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SIRTee15:
Before I reply you, I demand you apologize for defamation of character.
Throughout this thread you ve been caught either deliberately hiding information or misquoting statement in order to distort a message.
You are a very dishonest person and not trustworthy.
U were desperate to discredit an information that adds not even a second to your life but ended up embarrassing yourself.
I understand it's not your fault because according to u, it's your destiny to be dishonest and there's nothing u can do about it. But u can redeem your image by apologising when exposed.

SIRTee15:
I didn't bother to reply because they made no sense.
Greenland is a Christian state? Greenland is a autonomous region under Denmark, they run a constitutional monarchy but the executive power is the hand of a secular parliament.
U obviously have no idea what u talking about.

Go and look for my definition of foreknowledge. I already defined, I'm not going to waste my time repeating. If u confused, ask maynman for help.

Word of God is inspired by the holy spirit. Whatever u doing is purely semantics based on different versions of the bible.

Ken4Christ:
It's an undeniable historical facts that no one has been able to refute.

Matthew, Mark Luke and John are the first documented evidence.

The Book of Act is another evidence.

The experience of Paul as written in the book of Acts and his letters are evidences.

If their written records are not true, someone should be able to refute them with evidences but no one has ever done that.

Lastly, I am a living evidence that Jesus is alive because he lives in me. And he has filled me with his Holy Spirit.

SIRTee15:
Using a word in it's own definition is not helpful here.
U failed to define repentance. If u mean remorse or regret- that doesn't cut it.
Repentance in Christianity- sense of guilt, acknowledgement of sin and genuine desire to turn away from sin and embrace God through salvation.

SIRTee15:
He actually wanted to quote me but the spirit of confusion in him misled him to misquote u.
That shows not only is jaephoenix a dishonest human being but also confused and disoriented.
But u know what, he will come here and tell u that it's not his fault because he's destined to be confused and dishonest. He will also claim he was born to be a liar so he can't help it. He's Mr irreversible destiny.

TenQ:
Sorry sir!
You mixed me up with someone else. I am not in the medical or biological sciences, therefore except for mundane things I can't debate anyone on cancer or chemotherapy . I don't even know what SR means and I've not received any treatment

MaxInDHouse:
Face off among those that became friends when they wanted to criticize JWs.
The big show!

SIRTee15:
The problem is you are confused, not only are u dishonest but disoriented. The same way quoted the wrong person is the way u imagined I said something I did not. My God is exposing u for who you are.
Now I will post all our conversation re the cancer case and ask all including your maynman to judge who is the liar.
April 21 12.18pm
jaephoenix:

1. Why does Yahweh use thunder and lightning to speak to people in the bible, but now only speaks personally these days? Why does he appear to people back then but nobody dey see him brake lights these days? Why does he display his might by sending down fire from heaven but these days its a problem?
Now you're using jargons like Rhema which is a term many Christians call different things. With all this rhema have you seen an amputee limb regrow?
2. About your question, I haven't seen any life miracle. And yes also I work in the medical field. I'm a 17 year post housejob physician and yet haven't seen any of the miracle you talk about. Diseases relapse and regress, and it doesn't have any supernatural connotations because it also happens to non-christians and people that don't pray to your god. And also those cancer remissions can also relapse. And we don't know everything about diseases. We are still researching.
Please which specific medical field are you in?
3. We're used to being called foolish because we don't acknowledge your god. Yet the joke is on you grin

[b]How do u know God doesn't use lightning and thunder to communicate his words. Have u spoken to all men of God today to confirm?
Besides in the new covenant we now have the holy spirit in us that constantly communicates. We don't have to wait for rain like sango worshippers b4 hearing from God. That's the privilege we enjoy but absent in the old covenant. The spirit actually has to descend to communicate to the prophets.

I don't need to disclose my field of work.

But explain to me this so called cancer regression in an elderly woman with advanced fungating stage 4 cervical cancer with cachetic body. If u have actually been with someone described above, u will know how badly they smell that they are normally isolated on the ward.
This was a woman I saw few months later and was completely healthy. I didn't even recognise her.
I was using style to ask her daughter who was with her how's her mum because I believed she would have been dead. Only for her to tell me the person I'm asking after is actually the one beside her. To say I was shocked was an understatement.
This happened in Benue state. She was taken to a popular man of God in NIgeria for prayers. My opinion of that man of God changed after that experience.
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April 21 3.06pm
jaephoenix:

[b]1. How do you know Yahweh still interacts with lightning and thunder? Has he been doing such with you?
2. I'm sure you must have seen or heard several people commit all sorts of crimes ranging from fornication or adultery to murder, and then claim they had an unction from the holy spirit to do it. Does your holy spirit authorize such? If you say no, then you're saying that such 'unctions' can be faked.
3. No problem if you don't wanna talk about your work
4. About the stage 4 cervical CA, I have some questions
A. Which hospital was that?
B. Was she on chemo/radio?
C. Was a debulking op done on her?

