₦airaland Forum

Jeezuzpick:
Yet our doctors are doing the same thing and succeeding outside while those who trained outside can't do it and aucceed here?

That's funny......

Well, I do know you can't consult reference books or even the internet in an emergency, it's what you have in your brain that you'll use.

Actually there are foreign trained docs excelling well in Nigeria. Try and ask questions

Jman06:
I'm sure the MDCN are aware of the peculiarities of the different training environments and as such would base their assessments on general cases. Besides, there's no those foreign trained docs wouldn't have been taught diseases like sickle cell, malaria etc which are endemic in Nigeria if they attended good medical schools abroad.

Obviously you aren't a doctor. But let me explain.
MDCN doesnt give a rat's ass where you trained. They don't also give a rat's ass about foreign diseases like Cystic Fibrosis etc cos those aren't prevalent here. So why should they bother about them? Same way UK GMC doesnt give a Bleep about many tropical disease. No Council can cover all the diseases in the world, so they concentrate on their local illnesses. So no matter your school in US or UK, they can't teach you properly on sickle cell than a Nigerian school or hospital

Jman06:
That's because there are no checks and balances in our healthcare system.

Nigerians should demand that government opens up an avenue to enable patients and their families sue erring medical personnel and get instant justice from any injuries, deaths or other losses suffered in the course of treatment as a result of negligence on the part of the personnel. This will help our healthcare personnel to sit up in their practices and tone down the overbloated ego.

This is how you know somebody that doesn't know anything.
There are avenues for aggrieved patients and patient relatives to sue doctors and hospitals. In fact my hospital get regular lawsuits and most of them turn out to be frivolous or outright lies. Even this same MDCN entertains complaints from the general public about doctors. So quit bitching and get to court or MDCN if you are sure of what youre saying, instead of disturbing us.
The issue is doctors and hospitals have an oath of doctor patient confidentiality and so risk being struck off or liable if we expose many of these lies you guys tell on social media

Adolak:
What are you?

A medical doctor or just a layman?

The answer will guage your level of understanding.

Hes a physician

ItisWell22:
All you mentioned were included in mine.

Talk for your set, Chief… 😊🙏

Not undermining the fact that passing foreign licensure exams are quite tough, but basic preparation expects an individual familiarizes him/herself with the prevalent diseases in the intended place of practice… 🥱

If you say you were managing Cystic Fibrosis, Thalassemias in Nigeria, well, I won't say you are lying. But its rare. You won't see questions from them in Nigerian medical schools, that's for sure. And you won't see MDCN examine you on them.
About the familiarization you talked about, you're only given 3 months. 3 months to do what others did in 3 years. Not fair

Jeezuzpick:
Bruh, I'm not a doctor, but I had friends in Medicine as a student.

The way they were loading their brains with stuff, I'm not sure other countries do that.

I know someone who went to LAUTECH for medicine who is outside already. He won no awards or stuff like that.

Knowledge has gone beyond 'loading your brains' and pouring it in the exams. And when you actually see a patient with such cases that you loaded your brain, you freeze. Thats basically what we do here.
Knowledge is more advanced than that.
Besides Americans or British have smart folks too who load their brains too. They are called nerds

updatechange:
And why are most of ours meeting their own standards and theirs ain’t leveling up?

1. Not most of ours. A good number of Nigerian docs still fail PLAB/USMLE
2. You would most certainty not see an American practicing in Nigeria. What you see is Nigerians trained in UK/US coming to fail exams in Nigeria. Not American or British citizens. So ultimately the failing docs are still Nigerians

Moniya4Real:
Just listen to yourself, making excuses for the white man’s level of education. Cos don’t know why you hastily believed theirs might not be included.

Try and understand before making comments. Many diseases and management protocols are endemic to some certain climes. We don't include Cystic Fibrosis, Thalassemias, Marple Syrup disease etc in our medical training here because u would most likely not see any patient with such in 100 years of practice here.
Is it too hard for you to understand?

Light777:
No doctor in any teaching hospital who wouldn't know what laparoscopic surgery or bronchoscopy is, unless he or she doesn't know what he is doing...Even a medical student knows it.Dont exaggerate while trying to make sense..

But Nigeria educational curriculum is due for some adjustments though.

No sir he's right.
Laparoscopic surgeries are rarities and very costly. Our residents have to go for foreign trainings to acquire the skills. And those surgeries are very expensive which makes it less appealing to the average Nigerian

Confirmedzombie:
Why can't they publish the names of those that passed and those that failed.

