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Workch:
the question it's a loaded question and false dichotomy.
You have to understand that some people are neutral and they will ewit for evidence for or against

How is that loaded? Just like somebody asking you if are in Lagos or not. Its either you are or aren't

Workch:
I can't answer it, I can't answer whether or not I believe in aliens. Why should I believe or disbelieve if I csnt just b neutral and wait for evidence

I didn’t say anything about aliens, sir.
Lemme rephrase…
DO YOU SEE ANY RED DRAGONS HOVERING OVER YOUR HEAD RIGHT NOW?
Its a simple question but its obviously giving you agnostics sleepless nights. I have asked you, Wilgrea, A001 and TripleChoice who are the noted agnostics here, but all I get is all flavors of dodge tactics.
CAN YALL PLEASE ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION!

elated177:
jae, you are the fruitcake. Are you ready to engage me on his behalf?

Bring it on!

Maynman:
“ My uncle attended only secondary school so whenever he gets the sense of something that's difficult to grasp he will say
"I see"
Of course he isn't seeing anything that could be pointed to but it simply means he has grasped what others may fail to grasp.”

Wtf is this 😂😂

Same response I had. Really MadMax needs a shrink fast. He's losing his grip on reality

MaxInDHouse:
Ignorance makes many to conclude that they can prove the existence of God through physical things whereas in all cultures and traditions God/Gods has to do with none physical things. So whether God exist or not it can't be proved by anyone other than using an approach having to do with high intellect.

My uncle attended only secondary school so whenever he gets the sense of something that's difficult to grasp he will say
"I see"
Of course he isn't seeing anything that could be pointed to but it simply means he has grasped what others may fail to grasp.

That's how to approach the understanding of God but it's a pity that the REAL atheists have blindfolded many with lies making them feel that God must be seen, heard or even touched before they can be satisfied that He exist.

Most people claiming atheists today are the results of false religious ideas spread by REAL atheists who are claiming pastors! Matthew 7:16-18

What is this sodomist saying?

MaxInDHouse:
That's why i believe SCIENCE belongs to humans in general whether you want to search for God or not so think intelligently because the Bible talks about things relating to science doesn't make it a science textbook.
The title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING not SCIENCE PROFESSOR/TEACHER, the one who is supreme only needs to maintain peace within His domain. That's what is expected of God!

What are you on about?

Emusan:
Out of the topic!

No its not. Just answer the question. Why do people evade my questions here. First these agnostics, now this theist

vdestro:
I am happy that you see that they could be lying and that it is capable of being a lies as every thing used, whether big or small, down to the result they claim to have obtained is fully within their full possession and control and mannipulation.

Thus, all they say and claim is not True!

Dtruthspeaker, do you have comprehension issues? Where did I say they actually lied. I asked you a question if you think they lied. Then I asked you how you think they reconstructed the dinosaurs

vdestro:
Do all this devices not use the things found or fabricated things which are put in them or..., to do whatever work their maker claims it can do?

Did they enter "There is no God Motors to travel to the past to test it?

So youre saying they are lying?
How did they reconstruct dinosaurs?

Emusan:
See question

It may sound stupid. But that is fact. Just answer it

Emusan:
I don't, I reply your post!

So if you don't know then you should ready to take any one thrown at you.

Lol. Ok.
Do you know me? Do you know if I have wings and can fly?

MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Has science helped to keep humans together as one big and happy family of peace loving creatures? That's what only the knowledge of God can achieve. Science belongs to everyone you can't give the wisdom beyond human understanding to science!

What is the definition of science? Is the aim to keep humans from killing each other? As a physician, is my job to defend criminals?
By the way, it has been found out your folks molest kids. So no, I'd rather stay away from JWs

Emusan:
Check your answer in the attached below

Good. That dictionary used an example. That is rising from the grave. Now if someone rises from the grave, do you see the person as a breathing and living being, or dead?

Maynman:
See an example of a “miracle” here 😂

I remember that case. Some christians were hailing the woman. I kept on telling them that the woman has a rare limb problem but it was like talking to break walls. Nigerians are truly daft

Emusan:
How does this address my point above?

I should be asking you the same.
We were having a perfectly sane discourse and you started quoting some fairy tales

Emusan:
Whatever, at least you take it as fact without testing!



The point is, no testing of it but you take it as fact.



You can't say "You don't know just because of the purpose of this thread" you already take Big bang as fact.

