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chudez0147:
I can't remember the Bible chapter .

Again I ask, did you write JAMB?

chudez0147:
Some things are not made for our understanding

Another regular theist lie.
How do you know some things aren't meant for our understanding? How do you know we don't understand it, in the first place?

chudez0147:
Yes he resurrected. It was a prophesy

Quote a non biblical source

Jahlivesforever:
How can I show you evidence of how your grand father murdered his wife and was banished from the village?

Those who saw him do the crime, talked about it, and wrote it down. You chose not to accept their testimony because you you know your family reputation was founded on murder.

I ask you, set out to proove those who wrote the crime down.

A lot of myth exist, which I'm sure you're aware. How can you decipher them from true stories?

chudez0147:
Because he resurrected

Did you write JAMB?

Odebayo4010:
Go and read Matthew 27 vs27

Quote a non biblical source

Jahlivesforever:
Am happy you have accepted that many newspapers carried it.

Now you shift to whether they copied what they published or not?

Bro. It was oral tradition.

Before it was written.

Carried by one newspaper. The bible

Jahlivesforever:
And you don't have a personal contact with the supreme , because you are only an animal like every other wide or domestic animal.

Enjoy your gift

Tell me, what is the benefit of this 'personal contact' to you?

Jahlivesforever:
2023 BC
2023 AD

Is that one Bible?

Those dating system was started by Roman monks(who are obviously christians) and wasn't used to depict any birth of Jesus. Maybe you can research on them

phemmyfour:
Evidence exist cos I know you don't believe in written evidence

Where are they

Jahlivesforever:
Before it was written, it was an oral tradition.

I believe the story of your village and how your fore father who was banished from his original village and came seeking for refuge in the place you now called your own town is bullshit.

And any book that recorded the story of your forefather banishment (for giving a baby poison )is also bullshit

Are you aware they may be myths? Some people would tell you their great grand fathers used to hunt lions, elephants with bare hands. Or the Yoruba story that Oduduwa(or someone like that, I'm not Yoruba) descended from heaven from a rope. Of course you should believe them

Jahlivesforever:
I challenge you to set out and do a book to disprove that Jesus rose from the death.

That was how I did my own. I don't believe pastors and preachers and I am not too. They misrepresent God many times.

Do a research and assume that he did not rise.

If you have no time for such, you can as well keep your opinion to yourself because it's not clear and personal opinion.

Lol. Typical theist. You said Jesus lived and resurrected. I tell you to show me evidence. You turn around to tell me to prove there’s no evidence. Lol.
Look, he who alleges must provide proof.

Jahlivesforever:
You just chose to Ignore the personal testimonies of thousands of people across the world.

So I don't see openness in your inquiry.

Same way there are personal testimonies of thousands of Muslims, Buddhists, Hinduists etc all claiming their favorite sky daddy is da bomb

Jahlivesforever:
Brother. Bible simply means a collection of different books. A kind of a library of related subject matter.

In your own words, it's the collection of different newspapers that carried the story.

So what is the trouble?

And it was written many years after they supposedly happened.
Do you know the bible was copied? Check out Epic of Gilgamesh

Akwamkpuruamu:
Remember their were Roman soldiers guarding his grave. How could the fearful disciples who were MIA come back to steal his body under the guard of the Fierce Roman soldiers? How did it happen please?

First, prove Jesus actually lived(outside the Bible)

Franking:
If you believe in Christ then you are a Christian. You are blinded by faith. And what is faith? If Jesus resurrection was real you won't have to believe it, you will simply know it. Science journals publish results of experiments not results of belief systems.

The Jesus story is the greatest scam of all times.

A multi trillion dollar scam that has been continued for centuries

TenQ:
1. Evidence from His immediate followers and disciples
2. Reactions of His immediate followers and disciples in face of persecution
3. Evidence of Christ working in ME (or any other Christian) because the believe in Christ

1. Its written in the Bible, whose authenticity is debated.
2. Ditto
3. Same way a Muslim, Hinduist, Buddhist would say their own god works in them. Which all translates to bullshit

abimic:
If you had watched Legend of the Seeker, you would know some things are meant to happen for the prophecy to be fulfilled.

Jesus predicted his death and resurrection.

The Book of Jonah was written about 760 BC. Almost eight centuries before Jesus was born and Jonah predicted Jesus' death, and his resurrection citing a case study of his.

So there was no way Jesus would not have risen.

We need evidence sir

Jahlivesforever:
It's not true. Jesus is a historical figure. You can still go and verify it today. Besides, your date confeses that Jesus is a historical figure. He was born on our world.

We are in 2023. There has been 2023 before.


So we have 2023 BC and 2023 AD

BC and AD is before Jesus Christ and after Jesus Christ.

Simple history should solve your problem if you are sincere.

We use BCE and CE now for dating after we realized the whole Jesus story was a myth

nero2face:
how did u know ur a male or female ?

It can be ascertained anytime anyday

JOemmy:
No arguments about that na if he didn't resurrect where would have pastors and believers gotten the powers to cast out demons and perform miracles today?

Its all an elaborate scam. There's no demons, and of course, no powers

blazepascal:
stop sounding like an atheist

Whats wrong in being an atheist

Jahlivesforever:
Testimony of those who saw him.

You believe that the earth moves round the sun. Have you seen it?

But you believe the testimony of Galileo because he saw.

Besides, just seek personally for your self

A lot of experiments have proved earth rotation(reason why we have day and night) and revolution(reconstructions why we have seasons).
Galileo's experiment is reproducible anywhere in the world, and anytime.
The story of Jesus cannot be reproduced outside the Bible.
If a remarkable event happens today like an eclipse. Do you think only one newspaper would carry it? USE YOUR BRAIN

Jahlivesforever:
Forget what pastors preach.