Its obvious Peter Gringory Obi will soon react on this.

Its not a public exam. Besides they only publish pass lists. If you no see your name, e don be

d33types:
Thank you. This is the simple fact and a well sounded summary above. Unfortunately this explanation isn't for the common demographics on nairaland, most of who have chosen to be permanently bitter, obtuse and deliberately hateful to doctors as usual.

During my 500L, my teaching hospital hosted them, and I understood how/why these FMGs struggled due to being in an unfamiliar medical terrain, and coupled with the Nigerian factor which we all know, most failed. Some of those who who failed are now near being specialists with me in the UK.

I guess you took the exam as your Centre had MDCN accreditation issues?

In fact our exam methodologies here are museum materials.
Yeah. My school had issues with MDCN then in 2005 cos non-physicians like lab scientists etc took up some posts like consultant hematologosts etc. There was serious beef with physicians and non physicians like lab scientists, pharmacists, nurses etc. MDCN just jumped in and discredited my school. And we just finished our final exams. Had to take this MDCN exam in ABUTH Zaria
Quite harrowing

thorpido:
Did you read the Op or you just dey talk your own?

Hes a Nigerian. Not interested in the topic or logic

InvertedHammer:
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I beg to differ.

The question is: What is the structure of the examination?

It is difficult to study and train with modern equipment and be tested on archaic practices bordering on "cram and vomit". Many Nigerians who excelled in many professions abroad were initialed failed in Nigerian schools. Do you ever wonder why? Last time I checked, graduates from Nigerian universities are not world class. They need to update their curricula. Don't be surprised that it is the same exams that they used in the 1980s that they are still using in 2023.

Talk to doctors in your Teaching Hospitals about laparoscopic surgery or even common bronchoscopy, they will look at you like an alien.

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Correct. Mentioned it in my post. Exam methodology is another problem MDCN have to improve.
Our guys here are lagging far behind in best medical practices worldwide. Its when we go on international conferences that we realize we are actually practicing cut and join medicine here

Jeezuzpick:
Nigerian Medical Schools are among the best in the world, and the developed world knows it.

That's why Nigeria-trained doctors easily slide into their hospitals like say na Instagram DM.

Please stop posting falsehood. Do your research if you must. Nigerian medical schools aren't amongst the best in the world. We just have smart students that get trained in poor or average medical schools. We make extra efforts and dig into our 'smart boxes' when we take foreign exams

Lukuluku69:
Of course your are right but don't you think is is best to test these Foreign Grads in areas they would most often face since the Test is for a License for those that want to practice here in Nigeria?

I didn’t say MDCN did something wrong. What I'm saying is the IMGs are exactly dunces for failing Nigerian exams since it wasn't their fortes. Nigerian docs also fail PLAB and USMLE too. Its how medical practice is structured

RECTEM:
It still amazes me why anyone would spend so much studying overseas,only to return to Nigeria to hustle for a licence to practice.

Penny wise,pound foolish venture

True

updatechange:
Wasted money, wasted education… Nigeria trained doctors are better than their abroad counterparts

No sir. Each country have their good and bad docs

Brendaniel:
What this simply means is that most of the doctors that came here are among the worst from foreign countries.

So while we send most of our best to foreign countries they in turn send most of their worst to our country

They didn't send them there. Those foreign docs are actually Nigerians who trained abroad, and decided to work back home

salbis:
May be there is difference between local and foreign ways of assessment.

Good. That's one of the reasons. Not saying some of them aren't dullards but assessment methodology may impact in their exams

africanman85:
Is not about exams but there attitude to work. Nigerian doctors are pompous and Neglect there patients expecially in all this teaching hospitals and Fmcs. When they go abroad, they will behave well.

When I read this, I marvel at Nigerians. How many docs have you interfaced? Can you explain how they were pompous? If if actually those you met were pompous, are you aware there are pompous individuals in every profession? Even some wheelbarrow pushers are pompous. Do you now burst out saying wheelbarrow pushers are pompous?
Why can't Nigerians apply logic in their reasoning?

