, I would have visited you to know exactly what was going through your mind. May God judge you according to your deeds.
Those who want us dead for no justifiable reason will see us shine and still die before us. Amen


Emeka Stanley

1. You didn't exactly state why your parents think you're sick. Apart from lying still, you didn't state your symptoms so I can't get a diagnosis
2. Neonatal strabismus is normal til about 6 months. And it gradually corrects itself as the baby's brain and opthalmic nerves develop. Babies are born with cortical blindness. So brain development is important. You didn't state at what month your strabismus autocorrected, so I can deduce if it was pathologic or physiologic
3. Pastors do what we call 'cold' or 'hot reading to deceive gullible members. You can read it up online.
So give more info on your illness