Let's just go to number 4. The rest are mere speculations from your sides.
Why do you want to know the hospital. Do u know any Nigerian hosp that has successfully managed a stage 4 advanced cervical cancer.

Radio or chemo in benue state for stage 4 cervical cancer. I want to believe u work in a teaching hospital in Nigeria where u people just throw everything at patient anyhow. Someone that's dying, u will be telling the family to pay 100k for ICU, 50k for CT scan, 100k for theatre.
That's not how general or private hospital operates. She was referred anyway but didn't go.

That's what we offered her but when we explained to family it's just to reduce the fungating smell and help with quality of life but not really to cure the cancer, they took her away.

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April 21. 7.29pm
jaephoenix:

1. You said all I said was speculation? How do you know?
2. I know stage 4 CAs falls into palliative care. But they still receive chemo and radio. My question is was she on those treatments before they took her away?

2. Nope.
But common be real. So u expecting chemo and radio to do the magic for a metastatic cancer. It makes them worse if anything. Esp in Nigeria where adjuvant treatment support is poor.
Look here, the woman has received her healing, let's move on.
I can tell u another one I witnessed in uch if u interested. I get them plenty for pocket. MIRACLE IS REAL.


April 22. 8.05am
jaephoenix:

Bro if you have been following my posts, I said remissions happen to everyone, including Muslims, Atheists etc, those that never prayed to Yahweh. So I don't understand what you are pointing at. Its not Yahweh that caused it. I told you that we scientists don't understand everything about these diseases, especially mitotic lesions

Give me evidence of a metastatic fungating cervical cancer that went into full remission, without any form of therapy.
Post the evidence here, I will like to see it.



April 24. 3.19pm
jaephoenix:

Bro, the study of spontaneous remissions in carcinomas has been ongoing for decades. Many physicians worldwide have observed it and there are many well documented cases. It has absolutely no relationship with any religion, race or regions. And definitely not caused by Yahweh. Like I said twice before, there are many things we don't understand about cancers which come to light daily.
I'll post some links about reported cases here.
This is from an Oncology journal
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.annalsofoncology.org/article/S0923-7534(19)63993-1/pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjGycat5L_-AhWNxQIHHTLgCGcQFnoECCUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Ab6t0_He-TofYi8RSWUzo

The pdf reads…
Spontaneous remission of cancer (SR) is defined as a complete
or partial, temporary or permanent disappearance of all or at
least some relevant parameters of a soundly diagnosed malig-
nant disease without any medical treatment or with treatment
that is considered inadequate to produce the resulting regres-
sion. We report the case of a 61-year-old man who presented
with extensive metatastic disease five months after pneumo-
nectomy for poorly differentiated large cell and polymorphic
lung cancer. A vast metastatic tumour mass of the abdominal
wall was confirmed histolologically and there was clinical and
radiographic evidence of liver and lung metastases. Eight
months later, the patient was operated on for a hernia, which
had developed in the inguinal biopsy scar and the surgeon
confirmed complete clinical SR of the abdominal wall metas-
tases. Again five months later there was no
longer any radio-
logic evidence of liver and lung metastases. Complete remis-
sion has persisted more than five years. Histology of the
primary and of the abdominal metastases were reviewed by
several independent pathologists. SR is an
extremly rare event
in lung cancer. This is the first documented case of clinically
evident visceral metastases of a bronchiogenic adenocarci-
noma developing after complete resection of the primary
and then showing complete SR. The epidemiology of SR is
reviewed and possible mechanisms involved in SR are dis-
cussed.

This is another instances
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9402178/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353036355_The_spontaneous_remission_of_cancer_Current_insights_and_therapeutic_significance

https://www.curetoday.com/view/inflammatory-biomarkers-from-lung-cancer-depression-may-predict-survival-outcomes

https://bmcpulmmed.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12890-019-0978-4


All the above from scientific Journals, not hearsays
My point is spontaneous remissions occur whether people pray to your Yahweh or not. Get that



If this is the best u can come up as evidence. Then u may not have managed lots of cancer pxt. That u even have to Google this up is funny, something that's quite common. Metastatic cancer is no longer death sentence compared to 1-2 decades ago.
One of my patient diagnosed of advanced squamous cell cancer of the mandible has now been told he's cancer free.
He had palliative radiotherapy last yr because they couldn't do surgery- tumour was too advance. Now the oncologist had written that he should be removed from cancer register because the cancer is cleared. I can't count cases like above I've encountered.
[b]My own case is a woman who had fungating advanced cancer and it regressed without any treatment. So convenient it disappeared after meeting a man of God.[/b]
Ok let me be lenient. Post me cases of confirmed cancer diagnosis that regressed without treatment. Let's leave metastasis out of it.