To investigate any thing , crimes, scientific theories, Christ resurrection, investigate it with open heart.

Just be neutral and seek.

Can you point us to the evidence?

Inteltower:
dear turn on to Christ and not to this world and its problems
its not a fictional story
man has a problem and no doctor, govt, parents can solve only Christ

if we ignore the problem called sin we are living a delusional life

Who brought the concept of sin? Religion. If there's no religion, would there be sin?

Jahlivesforever:
The same way you know your land in the village.

People who saw your forefather cultivated it., And through their testimonies it was handed over to you.

Jesus was seen after his resurrection by his friends, and about 500 persons saw him.

They gave testimony that he is alive.

Those who doubted with open hearts like Thomas, and myself and some others today, saw him.


He proves his live till tomorrow, it doesn't require faith. It requires sincere seeking with open heart.


Now when he rose, a lot of people were giving testimony of it that emperor Thoephilus contracted a journalist called Luke to investigate the story or face death penalty if he tries to decieve the government.

Luke 1:3-4
[3]It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
[4]That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Which books aside from the Bible gave credence to the existence of Jesus? Or his divinity?

omojeesu:
*Evidence that demands a verdict*:

1. *The OT predicted* His incarnation, birth, life & ministry, *arrest, mockings, torture, execution, resurrection & ascension*. They are *many, over 300* of them. However, the *source* of them is *Genesis 3:15* - And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; *it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel*.

2. *Jesus predicted His own death & resurrection*

Mark
10:32 And they were in the way *going up to Jerusalem*; and Jesus went before them: and they were amazed; and as they followed, they were afraid. And he took again the twelve, and *began to tell them what things should happen unto him*,

10:33 Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and _the Son of man_ *shall be delivered* unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and *they shall condemn him to death*, and *shall deliver him to the Gentiles*:

10:34 And *they shall mock him*, and shall *scourge him*, and shall *spit upon him*, and shall *kill him*: and *the third day he shall rise again*.

3. *Fulfilments*

a) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, *he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost* - John 19:30

b) Mark
16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: *Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here*: behold the place where they laid him.

16:7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that *he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you*.

c) Mark
16:9 Now *when Jesus was risen* early the first day of the week, *he appeared first to Mary Magdalene*, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

16:12 *After that* he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

16:14 *Afterward* he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and *upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen*.

d) *The testimony of Apostle Paul*

1 Corinthians
15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that *Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures*;

15:4 And that he was *buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures*:

15:5 And that he was *seen* of Cephas, then of the twelve:

15:6 *After that*, he was *seen of above five hundred brethren at once*; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

15:7 *After that*, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

15:8 And *last of all he was seen of me also*, as of one born out of due time.

e) *Revelation Declaration by Jesus*

Revelation
1:12 And *I turned to see the voice that spake with me*. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

1:13 And *in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man*, *clothed* with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a *golden girdle*.

1:14 His *head and his hairs* were white like wool, as white as snow; and his *eyes* were as a flame of fire;

1:15 And his *feet* like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his *voice* as the sound of many waters.

1:16 And he had in his right *hand* seven stars: and out of his *mouth* went a sharp twoedged sword: and his *countenance* was as the sun shineth in his strength.

1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, *Fear not; I am the first and the last*:

1:18 I am *he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore*, Amen; and *have the keys of hell and of death*.

4. *The Call! The Invitation*

Jesus said unto her, *I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live*: - John 11:25

5. Finally, *have you received Jesus into your life? If you have not, please do so today! He loves you! I do too!*

Fairy tales

Sergio101:



Glory to Almighty God.

There's a great joy in being with Christ.

Nairalanders........2021, i was to the point of becoming an atheist. What's the reason......I kept using logic in everything termed spiritual.

Kept questioning many things about existence of God, relating it to science and arriving at 0 after everything.

It brought many calamities to me. Happiness varnished.

But today.......I give Glory to God

Please praise and worship Lord God with your whole heart and avoid linking it with logic.

Just believe. Happiness varnishes when you try to figure out some things beyond you

Good for you. I'm an atheist and never been happier. I guess atheism aint for everyone

siofra:
How do we know he resurrected?

No. Question is how do we know he actually existed

MaxInDHouse:
Amalekites dealt treasonously with Israelites so they deserve to die!

Can I see the bible verse where they did that?

oteneaaron:
Hey bro, here are some sources you can look into that support most of the info the OP has been sharing.

1. For more information about the true age of the Syphinx and an indepth analysis of the ancient temple of Luxor, kindly read this book by famed egyptologist John Anthony West titled - Serpent In The Sky - The high wisdom of ancient Egypt.


2. To learn more about the Sumerian and Mesopotamian Lore, kindly read this book by George Smith titled - The Chaldean Account of Genesis.


3. To learn more about what are called Out Out Place artifacts or OOP arts, read this book by Micheal Cremo and Richard L. Thompson titled - Forbidden Archeology - The Hidden History of the Human Race.

4. To learn more about the Dogon in Mali and their accurate information about the Sirius star system, read this book by Richard K. G. Temple titled - The Sirius Mystery

I have more books to recommend, but I guess you can start with the ones I mentioned above.

Cheers!

Listen. I'm not disputing all of what the OP is saying. I even know more of those scientific aberrations than him. My point is that they attacked me for copying and pasting without dropping my source, when in fact that is what the OP does.

Ourtruth247:
This is just a warm up to my arguments. I am just scratching the surface. There is still more to share.

Oga copy and paste, where are your sources