So, you don't need to test before taking things as FACT. That's the point.

Do you have comprehension issues or you are dyslexic?
I said I don't know!

Workch:
it's like asking me how do I know aliens don't exist

Just answer the question sire

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ if you can't figure out why humans from time immemorial and in all geographical locations on this planet are searching for God then there's no need mentioning me atheism is dead and buried!

Lemme humor you a bit.
Humans look for gods when they cannot fathom some phenomena like flood, disease etc. Now that science has ramped up its game and can give explanations for such, humans are seeing their folly in their god beliefs and recoursing to science. Areas that are more scientific inclined tend to disbelieve in gods.
Reason why Africa is more religious than Western world.

Emusan:
So how do you test Moses parted red sea?

Was there any evidence it happened, in the first place?

vdestro:
The test of a miracle is in itself in that it is beyond the natural course and flow we know.

So lets say you get diabetic foot and it got amputated. You show up in church and your pastor lays hands on you and pronounced you healed, but your foot is still missing.
20 years later, your foot is still off.
Pray, how do you determine if you're healed?

vdestro:
See another lie from devil scientist because he knows most nigerians church folk do not like sciences and are easily distracted by the toys and stupid boastings they make.

It is impossible to test the past Tests can only be carried out on things found or things fabricated.

It is impossible to test the past

Ever heard of carbon dating, Remote Sensing and Stratigraphy?
Which century did you pop out of?

Emusan:
Do you even understand what is called Miracles?

I guess you don't!

What is a miracle, kind sire?

Workch:
the question is a non sequitur

Lol. You know the answer, and it completely kills your case.
I rest my case Your Honor

Workch:
in science, it's necessary to disprove a claim with evidence before you reject it. I know you re an atheist, so we know atheism is not scientific.



I have not seen a leprechaun creating gods, I don't see how that matters here.

Is agnosticism scientific?

Workch:
we have scientific fact that a human can not cause thunder, it's a fact. We don't have scientific fact as to whatever start or how the universe started. It's why a diestic God question remains very open

This is flawed. Humans can cause thunder but you are simply agnostic to it

Workch:
it's like asking me how do I know aliens don't exist

Its a yes or no question, kind sire.
Is it too difficult to answer?

Emusan:
Do you shout all the time?

He did that to achieve something and now it's time to wait for the judgement.

"The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent." - 2 Pet 3:9

In The Book of His Noodly Limbs, Spicy chapter 4 verse 19 state "I, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I am God. I created all the other gods including Yahweh, Allah, and they all bow before me in obeisance"

triplechoice:
The agnostic position when summarised is simply this;

I'm not going to take a definite position on the matter until I have all the facts concerning it .


In other words, I'm maintaining a neutral position, and not much interested in the discussion yet until there's enough evidence to assert something confidently.



That's it about agnostism at a glance.

Those who accuse agnostics of being sympathetic to theist don't know the difference between deism and agnosticism, and have also spoken from a position of bias .

A theist can equally make the same accusation since agnostics have not made any definite god claims, or support the ones made by any religion.




While an agnostic is someone who wants to be sure of what it really is before concluding, the theist and atheist, are opposed to each other from a position of false certainty caused by limited knowledge.

Deism shouldn't be confused with agnosticism. Deist, not agnostics, are the ones who claimed an unknowable God that doesn't interfere in human affairs.

Okay. Nice theory.
Lets be practical.
Now answer this...
Is there a dragon hovering above your head right now? Yes or no is the answer.

Emusan:
The same way you accept the fact Big bang happened.

Actually the Big Bang Theory was postulated by a Christian like you. Not an atheist or agnostic.
Also there are competing theories about the origin of mankind, of which Big Bang is one of them.
My own decision…. Lets say I don't know. None of them have provided unassailable evidence to back their theories

Emusan:
You think so!

Yup. In the Bible, he was all active and vocal, sending fire to consume peeps and all. Now… radio silence

Emusan:
I don't get your point here!



Well, you can't test miracles from God because it's never from Man.

Though many Theists as regards traditional religions claimed theirs can be tested.

So if we cannot test it, how did u know for a fact it happened?

Emusan:
Well you can't test Theists claim using scientific methods.

Theists claims are based on MIRACLES which means beyond natural processes and anything that beyond natural processes is beyond human comprehension.

If there should be a Creator called God then He should be the one who will tell us how to find Him and not us suggesting a way to discover Him.

How come he's suddenly shy and in hiding from his creation?