April 25. 8.02 am
jaephoenix:

Chemo and radio can be used in palliative care. You need to read up

U are beginning to put words into my mouth. Where did I say they are not used. I said it's not a magic cure at that stage.

Jaephoenix April 25 8.17am
Which atheist did you challenge and that ran away? You talked about a woman getting healed about stage 4 cervical CA and I gave you scientific evidence that many people irrespective of religion, race and nationality have spontaneous carcinomatous remission. Those people did not pray to any yahweh for healing, yet got healed. Is that too much for you to understand?
Spontaneous remission after receiving treatment. undecided
Atheists will do anything to win an argument.

April 25 8.23 am
jaephoenix:

1. Bro, I brought scientifically diagnosed cases from medical journals because anyone can claim anything online (myself included). And that example is better than me saying I know so-so and so person who had spontaneous remission after a late prostate cancer that has metastasized to the lung or liver.
2. And yes lots of people get cured of cancers worldwide, not just in nigeria. Thanks to science and not yahweh.
3. So you're saying your index patient never had a drop of chemo or ray of radio? How was the diagnosis of the late cervical CA made?
Have u actually seen a case of advanced cervical cancer with fungating mass b4? Biopsy is for what u already know which we did anyway.
I already told u she had no chemo, radio or surgery.
Guy u are beginning to sound like those Pharisees in John 9 who were pestering that blind man who was healed by Jesus.
They wouldn't believe the poor guy but still wouldn't let him be.

jaephoenix:

You cleverly avoided using them. Because I have been asking you this question but you haven't been aswering them. If a patient was on those modalities, the chances of remission is high. So where is the miracle? Also the fact people that don't pray to yahweh or people that don't pray at all, still experience remission, then its obvious not a miracle

I will respond to this because it's medical related. Don't spread fallacy here
Chemo or radio for metastatic cancers still carries poor prognosis, remission do happen esp with advancement on therapy but it's not magic cure at that stage.


jaephoenix:

No. The essence of biopsy is to know the specific cervical cancer type which would determine the specific chemo to use. Why are you changing stance? You told me they used chemo and radio.
I have told you several times the causes of that remission. It looks like you don't read my posts

Point to me where I wrote she had chemo and radio.
U sha want her to have treatment by fire by force.
She didn't have treatment, deal with it.

Essence of biopsy is to know specific cancer type? Seriously? Are u a doctor as u claim?
Let me ask u few questions, If u remove a lump from a patient, will u send that lump for Biopsy or not?
If you perform colonoscopy on a patient who presented with rectal bleed. Will u send the parts of the bowel tissue for biopsy or not?


Now when I asked for above, the dishonest person born with a lying destiny screenshot this...
jaephoenix:

Chemo and radio can be used in palliative care. You need to read up

U are beginning to put words into my mouth. Where did I say they are not used. I said it's not a magic cure at that stage.
This was the desperate liar's evidence. When what I was clarifying here was that they do use chemo and radio in palliative cancer care but it's not magic cure at that stage.
I never inferred this re the index lady.

SIRTee15:
See why debating with u is waste of time. U went the whole world to define death but still failed the test.
Death is separation of soul from the body.
Now if u don't agree with above why should I discuss afterlife with u?
Reason why discussing hell or heaven with u guys is waste of time.

SIRTee15:
Why didnt you post the full statement. Why did remove the aspect of treatment. That's dishonesty.
So removing the primary tumour is precaution
They should have left it and declare the woman cancer free then, see attempt to give excuse for act of dishonesty.