It doesn't mean the IMGs (International Medical Graduates) are dullards. It simply means we use a different yardstick here. Those IMGs satisfied their foreign trainers who based their assessments on pathologies endemic in their environment, and some management regimen obtained in their climes.
MDCN conduct their exams based on tropical diseases with Nigeria as a case point. Example is Cystic Fibrosis. Its almost impossible to see a Nigerian with this. But its common in the UK etc. So UK trained docs would be quite comfortable managing it. Thus their exams would consist more of such cases. Now look at Sickle Cell Disease. This is endemic in Nigeria and kinda rare in Caucasians. We know how to manage it and thus our exams (and this MDCN assessment) would feature it hugely. A IMG would not know much about it.
I took the exam even though I'm Nigerian trained. Long story

orisa37:
ATHEISTS ARE MYOPIC AND ANTICHRIST.
SATANISTS HAVE INDIRECT RELATIONSHIPS WITH CHRIST.

Another dopehead. Nairaland is crawling with these characters

Maynman:
Lordreed this guy seem to be dtruthspeaker .

Dumbest theist on NL 😂.

Defo him.
Dude can't just help himself

vdestro:
Change of post! Devil. You said you did not ask him and now i have shown you that you lied. LiarReed, the Satan indwelt!

Is this not Dliespeaker?
Nigga now is alt posting
Lol

MightySparrow:
JW organization is an offshoot of Islam founded by Mohammed Taze Russell.


There are similarities in the character of Prophet Mo and Pastor C. T. Russell as expressed by their followers.

Are you saying our dear MadMax is a whole ass headbanger?

MaxInDHouse:
Keep waiting for what you will never get from me, if you have something reasonable call me!
If you like quote me a hundred times i'm not interested in lies!
https://isaddedr.sirv.com/Images/4.gif

...and he pops up and spews an entire pile of trash, just like I predicted. A mountain of evidence is looking at you. Witnesses, confessions, court indictments, many years of news coverage. You didn't even bother to investigate whether they are true or not.
Why are you always predictable?
This JW virus has gotten in too deep

Courz:
I'm doing fine. How are you doing? Been a while as well.

The victim in your post really made bank o. 40 million dollars. Watchtower is capable. They are swimming in Billions after all.

When people like Maxindhouse and Aemmyjah are funding their orgies, what do you expect?

Maynman:
Water is Wet
Best Performing Orgy Organization.

Usually MadMax falls on topics here in religion section like a rash. Notice he has stayed away. But watch him unashamedly come and say rubbish

vdestro:
That is because nigerians do not know the importance of having a good image and keeping their shit from spilling outside whereas, the only way you nigerians can get US shit is when you are in the US. And the US media knows this hence information control is a priority national issue. It is Americans who have a right to know, not you nigerians.

What do you mean by 'good image'? Deceiving the rest of the world that everything is good and fine is good image?
By the way, I just told you that there is media gagging in Nigeria yet to tell me that 'Nigerians spill their shit outside'. Are you sure you can read properly?
And I also told you US media is ubiquitous and disseminate their news globally(which can be verified) yet you tell me the only way in can get US shit is if I'm in the US. Really? Are you doing this on purpose or you have comprehension issue? I asked you a question if you were in the US when you hear about shootings? Or did you hear or read it in the news?
Calm down and read my posts

vdestro:
I did not say that they can not report, i said, you nigerians in nigeria will not hear it.

Lol. This man…
How have you been hearing about the shootings in the US? Were you in the US?
US has many news outlets much more than Nigeria and they have freedom of expression much more than Nigeria. And what's more, these news outlets has electronic outlets, thus effectively making sure any US oriented news is spread worldwide.
Dude you have no case

vdestro:
That is because nigerians do not know the importance of having a good image and keeping their shit from spilling outside whereas, the only way you nigerians can get US shit is when you are in the US. And the US media knows this hence information control is a priority national issue. It is Americans who have a right to know, not you nigerians.

Lol. Stop this nah.
There is no media gagging in the US, unlike what we have in Nigeria. Any media outlet in the US can report any news, even news indicting their presidents and still go scot free. You can't try that in Nigeria. NBC would shut you down. Besides NBC has actually cautioned news outlets in Nigeria to reduce terrorist reportage. The FCC of the US wont say that.
Lol

vdestro:
I am not in the US right now and i do not listen to crime reports if not for you people who make it seem that crime is higher in nigeria whereas, it is known that US has the highest crime and the most shuddering hence their desperate need for crime fighting.

The world is a global village. An American on Nairaland would know about the Benue massacres even before some Nigerians. So we would know exactly what happens in the US from a tiny jungle in Mbaise.
Just accept your gaffe and move on