SIRTee15:

People, above is what happens when u depart from God and claim u are atheist. The devil builds a throne in your heart and invites his legions to build a workshop. Then they will passing depraved and corrupt thought through your heart.
How can someone say an innocent child that doesn't know her left or right, has no sense of danger already has the spirit of prostitution and armed robbery living in them.
Even a 2 year old knows nothing expect to cry, play, eat and smile at you. But at that age, her mind is already building for her a despicable career in red street light district acording to jaephoenix.
Above is the reason why the Muslim north is in destitute and dragging the rest of the nation backwards.
They believe in this kind of nonsense thinking that Allah has designed the destiny of every child so it's a waste of time training them. They just have babies and once the baby can walk, they throw them to the streets to fend themselves. The parents are not bothered since what will be will be. Of course, this kids become breeding ground for terrorist and bandits, all because of a warped mentality.
Has jaephoenix bothered to test his theory in places like Norway that has lesser crime and Saudi Arabia that has no prostitution? How come Providence forgot to push armed robbers and prostitutes to those countries but we get them plenty for Nigeria.
Even Yoruba culture believes your destiny lies in your hand while ibos believe if u say yes your chi will eventually say yes. But one wannabe fatalist atheist is insisting otherwise.
Pls ignore him, na isokuso. He knows too well that he's saying nonsense.
I'm sure he will give the best to his children so that they will come out well in life. But wants other people's children to became whores or thugs so that he can continue to indulge in his 3some/porn addiction or for political thug when he desires political ambition.
Education, family upbringing and environment plays important role in shaping the future of a child. There's no fixed destiny anywhere.

SIRTee15:
1. Of course I agree with u that freedom mean the same thing in America and Afghanistan.
That's why it took America 4 presidents, thousand of lives mostly young men, wasted trillions of dollars and 20 years to replace Taliban with Taliban all in the name of defining freedom in Afghanistan.
2. Define death, then maybe we can talk. I dont want to waste my time with u anymore.

TenQ:
Of course, birds of the same "father" watching out for each other!
LOL!

So, it pained you that I am revealing things Muslims would rather keep secret!?

Too bad Bro!

All you Atheists on NL are in no match for me: that's why no storm kicks up with respect to you in my teacup! Narrow minded wannabes forming knowledge! SMH!

Most Muslims even in their errors are a thousand times more sincere (only sincerely wrong) than you Atheists. People with narrow knowledge claiming to be gods to themselves!

Maynman:
OLAADEGBU is desperate to defend his religion and Israelite god, yahweh.

I don’t think OLAADEGBU knows what arianism mean, the ignorant theist doesn’t know he is worshipping Tertulian trinity concept.
Like a typical indoctrinated believer he swallows everything his doctrine tells him without thinking.

OLAADEGBU:
Did you know that the popularity of atheism is a modern phenomenon?

The Father of Science, Sir Isaac Newton said, “Atheism is so senseless.” Albert Einstein distanced himself from it, by saying, “In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.”

The Bible gives it just 11 words. It says, “The fool has said in his heart, There is no God.” (Psalm 14:1). Then it repeats those exact words in Psalm 52:1, no doubt to make sure we get the message. Atheism is foolishness—because it believes the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything. It is an intellectual embarrassment.

Ray Comfort.

Source

OLAADEGBU:
See real scientists and what they say about God. Do you still think you're a scientist?

Here is Charles Hard Townes.

Source

OLAADEGBU:
How many lives have you murdered through abortion alone?

Maynman:
What are Apes? Are you dull?
Do you think Apes means monkey?

OLAADEGBU:
Where evolutionists see "common ancestor," we see Common Designer!

Source

OLAADEGBU:
Scientific, did you say?

OLAADEGBU:
With my limited knowledge and my physical senses I have the evidence of God's existence as I have said earlier. When I look at a building, how do I know that there was a builder? I couldn't want a better evidence that there was a builder than to have the building in front of me. I don't even need faith to know that there was a builder. All I need are eyes that can see and a brain that can think.

The same principle applies to the existence of God. When I look at creation, how can I know that there was a Creator? Creation reveals to me that there is a Creator. I couldn't want a better evidence that there is a Creator than to have the creation in front of me. I don't need faith to believe in a Creator, all I need are eyes that can see and a brain that can think.

"For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" (Romans 1:20).

But if I want the builder to do something for me, then I need to have faith in the builder. Likewise God, for

"Without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him" (Hebrews 11:6).

If you need to know more about God you need faith based on His Word and World.

TenQ:
If I remember clearly, I had to correct you on two elementary scientific goofs you made ; yet I cannot argue science. Thank you.

How does the rest of what you wrote relate to me? What in the Bible did I define for you?

SIRTee15:
Sure, better than arguing with you 2. We won't get anywhere with both of u.
Don't post too many at a time, o we can answer properly.

SIRTee15:
U not a honest person and says a lot about u as a doctor u claim. For your info, adding or deliberately withholding information is a serious offence in medical practice.
This is the complete statement....

One month following her diagnosis, and before she had any treatment, both the tumor in her lung and the metastasis to her adrenal gland had shrunk considerably on both a CT scan and a PET scan. (A PET scan is an imaging test which uses radioactive glucose, and allows physicians to get a more accurate assessment of tumor activity than on a CT or MRI alone.) She then underwent surgery for lung cancer and was doing well 14 months later..

SIRTee15:
Before I repeat my definition of above because I'd already done so, Define death.

SIRTee15:
Then no need to continue this discussion because we at dead end now.
Nobody forces anything on anybody. We have our own definition of word.
Our definition of repentance is different from what's in the dictionary. No Christian ever forced our own meaning on secular world.
U are the one guilty of that. That's why I said go and learn from bible critics.
Everyone knows that no Christian ever said the bible is the direct word of God, but u and maynman have been disturbing Christians on this thread demanding we defend every sentence or phrase in the bible word for word. When we offer our explanation, u reject it claiming that's not the word used in the verse as if God spoke English.

I already gave my definition of omniscient and fore knowledge. Check my previous posts...too tired to be searching.
I think we should end this, just answer my questions esp the one re destiny of a new born child, I want to check something.
U are free to use any reference u like to answer my question on destiny....Koran, bible, Oxford dictionary, Wikipedia, book of fatalist atheism or even obatala. All join. just answer the question.

Ken4Christ:
They are not the same. Jesus conquered death. He is alive. And that makes the difference.

SIRTee15:
This is one of the questions I answered early on this thread.

Now the one repeated here is like when the bible say do not grief the holy spirit.
The God knows the end right from the beginning, so he's not surprised when man falls into sin.
However, he's still grieved because God loves us so much that it hurts him when we turn away from him and embrace sin.
God remain faithful to us even when we are faithless to him because he cannot deny himself. 2 Tim 2.13.
He's a forever loving God, thus it hurts when his children disobeys him because that wasn't the original intention.

The one about number going to heaven or hell already answered.
Now answer my own question on the destiny of babies and the link to that case I posted here.
Even though the word there is shrunk I will accept.it because any remission in cancer is a victory- be it partial or complete.
Do above and let's call it a day, no need going in cirles
U guys shouldn't be debating Christians in the first place, u not worth the time.

Now I think I've replied all your

SIRTee15:
This is one of the questions I answered early on this thread.

Now the one repeated here is like when the bible say do not grief the holy spirit.
The God knows the end right from the beginning, so he's not surprised when man falls into sin.
However, he's still grieved because God loves us so much that it hurts him when we turn away from him and embrace sin.
God remain faithful to us even when we are faithless to him because he cannot deny himself. 2 Tim 2.13.
He's a forever loving God, thus it hurts when his children disobeys him because that wasn't the original intention.

The one about number going to heaven or hell already answered.
Now answer my own question on the destiny of babies and the link to that case I posted here.
Even though the word there is shrunk I will accept.it because any remission in cancer is a victory- be it partial or complete.
Do above and let's call it a day, no need going in cirles
U guys shouldn't be debating Christians in the first place, u not worth the time.

Now I think I've replied all your

SIRTee15:
Me I can't find this case in all the links you sent. Where did u lift it..pls send the link so we can all learn.
Though shrunk is different from cure/cleared but I will still give it to u if above is true. Stage 4 cancer is not a joke and any remission is worth celebrating.

SIRTee15:
Go and study him yourself. Stop being lazy.
U asked me for a name of biblical scholar, I gave u. Now u asking me for his work. Which one do u want to do besides quoting Wikipedia and Oxford dictionary?

However here is what he wrote at the end of the nonsense book he wrote.
'To be sure, of all the hundreds of thousands of textual changes found among our manuscripts, most of them are completely insignificant, immaterial, of no real importance for anything other than showing that scribes could not spell or keep focused any better than the rest of us'
Bert Erhman.

SIRTee15:
Maynman wants to use Wikipedia and Oxford dictionary to argue with a doctoral fellow and one of world's leading textual critic.
He will eat u raw.

SIRTee15:
U came to us, we didn't come to u.
If we had come to u to condemn your atheism, we will use your beliefs and understanding of words to argue against u.
Now u came to us to criticise our beliefs but wants to debate at your own terms using your own belief. Does that make sense at all.
This is the reason TenQ said arguing with you guys is a waste of time.
This is also the reason American definition of freedom failed woefully when they tried to export it other countries. Freedom mean different things to different people depending on their cultures and belief.
If u insist definition of a word is static and means the same thing at all time, then u don't even understand the meaning of language.
Your analogy of a car and bird is very stupid.